BlackKabarga: Constant nausea

[BlackKabarga]

Hi, I need help understanding what it is and how to treat it. If anyone has come across this, please write down what it is...

Machine translation, sorry. I drank amiriptilin for a year, other hells before it for two years (Venlafaxine, Fluoxetine, something else, I don't remember anymore). Two years ago

I decided that I was tired of all this and began to reduce it. I didn't know that there was a withdrawal syndrome, doctors don't talk about it, but for some reason I gradually reduced it anyway. But it's not visible enough. I initially had 3 tablets of amitriptyline, I gradually reached one and quit. It was necessary to divide by half, then a quarter. For two days everything was fine, and on the third, some kind of strange nausea began, such that even it was hard to drink water and it was constant. I didn't connect it with the cancellation in any way, I didn't know that this happens. I suffered for 5 days, nothing passed, then someone gave me the idea that it was a withdrawal syndrome. I took a pill and after 10 minutes everything was gone. Then I drank everything as before, but after 3-4 days the nausea returned. I didn't understand what was going on then. I drink pills, but I have withdrawal syndrome. I drank amitriptyline for a week in the hope that this "withdrawal syndrome" would pass, but it did not pass. I went to the HDP, where they changed it to Mirtazapine. After a couple of days, the nausea passed. Everything was fine for 7 months. Last year in August, I woke up with this nausea. And I do not know why. I didn't cancel anything, I didn't quit. Saw as prescribed. This nausea is constant, it is not affected by pills like Cerucal or Motonium, it does not depend on food. Fgds is gastroduodenitis. He can't give you that kind of nausea. Tests for all sorts of HIV and other things are clean. That's all I'm thinking, is this psychogenic nausea or the effect of pills. 

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[BlackKabarga]

Hi. Please help me understand what it is and how to treat it. If you know similar stories or you have the same, please write. 

 

I drank amitriptilin for a year, other hells before it for two years (Venlafaxine, Fluoxetine, something else, I don't remember anymore). In general, I decided that I was tired of all this and began to reduce it. I didn't know that there was a withdrawal syndrome, doctors don't talk about it, but for some reason I gradually reduced it anyway. But it's not visible enough. I initially had 3 amitriptyline tablets, I gradually reached one and quit. It was necessary to divide by half, then a quarter. For two days everything was fine, and on the third, some kind of strange nausea began, such that even it was hard to drink water and it was constant. I didn't connect it with the cancellation in any way, I didn't know that this happens. I suffered for 5 days, nothing passed, then someone gave me the idea that it was a withdrawal syndrome. I took a pill and after 10 minutes everything was gone. Then I drank everything as before, but after 3-4 days the nausea returned. I didn't understand what was going on then. I drink pills, but I have withdrawal syndrome. I drank amitriptyline for a week in the hope that this "withdrawal syndrome" would pass, but it did not pass. I went to the HDP, where they changed it to Mirtazapine. After a couple of days, the nausea passed. Everything was fine for 7 months. Last year in August, I woke up with this nausea. And I do not know why. I didn't cancel anything, I didn't quit. Saw as prescribed. This nausea is constant, it is not affected by pills like Cerucal or Motonium, it does not depend on food. Fgds is gastroduodenitis. He can't give you that kind of nausea. Tests for all sorts of HIV and other things are clean. That's all I'm thinking, is this psychogenic nausea or the effect of pills. The doctors say it's psychogenic. But I didn't have it before, before the pills.

[LotusRising]

Hi @BlackKabarga

 

Welcome to SA,

 

On 9/20/2024 at 9:10 AM, BlackKabarga said:

I went to the HDP, where they changed it to Mirtazapine. After a couple of days, the nausea passed.

Did you have any other symptoms prior to switching to mirtazapine?

 

On 9/20/2024 at 9:10 AM, BlackKabarga said:

Last year in August, I woke up with this nausea.

What was happening in your life at the time this recurred? Did you have extra stress, miss a dose or take mirtazapine off schedule?

[BlackKabarga]

Hi. Thank you for responding and approving the post. Could you delete any of these two posts, they're almost the same anyway?

 

2 hours ago, LotusRising said:

Did you have any other symptoms prior to switching to mirtazapine?

Symptoms of withdrawal syndrome? There were no others, which is strange, well, maybe a slight pain in the bones and head, but it was not particularly noticeable against the background of nausea. I don't know why I have such a strange reaction in withdrawal syndrome.

2 hours ago, LotusRising said:

What was happening in your life at the time this recurred? Did you have extra stress, miss a dose or take mirtazapine off schedule?

Everything was fine. I always drank mirtazapine on a schedule and did not miss it and was not going to quit for fear of hellish withdrawal syndrome.

[BlackKabarga]

One girl drank reduxin (the active ingredient sibutramine) to lose weight, quit and started having exactly the same nausea. I read her correspondence with a psychologist on the forum. The psychologist convinced her for several months that it was not from reduxin, but that it was her depression that manifested itself and that she needed to see a psychiatrist. And this girl went to a psychiatrist, started taking an antidepressant and after a few weeks everything went away. It looks like depression, but was it?

 

Today I dreamed about this forum, and then I caught a hypnopompy, which I developed against the background of taking mirtazapine. Who got this from antidepressants, does it go away completely after withdrawal or does it stay for a long time?

[LotusRising]

@BlackKabarga

 

Nausea is a very common withdrawal symptom. It's perplexing that it went away for such a long period of time, only to return.

 

But, withdrawal symptoms can do that, which is why I asked about stressors at the time. Even without stress though, symptoms can still cycle. This happens to me. I'm not particularly stressed, but I still get old symptoms returning that I had thought long gone.

 

Is it every single day, all day? I can think of others on the forum that had issues with nausea that did eventually go away.

[BlackKabarga]

14 hours ago, LotusRising said:

Is it every single day, all day?

Yes.

 

14 hours ago, LotusRising said:

I can think of others on the forum that had issues with nausea that did eventually go away

Tell me about them, please.

[BlackKabarga]

@LotusRising

 

I forget to write @ and name. Probably, without this, the forum members will not know that I answered them.

[BlackKabarga]

Apparently it turned out wrong.

[LotusRising]

@Frogie had long-term nausea. You might check our her story.

[BlackKabarga]

Thank you, LotusRising. I'll read it when I can. (depression).

[BlackKabarga]

The Frogie may have nausea due to liver disease. But in the Frogie topic, GrandmaD wrote about nausea, which she began to pass only in the fourth year. She doesn't seem to have any illnesses that could cause nausea. Although I haven't read it very carefully, I still need to read it. So I think GrandmaD had the same thing as me.

 

This is a very strange situation that happened to me. Doctors say that nausea is psychogenic, due to neurosis or depression. But I didn't have nausea before the pills, although I lived with phobias and neurosis for many years and never had anything like that. However, I have an idea that maybe my brain remembered the painful feeling of nausea that I once had with amitriptyline withdrawal syndrome and six months later my brain decided to remind me about it. Maybe after the unsuccessful withdrawal of amitriptyline, I had a psychological trauma associated with nausea, so the psyche reminded me of this? If this nausea is psychogenic from neurosis or psychological trauma, then I have no idea how to treat it. I have already been to the day hospital twice, they tried different things, I no longer remember, even Risperidone in a large dosage (5 mg) did not affect nausea in any way, did not reduce it at all. I don't feel like taking any more pills.. I have pharmacophobia now, it seems to me that the pills have broken something in my brain or psyche. So I have two versions of why this could happen:

1. Psychological trauma.

2. Breakdown in the brain and/or psyche due to pills.

[BlackKabarga]

I was upset. It seems GrandmaD didn't have the same thing as me. Today I spoke with a woman who had nausea after the removal of the gallbladder, it has not passed for a year. Then I remembered that GrandmaD also had a gallbladder removed. It looks like she got nausea because of the operation, and not because of withdrawal syndrome, it's not clear exactly why. It won't work to ask anymore - she doesn't go to the forum. It is very difficult for me to understand everything that is written on the forum, who has what symptoms from what appeared. Due to the fact that I do not know English well and have to resort to the help of machine translators, I do not understand anything... It seems that everything was different for the Frogie and GrandmaD, it was more likely due to physical reasons, liver disease and gallbladder removal.

 

I know people who have constant psychogenic nausea, it appeared by itself without taking drugs or canceling them. And so that from psychotropic drugs or from withdrawal syndrome, nausea appears, which does not go away, I have not heard of such a thing. So I have psychogenic nausea, which will never go away, because the pills do not affect it and it turns out not to cure it? I don't want to believe in the psychogenicity of nausea, I didn't have anything psychogenic before the pills, but I also understand that it's probably psychogenic after all, because no one has had this from pills or withdrawal syndrome. Apparently, the psychological trauma of psychiatric treatment, as well as the trauma of that failed cancellation, made me somatoform disorder in the form of nausea. And I do not know what to do about it. I can't figure out if this is a consequence of taking pills and withdrawal or psychological trauma.

 

I had a vision again that night. I don't know if it was when I fell asleep or when I woke up. I'm afraid that it was in reality at all, and not in a borderline state between dreams.