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Oh I see--that makes sense.

 

I eat a lot of spinach too, almost every day for breakfast, plus other leafy greens. And will be doing so even more now that the garden's coming up--probably lots of chard all summer. I may just quit using the magnesium spray for a while and see what happens, or go to just a couple of times a week with it.  Thanks for the heads up about it. 

Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

2/12/20             12                       0.045               0.007                   1 

May 2021            7                       0.01                  0.0037                1

Feb 2022            6                      0!!!                     0.00167               0.98                2.5 mg Ambien

Oct 2022       4.5 mg Lamictal    (off Celexa, off Xanax)   0.95 Valium    Ambien, 1/4 to 1/2 of a 5 mg tablet 

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.

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Stopping the magnesium altogether is probably your best bet.  I felt remarkably better after only two or three days off the stuff. If you don't notice any difference in a week, the fatigue is probably due to something else, but you may be pleasantly surprised to feel a lot better. I doubt that being off of the mag for a week would do any harm.

Psychotropic drug history: Pristiq 50 mg. (mid-September 2010 through February 2011), Remeron (mid-September 2010 through January 2011), Lexapro 10 mg. (mid-February 2011 through mid-December 2011), Lorazepam (Ativan) 1 mg. as needed mid-September 2010 through early March 2012

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Magnesium citrate and magnesium glyconate are supposed to be the most biologically available and effective, but I think they're more expensive. Here's some info on magnesium oxide

 

Wow, I didn't realize that a person could do themselves in with magnesium.  Sure explains the symptoms I was having.

Psychotropic drug history: Pristiq 50 mg. (mid-September 2010 through February 2011), Remeron (mid-September 2010 through January 2011), Lexapro 10 mg. (mid-February 2011 through mid-December 2011), Lorazepam (Ativan) 1 mg. as needed mid-September 2010 through early March 2012

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Introduction: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1588-introducing-jemima/

 

Success Story: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/6263-success-jemima-survives-lexapro-and-dr-dickhead-too/

Please note that I am not a medical professional and my advice is based on personal experience, reading, and anecdotal information posted by other sufferers.

 

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Magnesium citrate and magnesium glyconate are supposed to be the most biologically available and effective, but I think they're more expensive. Here's some info on magnesium oxide

 

Wow, I didn't realize that a person could do themselves in with magnesium.  Sure explains the symptoms I was having.

I guess your referring to the link you posted which includes this

"

What happens if I overdose?

Seek emergency medical attention.

Symptoms of an magnesium oxide overdose include nausea, vomiting, flushing, low blood pressure, a slow heartbeat, drowsiness, coma, and death."

 

After the time I have had with the atenolol I know it already... think they do the same thing.  

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Magnesium citrate and magnesium glyconate are supposed to be the most biologically available and effective, but I think they're more expensive. Here's some info on magnesium oxide

 

Wow, I didn't realize that a person could do themselves in with magnesium.  Sure explains the symptoms I was having.

Jemima, How much were you taking when it made you symptomatic?

 

 

I think I was up to 400 mg., which I've since found out is the dose recommended for a man. (I'm small, even for a woman, and would be a blimp if I ate 2000 calories a day, everyday.)  I was--and am--also taking Isradipine 2.5 mg. twice a day, a calcium channel blocker which has been a very effective blood pressure medication for me.  I can't take magnesium at all now without experiencing the side effects I was having, although they're weaker at lower doses.

Psychotropic drug history: Pristiq 50 mg. (mid-September 2010 through February 2011), Remeron (mid-September 2010 through January 2011), Lexapro 10 mg. (mid-February 2011 through mid-December 2011), Lorazepam (Ativan) 1 mg. as needed mid-September 2010 through early March 2012

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Hanlon's Razor


Introduction: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1588-introducing-jemima/

 

Success Story: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/6263-success-jemima-survives-lexapro-and-dr-dickhead-too/

Please note that I am not a medical professional and my advice is based on personal experience, reading, and anecdotal information posted by other sufferers.

 

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I can't seem to take it at all. I wonder what balances magnesium.. maybe I am low in that.. and high in mag already. 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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read this about phosporous still clueless...

http://www.bodybio.com/content.aspx?page=Mineral-balance-Calmag-phosphorus

 

Did take note of this tho... 

" A caveat in this regard is to keep an eye out for phosphate-containing laxatives, particularly those given prior to a colonoscopy."

I have used a lot of this due to a per surgery condition and post surgery condition .. in the past year.  

Makes me wonder.

Think I will switch it... to something else. 

 

and this again...

phospholipid,the word keeps popping up in relation to withdrawal time after time... low 

. Phosphorus, as phospholipid, makes up the cell membrane and, in other compounds, provides energy as adenosine triphosphate.  In a diet low in magnesium, the ingestion of high amounts of fructose will compromise and lower phosphorus levels, upsetting acid-base balance and increasing urinary loss (Milne, 2000). Phosphorus is absorbed in the small intestine; excess is taken up by the kidneys. Increased intake of phosphorus as phosphoric acid from soft drinks and phosphate additives in a number of foods is a topic of recent concern. High phosphate reduces the formation of the active form of vitamin D (calcitriol) in the kidneys and reduces blood levels of calcium. Whether or not this affects bone mineral density is not an issue if there is adequate calcium and magnesium in the diet (Grimm, 2001)

"low vit d too which I can't seem to tolerate supplementing... one day I will figure this out.

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Thank you Jemima and btdt:the one I`ve been taking is Mag.Gluconate (I think)250mgs. and it was ok.

Now I bought this bottle from GNC and it`s Mag,Oxide.500mgs.

For what I read it is the cheapest and less effective...

We don`t have too many choices here in Costa Rica.

I can get another brand via Internet.

My question is:is Mag.Oxide BAD or just cheap?

 

There's nothing bad about magnesium oxide that I know of unless you take too much. I think it may be more difficult for your body to use, or in other words you may have to take more to get the same results as you would with magnesium citrate or glyconate, which means you'd also be swallowing more "fillers", supposedly inert stuff that doesn' affect a person. I see from my Google search that 400-800 mg. is the usual dose for magnesium oxide, whereas 400 mg. of magnesium citrate is the Daily Value for men. It may be that magnesium oxide isn't actually cheaper because a person has to take more for the same effects. :o  GNC generally makes good quality vitamins.

Psychotropic drug history: Pristiq 50 mg. (mid-September 2010 through February 2011), Remeron (mid-September 2010 through January 2011), Lexapro 10 mg. (mid-February 2011 through mid-December 2011), Lorazepam (Ativan) 1 mg. as needed mid-September 2010 through early March 2012

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Hanlon's Razor


Introduction: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1588-introducing-jemima/

 

Success Story: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/6263-success-jemima-survives-lexapro-and-dr-dickhead-too/

Please note that I am not a medical professional and my advice is based on personal experience, reading, and anecdotal information posted by other sufferers.

 

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Sharing an interesting article on magnesium and possible mechanisms of action in helping mental health: http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com/2010/10/magnesium-and-brain.htmlhttp://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com/2010/10/magnesium-and-brain.html

  • SSRIs 3-4 times in the last 14 years; would take them for 6-8 months and then taper off under dr supervision with no problems.
  • Med history prior to 2015: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/6012-newbeginning-my-withdrawal-story/?p=267313#entry267313
  • 04/2015: Prozac decreased to 15mg over last 3 months; effexor held steady at 8mg; current effexor XR: 20 beads of a 75mg capsule per day (about 8mg)
  • 06/2015: Prozac: 10mg; effexor XR: 19 beads (about 7.5mg); 07/2015: Prozac: 8.5mg; effexor 18 beads; 08/2015: Prozac: 7.5mg; effexor: 17 beads
  • End of August: withdrawal: depressive symptoms, crying spells. Realized I was measuring prozac dose wrong for the last 2 months. Reinstated Prozac 8.5mg; Kept effexor at 17 beads. Stabilized in 5 weeks.
  • 10/2015: Prozac: 8.5mg; effexor: 17 beads11/2015: Prozac: 1.9ml (7.5mg); effexor: 16 beads12/2015: Prozac: 1.6ml; effexor xr: 16 beads. Withdrawal: neuroemotions
  • 01/2016: prozac: 1.6ml; effexor xr: reinstated 17 beads, withdrawal improved; 02/2016: Prozac 1.5ml; Effexor: 17 beads; 03/2016: Prozac 1.3ml(5mg); Effexor: 17 beads (7mg)-withdrawal (flu-like malaise, lightheaded, drowsy) started end of March. April 15: reinstated Prozac 1.5ml. Stabilized. 2 weeks ok. End of April: Withdrawal (neuroemotions). Eventually stabilized in April-May. Apathy improved.
  • 3 month hold until August. August 2016: apathy came back;

  • October 2016: updosed to Prozac 1.6ml. Bad reaction: anxiety, depression. End of October: went down Prozac 1.5ml. Stabilized over several weeks.

  • Dec 9: tried macca for energy: anxiety/depression. Improved over several weeks, but not completely resolved.

  • Dec 31: cut Effexor 5% to 16 beads. After 9 days: withdrawal anxiety, depression; tried updosing to 17 beads Feb 7 but anxiety got worse; went down to 16 beads

    May 2017: Anxiety improved; severe depression continuesSeptember 2017: finally stabilized!!!!!! 09/07/2017-12/31/2017: hold

  • Stable on Effexor 6mg and Prozac 6mg until around 2019-2020. Side effects (fatigue, anhedonia) continued, but had some long lasting windows thanks to therapy. Windows lasting 5-6 months each year followed by relapses.

  • 2019: bad reaction to melatonin 3 mg. Withdrawal after taking it 2 months. When I tried to stop it developed severe insomnia that lasted 6 months even after I reinstated melatonin. Only slept again because I took hydroxyzine 5 mg 3 times a week for few months. Stopped hydroxyzine with no issues. Sleep normalized.

  • 2020-2021: Holding on Prozac 6mg, Effexor 6mg, Tapered melatonin 1 drop every 2-4 weeks down to 1.5mg. Had to hold because further cuts were causing severe drowsiness. 

  • 2021: Insomnia returned due to caffeine use for few months (only started after months of use). I also had a concussion at this time.

  • 2023: took hydroxyzine 5-100mg for one month (kept increasing dose every 3 days because I developed tolerance). Tapered for 1 week. After 1 month: withdrawal neuroemotions. Reinstated 5mg 2 months after stopping. Gradually increased to 25mg, stabilized, but withdrawal came back after 10 days. Kept increasing dose and withdrawal returning. Currently at 40mg. Not sure how to stabilize. 

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Is magnesium good for blood pressure, when salt has to be limited if BP is high? 

I had to stop my magnesium 2 weeks ago when I got a bout of diarrhoea. I started the magnesium

again yesterday. Checked my BP today and it is high .  Could this be the lack of magnesium or because

I've restarted it? Or maybe not connected?  I haven't checked my BP for  2 months because I couldn't

find the monitor but it was fine through the stress of packing and house hunting and I was taking it then.  

 

I need to go and see the gp but don't want to go with high blood pressure because I don't want any 

more drugs! 

 My blood pressure dropped to normal levels after a few days back on the magnesium.

and has remained stable   :)

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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Is magnesium good for blood pressure, when salt has to be limited if BP is high? 

I had to stop my magnesium 2 weeks ago when I got a bout of diarrhoea. I started the magnesium

again yesterday. Checked my BP today and it is high .  Could this be the lack of magnesium or because

I've restarted it? Or maybe not connected?  I haven't checked my BP for  2 months because I couldn't

find the monitor but it was fine through the stress of packing and house hunting and I was taking it then.  

 

I need to go and see the gp but don't want to go with high blood pressure because I don't want any 

more drugs! 

 My blood pressure dropped to normal levels after a few days back on the magnesium.

and has remained stable   :)

 

So you had the runs about two wks after this

.Tapering Tramadol from May 28/14 

May be related and worth keeping an eye on... going down in dose may also have affected you bp. Just a thought. 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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I have been having good luck with mag citrate 125 mg mid-morning and mid-afternoon.

 

Massive caps, so I crush it open in my mouth to extract the contents and spit out the cap. The stuff inside tastes a little like potting soil (don't ask :-) ) but it's not really objectionable, swallowed with liquid. Seems to have a calming effect, and constipation is much less of an issue these days. (Flax seed also helps there.)

 

Nature Made brand. It is a little pricey but I get by with coupons. Personally, I don't plan to dose above 250 mg.

04/2013 diagnoses: severe insomnia, major depressive disorder, anxiety disorder, agoraphobia. PTSD (my diagnosis)

Original scripts: 30 mg mirtazapine (Remeron) (1x day), 75 mg Bupropion HCL (Wellbutrin) (2x day), and 0.5 lorazepam (1x day or as needed)

05/05/14: Onset of acute Wellbutrin withdrawal symptoms after haphazard "taper" of 6-8 wks.

05/10/14: Joined this site.

05/11/14: Reinstated approx. 25 mg Wellbutrin (1x day)

05/14/14: Switched to 12.5 mg Wellbutrin (2x day)

06/28/14: Changed lorazepam dosing to .25 mg 2x a day - seems to be reducing anxiety flare-ups

07/28/14: Dosing Wellbutrin in a (home made) solution form 12.5 mg (2x day) 08/15/14: Remeron 28 25.2 22.7 20.5 18.5 16.7 15.1 13.6 mg (home made) solution

05/16/15: Have been dosing lorazepam at .5 mg in the morning, .25 mg in the afternoon, and .25 mg at bedtime. Anxiety has increased somewhat, possibly due to tolerance.

 

 

 

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I always seem to react badly to magnesium...no matter what sort I take. It affects my sleep, and I wake up feeling horrible the next morning. How odd! 

Off Lexapro since 3rd November 2011.

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The last time I tried it I laid like a lump on the couch for two days it was too much effort to get up. 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Magnesium has worked better than a prescription muscle relaxer. I have a minor case of spina bifida. It doesn't keep me from walking yet. I have spondylolthesis n osteoporosis. My lower back has not been cracked in over ten years, the last time I let a chiropractor do it. It resulted in me being incapable of walking for weeks. So I always have muscle tension.

I also have looked back at my childhood in regards to anxiety. I can remember being like 5 n watching tv shows like silver spoons, facts of life, even Scooby doo. When the episodes had any part about the unknown, or them doing something wrong, I feared for the worst inside, I would get sick to my stomach n feel upset. I guess that I've finally realized that I have always had anxiety .

To the point, my anxiety was so bad about four weeks into my invega withdrawal, I had extreme muscle tension which was aggravated by the anxiety.

Kava kava n magnesium are God's natural remedies. I have NEVER experienced having my muscles so relaxed n feeling ok. It's amazing. I highly recommend trying it.

Sorry for the ramble.

Was on antidepressants on and off from 2000-2007 dx with MDD n anxiety.

2009- had like a physical breakdown. Was exhausted n not functioning properly. Still have depression n had become suicidal. Shrink dx bipolar while I never had a single manic episode. I got at least 8-9 hours of sleep every night. I required that to function since a child. I was admitted to the psych ward immediately. Was then put on a cocktail.

Lithium, lamotrigine, wellbutrin, prozac, depakote, Xanax, trazadone and ritalin.

Went through over 50 shock treatments n put on Invega in addition

Spring 2014, made the decision to try to get off some meds.

11 weeks ago I qt quit invega

10/6 reinstated 150 mg of Wellbutrin

I currently take 40 mg of prozac, 300 mg of lamotrigine, 1 mg of Xanax, 150 mg of trazadone

I am down from three medications. The forementioned others that I was initially put on I stopped prior to 2014.

I am hoping to be med free one day. I do not have any intention of stopping the current ones right now. I'm going to give my body a little more time to adjust.

Progress not perfection!!

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I had not heard of Kava Kava before so looked it up it has been banned in Canada where I live. 

Just so people are aware of the risks 

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-872-kava.aspx?activeingredientid=872&activeingredientname=kava

 

"

Kava is a plant native to the South Pacific. The root is used for medicine.

There are some BIG safety concerns about kava. Many cases of liver damage and even some deaths have been traced to kava use. As a result, kava has been banned from the market in Switzerland, Germany, and Canada, and several other countries are considering similar action. This ban has hurt the economies of Pacific Island countries that export kava."

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Thanks BTDT! I had read something along those lines about both kava n valerian root messing with how your liver processes n also valerian as well as kava both cause changes in the time that enzymes are broken down in the liver. I am in NO way suggesting someone take something dangerous for them.

I was looking for anything, not a drug illegal or legal, that could help me relax. My gp prescribed me vistaril to take that in addition to my xanax and trazadone. I really didn't want to take it in fear that I would get hooked on something else. I just wanted to sleep!! If only for an hour, I would be happy. I took it. 30 min later I felt like my body was paralyzed but it felt so good to not have the terrible muscle tension. 15 min later. WIDE AWAKE HEART RACING SHORTNESS OF BREATH N CHEST PAINS. I was told this med would STOP it. So another 12 hours I was desperate for sleep n stupidly took another. Again same thing.

I posted this somewhere else so I don't mean to repeat. My shrink wanted me to go right back on the ap. I said objected n then he proceeded to tell me I need seroquel!! Another ap! I gave in n took it Friday night. That night I also started magnesium. I feel good now. Muscle tension released no anxiety but I haven't taken the seroquel since then n don't plan on it again.

There is a plethora of supplements, herbs and even aromatherapy that works for at least some people but what's so disturbing to me that even as of this moment. Big Pharma nor any other medical doctors will provide the money to look at what nature has to offer?? We could have all the meds we need, before we even succumb to these awful psych drugs. But no shrinks or pharma care to investigate bc they're all convinced theses meds are REQUIRED to get better I call BS! I'm sorry but it really irks me.

Was on antidepressants on and off from 2000-2007 dx with MDD n anxiety.

2009- had like a physical breakdown. Was exhausted n not functioning properly. Still have depression n had become suicidal. Shrink dx bipolar while I never had a single manic episode. I got at least 8-9 hours of sleep every night. I required that to function since a child. I was admitted to the psych ward immediately. Was then put on a cocktail.

Lithium, lamotrigine, wellbutrin, prozac, depakote, Xanax, trazadone and ritalin.

Went through over 50 shock treatments n put on Invega in addition

Spring 2014, made the decision to try to get off some meds.

11 weeks ago I qt quit invega

10/6 reinstated 150 mg of Wellbutrin

I currently take 40 mg of prozac, 300 mg of lamotrigine, 1 mg of Xanax, 150 mg of trazadone

I am down from three medications. The forementioned others that I was initially put on I stopped prior to 2014.

I am hoping to be med free one day. I do not have any intention of stopping the current ones right now. I'm going to give my body a little more time to adjust.

Progress not perfection!!

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Anyone's opinion on chelated magnesium for sleep? I ask because I believe it's been somewhat helpful with anxiety. I know most here prefer magnesium glycinate but I haven't purchased it since I still have a full bottle of chelated and money's tight.

Thank you.

Current Meds:

Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg.

Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper

Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves')

 

Past Meds:

Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years.

Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma.

Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both.

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Mag glycinate is chelated. Yours probably has some glycinate in it.

 

Chelated magnesium can be good for sleep. People often take magnesium in the evening.

Hi,

 

I don't think I see any glycinate in the ingredients, but you're the expert.

 

The brand I have on hand is Country Life and the back label notes Magnesium (as magnesium oxide, magnesium amino acid chelate (rice flour based). It's 250 mg and gluten-free. Other ingredients: cellulose, cellulose and glycerin coating, l-leucine, silica, vegetable glaze.

 

I take it in the evening. 

 

Any recommendations?

 

Thanks!

Current Meds:

Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg.

Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper

Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves')

 

Past Meds:

Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years.

Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma.

Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both.

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Mag glycinate is a magnesium amino acid chelate. Your supplement is probably fine.

 

I get my mag glycinate from Swanson's. It also has some mag oxide as a "buffer." I haven't been able to find out what this means, but it seems to work okay.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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So if it's good to take magnesium to block calcium ... then does calcium products increase anxiety ?? should one avoid eating calcium? like milk, cheese ice cream etc ??

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fluoxetine since 13years followed doctors advice tapered 40 mg to 0mg in 4 months july 2015 august crasched in panic attacks etc end of september akatisia , nausea, crying alot no one told me it could be something called withdrawal I read it and also about going back to last dose No one knew if it was worth it. tried reinstate autumn 2014 5 mg prozac then 10mg since 29/11-2014 feel only worse sucidal for real, tried antihistamine 10 mg or oxascand (benso) 5 mg or valerian for anxiousness but sick feeling taking this. 6mg prozac to taper slowly down since 15/2-2014 (30ml out of 100ml water with 20 mg pill) tapered 10-20% per month until June 2015 super anxious depressed tired. Got Buspar may 2015 5mg 10mg 15mg headache etc
June 2015: 10mg buspar plus around 3 mg prozac quit this cold turkey in July 2015. One week later crying spells and suicidal. Tried 5htp.magnesium omega 3 until September. October 2015 tested vit D was 17 . Since October 2015 ONLY Vit D and magnesium . nov 2016 can laungh again! but still too anxious ,depressed or lethargic in waves can't focuS, Crying spells , scared, social fobia, bitterness. .. . Did not reinstate prozac again . Trying to survive ....

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The calcium channel is a part of the cell, it's a way cells communicate. Calcium channel blockers like magnesium tend to slow things down in the body.

 

This is not related to the calcium you get in food.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Hi Alto, I've been searching the net for information in regards to magnesium and came acrost this web page: http://www.jigsawhealth.com/supplements/magnesium Magnesium has done so much for me in such a short time, the best I have felt in a long time however it is difficult to find a magnesium supplement taken through the GI tract which doesn't cause irritation of the GI especially at higher levels. I have found that taking around 750 mg magnesium per day get's rid of all my aches and pains even pain from nerve damage and no withdrawal from the gabapentin I stoped taking, off the gabapentin for 22 days. I feel so good but the consequenses of this high amount is diarea and so I can not sustain this level. While taking lower amounts of magnesium, 300 mg. I can sustain this amount of supplemented magnesium but at this level I experience some pain and still experience some withdrawal symptoms from gabapentin. Still I can tolerate what little withdrawal there is but I have seen what higher doses of magnesium can do and I'm convinced I should be taking 750 mg. My diet has been lousy for a long time, mainly processed foods, I am changing this but my magnesium reserves have been sorely depleted over many years (20 years or more) The sustained release magnesium claims to have solved the problem of GI irritation. Wishing you well.

Asa,

My mom is now taking higher levels of mag and finds it helps with her nerve damage pain. She is on less gabapentin as a result. She accidentelly took 1000 mg of mag and it just made her go to the bathroom more. She must be deficient in it a lot.

Prozac 1999-2009 quit semi cold turkey.

 

2012 Placed on Seroquel 25 mg, Tranxene (Clorezepate) 3.75 mg 3x a day, Remeron 30 mg for anxiety/akathesia.

 

Weaned off Seroquel and Tranxene .to Remeron 15 Mg.

In May 2014 tried quitting Remeron at its lowest dose. Had severe withdrawals.Reinstated Remeron at 30 mg by doctor. August 5 2014 entered hospital. Doctor pulled the Remeron and bridged it to Pamelor (Nortriptyline) 40mg and Zyprexa 2.5mg.After removing the Remeron all my bad symptoms went away and I am stable.

 

9/11/14 - 7.5 mg tranxene, 40mg Pamelor, Zyprexa 2.5mg

12/29/14 -  20mg Pamelor, 1/6/15,  7/31/15 3.5mg, 8/10/15 3.2 mg, 9/15/15 2.2mg, 10/15/15 1.8mg

(Feb 2016 - 1.4mg Pamelor only -  OFF OF TRANXENE AND ZYPREXA SINCE DEC 2014 BENZO FREE Since 2014. Nortrityline (Pamelor) .8mg Aug 2016

March 2017 DRUG FREE

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I have tried this earlier in WD, and it made my BP drop out.

 

Tried it again, mainly for digestive issues, and I think it made nerve burning worse and I had some pretty awful dreams... I took it earlier in the day and feel depressed.

 

Would be happy if I could take it for sleep and digestive stuff. :(

2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor.....

5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses.

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What was your blood pressure reading before you took the magnesium and what formulation did you take?

 

What was your blood pressure reading when you felt it 'drop out' and when did it come back to normal? At what intervals did you take your bp and were you following the directions for your particular monitor? Please note that wrist type monitors come with specific instructions on how to position both the cuff and your arm for an accurate reading.

 

It is critical that you do not take more than 320 mg of mag per day (for females). Did you keep a record of your symptoms hourly so you could definitively tie your 'depressed mood, nerve burning and pretty awful dreams' directly to the ingestion of magnesium?

 

Please note the following (from this link, an eminently suitable resource unless you feel the the National Institutes of Health are full of bull):

 

Magnesium and Health

 

Habitually low intakes of magnesium induce changes in biochemical pathways that can increase the risk of illness over time. This section focuses on four diseases and disorders in which magnesium might be involved: hypertension and cardiovascular disease, type 2 diabetes, osteoporosis, and migraine headaches.

 

Hypertension and cardiovascular disease

Hypertension is a major risk factor for heart disease and stroke. Studies to date, however, have found that magnesium supplementation lowers blood pressure, at best, to only a small extent. A meta-analysis of 12 clinical trials found that magnesium supplementation for 8–26 weeks in 545 hypertensive participants resulted in only a small reduction (2.2 mmHg) in diastolic blood pressure [30]. The dose of magnesium ranged from approximately 243 to 973 mg/day. The authors of another meta-analysis of 22 studies with 1,173 normotensive and hypertensive adults concluded that magnesium supplementation for 3–24 weeks decreased systolic blood pressure by 3–4 mmHg and diastolic blood pressure by 2–3 mmHg [31]. The effects were somewhat larger when supplemental magnesium intakes of the participants in the nine crossover-design trials exceeded 370 mg/day. A diet containing more magnesium because of added fruits and vegetables, more low-fat or non-fat dairy products, and less fat overall was shown to lower systolic and diastolic blood pressure by an average of 5.5 and 3.0 mmHg, respectively [32]. However, this Dietary Approaches to Stop Hypertension (DASH) diet also increases intakes of other nutrients, such as potassium and calcium, that are associated with reductions in blood pressure, so any independent contribution of magnesium cannot be determined.

 

A 2 to 4 mmHg decrease in bp would hardly be noticeable and these patients were hypertensive to begin with.

 

I feel that magnesium is the single biggest factor in my recovery and was the ONLY supplement I took for the greater part of a year. It kept my anxiety under control, helped with sleep and aching legs and kept my heart palpitations to a minimum.

 

You may want to invest in a bp monitor and test yourself before you chuck the idea of magnesium supplementation. But of course, if you were already monitoring your bp and found that indeed the magnesium lowered your bp to a dangerous level then forget I even mentioned this.

 

Recommended are the citrate or glycinate forms and break up the doses so you are taking approx 100 mg 3 times a day. My tablets came from the health food store (the grocery and pharmacies only carry the cheap poorly absorbed forms) and were in 200 mg huge tablets which I broke in half to consume.

What happened and how I arrived here: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4243-cymbaltawithdrawal5600-introduction/#entry50878

 

July 2016 I have decided to leave my story here at SA unfinished. I have left my contact information in my profile for anyone who wishes to talk to me. I have a posting history spanning nearly 4 years and 3000+ posts all over the site.

 

Thank you to all who participated in my recovery. I'll miss talking to you but know that I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines, suffering and rejoicing with you in spirit, as you go on in your journey.

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What was your blood pressure reading before you took the magnesium and what formulation did you take?

 

What was your blood pressure reading when you felt it 'drop out' and when did it come back to normal? At what intervals did you take your bp and were you following the directions for your particular monitor? Please note that wrist type monitors come with specific instructions on how to position both the cuff and your arm for an accurate reading.

 

It is critical that you do not take more than 320 mg of mag per day (for females). Did you keep a record of your symptoms hourly so you could definitively tie your 'depressed mood, nerve burning and pretty awful dreams' directly to the ingestion of magnesium?

 

Please note the following (from this link, an eminently suitable resource unless you feel the the National Institutes of Health are full of bull):

 

Magnesium and Health

 

Habitually low intakes of magnesium induce changes in biochemical pathways that can increase the risk of illness over time. This section focuses on four diseases and disorders in which magnesium might be involved: hypertension and cardiovascular disease, type 2 diabetes, osteoporosis, and migraine headaches.

 

Hypertension and cardiovascular disease

 

Hypertension is a major risk factor for heart disease and stroke. Studies to date, however, have found that magnesium supplementation lowers blood pressure, at best, to only a small extent. A meta-analysis of 12 clinical trials found that magnesium supplementation for 8–26 weeks in 545 hypertensive participants resulted in only a small reduction (2.2 mmHg) in diastolic blood pressure [30]. The dose of magnesium ranged from approximately 243 to 973 mg/day. The authors of another meta-analysis of 22 studies with 1,173 normotensive and hypertensive adults concluded that magnesium supplementation for 3–24 weeks decreased systolic blood pressure by 3–4 mmHg and diastolic blood pressure by 2–3 mmHg [31]. The effects were somewhat larger when supplemental magnesium intakes of the participants in the nine crossover-design trials exceeded 370 mg/day. A diet containing more magnesium because of added fruits and vegetables, more low-fat or non-fat dairy products, and less fat overall was shown to lower systolic and diastolic blood pressure by an average of 5.5 and 3.0 mmHg, respectively [32]. However, this Dietary Approaches to Stop Hypertension (DASH) diet also increases intakes of other nutrients, such as potassium and calcium, that are associated with reductions in blood pressure, so any independent contribution of magnesium cannot be determined.

 

A 2 to 4 mmHg decrease in bp would hardly be noticeable and these patients were hypertensive to begin with.

 

I feel that magnesium is the single biggest factor in my recovery and was the ONLY supplement I took for the greater part of a year. It kept my anxiety under control, helped with sleep and aching legs and kept my heart palpitations to a minimum.

 

You may want to invest in a bp monitor and test yourself before you chuck the idea of magnesium supplementation. But of course, if you were already monitoring your bp and found that indeed the magnesium lowered your bp to a dangerous level then forget I even mentioned this.

 

Recommended are the citrate or glycinate forms and break up the doses so you are taking approx 100 mg 3 times a day. My tablets came from the health food store (the grocery and pharmacies only carry the cheap poorly absorbed forms) and were in 200 mg huge tablets which I broke in half to consume.

Well, I have low blood pressure anyways from another condition I have had for years. So, I'm familiar with the way it feels when it gets very low. I've dealt with it for years. And it hadn't happened in a very long time, until I took msgnesium a couple months ago. I gave it a couple days and tried again, and it did the same thing.

 

I took oxide, but was going to try citrate. I only took 100 mg. I am hypersenstive and have to go slowly.

 

I have no idea what my BP was before and after. I don't have a cuff, but may invest in one given this is a problem I have to deal with on and off.

 

I track my symptoms throughout the day. Generally, morning, afternoon, evening. I keep notes when things are added, and what happens afterward. Burning is a symptom I have off and on, but it had subsided until I took the mag. I took it again today, this time during the day verses evening, and the burning came back, and I became fatigued and depressed in a way that is not familiar to me.

 

The dreams, I can't prove it, but that was the first time in a long time I had had bad dreams.

 

But, I am also only 5 mos into what was practically CT from Effexor. And, I am subsequently sensitive to many things. Maybe I will give it a break, and try again. I would like to take it, as I believe it really could benefit me in many ways.

 

Thx for your response.

2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor.....

5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses.

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I was not able to take it early in WD but I just tried it for the last week at 250 mg. splitting a 500 and it seems to help with my sleep. I take it about two hrs before bed.

Paxil start September 2003 due to Fluoroquinolone adverse reaction that I wish doc. knew what it was. 10mg. most of the time with a few short runs of 20mg. FAST tapered 3 times and finally hit poop out or a reaction to nsaid's in Nov.2013. Started a 10% taper Jan. 2014 and have been ok until Sept 14 and went through a short hell. Now plodding through and looking for the light with unrelenting insomnia and pain, fog, loss of interests....<p>12/20/14 - .8mg.

1/01/15 - .75 mg.

1/15/15 - .42 mg. better sleep now, hope it continues...

2/11-15 - .25 mg. doing really good!! 2 weeks feel 85% of old me!

3/17/15 .14 mg. Knee pain bad!

4/07/15 .05 mg. this is so small now that I am estimating and just licking it off palm small as a "." 

4/13/15 NOTHING !!!! Took my last little micro dose on 4/12/15. 

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It has helped me so far

Prozac 1999-2009 quit semi cold turkey.

 

2012 Placed on Seroquel 25 mg, Tranxene (Clorezepate) 3.75 mg 3x a day, Remeron 30 mg for anxiety/akathesia.

 

Weaned off Seroquel and Tranxene .to Remeron 15 Mg.

In May 2014 tried quitting Remeron at its lowest dose. Had severe withdrawals.Reinstated Remeron at 30 mg by doctor. August 5 2014 entered hospital. Doctor pulled the Remeron and bridged it to Pamelor (Nortriptyline) 40mg and Zyprexa 2.5mg.After removing the Remeron all my bad symptoms went away and I am stable.

 

9/11/14 - 7.5 mg tranxene, 40mg Pamelor, Zyprexa 2.5mg

12/29/14 -  20mg Pamelor, 1/6/15,  7/31/15 3.5mg, 8/10/15 3.2 mg, 9/15/15 2.2mg, 10/15/15 1.8mg

(Feb 2016 - 1.4mg Pamelor only -  OFF OF TRANXENE AND ZYPREXA SINCE DEC 2014 BENZO FREE Since 2014. Nortrityline (Pamelor) .8mg Aug 2016

March 2017 DRUG FREE

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Every time I take it, in a very small dosage, I am severely agitated and Ill for 2 weeks.

Was on Citalopram 20mg since Feb 2008 - switched to Paxil 20mg in August 2010

Tapered way too fast in April 2012 by skipping days. Taper completed in 6 weeks

Tried prozac 20mg for 3 days - felt spaced out, not better.

Tried 30mg Cymbalta for 2 days. SEVERE ADVERSE REACTION

Antidepressant free since 14 August 2012

Birth control on and off during this time - Last taken 18 June 2017 - Morning after pill 

Started mainly using 0.5mg Xanax beginning 2016 for severe panic attacks and anxiety due to trauma

Xanax on and off never more than 0.5mg at a time, never taking it 3 days in a row - used sparingly 

 

6 Years antidepressant free - Still in severe withdrawal with over 60 symptoms

Severe setback started May 2018 with no let up to date. Developed many new symptoms like tremors, inner vibrations, insomnia, visual distortions and dr/dp are 100x worse, i have severe sensitivity to movement, My dizziness and vertigo got worse and it now feels like im constantly rocking on a boat, my anxiety is sky high, suicidal idiation is back, i feel extremely brain damaged 

 

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I used to take magnesium citrate-malate and it was helpful. But now I respond to most of supplements with diarrhea. Cannot take any probiotics, vit b...

I was wondering when to start with magnesium? I have mag glycinate in powder, so I can start from mini-doses. I just don't know when? I am now on 2.5mg of escitalopram. Doing almost well..

- 12.03.2021- doxepin- 50mg

- 6.11.2020- 75mg

- 16.10.2020- 100mg

- 30.09.2020- doxepin- 125mg

- May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg

- 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg

- 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day

- 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan 

- Long term of Nasal spray Otrivine

- 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening

24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on  19.03.2020 😇

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Magnesium glycinate is much easier on the gut than magnesium citrate -- as stated many times before in this topic.

 

ikam, look at the powder. How much does it say is in a teaspoon? Then take part of a teaspoon for a partial dose.

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I have been taking Albion Mineral Chelated Magnesium (150mg Magnesium Glycinate) for about six months. No adverse affects and it's probably helping,

though also taking Omega 3 Nordic Naturals 1280 mg a day. 

On 20 mg of Prozac for about ten years. Sept 2012 started reducing 10% a drop using gram scale, with average of one month holds.

When I'd reached the half way mark, taking 10 mg  powder out of the 20 mg capsules, I switched over to 10 mg capsules and cutting

down from those. Withdrawals got harder the lower I dropped.  May 2013 changed to 5% drops, holding until all withdrawal symptoms gone.

January 2015 changed to liquid prozac (concentration of 20MG per 5 mL) using a 1mL oral syringe.

Current dose of fluoxetine solution equivalent 3.4 mg. Any effort to drop below this has been disastrous so for the time being I'm staying at this level.
Adding 200 mg Tryptophan and 200 GABA a day has helped with anxiety.
Also take 1,300mg Omega- 3,  875mg  Magnesium, 1800mg Curcumin, 1000mg Vit C, 5000 Vit D.
 

 

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I used to take magnesium citrate-malate and it was helpful. But now I respond to most of supplements with diarrhea. Cannot take any probiotics, vit b...

I was wondering when to start with magnesium? I have mag glycinate in powder, so I can start from mini-doses. I just don't know when? I am now on 2.5mg of escitalopram. Doing almost well..

I was just reading about  Magnesium bisglycinate I think it is the same as what you have I think.... this one I was reading about does not cause diarrhea.  If that is is any help to you I don't know when you should take it that would be a question for somebody else. 

peace

 

"Magnesium bisglycinate is the only magnesium shown to cross the blood brain barrier which makes it an excellent choice for aiding those with depression and/or anxiety, or migraine headaches. '

 

at the bottom it says this

"Which Magnesium Is Best?

Magnesium oxide and citrates are laxatives causing diarrhea and they are poorly absorbed. Magnesium bisglycinate is much better absorbed and it does not cause diarrhea. Magnesium bisglycinate is four times more effective than citrate forms of magnesium. "

http://healthyimmunity.com/products/Magnesium-Bisglycinate.asp

 

The linked site is not the first place I read this but it is the easy one to find today ... 

is it correct?

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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After reading this topic, I decided to give magnesium a try via an Epson foot bath last night. Not sure if it was a placebo effect but although i woke up at my usual 4:30 ish, I believe that I slept more soundly. I also woke up without the horrible anxious feeling I typically wake up with.

 

I also decided to put a quarter teaspoon of the Epson salt in my water bottle today to see if it soothes that anxious feeling I have been experiencing all day.

 

Will let you guys know how it works for me.

 

Sunflower

1998-2010. Zoloft 100 mgs.

3/2010. Switched to generic Z and began not to feel well.

7/2010. Estrogen patch added which caused severe depression.

8/2010 to 10/2010. Zoloft increased from 100 mgs to 200 mgs., Klonopin .25 mgs in am; .50 mgs pm; Remeron

.25 mgs. added by new doc

1/2011. Began tapering K; last dose of K 7/2011.

11/2011 Began Remeron taper; last dose of R 1/2012 (Tapered K & R by dry cutting)

1/2013 Began tapering Z from 200 mgs to 100 mgs by dry cutting

3/2013. Experiencing wd sx...took break

9/2013. Down to 150 mgs.

2/2014 - Present. 100 mgs Z

1-21-15. Began dry cutting 100 mgs.

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After reading this topic just want to make sure that the general consensus is that magnesium glycinate is one of the better forms of magnesium to use?

 

Thank you for feedback.

 

Sunflower

1998-2010. Zoloft 100 mgs.

3/2010. Switched to generic Z and began not to feel well.

7/2010. Estrogen patch added which caused severe depression.

8/2010 to 10/2010. Zoloft increased from 100 mgs to 200 mgs., Klonopin .25 mgs in am; .50 mgs pm; Remeron

.25 mgs. added by new doc

1/2011. Began tapering K; last dose of K 7/2011.

11/2011 Began Remeron taper; last dose of R 1/2012 (Tapered K & R by dry cutting)

1/2013 Began tapering Z from 200 mgs to 100 mgs by dry cutting

3/2013. Experiencing wd sx...took break

9/2013. Down to 150 mgs.

2/2014 - Present. 100 mgs Z

1-21-15. Began dry cutting 100 mgs.

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The "AFibbers" are really 'into' magnesium and I found a discussion of theirs about which magnesium supplements they prefer and why.

 

Note the discussion starting on page 6 (hmmm, I guess my KAL mag glycinate is out) and there is also some information in there about the role of taurine AND potassium in magnesium supplementation.

 

Even using the more poorly absorbed forms of mag, my constant palpitations in protracted wd were kept in check by high doses of mag. I started with calm powder but had to let that go because of the bowel upset. I switched to citrate and now am back to using the mag glycinate. I might make a trip to the health food store and see if they carry any of the formulations the AFibbers mentioned as using the "Albion method" of chelation.

 

My palpitations have been long gone (they are a sign of autonomic nervous system instability) but now my problem is extreme stiffness especially in my spine. I am guessing that the years of ADs had something to do with this, was it some kind of constant tension of the muscles because of the copious amounts of caffeine I consumed daily in order to counteract the sedating effects of the drugs? Or now just old age and inactivity? Taking the mag+taurine at night before I go to bed really helps the stiffness. It will be interesting to see if I feel better or the same once I switch to a "better absorbed" formulation of magnesium. I do remember, however, that more mag is not necessarily better. I had been taking too much of it and I felt awful "all over" until I reduced it to under 400 mg a day. That did not happen until several months of daily supplementation in early protracted wd. Perhaps my body's chronic magnesium deficit had been resolved after a while and then swung the other direction into "too much", even though the excess is supposed to be dumped out by the kidneys. Advancing age can decrease kidney function, perhaps this is what happened.

What happened and how I arrived here: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4243-cymbaltawithdrawal5600-introduction/#entry50878

 

July 2016 I have decided to leave my story here at SA unfinished. I have left my contact information in my profile for anyone who wishes to talk to me. I have a posting history spanning nearly 4 years and 3000+ posts all over the site.

 

Thank you to all who participated in my recovery. I'll miss talking to you but know that I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines, suffering and rejoicing with you in spirit, as you go on in your journey.

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