Gul16 Posted October 12, 2024 Posted October 12, 2024 (edited) I’m not sure how to start my story. I will try my best, English is not my first language, I may have a lot of mistakes. I started citolopram 2018 after I separated from my partner, it was mild depression. When I think now I would do much better without AD that time but it’s too late to regret. I have never been warned about any consequences and withdrawals from my doctor. June 2023 after a little surgery I had realised something strange happening to me. I was waking up at night around 1 or 2 am with palpitations, cold sweats and feeling of faint. Sometimes ones a week or twice this would happen. I started questioning myself and about anaesthesia and meds that I have been taking. I eliminated all meds one by one other than citolopram. Mid December I have realised that cause of my problems was citolopram. I spoke to my doctor about it, he was sure that citolopram wouldn’t give me side effects but I was determined to quit it. My life was perfectly fine, I have 2 children, I had stable income and lovely people and friends around me, till doctor Cold turkeyd me. I can’t exactly remember mid December to early February I discontinued citoloram. I was felling fine till Mid April even I went for a holiday and I really enjoyed I was so happy and loving life and people. My biggest regret that I wasn’t able to recognise withdrawal and relapse when end of April I have spoken to a doctor and said I’m having very mild anxiety. He assured me that I was relapsing and I should go back on medication again. I reinstated citolapram and my life 360 degrees upside down. I couldn’t tolerate side effects and I admitted myself to a hospital fearing for my life. May 2024 At the hospital they stopped CT citolopram and started mirtazapine, lorezapam and zopiclone. I was at the hospital till mid June but I wasn’t stable, doctors were insisting on taking meds that I would stabilise soon. I would ask my God to end my suffering, I couldn’t sleep, think, eat or care for myself. I was in constant fear. End of June my Family from overseas were insisting on me to go back and get treatment there and be with family. June 18 they bought ticket for me to travel back. No one could recognise me when they saw me, happy confident person had disappeared. July 16 2024 I discontinued all meds again because none of them had worked. Reading success stories is giving me a hope that I will HEAL. Symptoms insomnia worst one anxiety depression Head pressure neck pain thrombing headache nausea Gut issues anger confusion memory issues lost interest in doing anything constant fear Problems with my cycle fatigue Sweating hair loss weight loss unable to enjoy food or anything in life I’m not sure how to continue to battle this and feel hopeful. Im getting weaker and tired. I need some help and support from people who is been through this. Edited October 14, 2024 by Emonda Name to title Started citolopram 20 mg 2018 2023 stopped 15/12-10/02/24 Citolapram 2024 April reinstated citolapram severe adverse reactions 2024 May stopped citolopram 2024 May Mirtazapine and Lorazepam 2024 July 16 stopped all meds Symptoms insomnia worst one anxiety depression headache head pressure migraines and many other symptoms
Administrator Emonda Posted October 15, 2024 Administrator Posted October 15, 2024 Welcome @Gul16 On 10/12/2024 at 10:48 PM, Gul16 said: English is not my first language, I may have a lot of mistakes. English is my only language, and I make heaps of mistakes/typos here 🙃 On 10/12/2024 at 10:48 PM, Gul16 said: I have never been warned about any consequences and withdrawals from my doctor. Most of us are in the same position...we were never warned. We have to accept the position we find ourselves in and move forward. On 10/12/2024 at 10:48 PM, Gul16 said: till doctor Cold turkeyd me. Oh, dear....bad advice from the doctor! On 10/12/2024 at 10:48 PM, Gul16 said: My biggest regret that I wasn’t able to recognise withdrawal and relapse when end of April I have spoken to a doctor and said I’m having very mild anxiety. He assured me that I was relapsing and I should go back on medication again. Many doctors fail to distinguish between WD symptoms and a relapse. On 10/12/2024 at 10:48 PM, Gul16 said: I reinstated citolapram and my life 360 degrees upside down. I couldn’t tolerate side effects and I admitted myself to a hospital fearing for my life. Can you add some detail to your signature please. It sounds as though you reinstated too high a dose and experienced Kindling On 10/12/2024 at 10:48 PM, Gul16 said: At the hospital they stopped CT citolopram and started mirtazapine, lorezapam and zopiclone. More / different drugs is not the solution to WD symptoms/kindling. On 10/12/2024 at 10:48 PM, Gul16 said: Reading success stories is giving me a hope that I will HEAL. You most definitely will recover. It takes time and much patience. On 10/12/2024 at 10:48 PM, Gul16 said: Symptoms All the symptoms you list sound like WD symptoms: Daily Checklist of Antidepressant Withdrawal Symptoms (PDF) Recovery from an AD CT is not linear. There are good days and not-so-good days/weeks/months. This is referred to as the Windows and waves pattern of stabilization. Please come back here to ask more questions...there is so much more I could add, but this is a start. Emonda Please don't send me PMs. I am not a doctor. My comments are based on my personal experience with ADs and tapering. Consult your doctor about your own medical decisions. Start of taper: Jan ’22 Vortioxetine 15mg End year 1: 4.5mg End year 2: 2.38mg End year 3: 1.16mg Year 4: The brassmonkey slide continues...
Gul16 Posted October 15, 2024 Author Posted October 15, 2024 5 hours ago, Emonda said: Welcome @Gul16 English is my only language, and I make heaps of mistakes/typos here 🙃 Most of us are in the same position...we were never warned. We have to accept the position we find ourselves in and move forward. Oh, dear....bad advice from the doctor! Many doctors fail to distinguish between WD symptoms and a relapse. Can you add some detail to your signature please. It sounds as though you reinstated too high a dose and experienced Kindling More / different drugs is not the solution to WD symptoms/kindling. You most definitely will recover. It takes time and much patience. All the symptoms you list sound like WD symptoms: Daily Checklist of Antidepressant Withdrawal Symptoms (PDF) Recovery from an AD CT is not linear. There are good days and not-so-good days/weeks/months. This is referred to as the Windows and waves pattern of stabilization. Please come back here to ask more questions...there is so much more I could add, but this is a start. Emonda THANK YOU EMONDA FOR YOUR RESPONSE I WAS WAITING THAT SOMEONE WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE AND RESPOND IM NOT SURE WHAT TO FEEL AND WHAT TO DO I DO NOT HAVE ANY PEACE SINCE I REINSTATED MEDICATION EVERYDAY IS A CHALLENGE FOR ME TO LIVE I WANT TO HEAL. I live with anxiety and fear of losing myself in this journey. I don’t know how to except new me in this world. I’m into 3 rd month of withdrawal and it’s getting worse and harder day by day. I don’t have any rest from symptoms as my worst symptom is insomnia. I don’t sleep day and night. It is making my symptoms worse. I need help and support. I don’t have any trusting doctor. I just have myself, my old mother and God with me. Started citolopram 20 mg 2018 2023 stopped 15/12-10/02/24 Citolapram 2024 April reinstated citolapram severe adverse reactions 2024 May stopped citolopram 2024 May Mirtazapine and Lorazepam 2024 July 16 stopped all meds Symptoms insomnia worst one anxiety depression headache head pressure migraines and many other symptoms
Jennings Posted October 15, 2024 Posted October 15, 2024 I've been where you are now. It is truly horrible, however I am proof that you can get out of this and live your life again. I also went on an AD for mild stress and was gaslit into oblivion by these mad scientists. All of our experiences are unique but also have similarities. I guarantee you will make it. 2 Med History - 2014 - 2020 - Zoloft, Effexor, Klonopin, Lexapro, Buspar (No longer on any of these) Went to my doctor for an annual and mentioned I was stressed, gave me Zoloft, stopped it after 3 months because it didn't do anything, ended up in withdrawal and was told I had a mental illness. I've been diagnosed Bipolar and Clinically Depressed. Current Med Taper Lamotrigine - 25mg(May 21')->24mg(May 23')->23mg(July 23')->22mg(Aug 23')->21mg(Oct 23')->20mg(Dec 23')-->19mg(5/24)-->18mg(6/24)->17mg(7/24)->16mg(8/24)->15mg(9/24)->14mg(10/24)->13mg(11/24)->12mg(12/24) Supplement: Magnesium, Fish Oil
Gul16 Posted October 15, 2024 Author Posted October 15, 2024 1 hour ago, Jennings said: I've been where you are now. It is truly horrible, however I am proof that you can get out of this and live your life again. I also went on an AD for mild stress and was gaslit into oblivion by these mad scientists. All of our experiences are unique but also have similarities. I guarantee you will make it. Thank you Jennings I appreciate your support, I want make it through and live and be happy again, I don’t want to be on this meds Can I ask how long it took to heal and feel better? Started citolopram 20 mg 2018 2023 stopped 15/12-10/02/24 Citolapram 2024 April reinstated citolapram severe adverse reactions 2024 May stopped citolopram 2024 May Mirtazapine and Lorazepam 2024 July 16 stopped all meds Symptoms insomnia worst one anxiety depression headache head pressure migraines and many other symptoms
Gul16 Posted October 15, 2024 Author Posted October 15, 2024 2 hours ago, Gul16 said: THANK YOU EMONDA FOR YOUR RESPONSE I WAS WAITING THAT SOMEONE WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE AND RESPOND IM NOT SURE WHAT TO FEEL AND WHAT TO DO I DO NOT HAVE ANY PEACE SINCE I REINSTATED MEDICATION EVERYDAY IS A CHALLENGE FOR ME TO LIVE I WANT TO HEAL. I live with anxiety and fear of losing myself in this journey. I don’t know how to except new me in this world. I’m into 3 rd month of withdrawal and it’s getting worse and harder day by day. I don’t have any rest from symptoms as my worst symptom is insomnia. I don’t sleep day and night. It is making my symptoms worse. I need help and support. I don’t have any trusting doctor. I just have myself, my old mother and God with me. I’m not on any medication at the moment. Only few days ago I started taking a half pill of zopiclone for sleep because I couldn’t handle it anymore. I have tried melatonin it didn’t help. Im taking Magnesium glycinate and Omega3 but not seeing great help. I quit everything that seems to be unhealthy I don’t drink coffee no alcohol no sugar. Started citolopram 20 mg 2018 2023 stopped 15/12-10/02/24 Citolapram 2024 April reinstated citolapram severe adverse reactions 2024 May stopped citolopram 2024 May Mirtazapine and Lorazepam 2024 July 16 stopped all meds Symptoms insomnia worst one anxiety depression headache head pressure migraines and many other symptoms
Administrator Emonda Posted October 16, 2024 Administrator Posted October 16, 2024 16 hours ago, Gul16 said: Only few days ago I started taking a half pill of zopiclone for sleep because I couldn’t handle it anymore. You need to be very careful adding more pills. You can end up creating a bigger problem. Please add what you have taken to your signature. Have a read of some of the success stories. That's what I do when I need some encouragement. Please don't send me PMs. I am not a doctor. My comments are based on my personal experience with ADs and tapering. Consult your doctor about your own medical decisions. Start of taper: Jan ’22 Vortioxetine 15mg End year 1: 4.5mg End year 2: 2.38mg End year 3: 1.16mg Year 4: The brassmonkey slide continues...
Jennings Posted October 16, 2024 Posted October 16, 2024 I ended up getting on Lamotrigine and I felt better after about a year. Now I'm slowly coming off of that with minimal problems. I'll keep going down 10% until I'm off for good. Med History - 2014 - 2020 - Zoloft, Effexor, Klonopin, Lexapro, Buspar (No longer on any of these) Went to my doctor for an annual and mentioned I was stressed, gave me Zoloft, stopped it after 3 months because it didn't do anything, ended up in withdrawal and was told I had a mental illness. I've been diagnosed Bipolar and Clinically Depressed. Current Med Taper Lamotrigine - 25mg(May 21')->24mg(May 23')->23mg(July 23')->22mg(Aug 23')->21mg(Oct 23')->20mg(Dec 23')-->19mg(5/24)-->18mg(6/24)->17mg(7/24)->16mg(8/24)->15mg(9/24)->14mg(10/24)->13mg(11/24)->12mg(12/24) Supplement: Magnesium, Fish Oil
Gul16 Posted October 16, 2024 Author Posted October 16, 2024 7 hours ago, Emonda said: You need to be very careful adding more pills. You can end up creating a bigger problem. Please add what you have taken to your signature. Have a read of some of the success stories. That's what I do when I need some encouragement. I did not want to add any extra pills but I felt I need some rest and sleep. I wasn’t sure what else I could do to help myself. Is there anyone else as me who is struggling with severe insomnia? I would happily communicate and get more tips. Started citolopram 20 mg 2018 2023 stopped 15/12-10/02/24 Citolapram 2024 April reinstated citolapram severe adverse reactions 2024 May stopped citolopram 2024 May Mirtazapine and Lorazepam 2024 July 16 stopped all meds Symptoms insomnia worst one anxiety depression headache head pressure migraines and many other symptoms
Gul16 Posted October 16, 2024 Author Posted October 16, 2024 4 hours ago, Jennings said: I ended up getting on Lamotrigine and I felt better after about a year. Now I'm slowly coming off of that with minimal problems. I'll keep going down 10% until I'm off for good. My prayers are towards your success in this journey and recovery Started citolopram 20 mg 2018 2023 stopped 15/12-10/02/24 Citolapram 2024 April reinstated citolapram severe adverse reactions 2024 May stopped citolopram 2024 May Mirtazapine and Lorazepam 2024 July 16 stopped all meds Symptoms insomnia worst one anxiety depression headache head pressure migraines and many other symptoms
LostInCanada Posted October 16, 2024 Posted October 16, 2024 Please read through this thread for help with insomnia. Please avoid alcohol, caffeine even in chocolate or green tea, refined sugar, msg, sodium nitrates like found in processed deli meats, etc. Whole foods are best. 20-60 minute gentle walk in nature can be helpful. Be kind, gentle and accepting of yourself. You will heal with time. ♥️🙏 You might want to add a good fish oil with EPA and DHA. Also magnesium bisglycinate is good for most of us. Add one at a time to make sure there is no reaction. These are the only 2 supplements encouraged on this site. 1 I am not a medical professional. My comments are based on my personal experience and information on this site. 2016-twice weekly for a couple months-oxazepam 10 mg sleep/ 2020-22-once a week 3.75-7.5 mg Zopiclone for sleep/20 yr+ Paroxetine/ Dec2018-May 2022 20 mg/ May 2022 30mg/2022.07.28-2022.08.24 30mg to 0mg/ August 24-29 2022 10mg Prozac/2022.11.28-2022.12.04- 5mg Paroxetine/Dec 5&6/22 10mg Paroxetine/ Dec 8&9/22 10mg Prozac/ 2022.12.07 to 2023.07.01 5mg Paroxetine TAPER 23.07.02-58mgpw/4.9mgai/ 23.07.21-4.8mg/23.07.28-4.73mg/23.08.04-4.65mg /21.09.23-4.58 mg/27.10.23-4.56 mg/5.12.23-4.54 mg/2.1.24-4.52 mg/9.1.24-4.51 mg/17.1.24-4.49 mg/26.1.24-4.47mg/6.2.24-4.46mg/ 19.2.24-4.44mg /4.4.24-4.43mg/28.4.24-4.4 mg/5.5.24-4.39 mg/19.5.24-4.36 mg/2.7.24-4.34 mg/9.7.24-4.32mg/31.7.24-4.3 mg/ 1.10.24 -4.29mg/27.11.24-4.25 mg/5.12.24-4.22mg/5.1.25-4.17mg/ 8am-probiotics/9am-paroxetine, 200mg mag bisglycinate/ 1000mg Vitamin D/5pm-75 mg DGL/200mg calcium citrate/0.25 mcg melatonin nightly "... your strength will be in keeping calm..."-Isaiah 30:15
Administrator Emonda Posted October 17, 2024 Administrator Posted October 17, 2024 16 hours ago, Gul16 said: Is there anyone else as me who is struggling with severe insomnia? I think most of us struggle with sleep. It is a very common WD symptom. I listen to quiet, calming music while awake in the middle of the night to distract my racing mind. I try not to worry about it. With time, it'll improve. Please don't send me PMs. I am not a doctor. My comments are based on my personal experience with ADs and tapering. Consult your doctor about your own medical decisions. Start of taper: Jan ’22 Vortioxetine 15mg End year 1: 4.5mg End year 2: 2.38mg End year 3: 1.16mg Year 4: The brassmonkey slide continues...
Gul16 Posted November 11, 2024 Author Posted November 11, 2024 Hello Everyone, Today is 117 days off all meds. I need your help and advice. I feel like I’m losing the battle, I’m getting wicker day by day. I’m not sleeping, lost a lot of weight, crippled by anxiety, I have numbness, tightness on my neck and back of my head, found out that I developed stomach ulcers that I never had before. Losing My Hope. Far away from my family. From fear and anxiety I can’t take a flight back to my family. Please I need help I did gene test for antidepressants and I received results. All those antidepressants that I have been on were causing me adverse effects. I received prescription for Prozac capsule 20 mg apparently it wouldn’t cause me adverse effects that what my results says,but I’m not sure about it. I’m scared, confused and lonely. I don’t trust doctors anymore what should I do please help. Gul Started citolopram 20 mg 2018 2023 stopped 15/12-10/02/24 Citolapram 2024 April reinstated citolapram severe adverse reactions 2024 May stopped citolopram 2024 May Mirtazapine and Lorazepam 2024 July 16 stopped all meds Symptoms insomnia worst one anxiety depression headache head pressure migraines and many other symptoms
Administrator Emonda Posted November 11, 2024 Administrator Posted November 11, 2024 Welcome back @Gul16 I've moved your new post here to your own topic. 13 minutes ago, Gul16 said: I feel like I’m losing the battle, How you feel today is not permanent. Things will improve with time and patience. 20 minutes ago, Gul16 said: crippled by anxiety, Emotional Spirals Non-drug coping strategies I find breathing exercises on Spotify helpful when anxiety is problematic. 21 minutes ago, Gul16 said: ’m not sleeping, Melatonin for sleep 13 minutes ago, Gul16 said: Far away from my family. Do you have friends in AUS that you can talk to face to face? Being on your own should be avoided if possible. Can family come to visit you? 15 minutes ago, Gul16 said: All those antidepressants that I have been on were causing me adverse effects. That sounds like a good reason not to try those again. 16 minutes ago, Gul16 said: I received prescription for Prozac capsule 20 mg apparently it wouldn’t cause me adverse effects that what my results says, I can't comment on this. The site can only provide info on tapering ADs, and sometimes reinstating very small amounts of the same AD previously used. 16 minutes ago, Gul16 said: but I’m not sure about it. 17 minutes ago, Gul16 said: I don’t trust doctors anymore Likewise. Keep fighting, my friend. Emonda Please don't send me PMs. I am not a doctor. My comments are based on my personal experience with ADs and tapering. Consult your doctor about your own medical decisions. Start of taper: Jan ’22 Vortioxetine 15mg End year 1: 4.5mg End year 2: 2.38mg End year 3: 1.16mg Year 4: The brassmonkey slide continues...
Gul16 Posted November 11, 2024 Author Posted November 11, 2024 Hello Emonda, Citolapram and mirtazipine that I previously was on caused adverse reactions and put me to this state, also it showed that on my gene testing that I can’t tolerate them. I don’t want to be on any meds but I want stabilise myself then taper very very slow. My situation back home isn’t stable financially . I have 2 kids to look after, I miss them dearly. Nothing is working out for me. I thought if I start small dose of Prozac may help with stability so I can taper off more slowly and wisely. How can I make liquid from capsules? Please advise Started citolopram 20 mg 2018 2023 stopped 15/12-10/02/24 Citolapram 2024 April reinstated citolapram severe adverse reactions 2024 May stopped citolopram 2024 May Mirtazapine and Lorazepam 2024 July 16 stopped all meds Symptoms insomnia worst one anxiety depression headache head pressure migraines and many other symptoms
Gul16 Posted November 11, 2024 Author Posted November 11, 2024 3 hours ago, Emonda said: 3 hours ago, Emonda said: Melatonin for sleep I have tried before did not work, I will try again 3 hours ago, Emonda said: Started citolopram 20 mg 2018 2023 stopped 15/12-10/02/24 Citolapram 2024 April reinstated citolapram severe adverse reactions 2024 May stopped citolopram 2024 May Mirtazapine and Lorazepam 2024 July 16 stopped all meds Symptoms insomnia worst one anxiety depression headache head pressure migraines and many other symptoms
Claudelex Posted January 10 Posted January 10 How are you feeling @Gul16? 1 10 June 2024 Zoloft 75mg 7 May 2024 Zoloft 50mg - direct switch from Lexapro 20mg. 2009 to 6 May 2024 Lexapro, started at 10mg and increased to 20mg for at least 8 years Beta blocker metoprolol Sept 2023 to 4 Aug 2024. Commenced at 100mg per day, then 50 mg from Dec 2023 then tapered during July and start of August 2024 to zero. I have taken the odd diazepam but not often.
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