Moderator Erimus Posted October 16 Moderator Posted October 16 (edited) Neuropsychopharmacology. Epub 2019 Oct 24. DOI: 10.1038/s41386-019-0554-x Impact of CYP2C19 genotype on sertraline exposure in 1200 Scandinavian patients Bråten L, Haslemo T, Jukic M, Ingelman-Sundberg M, Molden E, Kringen M K. Abstract Sertraline is an (SSRI-)antidepressant metabolized by the polymorphic CYP2C19 enzyme. The aim of this study was to investigate the impact of CYP2C19 genotype on the serum concentrations of sertraline in a large patient population. Second, the proportions of patients in the various CYP2C19 genotype-defined subgroups obtaining serum concentrations outside the therapeutic range of sertraline were assessed. A total of 2190 sertraline serum concentration measurements from 1202 patients were included retrospectively from the drug monitoring database at Diakonhjemmet Hospital in Oslo. The patients were divided into CYP2C19 genotype-predicted phenotype subgroups, i.e. normal (NMs), ultra rapid (UMs), intermediate (IMs), and poor metabolisers (PMs). The differences in dose-harmonized serum concentrations of sertraline and N-desmethylsertraline-to-sertraline metabolic ratio were compared between the subgroups, with CYP2C19 NMs set as reference. The patient proportions outside the therapeutic concentration range were also compared between the subgroups with NMs defined as reference. Compared with the CYP2C19 NMs, the sertraline serum concentration was increased 1.38-fold (95% CI 1.26–1.50) and 2.68-fold (95% CI 2.16–3.31) in CYP2C19 IMs and PMs, respectively (p < 0.001), while only a marginally lower serum concentration (−10%) was observed in CYP2C19 UMs (p = 0.012). The odds ratio for having a sertraline concentration above the therapeutic reference range was 1.97 (95% CI 1.21–3.21, p = 0.064) and 8.69 (95% CI 3.88–19.19, p < 0.001) higher for IMs and PMs vs. NMs, respectively. CYP2C19 IMs and PMs obtain significantly higher serum concentrations of sertraline than NMs. Based on the relative differences in serum concentrations compared to NMs, dose reductions of 60% and 25% should be considered in PMs and IMs, respectively, to reduce the risk of sertraline overexposure in these patients. Free full text: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31649299/ Comment: This study gives you an idea of how vastly different serum concentrations of sertraline can be for different metabolisers of the drug. A poor metaboliser taking 50mg could see up to 2.7 fold increases in serum concentration compared to a normal metaboliser, so you can see where the serotonin toxicity starts to become a problem. Poor metabolisers should have dose reductions of 60% to compensate for this, meaning instead of being tested on 50mg like the rest of the population, the starting point should be 20mg. Perhaps with wider spread genetic testing the number of severe adverse reactions to medication could be reduced. Edited October 16 by Erimus 3 Taper calculator spreadsheet PSYCHIATRIC MEDICATION: 1) Sertraline: 58mgai // 0.184gpw - [42% reduced] 50mg - Oct 2020, 100mg - Dec 2020, 50mg - Apr 2021, 75mg - May 2021, 50mg - Sep 2021, 2 year 5 month hold, 55mg - 23 Feb 2024, 60mg - 20 Mar 2024, Start tapering - 24 Apr 2024, reached 52.5mg before crashing hard - 13 Aug 2024, Reinstate back to 58mg and hold - 29 Aug 2024, Split dose in two - late Nov 2024. 2) Mirtazapine: 15mg 15mg - Nov 2020 OTHER MEDICATION: 1) Omeprazole: 10mg 20mg - April 2016, on and off for 3.5 years, 20mg - Aug 2019, 40mg - June 2021, 20mg - April 2022, 10mg - July 2022 SUPPLEMENTS: Cod liver oil, Magnesium glycinate, Vitamin C
Vancouver1986 Posted Friday at 07:52 PM Posted Friday at 07:52 PM On 10/16/2024 at 7:36 AM, Erimus said: Perhaps with wider spread genetic testing the number of severe adverse reactions to medication could be reduced. I've thoroughly looked up information for all of my garbage 'medications' on go.drugbank.com many many times since late 2021. But this type of info is also interesting to look into if I'd like. I've already found so many articles on I.R. Seroquel, X.R. Seroquel, Pristiq, etc - regarding Pharmacodynamics and Pharmacokinetics. I've had to in order to help Psychiatrists/Psych Wards/In-Patient Facilities help me. I was still medically gaslit about iatrogenic inuries and acute w/d. But at least I showed more assertiveness and self-assuredness and self-aware and looked in to things and didn't blindly trust. I could've been even more Poly-Drugged. But I was still only Poly-Drugged because I was unwell on nonsense Rx's my physiology was already in a chemical dependence to to advocate harder. It's an incredibly vulnerable state to be in, eh? It's literally the exact same story for all of us victims/survivors of Psychotropic Pharmaceuticals. Keep advocating for yourself. Current: #1: Pristiq since 2012 (besides when trying others when I asked, although there should just be 1 single "anti-depressant" Rx or OTC). Living with side-effects (ME/CFS, partial-insomnia 95% of the time, constant drippy-nose/snot to blow out.) Raised to 100mg in Feb 2021 because I'm starting to think 50mg became ineffective because of increased fatigue, pains, pulls, workplace injuries. #2: Before-bed: 50mg I.R. Seroquel (since July 2021 due to a horrific limbic system reaction to Norethindrone Acetate Pregnancy Control Pill.) #3: Before-bed: 50mg X.R. Seroquel (added in Nov 2022 at 3rd in-patient stay w/in 6 months because I was withdrawing so severely from a few unnecessary Prescriptions at the same time and Lamictal intro + doubled it twice getting worse and worse) #4: 100mg Pristiq (Raised in Feb 2021 because I'm now starting to think 50mg became ineffective.) #5: 300mg AM + 300mg Bed Gabapentin. Asked for it during 2nd in-patient stay for ME/CFS. Now realize the ME/CFS is probably because of the Pristiq itself. Past: Late 2021/2022: Abilify - anxiety. Lasted on it less than a week. Rexulti - suicidal ideation. Lasted on it less than a week. Latuda - at first, hypomanic. Soon thereafter: severe depressed, couldn't work/socialize, & wanted to drink. Sweat the bed every night. Horrific to come off of. "Agony". Divalproex - 3/day made me wonky/off, long-term partner said. 4 doses/day made me anxious within days & went back down to 3/day. Horrific to be ripped off of. 2014-2017: Cipralex, Celexa, Zoloft, etc: Anxiety, Irritable, OCD, Intrusive thoughts, Diarhea, etc. Prozac: made me paranoid. Paxil: felt like I was on bath-salts. Never knew about the Psych Ward so never went. Cymbalta (xxxmg): Almost numb body, flat, no appetite. Effexor 112.5mg: High as a kite, sweat the bed every night, partial-insomnia, multiple car accidents (not with anyone), appetite suppressed, almost numb body, constant Putrid Flatulence, clitoral numbness, unable to orgasm, Wellbutrin: great energy, no pain, appetite suppressed, felt like I had Autism within a few days of taking it & had to stop. Asked for a way smaller dose to help with my pains/fatigue, & he didn't get back to me. 2022-2024: 50mg Lamictal (raised 2x within 1 week but went along with it because I was so unwell with withdrawal + getting worse and worse as dosage increased & had to give me 2 Tranquilizers - PRN xxmg Xylac & Seroquel X.R..) Tapering instructions were outdated and was a horrific experience. November 2023: tried swapping the 50mg I.R. for additional 50mg X.R. pushing it for 1.5 weeks. Tranquilizing went away, but TD shot way up and became extremely depressed. Took 2 weeks to return to homeostasis after swapping back. Mid March 2024: attempted a 13th & final withdrawal from 50mg I.R. Seroquel: Liquid taper, because in-patient places + myself only tried a 1/4 pill reduction. It made me admit myself to the 'Psych Ward' a few times because it was so horrific. Also recently learned more about Seroquel (H1 & D2) & Histamine. Low-histamine diet ineffective. Liquid taper almost killed me. Pushed it 1.5 weeks. Took 4-6 weeks to return to homeostasis. Never took myself to 'Psych Ward', because they cannot do anything. Late July 2024: removed one 25mg Seroquel pill: wanted to break up with my boyfriend, odd libido (not ovulation). Eventually went back up to both pills. Eventually returned to homeostasis. Early July 2024: Yaz - removed Tranquilizing once it kicked in + great energy + feet pain gone. 5 days before starting to go into Lamictal withdrawal (50% of people in double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled study did). I recognize it from when I got home from in-patient that gave me Lamictal and was unwell and decreased 1 of the 2 Lamictal pills by 1/2 and went horribly wrong and eventually had to take myself to the Psych Ward, even after reinstating the full 2 pills. I wanted to go back to a facility, so they could take me off of the Lamictal, and I was denied. 3 times in 1 year was the limit. I even saw my former Psychiatrist while in Lamictal withdrawal, and he said that Lamictal doesn't have withdrawal. He even once said that you can safely just stop taking Seroquel.
LukeUK Posted Sunday at 08:54 AM Posted Sunday at 08:54 AM It's totally ridiculous that science doesn't have a clear idea of how these drugs work, and that the work to figure that out is being done decades after they're introduced. 1 15mg Remeron/Mirtazapine November starting 2022 (severe physical side effects) Attempted to taper off January 2023, ended up having a major breakdown and going up to 30mg, took weeks to stabilise 1 month taper to 0mg Last dose April 2023 Severe withdrawal syndrome with many physical symptoms Summary: 5 months using Mirtazapine, including 1 month taper ending late April 2023. Severe withdrawal since.
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