Nika Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 (edited) Hello everyone, It's my first day on this website. I still can't figure out how to communicate here, so I opened this new topic. I started tapering 10% for two months, but my main question is not about that. Here it is. We all started taking antidepressant for one reason or another. I specifically turned to it after not feeling well for many years. I was absolutely against antidepressants for many years for different reasons. When I came to a psychiatrist for the first time in 2011, I told him "I want to know if I am really depressed meaning, as psychiatry call it, have "Chemical disbalance" in my brain, or my long-lasting apathy to life in general, tearfulness, hopelessness etc. are rather related to stress caused by issues I have to deal with in my life (and the issues were not exceptionally unique and horrible). To make story short, I ended up taking Escitalopram for 13 years. And here is my question: we all are here to get off antidepressants. But how do you personally know that you are not depressed any longer, or are free from symptoms that brought you to taking anti-depressant/ or benzos in the first place? Do you all believe that you are not as it called " depressed" any more and just need to get off the meds "to feel good and normal". Also, I assume, we all here because we trust the opinion that it has never been proved that depression is caused by lack of serotonin in the brain. I do believe it now, but, on the other hand, it is a fact that people do suffer from depression and anxiety and panic attacks to the degree that their suffering is so intolerable they don't see the point to go on living. Personally, I do want to get off Lexapro and benzo, BUT I am asking - once I am off the meds ( and I hope I will get there still wanting to go on living) what am I gonna do if I will have depression symptoms again. Yes, antidepressants are not the cure, but what is? Please say something. Need your take on it. Edited September 21 by Emonda Name to title Nika Oss 2011 - 2013 Citalopram 15mg (depression only) 2014 - 2024 Escitalopram varied from 15 - 20mg 2016 - Aug 18, 24: Escit 10 -15 mg; Anxiety became as big issue as depression: 1/2 of 0.5 Clonazepam once to 4 times a day as needed 2022 - 2024: Ritalin 10mg - added to help to get up in the morning 2022 - 2024: Anxiety worsen/ Depression worsen/ Began having episodes of disturbing lethargy, fatigue, apathy, nervous breakdowns Jan - Aug 18, 2024: Escit 10mg + Ritalin 10mg + Clonazepam 0.5. - 2mg per day as needed Aug 18 - present Sep 21, 2024: tapered 20% off - 8ML of liquid Escitalopram. Continue Ritalin 10mg in AM/ Clonz: Down to 1/4 of 0.5. first two weeks - ok, 3rd week - extreme fatigue/ low mood, 4th week - disturbing worsening: darker, anx worsen, frustration. lost. Link to comment
Moderator Catwoman73 Posted September 21 Moderator Share Posted September 21 Hello @Nika, and welcome to SA! We are a community of volunteers providing peer support in the tapering of psychiatric medications, and their associated withdrawal syndromes. Thank you for completing your drug signature. You bring up some interesting questions that I will address momentarily. I first want to point out that it looks like you made a rather big jump with your escitalopram and clonazepam dose, which would explain why you are struggling with some pretty awful withdrawal symptoms. Here at SA, we recommend tapering by no more than 10% of your current dose, no more often than every four weeks (so, in your case- 10mg-9mg-8.1mg-7.3mg and so on). This is known as hyperbolic tapering, and is designed to release the receptors in the brain from the medication in a slow and controlled manner, thereby minimizing withdrawal effects. You can read more about hyperbolic tapering here: Why taper by 10% of my dosage? We also only recommend tapering one medication at a time, as tapering more than one can make it very difficult to discern which drug is causing you problems. Typically, we recommend tapering the most activating medication first. In your case, that would be the Ritalin (if you plan to come off of that as well), or otherwise, the escitalopram. Continuing with a stable clonazepam dose can help mitigate some of the withdrawal you experience from the other two drugs. Read more about choosing which drug to taper first here: Taking multiple psych drugs? Which drug to taper first? You may wish to consider updosing one drug at a time until you find some stability, and then later proceeding with a hyperbolic taper of one of them at a time. Updosing should be done in tiny increments, as your destabilized nervous system may not react well to large jumps. In your shoes, I would likely updose the clonazepam first, but of course, it's your choice. Read more about updosing here: About Reinstating and Stabilizing to Reduce Withdrawal Symptoms How long does it take to stabilize after reinstating or updosing? Hypersensitivity and kindling As for your questions, there is not a soul here that believes in the chemical imbalance theory. Yes, we were all probably sold that at some point, but what we know now is that these drugs actually CAUSE the chemical imbalance. They don't solve anything. Again, chemical imbalance is a myth. Stop the lies, please. Being truly 'depressed' is invariably a temporary thing, and can be dealt with in a much more holistic manner, rather than pumping our bodies full of chemicals that alter every single body system, our biochemistry, and even our genetic expression! How Psychiatric Drugs Remodel Your Brain I can't speak for everyone here, but I can tell you that I have been mostly on these drugs for 30 years, and in hindsight, I now recognize that there was nothing pathologically wrong with me at any point along my journey. I was a scared kid with zero coping skills when I started on them, and over the years, the meds created so much instability in my nervous system that I could never get off of them for very long. They kept me hooked- which is exactly what pharmaceuticals for chronic conditions are designed to do. Had I been offered some time off work, and some good, trauma informed therapy (at times, as an inpatient- I have had very severe depression and even a psychotic break at one point), really good social supports, and overall understanding of what is needed to support those with mental health issues by the community at large rather than the quick fix that pills offer, I suspect I would have fared much better over the years. But that's all in the past now, and I'm looking forward to a much brighter, drug free future, once I have safely (hyperbolically) finished tapering my escitalopram. So, I think most of us here understand that the treatment of mental health issues by allopathic medicine is a gross failure, and we are all the victims of it. That does not mean it's too late for any of us though. We can take charge and regain our power. We can learn healthier ways of dealing with life's stressors. We can learn to calm our own nervous systems down. We can find a good therapist, and be brutally honest with him/her, and deal with the crap that got us here in the first place. So the cure is taking responsibility yourself, and you can start that right now! For me, taking back my power has involved many of the things I've already talked about. I do go to therapy, and have found a wonderful therapist. I've dealt with my childhood trauma that I kept buried for my entire life. I have worked my tail off to learn to calm my nervous system down using mindfulness, guided meditations/yoga Nidra, spending time in nature, deep breathing, constantly challenging my negative thoughts (asking myself with great honesty- is this true?). I have gathered the people who truly love and support me, and asked for what I needed from them. I have walked away from things that are toxic to my mental health. And done so without apology!!! And distractions that bring me joy are helpful on the really bad days- I love to swim (I feel great in the water!), cook, and work on artistic projects. The interesting thing is, all of these things help me get through my withdrawal symptoms (and my long covid symptoms- I'm a complicated one lol), but they will also carry me through the rest of my life, as stressful events happen. I have every confidence in my ability to cope with whatever life throws at me, thanks to the hard work I've done. Here are some threads we have on using many of these techniques in the context of withdrawal. But like I said, they apply to everyday life as well! Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms Easing your way into meditation for a stressed-out nervous system Music for self-care: calms hyperalertness, anxiety, aids relaxation and sleep Ways to cope with daily anxiety "Change the channel" - dealing with cognitive symptoms Dealing With Emotional Spirals Shame, guilt, regret, and self-criticism Symptoms and Self Care So, what I'm saying- you can and will heal from all of this, but you have to do the work. Otherwise, you're just going to end up on the meds again. Tapering is not any easy journey for some of us. I have to go much slower than the recommended maximum of 10% per month. And that's ok- the key is to listen to your body as you proceed. And engage in good self care. IN addition to the above, it helps to eat a balanced, whole foods diet, stay hydrated, engage in gentle exercise, and get adequate rest/sleep. Avoid neurologically active substances, such as caffeine, alcohol, nicotine, and recreational drugs- these will only pour gasoline on the fire that is your withdrawal symptoms. And avoid adding any further psychiatric medications into the mix. The effects of these on a nervous system that is already destabilized are unpredictable, and can actually make you significantly worse. Not to mention, adding more drugs into the mix just prolongs your journey by creating a dependence on another substance that needs to be tapered! We recommend a couple of supplements here to help with healing and mental health- only 2... magnesium and omega-3 fatty acids. Do be mindful though, it is quite common for those experiencing withdrawal to become hypersensitive to all sorts of things, including medications, supplements and even foods! So if you choose to try to add a supplement, even those we recommend here, start with a very low dose, and increase slowly over time, if you tolerate it at all. As you slowly heal while tapering slowly from these meds, you will notice periods where you feel better, and periods where you feel worse. This is a normal part of the healing process that we refer to as the windows and waves pattern of stabilization. It is comforting to know that when you observe this happening, it is actually a very good sign! Read more about windows and wave here: The Windows and Waves Pattern of Stabilization You may benefit from keeping a symptom diary as you proceed through your journey. Keeping a list of your symptoms each day, rating them on a scale of 1-10 can help you identify your windows and waves. If you also track foods, activities, supplements, etc, you may also be able to identify some things that are triggering your symptoms. This makes the journey more pleasant. Personally, I can't tolerate sugar, coffee (even decaf), chamomile, intense exercise, and probably a few other things I can't come up with at the moment (brain fog lol... another withdrawal symptom). You could use this list of typical withdrawal symptoms as a template for a journal if you wish: Daily Checklist of Antidepressant Withdrawal Symptoms (PDF) In summary, you are likely currently experiencing symptoms due to dropping two medications at the same time, and by large amounts. You may wish to consider very slowly updosing to try to alleviate some of your symptoms. While you stabilize, it's a very good time to work on non-drug coping mechanisms as discussed above in order to not only help carry you through your taper, but to help carry you through the rest of your life, drug free! Simply going on meds every time life gets rough is not the answer- finding a healthy mental and physical lifestyle absolutely is the answer. But it takes work. I never did the work before this, and was on and off meds non-stop. Now that I've done the work (still am doing it lol!), I am soooo ready! You can be too, if you choose to make it your biggest priority! ❤️🩹 This is your introduction topic- each member gets one intro topic. Please post updates and questions here, on this thread. But don't hesitate to explore the rest of the forum- there's lots of good info here! And if you feel up to it, it is beneficial to read and comment on the intro threads of other active members. Having a community of people who understand around you while you taper is very helpful in normalizing what you are experiencing. This is a wonderfully supportive community, if you choose to take advantage of it! I look forward to following your journey! 1995- 2007- On and off multiple antidepressants (Prozac, Paxil, Effexor, Wellbutrin, escitalopram). Memory poor- can’t remember dates. Always tapered fast or CT. 2007- tapered Wellbutrin, zopiclone and escitalopram over one month to get pregnant. Withdrawal hell for many years. 2009- Daughter born 🥰 Post partum depression/psychosis- no meds taken. 2016- Back on escitalopram due to job change/anxiety 2022- Severe covid infection- Diagnosed with long covid 08/22. 2023- 01/23- Long term disability approved for long covid. Started taper under MD advice from 20mg: 11/23- 15mg. 2024- March-10mg. Started low dose naltrexone for long covid-5mg- terrible reaction, reduced to 0.5mg. April- 10mg escitalopram, 1.0mg LDN. May 1- 9.0mg escitalopram, 1.0mg LDN. May 15- 9.0mg escitalopram, 1.5mg LDN. June 12- 8.5mg escitalopram, 1.5mg LDN. July 8- Brassmonkey micro taper started. 8.4mg escitalopram, 1.5mg LDN. July 15- 8.3mg esc, 1.5mg LDN. July 18 8.3mg esc, 2.0mg LDN, July 22 8.2mg esc. 2.0mg LDN. July 29 8.1mg esc. 2.0mg LDN. Aug. 24- 8.0mg Esc. 2.0mg LDN. Aug. 30 7.9mg esc. Sept. 6 7.8mg esc. Sept. 13 7.7mg esc. Sept 21 2.5mg LDN Supplements/other meds: Vitamin D, B12, Claritin, HRT PLEASE DO NOT PM ME! PLEASE ONLY TAG ME FOR URGENT QUESTIONS! Thank you! I am not a doctor. I don't even play one on TV. This is not medical advice, but based on personal experience. Please consult a medical professional. Link to comment
Nika Posted September 22 Author Share Posted September 22 Hi Catwoman73, thank you very much for you response - very helpful advices. If you have a minute, please let me know what naltrexone/ LDN is exactly for. I have immune system issue - positive for ANA test (indicator of autoimmune decease tough, in my case, without specific name), also diagnosed with fibromyalgia ( another mysterious disease that can not be proved by any blood test). Again, thank you for directing me in tapering system - I will follow your suggestions. Wishing you well. Nika Nika Oss 2011 - 2013 Citalopram 15mg (depression only) 2014 - 2024 Escitalopram varied from 15 - 20mg 2016 - Aug 18, 24: Escit 10 -15 mg; Anxiety became as big issue as depression: 1/2 of 0.5 Clonazepam once to 4 times a day as needed 2022 - 2024: Ritalin 10mg - added to help to get up in the morning 2022 - 2024: Anxiety worsen/ Depression worsen/ Began having episodes of disturbing lethargy, fatigue, apathy, nervous breakdowns Jan - Aug 18, 2024: Escit 10mg + Ritalin 10mg + Clonazepam 0.5. - 2mg per day as needed Aug 18 - present Sep 21, 2024: tapered 20% off - 8ML of liquid Escitalopram. Continue Ritalin 10mg in AM/ Clonz: Down to 1/4 of 0.5. first two weeks - ok, 3rd week - extreme fatigue/ low mood, 4th week - disturbing worsening: darker, anx worsen, frustration. lost. Link to comment
Moderator Catwoman73 Posted September 22 Moderator Share Posted September 22 Hi again @Nika, and I'm very glad you found my post helpful. The LDN is used in long covid, CFS and fibro for generalized symptom relief. It doesn't work for everyone, but I have noticed a difference in my body aches and brain fog. Not a cure, but definitely a tool! If you want to discuss trying it with your doctor, I would wait until you are a bit more stable neurologically, and then start at a very low dose (0.5-1.0mg), and slowly increase to a maximum of 4.5mg. You'll want to make increases while holding and feeling relatively stable, because if you develop symptoms, you wouldn't otherwise be able to tell if it's the LDN or the taper. It's taken me many months to increase from 0.5 to 2.5mg, and I started to see a real difference around 1.5mg. My only fear is that little is known about the need to taper LDN. Most websites say there is no need to taper it, but we all know how that goes lol. They also say that withdrawal from psych meds is mild and short lived! 1 1995- 2007- On and off multiple antidepressants (Prozac, Paxil, Effexor, Wellbutrin, escitalopram). Memory poor- can’t remember dates. Always tapered fast or CT. 2007- tapered Wellbutrin, zopiclone and escitalopram over one month to get pregnant. Withdrawal hell for many years. 2009- Daughter born 🥰 Post partum depression/psychosis- no meds taken. 2016- Back on escitalopram due to job change/anxiety 2022- Severe covid infection- Diagnosed with long covid 08/22. 2023- 01/23- Long term disability approved for long covid. Started taper under MD advice from 20mg: 11/23- 15mg. 2024- March-10mg. Started low dose naltrexone for long covid-5mg- terrible reaction, reduced to 0.5mg. April- 10mg escitalopram, 1.0mg LDN. May 1- 9.0mg escitalopram, 1.0mg LDN. May 15- 9.0mg escitalopram, 1.5mg LDN. June 12- 8.5mg escitalopram, 1.5mg LDN. July 8- Brassmonkey micro taper started. 8.4mg escitalopram, 1.5mg LDN. July 15- 8.3mg esc, 1.5mg LDN. July 18 8.3mg esc, 2.0mg LDN, July 22 8.2mg esc. 2.0mg LDN. July 29 8.1mg esc. 2.0mg LDN. Aug. 24- 8.0mg Esc. 2.0mg LDN. Aug. 30 7.9mg esc. Sept. 6 7.8mg esc. Sept. 13 7.7mg esc. Sept 21 2.5mg LDN Supplements/other meds: Vitamin D, B12, Claritin, HRT PLEASE DO NOT PM ME! PLEASE ONLY TAG ME FOR URGENT QUESTIONS! Thank you! I am not a doctor. I don't even play one on TV. This is not medical advice, but based on personal experience. Please consult a medical professional. Link to comment
Nika Posted September 23 Author Share Posted September 23 Hi again. greatly appreciate your time and effort to help. Maybe you can help me with this. I am extremely lethargic on many days, especially in the mornings. Often, It takes me an hour even longer to get to my senses after I wake up. But I can't complain about sleep - I do sleep, but ALWAYS and for years wake up feeling exhausted, as if I didn't sleep forever. Recently, the extreme lethargy/ sleepiness happens more and more. Nika Nika Oss 2011 - 2013 Citalopram 15mg (depression only) 2014 - 2024 Escitalopram varied from 15 - 20mg 2016 - Aug 18, 24: Escit 10 -15 mg; Anxiety became as big issue as depression: 1/2 of 0.5 Clonazepam once to 4 times a day as needed 2022 - 2024: Ritalin 10mg - added to help to get up in the morning 2022 - 2024: Anxiety worsen/ Depression worsen/ Began having episodes of disturbing lethargy, fatigue, apathy, nervous breakdowns Jan - Aug 18, 2024: Escit 10mg + Ritalin 10mg + Clonazepam 0.5. - 2mg per day as needed Aug 18 - present Sep 21, 2024: tapered 20% off - 8ML of liquid Escitalopram. Continue Ritalin 10mg in AM/ Clonz: Down to 1/4 of 0.5. first two weeks - ok, 3rd week - extreme fatigue/ low mood, 4th week - disturbing worsening: darker, anx worsen, frustration. lost. Link to comment
Administrator Emonda Posted September 23 Administrator Share Posted September 23 Dear Nika, I have seen your message offline. This is the best place to ask questions relating to yourself. You can use the search function to look up topics of interest to you. The success stories will be helpful for you, too. Best wishes, Emonda Please don't send me PMs. I am not a doctor. My comments are based on my personal experience with ADs and tapering. Consult your doctor about your own medical decisions. Start of taper: Jan ’22 Vortioxetine 15mg, End year 1: 4.5mg, End year 2: 2.38mg, Year 3: 8 Feb 2.19mg, 21 Mar 1.99mg, 2 May 1.83mg, 13 Jun 1.69mg, 25 Jul 1.50mg, 14 Aug 1.46mg, 3 Sep 1.43mg, 10 Sep 1.40mg, 17 Sep 1.37mg Link to comment
Nika Posted September 23 Author Share Posted September 23 Thank you, Emonda, on advising about how to search for answers or ask questions on the website. Maybe you can help me with this issue. In the last six months I started having more often and often days of extreme lethargy. Fatigue has been with me for at least 10 years, but now it's such debilitating lethargy that all I am capable of doing in this state is sit and watch TV. I can't think straight to do something more brain-involving not to mention anything creative. It has began before I started tapering almost two months ago. Any advise? Thank you for your time in advance. Nika Oss 2011 - 2013 Citalopram 15mg (depression only) 2014 - 2024 Escitalopram varied from 15 - 20mg 2016 - Aug 18, 24: Escit 10 -15 mg; Anxiety became as big issue as depression: 1/2 of 0.5 Clonazepam once to 4 times a day as needed 2022 - 2024: Ritalin 10mg - added to help to get up in the morning 2022 - 2024: Anxiety worsen/ Depression worsen/ Began having episodes of disturbing lethargy, fatigue, apathy, nervous breakdowns Jan - Aug 18, 2024: Escit 10mg + Ritalin 10mg + Clonazepam 0.5. - 2mg per day as needed Aug 18 - present Sep 21, 2024: tapered 20% off - 8ML of liquid Escitalopram. Continue Ritalin 10mg in AM/ Clonz: Down to 1/4 of 0.5. first two weeks - ok, 3rd week - extreme fatigue/ low mood, 4th week - disturbing worsening: darker, anx worsen, frustration. lost. Link to comment
Jane318 Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 22 hours ago, Nika said: ...Maybe you can help me with this issue. In the last six months I started having more often and often days of extreme lethargy. Fatigue has been with me for at least 10 years, but now it's such debilitating lethargy that all I am capable of doing in this state is sit and watch TV. I can't think straight to do something more brain-involving not to mention anything creative. It has began before I started tapering almost two months ago. Any advise? Thank you for your time in advance. @Nika, just piping in to say that I have also dealt with extreme fatigue / malaise, it is a major WD symptom for me. If you haven't had your thyroid checked lately, you might think about this because low thyroid is one common cause especially in women. Nutrition is super important to metabolic health - I follow The Root Cause Protocol, although I have dropped some of the supplements they recommend because I am tapering. Similarly, you probably do not want to add any new supplements now, besides fish oil and Magnesium, which SA does recommend and are super-important. However, fatigue / malaise are also classic symptoms of AD withdrawal. See Daily Checklist of Antidepressant Withdrawal Symptoms (PDF). Waking exhausted / feeling poorly in the mornings can be due to early morning cortisol spikes, another lovely side-effect of WD. Even if you are able to sleep, the quality of your sleep may be poor. From your signature, looks like you have been tapering pretty fast and things might be catching up with you as they did with me earlier in the summer. So this is not unusual. All that to say that this, too will improve overtime. You might check out the post below. 1985-2010 (est.) - various ADs including Wellbutrin, Elavil, Prozac, Zoloft. dosages unk. 1991-1992 - stopped AD while to conceive and during pregnancy. Resumed 1993 (?). 2005 (est.) - tried to stop, severe symptoms. Resumed meds. 2010 (est) - started Celexa (dose unk) 2016 (est) - started Effexor, working up to 112.5 mg/day. Stayed at this dose for many years. 2023 - Feb. began linear tapering off Effexor. Switched to hyperbolic tapering in April 2023. By July 12, 2024 at 1.36 mg / day. July 13, 2024 - up-dosed to 1.44 mg / day to address severe withdrawal symptoms. Felt somewhat better by next day; symptoms continue to improve. Other meds: 75 mcg/day Levothyroxine for hypothyroidism Supplements: Vitamin D3 (5,000 IU), Boron, Magnesium Threonate (3 per day of 2000 mg with 145 mg Mg), Vitamin E (every other day), Lugol's iodine (4 drops/day); Omega 3's (currently 1 capsule Krill oil in morning, 2 capsules DHA-1000 Fish oil, one in afternoon and one in evening); Adrenal "cocktail" once or twice per day (– ¾ ts cream of tarter plus ¼ tsp Celtic salt dissolved in water. Taken with Vitamin C.) My Intro Topic: Jane318: Tapering off Effexor - Struggling at the End Heal me, O LORD, and I shall be healed. Jeremiah 17:14a. Link to comment
Moderator Catwoman73 Posted September 24 Moderator Share Posted September 24 On 9/22/2024 at 9:38 PM, Nika said: Hi again. greatly appreciate your time and effort to help. Maybe you can help me with this. I am extremely lethargic on many days, especially in the mornings. Often, It takes me an hour even longer to get to my senses after I wake up. But I can't complain about sleep - I do sleep, but ALWAYS and for years wake up feeling exhausted, as if I didn't sleep forever. Recently, the extreme lethargy/ sleepiness happens more and more. This described me perfectly. I can't even get out of bed most days until I've been lying in bed for a couple of hours, slowly working my way up to actually standing up lol. And sleep is NEVER restful. I never wake up feeling ready to tackle the day. I think this is pretty standard fare for those of us with long covid, CFS, and fibromyalgia, unfortunately. This stuff is all made worse while in withdrawal, as @Jane318 said above. This is why I recommended finding doses of everything you are taking that you can hold for a few months, and taking your taper VERY slow. When we have other chronic health conditions, tapering slowly and carefully is even more important, so we don't upset things too much. It's hard, I know- I want nothing more than to get off these meds! But I also don't want to lose years of my life to protracted withdrawal (again... I've been down that road once). So moving slowly and carefully is the only way! 1 1995- 2007- On and off multiple antidepressants (Prozac, Paxil, Effexor, Wellbutrin, escitalopram). Memory poor- can’t remember dates. Always tapered fast or CT. 2007- tapered Wellbutrin, zopiclone and escitalopram over one month to get pregnant. Withdrawal hell for many years. 2009- Daughter born 🥰 Post partum depression/psychosis- no meds taken. 2016- Back on escitalopram due to job change/anxiety 2022- Severe covid infection- Diagnosed with long covid 08/22. 2023- 01/23- Long term disability approved for long covid. Started taper under MD advice from 20mg: 11/23- 15mg. 2024- March-10mg. Started low dose naltrexone for long covid-5mg- terrible reaction, reduced to 0.5mg. April- 10mg escitalopram, 1.0mg LDN. May 1- 9.0mg escitalopram, 1.0mg LDN. May 15- 9.0mg escitalopram, 1.5mg LDN. June 12- 8.5mg escitalopram, 1.5mg LDN. July 8- Brassmonkey micro taper started. 8.4mg escitalopram, 1.5mg LDN. July 15- 8.3mg esc, 1.5mg LDN. July 18 8.3mg esc, 2.0mg LDN, July 22 8.2mg esc. 2.0mg LDN. July 29 8.1mg esc. 2.0mg LDN. Aug. 24- 8.0mg Esc. 2.0mg LDN. Aug. 30 7.9mg esc. Sept. 6 7.8mg esc. Sept. 13 7.7mg esc. Sept 21 2.5mg LDN Supplements/other meds: Vitamin D, B12, Claritin, HRT PLEASE DO NOT PM ME! PLEASE ONLY TAG ME FOR URGENT QUESTIONS! Thank you! I am not a doctor. I don't even play one on TV. This is not medical advice, but based on personal experience. Please consult a medical professional. Link to comment
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