Cfgwb: insomnia since march 2024, lots different meds Help!!!!!

[cfgwb]

For Windows healing is needed but there cannot be healing without sleep..and poly drugged. Cold turkey!! And no stability. I cannot withstand this for years I just cant. Please please help me. I need sleeeeeeeeeep

[cfgwb]

My brain is in constant alarm Mode...cannot stop. Does not want to give in. Is totally fighting against everything that is relaxation. Please help me I neeeeed sleeeeeeeeeeep

 

Can low dose valproat help??

[cfgwb]

Problem is: mirtazapin was not a reinstatement! So I will not be able to stabilize on it...that is the Problem with it!! And it increases noradrenalin that is why it made everything worse and prevents me from sleep in Addition to All the wd and hyper sensitive cns....that is the Problem!!

[cfgwb]

Please all, who can help me? Anyone please help me I am so devastated. My brain will be damaged without sleep please please help me

[cfgwb]

Mirtazapin lets my pulse go up so I wont be able to sleep. It is a mess. Please help help help what to Do? Need sleeeeeeep

[Barry2954]

I have been wondering whether the psychiatric medications could be causing a deficiency of palmitoylethanolamide. Our bodies produce it from things like eggs, peanut oil, and soy lecithin. It has been tested for helping with sleep and a range of other issues. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34522787/ While it is obviously preferable to enable our bodies to produce it you can find it in supplement form online.

[cfgwb]

Do i have to go up with mirtazapin to e.g. 3.8? Maybe the only dose to stabilize ? Just went to 3.5 and 3.2 because Family said go down go down you will feel better....what to Do? Need sleeeeeeeeeep please please 

[cfgwb]

My Brain gets damages every second more and more. I do not know how to stop that. I neeeeeed reinstatement of the right drug to stabilize please please help me how to.

Mirtazapin was Completely wrong. All before that was Completely wrong. Only escitalopram was correct. I was too stupid though

[cfgwb]

I cannot do a symptom journal I need some sleep first. 

My only Symptoms currently are insomnia and walking around because of thoughts I destroyed my life (After i rescued it with escitalopram). And no possibility to Rest. Pain in feet knees hip. But probably because of walking since months. But all other Symptoms are suppressed. My cns is just trying not to die. To survive. I need another Option, another solution than just wait.. please sleeeeeep

[Catwoman73]

It sounds like you are getting yourself worked up into a frenzy.  You need to breathe- catastrophic thinking is only going to make you feel worse.  You aren't going to die.  And beating yourself up for past decisions is also not helpful, and will make you feel worse.  What's done is done- all you can do is move forward from here. 

 

As I previously stated, we do not recommend taking other psychiatric medications to deal with the effects of psychiatric medications.  First of all, when the nervous system is destabilized, the actions of other medications are unpredictable, and may make you worse.  Secondly, you would only be creating another drug dependance on a drug that you will have to taper down the road, thereby prolonging your tapering and withdrawal experience.  Benzos are pretty evil to stop- I would certainly avoid those at all costs. 

 

You have been on mirtazepine long enough now for your body to have adapted to its presence.  You need to be aware that you can't just switch from one drug to another at this point without risking dealing with further withdrawal from the mirtazepine.    If you wish to consider a prozac bridge, you need to be fully informed about the advantages and disadvantages of this.  Read here for more information:

 

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/forums/topic/19373-the-prozac-switch-or-bridging-with-fluoxetine/#comment-13616

 

I would almost rather see you try to reinstate a small dose of the escitalopram than bridge to prozac, since it was working for you in March.  But again, you will deal with further withdrawal from the mirtazepine at this point, which could make things worse for you.  It's very hard to know how you would react at this point to making any changes. Only you can weigh the risks and benefits, and decide what is best for you. 

 

If non-drug coping mechanisms are not working for you, It just means you need to give them more time.  They are not magic cures- you need to commit to practicing them over and over and over until they start to click.  I know how hard it is when you are feeling so desperate, but even continuing to TRY will help to start rewiring your brain.  

 

I would strongly recommend that you look up Angie Peacock on Youtube.  She is a polydrug survivor.  She was on 18 medications at once at one point in her journey.  She has been drug free for many years now, and interviews other survivors on YouTube.  Her interviews always end with messages of hope, which are truly inspiring.  She and many of those she interviews have absolutely brutal insomnia, just like you do.  They all healed- every single person she has interviewed healed.  The body and brain will heal, whether you believe it or not. 

[cfgwb]

Hallo and thanks

I know angie peacock Story but she tapered...she did not cold Turkey All of them. And Added mirtazapin later...she did not make so many mistakes with Supplements....and probably all in her Videos also tapered ...not just ct

Yes I am driving myself crazy...because I sooo damn ned sleeep...it is unbearable. I am afraid....

 

 

If I reinstate escitalopram which dosage would be good and what to do with mirtazapin then?

 

Thanks a lot 

[cfgwb]

@Altostrata please let me know if it is possible that mirtazapin prevents me from sleeping because of noradrenalin. At the Beginning with 7.5mg it sedated me from 10pm to 5 am. But the lower the dose it doesnt and feels like maybe adverse reaction. What shall I do? Need sleep desperately

Made everything wrong. Help

[cfgwb]

@Catwoman73 would you recommend me stopping passion flower now? Before I get dependend? Or try it even more?

[cfgwb]

@Catwoman73 and shall i stay on 3.2mg mirtazapin or go up again as it was tooo Early to reduce?

[Catwoman73]

Please refrain from tagging Alto- she is no longer actively involved in the management of this site.  

 

I really think you just need to stabilize right where you are, but of course, your choices are your own to make.  Only you can decide what dose of escitalopram you would try- I would not go higher than 0.5mg at first, for fear of an adverse reaction if you decide to go that route.  Be advised that taking mirtazepine and escitalopram together puts you at risk of developing serotonin syndrome, so this is a risky move that would have to be carefully monitored medically.  Put both meds into a drug interaction checker to see the risks of serotonin syndrome.

 

The reason that your mirtazepine is not allowing you to sleep at lower doses is that you are destabilized from tapering it far too quickly.  You have essentially cut your dose in half since starting it four months ago- this is way too fast, as you know.  Time and stability should help this. 

 

As for Angie- yes, she tapered, but not properly from many of her drugs.  Like most of us, for a long time, she followed her doctors' advice and tapered far too quickly, stopping from doses that are equivalent to cold turkey stops.  And she recovered.  You will too.

[Catwoman73]

8 minutes ago, cfgwb said:

@Catwoman73 would you recommend me stopping passion flower now? Before I get dependend? Or try it even more?

 

Like I said previously- passion flower affects dopamine, and you do not need anything messing with your neurotransmitters right now.  I would avoid taking this. 

 

4 minutes ago, cfgwb said:

@Catwoman73 and shall i stay on 3.2mg mirtazapin or go up again as it was tooo Early to reduce?

 

As above- you need stability right now.  Continuing to change the dose around is only going to destabilize you further. 

[cfgwb]

1 minute ago, Catwoman73 said:

 

As above- you need stability right now.  Continuing to change the dose around is only going to destabilize you further. 

Even if the dose is too low because i reduced it so fast? I thought then updosing could be a way to reduce wd Symptoms...

[cfgwb]

@Catwoman73

my Problem is not only mirtazapin fast taper...it was the many cold Turkeys of the meds before....

All together...problem

[Catwoman73]

Just now, cfgwb said:

Even if the dose is too low because i reduced it so fast? I thought then updosing could be a way to reduce wd Symptoms...

 

You can certainly try to updose if you like, but you need to go VERY SLOW.  Increase by only 0.1mg, and hold for at least a week- preferably longer.  Moving this slowly will help prevent adverse reactions.  This thread can give you an idea of the length of time to stabilize after an updose.  You will stabilize if you hold where you are as well, without the risk of an adverse reaction.  Food for thought!

 

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/forums/topic/4244-how-long-does-it-take-to-stabilize-after-reinstating-or-updosing/

 

[cfgwb]

16 minutes ago, Catwoman73 said:

The reason that your mirtazepine is not allowing you to sleep at lower doses is that you are destabilized from tapering it far too quickly.

But i was not able to really sleep with 7.5mg either that is why i reduced After 3 days and again After 3 days...

[cfgwb]

For becoming angie peacock I Should not have made So many mistakes....that is the problem...

[cfgwb]

@Catwoman73Can escitalopram reinstatement work at All? Because I have thrown the mirtazapin in between...changed everything in my Brain didnt it? So is unrealistic i would say...

Need to turn back time to february this year

[cfgwb]

If i do not get better soon my husband will leave me because he cannot see me suffering any more

[cfgwb]

I also know the Story of nicole lamberson and she did not heal althouhg she reinstated After few months...so I do not see any hope for me if nobody can turn back time :'(

[cfgwb]

This is really an emergency...brain will die without sleep..i need my Brain

[cfgwb]

My body doesnt get any Rest because I all the Time walk around how shall i get stability?

[cfgwb]

I cannot even watch tv because everything triggers me and I am scared

[cfgwb]

It is taking tooooo long for me, need sleep please give me sleep

[cfgwb]

My feet are so swolen and hurt so much

[cfgwb]

Please help me I cannot live without sleeep

[cfgwb]

Help help help sleep sleep sleep please please please

[Catina7]

Hi @cfgwb, I'm so sorry you're feeling so desperate due to lack of sleep.  I know at some point Altostrata completely lost the ability to sleep (as have many others on this forum), but it slowly returned after some time.  

 

Focus on what you CAN control, which is trying to reign in your fear and anxiety and not letting them get the best of you.  Even if we lay there quietly during the night without having a deep "sleep," we're still giving our body and brain rest.  I'm sure that at certain times you're at least getting a little bit of sleep here and there, although you may not realize it.  

 

Sometimes the hardest thing to do is nothing at all because we want something to "fix" our situation, whether that be another drug, supplement, etc.

 

Please know that your sleep WILL return once you stabilize a bit more.  You're not permanently damaged or have made too many mistakes.  You're going to be okay, please believe me.  Take a deep breath.  We're here for you.

[Catina7]

You may want to try EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) Tapping.  It can really help to calm our fears and help with insomnia.  I've done it before with success, and other members have had success with it too.  Just something to consider.  

 

https://www.thrivingnow.com/tapping-points-and-instructions/

[Catina7]

Here are some tapping videos for insomnia you may want to check out:

 

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdJxqbeHSHg
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b3VadMr7HI&list=PL6MMinjeIUgYkW-jN5e9VVHGSI9mSFWlg
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DcXj_7Xeno
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RpiJ3I6KaQ
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbmqTxBR6xE

[Catina7]

Here's a tapping video to release stress, anxiety, and feeling overwhelmed:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqe3h3l8a7w

 

[cfgwb]

Thanks a lot @Catina7

Will try that, already watched some Videos about eft

I do not know if I will ever be able to stabilize...it is the wrong Medikament...and I tapered tooo fast. It does not help at All...and probably I will never ever be able to get off it...and thus no sleep...it is annoying. It is inhumane...