Phobos84: Going through hell!, please help!

[Phobos84]

Hello everyone, I was taking 20mg (max dosage) of escitalopram/Lexapro for the past 17 years, and also 25mg at night of quetiapine, however over the course of this year I developed a terrible phobia about taking medications, and therefore I stopped all my medications abruptly. Since then I have been experiencing persistent brain zaps, dizziness/off balance, feeling nauseous, I am constantly highly anxious, I am crying often, have zero appetite ( I have lost at least 1stone and 6 pounds/10kgs thus far since I stopped the medications), I struggle to sleep, and when I do I experience bad nightmares and sweats,

 

I had seen some information online stating that in some rare cases people can actually die from stopping anti-depressants without tapering, and also that if does not kill me that I could suffer these withdrawal symptoms for many months, even years.

 

I feel terribly ill and afraid, can someone please confirm if it is  true  that I can in fact die from this?, and if not how long am I likely to suffer in this state?, do symptoms peak and then decrease or do they stay as intense as this the whole time?

 

Any thoughts and/or advice would be greatly appreciated, Thank You

[Emonda]

Welcome to S.A. @Phobos84,

 

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1 hour ago, Phobos84 said:

I stopped all my medications abruptly. Since then I have been experiencing persistent brain zaps, dizziness/off balance, feeling nauseous, I am constantly highly anxious, I am crying often, have zero appetite ( I have lost at least 1stone and 6 pounds/10kgs thus far since I stopped the medications), I struggle to sleep, and when I do I experience bad nightmares and sweats,

 

Sounds like you are experiencing typical WD (withdrawal) symptoms as a result of stopping your meds cold turkey (CT). If you read this link, you will see a comprehensive list of possible WD symptoms: WD symptom checklist...not to scare you, but to reassure you that it is WD symptoms, not a relapse.

 

In our offline exchanges, you mentioned you only stopped your AD three weeks ago. Can you please confirm this is correct in your drug signature?

 

If correct, you are still in the window of time when reinstating a smaller amount of the AD you stopped could prove beneficial. When reinstating, we generally don't revert back to the dose we CT'd from, as we don't know how your body will respond. We start with a smaller amount and reassess from there. As a guide, you may like to start with 10mg, given you jumped off at 20mg of escitalopram.

 

If you reinstate, hold that amount for several weeks. Be patient and wait for improvement.

 

Regarding the quetiapine, I'll ask one of the others offline to jump in and comment on that.

 

Whether you choose to reinstate / or ride out your CT, you should have a read of these non-drug coping strategies.

 

Once stability returns, you need to be prepared for good days and not-so-good days. We refer to this as the  Windows and waves pattern of stabilization. Time and patience are your friends in this process.

 

1 hour ago, Phobos84 said:

I had seen some information online stating that in some rare cases people can actually die from stopping anti-depressants without tapering, and also that if does not kill me that I could suffer these withdrawal symptoms for many months, even years.

 

You can certainly suffer many months of WD symptoms as a result of a CT. Reinstating a small amount is the only known way of alleviating this. From personal experience, I certainly felt like I was having a heart attack as a result of CT, but they are just feelings/emotions as your brain reacts to the AD being removed. These feelings do go away with time. 

 

1 hour ago, Phobos84 said:

I feel terribly ill and afraid, can someone please confirm if it is  true  that I can in fact die from this?, and if not how long am I likely to suffer in this state?, do symptoms peak and then decrease or do they stay as intense as this the whole time?

 

I, and many others here, have made the mistake of stopping our meds CT. We've all experienced what you are. I can say that with a small reinstatement, time and much patience, you will stabilise. Repeating my comment from above:  have a read of the Windows and waves pattern of stabilization. Time and patience are your friends in this process. 

 

Once you stabilise, and you will, some months down the track, we can point you in the right direction for successfully tapering off these meds. The recommendation is to reduce your meds by a maximum of 10% per mon th Why taper by 10% of my dosage?.

 

We don't suggest many supplements, but two that many of us find helpful are magnesium and omega-3 fish oil. Here are the links for info about those. Add one at a time and start with a low dose to see how it affects you. 

Magnesium

Omega 3 Fish Oil

 

Avoid alcohol. 

 

Please post any updates here in your thread. It is helpful to keep everything related to your journey in one spot. You are very welcome to jump onto someone else's page and interact with them. The encouragement members give each other on this site is wonderful to see.

 

Sing out with any questions. 

 

Once again, welcome to S.A....and please attend to your drug signature.

 

Emonda.

 

 

 

[Phobos84]

Thank you so much for your response, It is so hard going through this when nobody else around me understands. It has been roughly a month since I last took meds. My big problem is the fact that I have developed this terrible phobia about taking any and all forms of medications, I was having severe panic attacks when I was doing so, and so due to that I feel I have no choice other than to continue to CT, but I really cope that my symptoms begin to lessen and soon because I feel so unwell and I've become so incapable of functioning that I really don't feel that I can continue to live like this

[NardilTime]

I was on an antidepressant (venlafaxine) for roughly the same amount of time you were. I tapered over 8 months and it took me about 2 years to feel normal again. I felt the way you do in the beginning but it improved over time. You definitely won’t have the intensity of symptoms that you are currently feeling for the entire two years. I’ll let the mods speak for themselves but my guess is they will tell you that it’s best to reinstate, let your nervous system stabilize, then slowly taper using the 10% method. It’ll go easier that way. If you want to white knuckle it you will still heal eventually. 
 

The only way I have heard of people dying from stopping antidepressants is when they commit suicide. So it is important for you to know that you will not always feel like this and the longer you are off the pills the better you will get until you eventually heal. 

[Emonda]

Hi @Phobos84,

 

Withdrawal from ADs is very unpleasant. Stopping CT makes it so much harder.

 

9 hours ago, Phobos84 said:

it is so hard going through this when nobody else around me understands.

 

Plenty of us here do understand. There are so many resources here for you to digest to help you, although you probably don't feel up to it at the moment.

 

Once you are more than one month off following a CT, the recommendation for reinstatement is to try 25% of the last dose = 5mg. Now that you've added your drug signature, I see that you are right on one month now...so if you decide to reinstate, maybe a smaller 5mg may be a better/safer starting point.

 

Hopefully, one of the moderators will jump in soon with comments on quetiapine.

 

That said, I note your anxiety above about medication.

 

9 hours ago, Phobos84 said:

My big problem is the fact that I have developed this terrible phobia about taking any and all forms of medications, I was having severe panic attacks when I was doing so, and so due to that I feel I have no choice other than to continue to CT,

 

I'd go and have a look at the non-drug coping strategies I referred to above to help you manage this anxiety. I've just got to head out for a while now, but I will track down some other helpful links that refer to anxiety when I get back.

 

9 hours ago, Phobos84 said:

I feel so unwell and I've become so incapable of functioning that I really don't feel that I can continue to live like this

 

As I said at the start, withdrawal is very unpleasant. You can either ride it out (and we don't know how long it will take to settle), or you can sleep on the concept of reinstating 25% of your last dose = 5mg.

 

Will come back to you a little later on. I hope this helps in the interim.

 

Emonda.

[Onmyway]

@Phobos84

I'd also encourage you to reinstate. 

I suggest that you follow the dosage that @Emonda has proposed for reinstatement for both drugs. 

 

I am not sure that you can die from the physical effects of withdrawal (at least I don't know of any such cases myself personally) but people have taken their lives because of the extreme psychological effects. Withdrawal can be brutal (as you are seeing). The severity goes down for most people over time but there are some for which that improvement is much slower.

 

Given that you have been on these drugs for such a long time and the really high doses of escitalopram you were taking, your withdrawal will likely go for years rather than months, especially since you are already having such a hard time. Reinstating will likely make these more bearable. 

 

Please keep us updated on how you are feeling. 
OMW

[Phobos84]

Thank you for your reply NardilTime, due to my phobia of taking medications and the panic that it induces in me, I feel that I have no option other than to CT. Thank you though for reassuring me that with time that I will eventually heal

[Phobos84]

Thank you for your reply Onmyway, I am unable to reinstate due to the phobia I have developed about taking medications and the panic that it induces in me, and so I feel I have no choice other than to CT. Admittedly the prospect that I could suffer this state for 'years' is also absolutely terrifying to me, honestly I don't know what to do, I feel like my life is over.

[getofflex]

You have said repeatedly that because of your phobia, you cannot reinstate.  However, that is letting your fear control you.  Why not do some research into this, and make a careful and logical decision about what is best for you?  It might save you from going through years of suffering.  I will give you some links that will help you to be better informed about these drugs, and reinstatement.  

 

Recovery from a Cold Turkey

 

How Psychiatric Drugs Remodel Your Brain

 

Video on Recovery from Psych Drugs

 

About Reinstating and Stabilizing to Reduce Withdrawal Symptoms

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Yesyes123]

@Phobos84 Hello and welcome.

 

As someone with years of experience with Escitalopram I would ABSOLUTELY reinstate a small dose in your position.

 

Doing so will make the next few chapters of your life 1.000% easier. 
 

15 hours ago, Phobos84 said:

I feel like my life is over.

Pretty much everyone here on this website has felt this way at some point.

 

This is temporary. You will heal. 
 

In your position I would not look at any other option right now other than reinstate small amount of both drugs and keep taking that small amount for at least 8 weeks.

 

 

[Phobos84]

Is there anybody on here that either they themselves or knows of somebody who CT'ed Escitalopam 20mg after being on them for 17 years or more and who has survived/recovered?, I am in this position now and I am very ill and very scared

[FireflyFyte]

1 minute ago, Phobos84 said:

Is there anybody on here that either they themselves or knows of somebody who CT'ed Escitalopam 20mg after being on them for 17 years or more and who has survived/recovered?, I am in this position now and I am very ill and very scared

 

I have moved this post to your introductory thread as we ask that you keep any questions, or concerns, you might have here.

 

For stories on recovery, you can check out our Success Stories section but would advise you to keep in mind that everyone's journey is different. 

[Emonda]

Hi @Phobos84,

As mentioned above, stopping 20mg of Escitalopram CT after 17 years of use is brutal to your system. I tried it several times from the same AD (before finding this site), and I would never, ever, do that again. I can't imagine anyone on here who has used ADs long-term and stopped CT would recommend it.

 

I mentioned that it could take months to recover. That's the best-case scenario. Many take years to recover.

 

All of those who responded above have suggested you reinstate a small amount, say 5mg. Whilst it is entirely up to you, reinstating is the only known way to bring relief. 

 

I appreciate your anxiety over taking medication, but please look at the anxiety links getofflex gave you and carefully consider your decision.

 

Emonda

 

 

[Phobos84]

Thank you again your reply Emonda, believe me when I say that I wish that reinstatement was an option for me, but unfortunately for me my phobia is SEVERE, I can barely bring myself to hold a tablet let alone swallow one, so I at least currently have no option other than to try and cope CT, but I cannot find any other cases of people successfully CT'ing from this dosage and that worries me greatly

[Yesyes123]

On 11/15/2023 at 9:48 PM, Phobos84 said:

Thank you again your reply Emonda, believe me when I say that I wish that reinstatement was an option for me, but unfortunately for me my phobia is SEVERE, I can barely bring myself to hold a tablet let alone swallow one, so I at least currently have no option other than to try and cope CT, but I cannot find any other cases of people successfully CT'ing from this dosage and that worries me greatly

I understand. It really seems to you now that reinstatement is not an option for you. 
 

That is just a thought pattern you keep repeating. It actually is an option, you can get yourself to move past this irrational phobia. It’s clear that for you, at this time, this would not be an easy thing. But it’s doable.

 

The thing is, you have been almost two decades on these drugs. Your body does not know how to function without them anymore.

 

It’s up to you to choose between two options: 

 

1. Not reinstating and continue to live without the drugs. It is unknown whether you will progressively get worse, and then even worse, and then unbearibly worse as the months go by, leading to years of hopelessness and not seeing any progress, making life utterly dysfuncional and unbearable, which is something we have seen countless times around here, especially from long term use.

 

2. You could make a decision to do whatever it takes to get over this mental block of being unable to touch the drugs and understand that there is currently no other source with the expertise and time in this exact scenario, with as many people and as much real life knowledge (and not some Big Pharma biased info that you get from most doctors) as Surviving Antidepressants Forums. Everyone here would reinstate in your position.

 

If you did reinstate, what would likely happen is that in a matter of months your struggles would all diminish, leaving you at a point of gratitude and well being which will allow you to later on taper very slowly using one of our known safer methods of tapering, which would set you up and a drug free future the safest way possible, guaranteeing you will never need them again.

 

You can get custom formulations for even 1mg of Escitalopram which would ease a lot of pain for you.

 

You are free to do whatever your heart tells you to, but believe me this is a clear description of your only two options and most likely outcomes.

 

This is not medical advice but simply our practices based on real life experience from decades of independent research.

[Yesyes123]

I stopped taking Escitalopram after only 6 years and honestly felt like my life was simply over for months, I was extremely suicidal. I can’t imagine what cold turkey after 17 years feels like. 
 

What got me back on my feet and fully back to myself was reinstatement.

[Addax]

@Phobos84

I am so sorry you are feeling so terribly.  Withdrawal is rough, no doubt. I have had times in the past when it seemed simply unbearable and the idea of having to do if for another day seemed impossible. I have never seen any documented cases of people dying as a result of abrupt cessation of ADs in any literature or elsewhere, but it will be a rough ride and and our brains can be pretty cruel to us during withdrawal. So it won’t kill you but it feels very scary. I wish I could prepare you for what to expect but symptoms vary from person to person as their quality, intensity, and duration.  Sometimes knowing some scary sensation or experience is “typical “ of withdrawal can go a long way of making a little less scary. See the link below for the symptoms and self care thread.
 

Is the phobia related to the pill/tablet/capsule or touching it? ingesting a pill/tablet/ capsule? touching and ingesting medication in general?  Fear of an adverse reaction? I hope asking isn’t triggering… I’m asking because if it was related to the form (I.e., solid  tablet or capsules), I wonder if a liquid form of the med would be an option. 

 

Since reinstatement isn’t feeling like an option right now, look through the the symptoms and self care thread: Symptom and Self care thread . There are non drug things you can try that you might find helpful. 

Are you working with a therapist? I would recommend this if you don’t and are able. Having supportive therapy through withdrawal can be very helpful in assisting to cope with symptoms including the distressing, and often ruminating thoughts that occur during withdrawal. 

 

 

Edited November 18, 2023 by Addax

[Phobos84]

Thank you addax, my phobia around taking the medication is around having the drug inside my body, so the form tablet/liquid makes little to no difference unfortunately. Over these last number of days I have become bedridden and unable to eat anything, I have only been able to drink, things have got very scary very quick for me. no I do not have a therapist again unfortunately

[Yesyes123]

Hi, now reading again my other post seems a bit condescending. I'm sorry if I seemed rude.

 

It definitely is possible to fully recover from this without reinstating, there are many success stories if you look for them here on the forums, I 100% believe it.

 

I was just trying to say it is much harder without reinstating, a lot more unpredictable. Whatever you choose to do, keep in mind it does eventually get better, this is not definite even if it seems to be.

 

 

[Yesyes123]

On 11/17/2023 at 10:52 PM, Addax said:

Are you working with a therapist? I would recommend this if you don’t and are able.

 

This can be extremely helpful.

 

I just find it important to be aware a lot of times the therapist might not quite grasp what is going on and might secretly think they're dealing with a schizophrenic/ bipolar patient, which are labels all too common these days. This could affect the efficiency of therapy for someone in antidepressant withdrawal syndrome

 

If they don't seem to know about it already I would avoid trying to get the therapist to fully understand the nuances of withdrawal syndrome and such, and instead just focus on resources to feel better.

 

Some other things that helped me a lot:

 

1. Learning about meditation and deep meditation practices.

If you get really into this, and put in enough hours into your research/ practice, it truly is one of the most life changing things I have ever experienced. One is literally able to get out of a huge emotional spiral and turn things around fast with the right meditation practice. I recommend looking at guided meditations on YouTube with Active Noise Cancelling headphones, although they might seem a bit weird at first.

 

2. Breath Work

Most of us are always short of breath and don't even notice.

4-7-8 technique, breath in for 4 seconds, hold for 7 seconds, slowly release your breath for 8 seconds. Repeat 5-10 times. Life changing if you are able to go all the way through with it. Also look into Wim Hof method, I find it a bit aggressive personally though.

 

Combine both for an even better experience.

[Addax]

16 hours ago, Phobos84 said:

Over these last number of days I have become bedridden and unable to eat anything, I have only been able to drink, things have got very scary very quick for me. no I do not have a therapist again unfortunately

I know it scary. Some days will be scarier than others and it may feel worse before it begins feeling better. And even then, healing from this is never linear, so a bad day or days does not mean a set back.  The usual pattern in withdrawal and healing is a windows and wave pattern… I think of it as being like a boat. Boats hit waves and are still moving forward. 
 

It can be hard to find success stories from people who have had the same experience. Not because they don’t exist, but when people feel better and good, I think they tend to fade from this site. Some probably fully intended to write their success story but once success has been achieved, the last thing they think to do is come back here to write about it.  Of course, some don’t want to continue the process and will reinstate and put trying to withdraw and tapering behind them - leaving them no need for this site.  I was nearly one of those. It took me years to come back and start my taper again. 
 

There are several people on this site who are also going through withdrawal after a cold turkey. They are in various stages of healing. You are not a lone in this.  
 

If possible, like with yesyes123’s suggestions, I highly encourage you to step outside. Walk a bit. It’s very easy to get drawn into our heads and our thoughts during all this, so little distractions can go a long way. 

[mstimc]

20 hours ago, Phobos84 said:

Thank you addax, my phobia around taking the medication is around having the drug inside my body, so the form tablet/liquid makes little to no difference unfortunately. Over these last number of days I have become bedridden and unable to eat anything, I have only been able to drink, things have got very scary very quick for me. no I do not have a therapist again unfortunately

@Phobos84  This and your other posts strongly suggest your phobia is linked to what drove you to Lexapro to begin with. In other words, while you are working on dealing with withdrawal, you should be looking for tools to help you cope with phobias and other anxiety-reducing thought behaviors.  Practices like CBT and ERP can help you manage your fearful thoughts as you deal with withdrawal.  @Addax gave you great advice to seek the help of a therapist. I benefitted tremendously from working with a therapist who accepted the reality of withdrawal and taught me very effective coping skills.  

[Phobos84]

Apologies for my sporatic responses I have been going through absolute hell, I do not think I can survive without my medications, my anxiety has just been growing stronger and stronger everyday since I stopped taking my medications, I have not been able to stomach any solid food at all for a week and prior to that I was only eating the odd bowl of soup and petit filou yogurt, I cannot get any relief from my constant state of high anxiety at all, I am desperate and I have obtained escitalopram/lexapro liquid, 1mg per drop, I have been putting a drop on my lip and then into my mouth and swallowing as and when I can despite the extreme discomfort it causes me to do so. I am trying to combat my phobia taking the medicines because I feel at this point I have no choice. I have been so distressed by how I have been feeling that I have been on the brink of suicide. So I literally am fighting for my life. Can anyone tell me if they think getting 5mg into me a day will help?, I have also obtained 5mg olanzapine/zyprexa velotabs I have been sucking tiny bits of over a number of hours this evening and tonight, from looking at what is left of the tab I would estimate I have got about half of it in me 2.5mg, I am extremely anxious about having these medications inside me and constantly worried about going into a panic attack about it. I did think that I felt a little bit of sedation from the small amount of olanzapine/zyprexa that I did manage to get into me but I am unsure whether or not that was psychosomatic. any opinions/suggestions would be most appreciated

[Emonda]

Hi @Phobos84,

I am sorry to read your update. Many of us know how rough it can get, and we feel your pain.

 

Please remember that how you are feeling right now is temporary. Better days are definitely ahead. If things are really grim, you should immediately call a friend or a crisis line in your country (Lifeline).

 

22 minutes ago, Phobos84 said:

Can anyone tell me if they think getting 5mg into me a day will help?

 

Many, many people on S.A. have found relief from the symptoms you describe from reinstating. The sooner you reinstate following a CT, the better.  

 

Obtaining liquid escitalopram is a positive step. If you are able to swallow the 1mg, that's great. It's not quite the 5mg mentioned above, but it's a good start. If you can manage it, I'd take the 5mg tablet...but I acknowledge your phobia. 

 

Your body will likely notice the difference in switching from tablet to liquid like this. This can unsettle some people for a while, but if you can't stomach the tablet, it is what it is.

 

Remember, taking the same dose at the same time each and every day is key. Don't change either variable for at least two weeks so you can give your body time to respond.

 

Please let us know how you are responding to the reinstatement.

 

Keep fighting, mate, you can do this.

 

Emonda

 

p.s. when you feel up to it, please add the date you have added the 1mg to your drug signature.

 

p.p.s is Olanzapine something you have taken previously? You mentioned Quetiapine in your drug signature.

 

 

 

 

[Yesyes123]

21 hours ago, Phobos84 said:

I have been so distressed by how I have been feeling that I have been on the brink of suicide.

I have been in this exact position too due to escitalopram withdrawal, wanting to take my life.

 

About 2 years later I was so glad I didn’t, I healed so much and life took amazing, great turns. You will make it.

 

It would be good to have other moderators give their opinions on a good dosage for you, but a general rule is that if you have been off the drugs a long time you can’t reinstate a big dose ever. 
 

1mg for a few weeks sounds good, and then work on increasing.

 

Also, I would reinstate the exact same drugs I was on if I were you and never new ones. That’s what works best, small doses of the drugs you were on. That’ll get you back on your feet in no time.

[Yesyes123]

21 hours ago, Phobos84 said:

I did think that I felt a little bit of sedation from the small amount of olanzapine/zyprexa that I did manage to get into me but I am unsure whether or not that was psychosomatic. any opinions/suggestions would be most appreciated

I would never add new drugs in your situation. I would only reinstate the ones I was previously in.

 

It’s “the devil your body knows”. It’s what works best. 
 

If you were on Escitalopram and Quetiapine I would reinstate small dose of both.

[Yesyes123]

21 hours ago, Emonda said:

Your body will likely notice the difference in switching from tablet to liquid like this. This can unsettle some people for a while, but if you can't stomach the tablet, it is what it is.

Yes this is also very important. Switching from solid to liquid formulations or vice versa can be problematic, it’s good to stick to what your body is used to already.

[Yesyes123]

22 hours ago, Phobos84 said:

I do not think I can survive without my medications

It’s not that you can’t survive without the medications, you can (if you were to do the correct taper that takes years) but your body currently does not know how because it has been living with them for so long.

 

It’s not you, anyone who takes these drugs for years will grow dependent, it’s what happens, our bodies adapt to whatever we do to them.

[getofflex]

I would stick with the 1 mg of Lexapro, and not go any higher.  

On 11/21/2023 at 6:14 PM, Phobos84 said:

Can anyone tell me if they think getting 5mg into me a day will help?,

No, this would put you at risk of kindling, and you don't want to do that.  Usually less is better with a reinstatement.  I would stick with the 1 mg of Lexapro.  It can take up to a week to fully get into your system and register with your brain.  Give yourself a few weeks to a couple of months on this reinstatement.  If you need more, we can increase it slightly then.   Measure it with a syringe, don't measure it in drops.  How many milligrams are in a milliliter?  Your chemist/pharmacist should know this, and it's probably on the bottle.  

 

I agree with @Yesyes123.  Reinstate the drugs you were on, so reinstate quetiapine, not Olanzapine. I'm not familiar with antipsychotics, so someone else will have to suggest a proper reinstatement dose for those.  

 

 

Edited November 23, 2023 by getofflex

[Emonda]

3 minutes ago, getofflex said:

I would stick with the 1 mg of Lexapro.

 

Go with the advice of getofflex, and let us know how you are progressing.

[Yesyes123]

10 hours ago, getofflex said:

I'm not familiar with antipsychotics, so someone else will have to suggest a proper reinstatement dose for those.  

I’m not familiar with Quetiapine either but it seems to me that the logic would be the same; maybe 1mg of that too could be good, if any other mod has more info on that it would be good to know.

[Phobos84]

Thank you all very much again for your responses. Maybe I did not explain right, I took 5mg of lexapro in x5 1mg drops for the past 2 days, do you still think I should only take !mg from now on?

[Onmyway]

Hi @Phobos84, 

how are you feeling after taking that amount? Are you sure that 1mg is 1drop? These tend to be very concentrated. 

Please check the leaflet. Did you take 5 drops? 

 

Also, we strongly recommend not using drops but using a syringe for more accuracy. 

OMW

[Phobos84]

2 hours ago, Onmyway said:

Hi @Phobos84, 

how are you feeling after taking that amount? Are you sure that 1mg is 1drop? These tend to be very concentrated. 

Please check the leaflet. Did you take 5 drops? 

 

Also, we strongly recommend not using drops but using a syringe for more accuracy. 

OMW

I feel extremely little to no benefit from it at all, I am trying to get a syringe, yes it clearly says on the bottle 1 drop is 1mg and to take 5 drops a day for one week, then 10 drops per day for one week, and then 20 drops daily ongoing

 

Thanks

[Onmyway]

3 hours ago, Phobos84 said:

I feel extremely little to no benefit from it at all, I am trying to get a syringe, yes it clearly says on the bottle 1 drop is 1mg and to take 5 drops a day for one week, then 10 drops per day for one week, and then 20 drops daily ongoing

 

Thanks

OK, what does it say the concentration is per ml? You can get a syringe at any pharmacy- get multiple sizes. 

 

You can keep at this dose if you are not feeling adverse effects if you've taken it for a while. We expect at least a week or two for positive effects to be felt. Pls keep us updated!

 

Omw

[Emonda]

5 hours ago, Phobos84 said:

it clearly says on the bottle 1 drop is 1mg and to take 5 drops a day for one week, then 10 drops per day for one week, and then 20 drops daily ongoing

 

Hi Phobos84,

 

After consulting the team, we just wanted to point out that you should hold the dose you are at, 5mg, provided you notice no adverse symptoms.

 

Don't increase to 10 drops or 20 drops. Hold where you are. Some people rapidly increase their dose as they think it's not working. It takes time for the reinstatement to work.

 

Please keep us posted on your progress/symptoms.