marilo: urgent reincoporation

[marilo]

33-year-old woman with a family and a 16-year-old child, a family practically destroyedp, nobody understands this here in Spain, much less they can't help me. I need urgent help with withdrawal symptoms for 6 months. I should have come much earlier if I had done it in summer. Perhaps it would have saved me from all this, I know that reincorporation will not be possible since I stopped taking the medication very quickly, not just one but a cocktail that they sent me. 2 months without being informed by the doctor antidepressants for a few months paroxetine 9 years with a reduction of 9 months dividing the rivotril for 9 months reduction in 3 months they took me to my health center but they did not help me detoxify myself from it pill into quarters and I had to return due to withdrawal syndrome now I have the same problem but it is aggravated by having stopped fluoxetine from 10 to 5 mg in 2  months and I stopped without realizing it and without knowing how dangerous it could be, I killed myself and now I'm very scared I want to know if there is any possibility possibility of saving myself from this since I can practically eat nothing or live with all the serious symptoms. I had adverse symptoms with fluoxetine that I took for 3 years and it is with which I have the problem, such as food allergies, liver disorders, since I did liver tests and it came out. altered but I left it for 6 months and then came back last time they sent me brintellix 5 mg two months ago but without realizing the months passed and I already had the withdrawal syndrome and it was hurting me. Is there any possibility of reintroducing that medication in liquid form if I Fluoxetine will no longer work please I need to save myself from this in some way and get ahead help my case is the most extreme from what I see since it is very serious and people who are serious and end up saving themselves from all this poison I know that the adverse effects can be serious, but I don't care. I would get the fluid from an emergency psychiatrist. If this psychiatrist prescribed it, it would take longer.

Edited November 26, 2022 by marilo
Urgent

[marilo]

6 hours ago, marilo said:

33-year-old woman with a family and a 16-year-old child, a family practically destroyedp, nonullbody understands this here in Spain, much less they can't help me. I need urgent help with withdrawal symptoms for 6 months. I should have come much earlier if I had done it in summer. Perhaps it would have saved me from all this, I know that reincorporation will not be possible since I stopped taking the medication very quickly, not just one but a cocktail that they sent me. 2 months without being informed by the doctor antidepressants for a few months paroxetine 9 years with a reduction of 9 months dividing the rivotril for 9 months reduction in 3 

 

6 hours ago, marilo said:

33-year-old woman with a family and a 16-year-old child, a family practically destroyedp, nobody understands this here in Spain, much less they can't help me. I need urgent help with withdrawal symptoms for 6 months. I should have come much earlier if I had done it in summer. Perhaps it would have saved me from all this, I know that reincorporation will not be possible since I stopped taking the medication very quickly, not just one but a cocktail that they sent me. 2 months without being informed by the doctor antidepressants for a few months paroxetine 9 years with a reduction of 9 months dividing the rivotril for 9 months reduction in 3 months they took me to my health center but they did not help me detoxify myself from it pill into quarters and I had to return due to withdrawal syndrome now I have the same problem but it is aggravated by having stopped fluoxetine from 10 to 5 mg in 2  months and I stopped without realizing it and without knowing how dangerous it could be, I killed myself and now I'm very scared I want to know if there is any possibility possibility of saving myself from this since I can practically eat nothing or live with all the serious symptoms. I had adverse symptoms with fluoxetine that I took for 3 years and it is with which I have the problem, such as food allergies, liver disorders, since I did liver tests and it came out. altered but I left it for 6 months and then came back last time they sent me brintellix 5 mg two months ago but without realizing the months passed and I already had the withdrawal syndrome and it was hurting me. Is there any possibility of reintroducing that medication in liquid form if I Fluoxetine will no longer work please I need to save myself from this in some way and get ahead help my case is the most extreme from what I see since it is very serious and people who are and end up saving themselves from all this poison I know that the adverse effects can be 

[marilo]

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[manymoretodays]

Hi there marilo and welcome aboard,

We are simply not set up for urgent care.  However, we'd be more than happy to look at your case, and help provide support, and suggests/advice, once we have gotten to know you a bit more.

So welcome again.

I see that rivitrol is clonazepam.  Is this correct? 

And I see that you are 6 months off all your drugs now.  '

And I think you are not wanting to consider remedication.........is that what you mean by reincorporation?

 

And marilo, you have not "killed yourself", and there is hope, so please........take a deep breathe in now, hold it for a count of 7, and then slowly breathe out again for 8 seconds.  Repeat.  In for 4 seconds.  Hold for 7.  Out for 8. 

 

We are based in the U.S. and staffed by volunteers who are tapering, or have been through the WD(withdrawal) process, and/or are still going through it.  We are not medical professionals, just lay people who have also had to find our way through.

 

We do need you to help us out a little and organize your medication history, especially the most recent history of medications.  This is how you can do that:

How to Summarize Your Drug History in Your Signature(just click on the underlined passage, and that will take you to the topic.  if need be, scroll up to the first post)  All the information and instructions are ^.  So then you just look at your first post, and try to come up with years, months, dates, and then put in your drug history with drugs by full name and dose.

 

And marilo, I am so sorry for what you have been through, and are going through now.  You've come to the right place.  We get it.  And you will get better, improve.  Just know that and hold on tight now to that hope.

 

And okay.  As far as reinstating.  Here is our topic:

About reinstating and stabilizing to reduce withdrawal symptoms

What is last drug you came off of Najla?  And yes, it's possible a small reinstatement might help now to take the edge off some of your symptoms.  We reinstate small, usually just in 1-5 mg doses, and it really depends on what drug you last came off of, and how long ago that was too.

So......try to do a signature.  If that is too tough right now then just try to make a list of your drugs and dates that you remember using them and put that into a reply right here.

 

I am going to stop this reply now.  I will add in a second reply to you next with more information, so you can look at it and understand what is happening with your nervous system now.  Again, so sorry for what happened and I agree with you.  I think your first WD(withdrawal) or too fast taper from paroxetine, and also the rivitrol........may have set off a whole series of WD events, and that you have been really suffering ever since.

 

Meantime, I do want you to look at this:
For those who are feeling desperate or suicidal

Please read the first post there.

 

Most all of us have had to learn to cope with many non-drug coping practices to get through to the other side or feeling better.  We can help you learn some of those too in time.

 

Welcome again.  Best.  Love, peace, healing, and growth,

manymoretodays(mmt)

and thank you marilo for your patience.  Sending hugs and comfort.

 

 

 

 

[manymoretodays]

General information on tapering:

 

Here at Surviving Antidepressants, it is recommended that a person taper by no more than 10% of their current dose with at least a four week hold in-between decreases.  The 10% taper recommendation is a harm reduction approach to going off psychiatric drugs.

Why taper by 10% of my dosage?

 

You mentioned or asked about reinstatement with these 2 drugs I believe.  So I am including these topics on tapering, as they also contain information on how to get the small dose needed for a harm reduction reinstatment:

 

Tips for tapering vortioxetine/Trintellix/Brintellix

Tips for tapering off Prozac(fluoxetine)

 

 

About reinstating and stabilizing to reduce withdrawal symptoms

and again, as you might consider this it sounds like.  Just be aware that although it may help take the edge of symptoms, it is unlikely to totally cure you of all WD.  Which is so unfortunate.  Most of us, are similar marilo, we did not recognize our WD immediately either.  Nor did our prescribing doctors.

 

What happens when we go off drugs/medications:

 

Brain Remodelling

What is withdrawal syndrome.

 

Healing patterns:

The Windows and Waves Pattern of Stabilization

In the past 6 months have you had any healing?  Good days?

 

Dr.Glenmullen’s withdrawal symptom list.

Look at the downloadable PDF.

 

When we take medications, the CNS (central nervous system) responds by making changes over the months and years we take the drug(s). When the medication is discontinued, the CNS has to undo all the changes it made.  The CNS likes stability. Rebuilding the neurotransmitter production and reactivating the receptor and transporter cells takes time -- during that rebuilding process symptoms occur. And sleep is really important during withdrawal. 

 

We don't recommend a lot of supplements on SA, as many members report being sensitive to them due to our over-reactive nervous systems, but two supplements that we do recommend are magnesium and omega 3 (fish oil). Many people find these to be calming to the nervous system.  

Magnesium, nature's calcium channel blocker 

Omega-3 fatty acids (fish oil) 

 

Do not however make more than one change at any time.  That can make it difficult to know what is doing what.  Also start low, go slow when adding anything new.

The rule of 3KI's

 

Okay, I know this is a lot.  It will be here though now, on your page, your Introduction.

This is your introduction/journal page where you have now introduced yourself to the community, you can ask questions here regarding your case, communicate with us, give updates, and keep a record of your journey.

 

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

[marilo]

On 11/26/2022 at 12:02 PM, marilo said:

33-year-old woman with a family and a 16-year-old child, a family practically destroyedp, nobody understands this here in Spain, much less they can't help me. I need urgent help with withdrawal symptoms for 6 months. I should have come much earlier if I had done it in summer. Perhaps it would have saved me from all this, I know that reincorporation will not be possible since I stopped taking the medication very quickly, not just one but a cocktail that they sent me. 2 months without being informed by the doctor antidepressants for a few months paroxetine 9 years with a reduction of 9 months dividing the rivotril for 9 months reduction in 3 months they took me to my health center but they did not help me detoxify myself from it pill into quarters and I had to return due to withdrawal syndrome now I have the same problem but it is aggravated by having stopped fluoxetine from 10 to 5 mg in 2  months and I stopped without realizing it and without knowing how dangerous it could be, I killed myself and now I'm very scared I want to know if there is any possibility possibility of saving myself from this since I can practically eat nothing or live with all the serious symptoms. I had adverse symptoms with fluoxetine that I took for 3 years and it is with which I have the problem, such as food allergies, liver disorders, since I did liver tests and it came out. altered but I left it for 6 months and then came back last time they sent me brintellix 5 mg two months ago but without realizing the months passed and I already had the withdrawal syndrome and it was hurting me. Is there any possibility of reintroducing that medication in liquid form if I Fluoxetine will no longer work please I need to save myself from this in some way and get ahead help my case is the most extreme from what I see since it is very serious and people who are serious and end up saving themselves from all this poison I know that the adverse effects can be serious, but I don't care. I would get the fluid from an emergency psychiatrist. If this psychiatrist prescribed it, it would take longer.

 

[marilo]

I don't think I explained well the last one I stopped was fluoxetine too quickly in 2 months since the psychiatrist sent it to me in liquid and was not willing to help me paroxetine was taken for 9 years and I left it dividing the pills plus other cocktails into quarters of anxiolytic medications at the same time that I was taking antidepressants and my system has become sensitized so much that I am seriously ill in a hellish way and everything attacks me. I cannot eat anything nor can I live and it also affects me hormonally today I resumed contraceptives and I felt terrible, I don't know if I They hurt more. I let time go by and now I am in this danger and torture. If I had realized it, I would have come here immediately and my life would have been destroyed. I would be living normally, but I don't understand why I didn't really realize what was happening to me and I already It happened when I got off paroxetine several times and changed to others I would like to restore fluoxetine if possible please I can't live like this damaged for years but 6 months have passed if not It would work because I took fluoxetine several times for 3 years, I took it for 6 months and left it and during that time I did not continue it well apart from adverse effects such as food intolerance and it affected my liver due to some tests I did last year and rivotril the I took it for 9 months and left it at 3 and I don't know if I will really continue with withdrawal syndrome after 2 years but I think it is from not having stopped everything correctly and quickly and not having followed the continuous medication, I greatly regret it since I could having continued well with paroxetine and stable despite its effects I prefer it a thousand times over to being dead in life I do not understand why I left it if it were not possible to restore fluoxetine because it does not work it could be long-acting brintellix or another instead in liquid form what What's going on, recently the doctor sent me Brintellix and it hurt me. I was taking 5 mg, please. I'm very scared that this won't work. I'm young, 33, with a 16-year-old son, and if I resist, it's because of him, despite Star from being with a poison in my body. I think you saw that I reduced from 10 to 5 mg in 2 months and I alternated it two days if not one that would also hurt me, such a radical change when I should have kept it longer despite the effects What can I do? I would go for a brintellix fluoxetine liquid or another medication in the emergency room or to my GP if it could be please I don't want to die help me now I'll put my signature.

[manymoretodays]

Okay.  You'll have to help me out with a time frame, if you are not having good luck doing your signature.

 

I'll try to help, and will put prompts, or questions in lavender:

Year or years, starting year to ending year of usage- Paroxetine dosage, if recalled, quartered pills to reduce and then off

Year or years, starting year to ending year of usage- rivitrol and dosage if recalled, any other anxiolytic medications by name

Year or years, starting year to ending year of usage- include the month if in the last year- Fluoxetine(Prozac)doses tried, okay and was this what you reduced from 10 mg to 5 mg, and then alternated doses every 2 days then quit??

Then the same with Brintellix, year, month tried, 5 mg tried and it hurt

 

Are you taking any drugs now?  If so, what by name, dosage, and how long?

 

Some of this communication difficulty is likely language.  And some is perhaps due to your WD(withdrawal) symptoms at present.  As is the heightened anxiety and fears.  We see this often.

 

If you would like to try a reinstatement of fluoxetine liquid now, and I might try that if I was you.  I would only try a very small amount.  I might start with just a 0.5 mg dose of fluoxetine(Prozac) taken at the same time each day.

• Often a very low dose will relieve withdrawal symptoms. If, for example, you were taking 20mg Paxil and quit rapidly or cold-turkeyed only a few days ago, 5mg may be enough. After trying the lower dose for a week, you can always increase if you feel you need more. If you've been off the drug longer, your nervous system may be sensitized and it may be wiser to try a sample dose, such as 0.5mg-1mg, to see how you react.
• Avoid kindling, start low to see what you need. You can always increase if necessary. If you've been off the drug for a month or more, many people can find some relief from withdrawal symptoms by reinstating as little as 0.5mg-1mg for 20mg citalopram, for example. Do not start at a high dose, your nervous system may be sensitized by withdrawal and you may your symptoms much worse, which is called kindling -- see a fuller explanation below.

( ^ from topic:  About reinstating and stabilizing to reduce withdrawal symptoms  It's in the first post of topic)

I'll include the topic:  Hypersensitivity and Kindling  as you will see, and understand better if you can translate this okay, just why we have you start so low.  And it does sound like you might have reacted to the Brintellix.......so I would not reinstate with a higher dosage of the fluoxetine now.  If you reinstate, then please keep/make some observations.  On paper.  Day started. Time you are taking the drug.  Drug name and dose.  And then keep observing and noting things down throughout the day to the right of the times.  This helps.  And will help you remain objective.  Don't panic.

 

And, if the reinstatement helps, even a little bit, then you will have much less to taper from later.

Once a reinstatement helps, then you stay put with that dose until such a time that you have achieved enough stability to feel comfortable enough reducing again.  And then the reductions would follow the 10% rule of tapering too, at that point.  It can often be several months before you might want to taper again.

 

Tips for tapering off Prozac(fluoxetine)

Again, here is where ^ you'll find out how to get a dosage of just 0.5 mg of Prozac

 

So sorry, again, that you have been and are struggling so very much right now.  You are not alone with that.  Not here.

 

More about:  Stability  and then what to expect in the way of healing now.

And then this whole topic will be helpful to you, at some point.  I do realize you are just barely toughing it out right now.

Are We There Yet? How Long Is Withdrawal Going to Take?

 

Also:  Techniques for Managing an Adverse Reaction or Cold Turkey Withdrawal

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

Dealing With Emotional Spirals

 

And do, if the links to topics take you to the last page in topic.......scroll back and start at the first post in any topic.

 

Okay marilo, and please do keep us updated.  Thank you.

 

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

Edited November 27, 2022 by manymoretodays
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[marilo]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fluoxetine is the one that I stopped for 6 months and I quickly reduced it from 10 to 5 for 2 months, skipping doses in the last month but I have had adverse effects and I made a lot of changes with the medicines, I changed the dose, I did not continue them between paroxetine, it is the first one I have taken In 2012, that's why I don't know if the restoration works, a private psychiatrist 3 months ago gave me brintellix 5 mg and it hurt me, so I don't know if it would be better if I used that in low doses in liquid, but I don't know if my doctor prescribed it for me, I would have to Does your GP prescribe it? or emergency? The last psychiatrist and I'm not sure if this works either my symptoms are all those described secondary to the medicine Panic fear neuroemotions akathisia anxiety nerves intolerance to noise light suicide high cortisol anger hopeless lack of motivation depression hypomania psychosis lack of expression headache pain nerves dizziness adrenaline chemical sensation apathy lack of emotions crying hypochondriac without appetite etc I improve late at night and worsen during the day it stays I have more terrible days than good days very few 3 or 4 how it improves late at night and it intensifies with the food everything makes me feel bad Even the proteins like meat, fish, my stomach bloated, a lot of gas, I only eat lettuce, eggs, carrots, and I don't get anything else, whole milk, yogurt, neither does it suit me well, nor does bread, most of the vegetables, like tomato and chamomile, sometimes I like others, not fruits, like bananas. apple citrus legumbres

Most foods make me feel bad. I don't know how to live like this. My life is destroyed. I'm not normal. I'm in a vegetative state and my family suffers but they don't understand it. I feel very guilty for all this and sorry.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited November 28, 2022 by marilo

[marilo]

I think it is difficult to communicate through language. I have to put my medication history since the first one I took in 2012-2019 was paroxetine in 9 years and I reduced it in 9 months, I divided it into quarters as best I could in those same years, I took orfidal and lorazepam during all those years without reduction only for 2 months then they changed me to velanfaxine 75 for a few months 4 I think I had a panic reaction and psychosis I left it I don't remember the exact dates I think 2019 but in total I took medication for 11 years then citalopram by a doctor bedside 3 weeks after paroxetine years ago and I didn't like it I had diarrhea and weird for 3 weeks and I stopped but I always came back with paroxetine I shouldn't have left it now I suffer the consequences of this hell the problem right now is the reduction of fluoxetine that I took it for 3 years and I did it in 2 months from April to the end of May from 10 to 5 mg alternating doses I was not aware of it and a doctor who sent it to me did not help me at all now I have been 6 months Since then, I don't know if it would work because, as I told you, I had food intolerances and my liver was affected by some tests that I did last year and I don't know if reincorporation would work, the truth being with fluoxetine, because with this cold turkey I changed the dose a lot, I went out between medications and withdrawal syndrome brintellix 5 mg and doperidone to sleep I took 3 months ago by a psychiatrist to suppress fluoxetine withdrawal but it did me more harm than good the symptoms were there after 5 months I was only on each medication for 11 days and I Let it go because I can't fix anything please I need help it's a very complicated situation mine I can't live like this there is a way to rejoin with less dose of brintellix or any antidepressant I know it will be difficult for it to work after time but I want to try anyway I have to go to prescribe it to me if it could be the family doctor the private psychiatrist I don't know how long the family doctor can take I don't know if he can send me the liquid I would have to consult him or else the only option would be for emergencies. I don't know if he understood my case better now. I think I did not explain myself well because it is difficult for me. I await your response.
 

[marilo]

The fluoxetine stopped working after 2 years, it had no antidepressant effects but it should have reduced more slowly and now I'm dead because I don't think I'll survive this I shouldn't have waited so long now it's too late and my life is in danger

[marilo]

On 11/26/2022 at 12:02 PM, marilo said:

 

 

[marilo]

On 11/26/2022 at 12:02 PM, marilo said:

Even if I made a change to brintellix, the same thing wouldn't work due to time and changes because it wouldn't be the original.

 

[marilo]

On 11/26/2022 at 12:02 PM, marilo said:

Is there a way for brintellix  to work in liquid in 6 months or do I have to suffer the torment for life it doesn't matter if I have serious symptoms more serious than these I don't think so that it is worse than hell in life

 

[manymoretodays]

Hi there marilo,

Did you know that we are not really a site that promotes re-medication?

We can help you with a small re-instatement, to see if that will help with some of your current WD symptoms.

I do want to be clear about that now.

 

And my best insight, or advice to you now........was that if it was me, that I might consider a small re-instatement of Prozac.  You had stated that Brintellix "hurt" you, and so if it was me, I would not try Brintellix again.

 

Have you had a chance to read and absorb, and think about the topics that I gave you?  Ultimately, I cannot decide for you what to do.  And you are sounding more like you really think that you have something other than WD going on now, and really want to just get re- medicated(or drugged) again.

 

Again, if you need emergency help right now, you need to find that on the ground or where you are at.

 

I can't keep giving you advice, and topics to look at if you keep changing course, or changing your mind, and going into complete desperation.  Is there anyone there or someone you can find to help you look at information now?  Maybe that would help.

 

Is there anyway you can re-format the posts that come through that need scrolling to read?

 

I am going to sign off this reply and piece together some of your recent posts now, and then will reply again.

 

Okay. 

 

Just a list would be so nice.  Of your drug history.  I do see multiple narratives written without any spacing, with a bit more information......and will do my best to piece them together now.  Meantime you might try and help with that too.  For your own benefit, as well as to help us out in helping you.

The signature saves you from endless repetition of your drug history and story. 

 

23 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

Okay.  You'll have to help me out with a time frame, if you are not having good luck doing your signature.

 

I'll try to help, and will put prompts, or questions in lavender:

Year or years, starting year to ending year of usage- Paroxetine dosage, if recalled, quartered pills to reduce and then off

Year or years, starting year to ending year of usage- rivitrol and dosage if recalled, any other anxiolytic medications by name

Year or years, starting year to ending year of usage- include the month if in the last year- Fluoxetine(Prozac)doses tried, okay and was this what you reduced from 10 mg to 5 mg, and then alternated doses every 2 days then quit??

Then the same with Brintellix, year, month tried, 5 mg tried and it hurt

 

Are you taking any drugs now?  If so, what by name, dosage, and how long?

 

A list, like the above.  Thank you.  Meantime, I don't have much time today and I'm sorry.  I'll do what I can with extracting information from your posts to help you get it into a signature format.

How to Summarize Your Drug History in Your Signature

And I'll take out what you need to see, read, and then do from that topic now:

Putting a SHORT version of your recent history of reducing or discontinuing drugs in your signature helps people understand your context when they read your posts.

 

Your signature appears under all your posts. To add or edit your signature, click on Account Settings in the menu that drops down from your name in the upper right of every page.

 

This link should go directly to your own signature. Account Settings – Create or Edit a signature

 

Remember to Save after entering the text in the box:

 

The staff needs this information to answer your questions. In your signature, we need to see

- Exactly what drugs you're taking now (not just psychiatric drugs), with dosages and when you started each drug

- What you were taking before, with dosages and start and stop dates

 

As the signature is limited to 12 lines, we expect you to condense your drug history. The last few years usually will do.

 

FOR READABILITY, SHORT LINES ARE BEST.

• A list is easier to understand than one or multiple paragraphs
• Include ALL drugs, doses, and dates (starting and stopping)
• Any drugs prior to 24 months ago can just be listed with start and stop years
• Use actual dates or approximate dates (e.g. mid-June 2018) rather than relative time frames (e.g. 3 months ago)
• Spell out months (e.g. "January" or "Jan" as 9/1/2016 can be interpreted as 9 Jan 2016 or 1 Sept 2016)
• Please leave out symptoms and diagnoses

 

Example:

2001–2002 paroxetine 
2003  citalopram 
2004  paroxetine
2008  paroxetine slow taper down to 2016 Aug off paroxetine
2016  citalopram May 20mg  Oct slow taper down
2018  citalopram 13 Feb 4.6mg 15 Mar 4.4mg 29 Apr 4.2mg

 

If you edit your signature, the new one replaces any prior signature. It will appear in your signature under all your posts, even your old posts. If you want to save the information in the old signature, copy it and save it in a file on your computer or in a post in your Introductions topic.

 

(As of 12/31/13: Signatures are limited to 12 lines of text.)

How to add or edit your signature

1. Click on this link to open the correct page in User Settings:
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   2017-June 12 update: link works on desktop, tablet and mobile phone versions
    
2. Enter your signature in the space provided.
3. When you are done, Click on the big black Save button at the bottom.

Hope you are faring well enough today, as we say.  I will respond again in the next half hour or so.

Edited November 28, 2022 by manymoretodays
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[manymoretodays]

Hi again,  There is another member posting in the same way you are and I wonder if you could post from a PC desktop computer if that would solve the problem??

I can read the entirety of your posts from my android phone device, but cannot reply well from that.  So I generally moderate and post here from a PC desktop.  And.  I have to scroll through everything when I do.

Anyway, I'm piecing your responses together now, and will respond again shortly.

[manymoretodays]

No need to further report any posts of yours marilo.  We've got you in the que now, for additional staff input.

[manymoretodays]

You got the signature in it's place but it is in Spanish and from my desktop PC needs to be scrolled.

From my android it appears in one piece though.

We're making progress.

Keep trying.

Post from a desktop computer if you can, when you can.

That's the best I can come up with for a solution.

Meantime, I'll translate if you don't beat me to it, and get it posted correctly, from my desktop, before I need to get to my other responsibilities today.

[manymoretodays]

Meantime.

In response to some of your narratives.

About how to get a prescription for a reinstatement(mini dose, small, small dose)

How to talk to a doctor about tapering and withdrawal? What to expect?

Most any doctor can prescribe these drugs now.  You might just say you wish to try Prozac again.  There are many ways to get the dose you need from Prozac.  Tell the doctor you just want to start very low.  If they are not familiar with tapering and WD, you may not be able to explain it all to them now.  And you might not wish to yet. 

 

Same with Brintellix.  I have never had anyone reinstate with Brintellix.  It does come in small dosages though, and possibly comes in a liquid in your country.  IF....this is what you want to reinstate with, you'll have to review the topic on Brintellix, and then find out what is available from a pharmacist/medication dispensary in your area.  Again, you would try just a small amount.  1 mg maximum, and then keep notes on paper, an objective look daily. 

 

With either, you take the same amount, at the same time of day.  Keep notes.  If worsening you stop.

 

[manymoretodays]

2012-2019Paroxetine 20 mg 9 years quit in 9 months 3/4 2/4 1/4

lorazepam 9 years quit in 2 months

orfidal 1 mg 2 months for 9 years

fluoxetine 3 years, cut doses in half, then skipped days, then off

brintellix 10 mg 10 days

doperidone 10 days

citalopram 3 weeks

rivotril 9 months and quit in 3 months 2020  

 

 

Have you tried DeepL Translate for translation marilo?

That what got me to the above.

Have you taken any drugs since 2020?

Are you presently taking any drugs?

What drug did you last take, if taking no drugs now, and when did you take it?

 

We don't ever recommend skipping doses when tapering, just for your information now:

NEVER SKIP DOSES TO TAPER

 

I will go and add the English translation to your signature now.

And know that I do appreciate your patience and good tries to relate information.  Bear with me, us.  As I/we get clearer on you and your case and work through the language difficulties too.

marilo, I just need to reassure you again, that things do always get better, and even you can and will improve.  Your language often sounds so desperate to me, right now, and so........do know that I only want the best for you. 

Other staff or members may stop by now, and maybe someone who can understand in your language too.  That would be great.

Hang in and on.  I hope today goes well enough.

 

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

 

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[marilo]

El 28/11/2022 a las 23:27, manymoretodays dijo:

2012-2019 Paroxetina 20 mg 9 años dejar de fumar en 9 meses 3/4 2/4 1/4

lorazepam 9 años dejar de fumar en 2 meses

orfidal 1 mg 2 meses durante 9 años

fluoxetina 3 años, reducir las dosis a la mitad, luego omitir días, luego suspender

brintellix 10 mg 10 días

doperidona 10 dias

citalopram 3 semanas

rivotril 9 meses y dejar de fumar en 3 meses 2020  

 

 

¿Has probado DeepL Translate para traducir marilo?

Eso es lo que me llevó a lo anterior.

¿Has tomado alguna droga desde 2020?

Has tomado alguna droga desde 2020?

¿Qué droga tomó por última vez, si no toma drogas ahora, y cuándo la tomó?

 

Nunca recomendamos saltarse dosis cuando se está disminuyendo, solo para su información ahora:

NUNCA OMITIR DOSIS PARA DISMINUIR

 

Iré y agregaré la traducción al inglés a su firma ahora.

Y sepa que aprecio su paciencia y sus buenos intentos de relacionar la información. Ten paciencia conmigo, nosotros. A medida que yo/nosotros seamos más claros sobre usted y su caso y también resolvamos las dificultades del idioma.

marilo, solo necesito asegurarte nuevamente, que las cosas siempre mejoran, e incluso tú puedes y mejorarás. Su lenguaje a menudo me suena tan desesperado, en este momento, y así que... sepa que solo quiero lo mejor para usted. 

Otros miembros del personal o miembros pueden pasar ahora, y tal vez alguien que también pueda entender su idioma. Eso seria genial.

Aguanta y sigue. Espero que hoy vaya lo suficientemente bien.

 

L, P, H y G,

Mmt

 

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Are you currently taking any drugs

 

[marilo]

 

What drug did you last take, if not taking drugs now, and when did you take it?

rivotril in 2021 I currently do not take anything

 

I don't think that reincorporation after dose changes and alternating doses will work my life is destroyed I can't even eat really bad stomach pain and I'm going to die from what I see for this I don't see any option because I see that nobody can save me and I worse, leaving a child and family here was my fault for not having left things right in their time.

 

 

 

           

What drug did you last take, if not taking drugs now, and when did you take it?

 

you currently taking any drugs don't Have you taken any drugs since 2020?     don't take any   

[marilo]

[manymoretodays]

Thanks marilo.  I see your answers to my questions.  I will get the year changed in your signature that is now visible.  Of rivitrol.  Last dose 2021.  How are you doing today?  And best. mmt

[marilo]

Thanks marilo.  I see your answers to my questions.  I will get the year changed in your signature that is now visible.  Of rivitrol.  Last dose 2021.  How are you doing today?  And best. mmt

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[marilo]

It's getting worse and worse. I think I've done too much damage to my body. I don't think I can live without barely eating or resting. Besides, I have parasites from what it looks like, my life is already over and reinstatement won't help. I know I have no solution. I don't need you to tell me yes. I will be cured because my thing is to die is how I feel and there is no hope for me.

[marilo]

never should have stopped fluoxetine I should have continued despite the effects now it's too late but I would do anything to save myself from this