sarahw Posted August 30, 2023 Posted August 30, 2023 Hi all. Here is my background… June 2019 - started citalopram 20mg due to anxiety disorder. Recovered over the next 6 months with therapy and the drug. May 2020 - started reducing dose slowly with a view to stopping. Dec 2020 - stopped the citalopram. I had been suffering intense emotional instability but thought it was due to pandemic stress. June 2021 - still struggling, so restarted citalopram at 10mg. Instability resolved almost immediately. This is when I realised it was a withdrawal syndrome. It wasn’t really anything like my initial anxiety issue or anything I’d experienced before. August 2022 - decided to try again to come off; reduced to 5mg, experienced some mood instability but it seemed to resolve. April 2023 - reduced to 5mg 4 days a week. Decided to wait for stability to return before every reduction. June 2023 - felt OK again so reduced to 5mg 3 days a week. Today (30th August 2023) - stability has not yet returned, still often feeling irritable, tearful, low mood, easily frustrated and angry. Im looking forward to learning about strategies that others have found to work. At this rate it seems it may take me years and I haven’t found a GP that understands that. I couldn’t cry on the drug, and withdrawal is like those shadow side emotions rebound more forcefully than I ever felt them before. When my withdrawal syndrome was at its worst in early 2021, I couldn’t trust myself to maintain composure if a situation turned at all challenging. For example I overpaid a car repair bill because I knew I couldn’t question it without bursting into tears. I found myself doing all sorts of wild things to cope with emotional pain and I was consumed with shame and thought everyone disliked me. In this current second attempt at coming off, things haven’t got so bad (so far), I guess because I’m taking it even slower. It’s very daunting though realising that this is going to be a very long slog, and I’m scared that I will never be back to normal. June 2019, citalopram 20mg started due to anxiety disorder May 2020-Dec 2020, tapered off with fairly large reductions but long gaps, struggled with mood and emotional disturbances July 2021, back on 10mg due to ongoing emotional instability - this resolved almost immediately August 2022 - down to 5mg daily April 2023 - down to 5mg 4 days a week June 2023 - down to 5mg 3 days a week August 2023 - now crushing and weighing the pills and taking 2.5mg every day
Moderator FireflyFyte Posted August 31, 2023 Moderator Posted August 31, 2023 Hi Sarah, Welcome to SA. Please summarize your drug history in your signature. You can find instructions at How to Summarize Your Drug History in Your Signature. You may need to be on a computer to complete this. We do not recommend skipping doses as a method of tapering as it can lead to instability and withdrawals. You can learn more at NEVER SKIP DOSES TO TAPER. In order to stabilize, would encourage you to return to 5mg every day, at the same time, and hold there for at least a month. Once stable, you can continue your tapering by dropping no more than 10% of your previous dose per month. More details can be found at Why taper by 10% of my dosage? Withdrawals can be emotionally taxing, a good resource to check out is Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms. Once you are ready to resume your taper, check out our guide for tapering citalopram at Tips for tapering off Celexa (citalopram). Thanks, Firefly Pre- October 2022: Wellbutrin, Escitalopram, Citalopram, Sertraline, Adderall IR, Vyvanse, Propranolol, Buspar, Ativan, and Latuda Oct 13, 2022 - Oct 24, 2022 and Oct 31, 2022 - Present: Zyprexa (2.5 mg). Jan 29, 2023 = 2.375mg -> Jan 22, 2024 = 0.97mg -> Nov 26, 2024 = 0.295mg Oct 14, 2022 - Present: Prozac (40mg) upped from 20mg on Nov 1, 2022. Oct 31, 2022 - Present: Gabapentin (300mg 3x day) -> May 3, 2023 = 300mg 2x day -> Oct 1, 2023 = 570mg -> Oct 15, 2023 = 540mg -> Oct 29, 2023 = 510mg -> Nov 13, 2023 = 484mg -> Nov 27, 2023 = 460mg -> Dec 9, 2023 = 436mg -> Dec 24, 2023 = 414mg -> Jan 7, 2024 = 400mg
sarahw Posted August 31, 2023 Author Posted August 31, 2023 Thanks Firefly. I’ve learnt a lot in the last 24 hours reading through the articles here. I never realised the importance of taking some of the drug every day of the week, but it makes sense, that fluctuating levels might be part of my current problem. I've ordered scales and a pill crusher. I’m going to try 2.5mg each day for 8 weeks and see if I can stabilise, then if so, start the 10% reductions every 4 weeks. June 2019, citalopram 20mg started due to anxiety disorder May 2020-Dec 2020, tapered off with fairly large reductions but long gaps, struggled with mood and emotional disturbances July 2021, back on 10mg due to ongoing emotional instability - this resolved almost immediately August 2022 - down to 5mg daily April 2023 - down to 5mg 4 days a week June 2023 - down to 5mg 3 days a week August 2023 - now crushing and weighing the pills and taking 2.5mg every day
Moderator FireflyFyte Posted August 31, 2023 Moderator Posted August 31, 2023 12 minutes ago, sarahw said: I’m going to try 2.5mg each day for 8 weeks and see if I can stabilise, then if so, start the 10% reductions every 4 weeks. This is a 50% drop which is a much larger decrease than we would recommend. I would encourage you to consider stabilizing at 5mg and then beginning to drop at 10% per month. Pre- October 2022: Wellbutrin, Escitalopram, Citalopram, Sertraline, Adderall IR, Vyvanse, Propranolol, Buspar, Ativan, and Latuda Oct 13, 2022 - Oct 24, 2022 and Oct 31, 2022 - Present: Zyprexa (2.5 mg). Jan 29, 2023 = 2.375mg -> Jan 22, 2024 = 0.97mg -> Nov 26, 2024 = 0.295mg Oct 14, 2022 - Present: Prozac (40mg) upped from 20mg on Nov 1, 2022. Oct 31, 2022 - Present: Gabapentin (300mg 3x day) -> May 3, 2023 = 300mg 2x day -> Oct 1, 2023 = 570mg -> Oct 15, 2023 = 540mg -> Oct 29, 2023 = 510mg -> Nov 13, 2023 = 484mg -> Nov 27, 2023 = 460mg -> Dec 9, 2023 = 436mg -> Dec 24, 2023 = 414mg -> Jan 7, 2024 = 400mg
sarahw Posted August 31, 2023 Author Posted August 31, 2023 In terms of total weekly intake, it’s an increase on my current 15mg, to 17.5mg. From April to June I took 20mg total weekly intake and I felt OK by June. To go back up to 5mg per day would be a weekly intake of 35mg, that seems a huge updose! June 2019, citalopram 20mg started due to anxiety disorder May 2020-Dec 2020, tapered off with fairly large reductions but long gaps, struggled with mood and emotional disturbances July 2021, back on 10mg due to ongoing emotional instability - this resolved almost immediately August 2022 - down to 5mg daily April 2023 - down to 5mg 4 days a week June 2023 - down to 5mg 3 days a week August 2023 - now crushing and weighing the pills and taking 2.5mg every day
Moderator FireflyFyte Posted August 31, 2023 Moderator Posted August 31, 2023 1 hour ago, FireflyFyte said: Welcome to SA. Please summarize your drug history in your signature. You can find instructions at How to Summarize Your Drug History in Your Signature. You may need to be on a computer to complete this. Can you please summarize your drug history in your signature as outlined above so we can have a better idea of your current dosing? Pre- October 2022: Wellbutrin, Escitalopram, Citalopram, Sertraline, Adderall IR, Vyvanse, Propranolol, Buspar, Ativan, and Latuda Oct 13, 2022 - Oct 24, 2022 and Oct 31, 2022 - Present: Zyprexa (2.5 mg). Jan 29, 2023 = 2.375mg -> Jan 22, 2024 = 0.97mg -> Nov 26, 2024 = 0.295mg Oct 14, 2022 - Present: Prozac (40mg) upped from 20mg on Nov 1, 2022. Oct 31, 2022 - Present: Gabapentin (300mg 3x day) -> May 3, 2023 = 300mg 2x day -> Oct 1, 2023 = 570mg -> Oct 15, 2023 = 540mg -> Oct 29, 2023 = 510mg -> Nov 13, 2023 = 484mg -> Nov 27, 2023 = 460mg -> Dec 9, 2023 = 436mg -> Dec 24, 2023 = 414mg -> Jan 7, 2024 = 400mg
Mentor Faure Posted September 7, 2023 Mentor Posted September 7, 2023 Hi Sarahw and welcome to SA. I’m sorry you’re feeling bad because of skipping days. Unfortunately this is a real problem. I got very unwell myself from that. Please do insert your signature as requested, this helps very busy mods and others take in your position at a quick glance without having to read through a thread. It also makes very clear what doses you have been taking and when and helps mods decide what to advise re dosing and stabilisation. Often mods are unable to help until this is done so please don’t delay ☺️ I am not a medical professional. I provide information and make suggestions based on my own experience and SA guidelines. I am unable to respond to private messages. Mirtazepine 15mg Nov 2018 -April 2019 April - Sept 2019 Mirtazepine down to around 6mg - skipping days to taper October 2019 - Dec 2019 unwell from failed taper including jumping about in doses 15 December 2019 to 13 June 2021 15mg Mirtazepine 14 June 2021 started brass monkey Slide. 2021: 23 August 12.3mg, 28 October 11.1mg, 6 Dec 10mg 2022: 12 Feb 8.5, 25 Oct 4.5mg 2023: 16 Jan 3.6mg, 28 Sept 1.8mg 2024: 13 May 1.1mg 2024: September reinstated 15mg owing to severe depression planning to stay on for the very long term
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