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oh...and as for me ''cutting off support'' i have not done that, I was abused and talked to in a harsh and uncaring way last time i was on here begging for help, not that anyone could help.......i left becaue oif that..I email with people who are healed/healing and find that calms me...i also speak to some of the counsellors in the w/d charitys......

damaged by citalopram - severe suffering for 3 years now...no improvement

 

akathsiia, pgad, dp/dr, terror, and so SO many more daily

 

severly disabled and lost everything

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Good to hear you're having windows and are taking care of yourself, Iggy. Please update this topic and let us know how you are doing as time goes on.

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Iggy,

 

So glad to hear from you and that you are doing well, at least occasionally!! That's fantastic news!

Very very very happy for you. Really beyond words. I read your whole thread when I showed up here this past summer. I felt so awful for you and it scared the daylights out of me. I'm so glad you are improved, even a bit!

 

Really, truly, wish you the best. Prayers and thoughts for healing in the New Year Iggy!

 

Thx for coming back. :)

2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor.....

5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses.

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Caroline,You were on the drugs for a very short time, all in all, and only one drug. Most people having severe problems were on drugs for many, many more years and with crazy combinations of drugs. You're predicting recovery times or no recovery at all based on a few stories you have read on the internet. You cannot make statements about what other people have experienced getting off antidepressants based on a few stories you have read on the internet. This is called confirmation bias. I was on several drugs off and on for 16 years, quit cold turkey, and I can tell you it gets better. You have to let go of the idea that somehow you will never get better OR that you will magically get 100% better just like that.You are also "buying into" the anxiety and horror you are feeling. This is normal, but you have to somehow pull yourself together and resist going down the path you are going as much as possible. No one here will be able to reassure you of anything unless you are willing to help yourself. This is going to require effort on your part. Believe me, I know how you feel and I too have despaired. But you have to find it in you to direct yourself out of that despair. Separate the thinking you from what you are feeling. Observe the horrible feelings, but don't act on them. I can tell you that I personally fail at this ALL THE TIME (today I stayed in bed instead of walking, and now I am feeling worse). But it doesn't matter how many times you fail, it matters how many times you keep trying. Tell yourself that this really is an awful thing to be going through, but guess what, you are going through it. So all you can do is meet walk out to meet it.DO NOT STAY IN BED and do nothing else. Even if it feels like the most horrible thing ever, go on a walk in the mornings. You have to start small, but you have to start somewhere. Otherwise you will just reinforce the bad feelings. You can't wait for some magic or outside salvation. You have to take action. When I first realized this, I enlisted the help of my mom. She dragged me out on walks. I felt like I was going to pass out and I suffered through every moment of it. But I did it. Slowly you will get out of this, but you have to put in the work.And about your son... believe me even if he didn't remember you precisely that he would be deeply impacted by losing you. If you can't find strength to live for yourself, do it for him. I often have felt I am only living for my mom, and then, as I get better, I start to realize I'm doing it for me, too. You can get out of this, but you have to take the first step. No one else can do that for you. You can't just lie in bed waiting to get better. This will require concerted effort and patience on your part. Muster all the courage you have to face the scared little girl. Give her a hug and then give her a gentle push to rise out of this. Stick your chest out, tell yourself you can do this. Tell yourself you love yourself and you know you can heal. Do it over and over even if you don't believe it. Accept that this is just a lousy situation, a really, really awful situation, but you can get through it. If you are able, enroll in mindfulness meditation classes. Do Tai Chi, or Qi Gong, or anything you can.REACH FOR THE LIGHT!! Acknowledge the dark, but reach for the light!

Paxil 10mg 21/2 years to June 2012 after a 2 month taper

 

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Nadia there is a lot of good stuff in this post. I ve ordered the power if now . I frequently am if the opinion my thinking self has gone on an extended holiday to the Bahamas without so much as a postcard .

Paxil 10mg 21/2 years to June 2012 after a 2 month taper

 

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That's a great quote by Nadia! Thank you for pulling this back up, Cressida. If it's not on the Best of SA thread it needs to be.

 

Edited to add: The Power of Now is a great book. I keep meaning to re-read it. Definitely helped when I was in a bad wave.

a.k.a JMarie

Paxil since Mar.1998

2006-2007:40-20mg
2009: 20mg to 14mg 2010: 14mg to 10.5mg 2011: 10.5 to 7.6mg  2012: 7.5 to 6.8mg

2013: 6.7-6.3mg 2014: 6.2mg-5.8mg 2015: 5.7 to 5.15mg 2016: 5.1-4.6mg

1/19/17: 4.5mg 3/17/17: 4.4mg

6/15/17: 4.35mg 8/10/17: 4.3mg

1/29/18: 4.1mg 5/07/18: 4.0mg

7/31/18: 3.9mg

 

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Brilliant post from Nadia!!

I have also read the Power of now ( amongst my many self helps throughout WD) and it's fantastic. Mind you, it was hard to read for me while I'm acute. The fear and terror was so bad that even self help scared me to pieces at te time. I should re read it now.

13 years of Ssri's - celexa, Paxil, Prozac, Zoloft

2 fast tapers and 2 cold turkeys over the years

Psych med free since September 4th 2011 - fast tapered then CT'd 12.5 mg of Zoloft

 

 

“Strength does not come from physical capacity. It comes from an indomitable will.”

― Mahatma Gandhi

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Great post, and yes I think it should be in Best of SA.  I too read The Power of Now years ago and it had a huge impact on me.

Paxil 20mg 1994-2005
Tried to quit twice, finally did it on my 3rd attempt in 2005.

I went from 20mg to zero in about four months, believing at the time that it was a reasonable taper.  It wasn't.  I suffered mostly emotional symptoms: frequent episodes of "anxious depression" lasting for about 17 months before it got noticeably better.

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oh...and as for me ''cutting off support'' i have not done that, I was abused and talked to in a harsh and uncaring way last time i was on here begging for help, not that anyone could help.......i left becaue oif that..I email with people who are healed/healing and find that calms me...i also speak to some of the counsellors in the w/d charitys......

Hi iggy i tried to pm you but it says you cant receive messages. Anyways, this is bruno2006 from pp. Do you know what happened to anna from spain? I havent been able to get in touch with her.

Various SSRIs/SNRIs 7- 1/2 years

Went Cold Turkey from Celexa 2011, Stayed Off

Psych Drug Free and Loving Life (over 6 years and counting)

 

How I Stay Well: Diet, exercise, meditation, supplements, etc

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oh...and as for me ''cutting off support'' i have not done that, I was abused and talked to in a harsh and uncaring way last time i was on here begging for help, not that anyone could help.......i left becaue oif that..I email with people who are healed/healing and find that calms me...i also speak to some of the counsellors in the w/d charitys......

I am glad your looking after yourself Iggy maybe turn on you pms so people who worry about you can check on you...

wishing you peace

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Caroline,You were on the drugs for a very short time, all in all, and only one drug. Most people having severe problems were on drugs for many, many more years and with crazy combinations of drugs. You're predicting recovery times or no recovery at all based on a few stories you have read on the internet. You cannot make statements about what other people have experienced getting off antidepressants based on a few stories you have read on the internet. This is called confirmation bias. I was on several drugs off and on for 16 years, quit cold turkey, and I can tell you it gets better. You have to let go of the idea that somehow you will never get better OR that you will magically get 100% better just like that.You are also "buying into" the anxiety and horror you are feeling. This is normal, but you have to somehow pull yourself together and resist going down the path you are going as much as possible. No one here will be able to reassure you of anything unless you are willing to help yourself. This is going to require effort on your part. Believe me, I know how you feel and I too have despaired. But you have to find it in you to direct yourself out of that despair. Separate the thinking you from what you are feeling. Observe the horrible feelings, but don't act on them. I can tell you that I personally fail at this ALL THE TIME (today I stayed in bed instead of walking, and now I am feeling worse). But it doesn't matter how many times you fail, it matters how many times you keep trying. Tell yourself that this really is an awful thing to be going through, but guess what, you are going through it. So all you can do is meet walk out to meet it.DO NOT STAY IN BED and do nothing else. Even if it feels like the most horrible thing ever, go on a walk in the mornings. You have to start small, but you have to start somewhere. Otherwise you will just reinforce the bad feelings. You can't wait for some magic or outside salvation. You have to take action. When I first realized this, I enlisted the help of my mom. She dragged me out on walks. I felt like I was going to pass out and I suffered through every moment of it. But I did it. Slowly you will get out of this, but you have to put in the work.And about your son... believe me even if he didn't remember you precisely that he would be deeply impacted by losing you. If you can't find strength to live for yourself, do it for him. I often have felt I am only living for my mom, and then, as I get better, I start to realize I'm doing it for me, too. You can get out of this, but you have to take the first step. No one else can do that for you. You can't just lie in bed waiting to get better. This will require concerted effort and patience on your part. Muster all the courage you have to face the scared little girl. Give her a hug and then give her a gentle push to rise out of this. Stick your chest out, tell yourself you can do this. Tell yourself you love yourself and you know you can heal. Do it over and over even if you don't believe it. Accept that this is just a lousy situation, a really, really awful situation, but you can get through it. If you are able, enroll in mindfulness meditation classes. Do Tai Chi, or Qi Gong, or anything you can.REACH FOR THE LIGHT!! Acknowledge the dark, but reach for the light!

Bravo! Nadia you definitely deserve notoriety for this post.

 

Very well written and truly inspiring.

December 2008 Prescribed 20mg citalopram (celexa) for depression and OCD.July 2013 stopped taking citalopram (celexa). November 2013 reinstated citalopram (celexa) following replapse at 20mg for 4 weeks, 40mg for 4 weeks and tapered off over 4 weeks as my condition had deteriorated. February 2014 started 20mg of fluoxetine (prozac). Didn't tolerate it and stopped 4 weeks later, experienced no withdrawal. May 2014 started 25mg of sertraline (zoloft), increased to 50mg after 1 week. Remained at 50mg for 4 weeks before increasing to 100mg at the request of my psychiatrist despite advising of suicidal ideation for an additional week before stopping. Advised to drop to 50mg for 3 days before withdrawing altogether. I did as advised and horrendous withdrawal ensued. 11th August 2014 commenced escitalopram (lexapro), weaned off end of October 2014. Commenced Clonazepam December 2014 0.5mg twice daily, switched to Diazepam 10mg twice daily with a view to tapering of the benzodiazepine altogether. Tapering schedule presently at a reduction of 1mg of Diazepam every 1-2 weeks depending upon side effects. So far experienced no severe physical side effects except worsening of PGAD symptoms upon reduction which does seem to improve within a few days of doing so. Presently taking no antidepressants however still experiencing mild agitation, severe depression and PGAD which is currently being treated by a physiotherapist.

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Wow just realised this was posted in 2012. I hope Nadia's can do attitude has her fully recovered.

December 2008 Prescribed 20mg citalopram (celexa) for depression and OCD.July 2013 stopped taking citalopram (celexa). November 2013 reinstated citalopram (celexa) following replapse at 20mg for 4 weeks, 40mg for 4 weeks and tapered off over 4 weeks as my condition had deteriorated. February 2014 started 20mg of fluoxetine (prozac). Didn't tolerate it and stopped 4 weeks later, experienced no withdrawal. May 2014 started 25mg of sertraline (zoloft), increased to 50mg after 1 week. Remained at 50mg for 4 weeks before increasing to 100mg at the request of my psychiatrist despite advising of suicidal ideation for an additional week before stopping. Advised to drop to 50mg for 3 days before withdrawing altogether. I did as advised and horrendous withdrawal ensued. 11th August 2014 commenced escitalopram (lexapro), weaned off end of October 2014. Commenced Clonazepam December 2014 0.5mg twice daily, switched to Diazepam 10mg twice daily with a view to tapering of the benzodiazepine altogether. Tapering schedule presently at a reduction of 1mg of Diazepam every 1-2 weeks depending upon side effects. So far experienced no severe physical side effects except worsening of PGAD symptoms upon reduction which does seem to improve within a few days of doing so. Presently taking no antidepressants however still experiencing mild agitation, severe depression and PGAD which is currently being treated by a physiotherapist.

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I added Nadia's post to Best of SA. When you see a gem, please add to that topic!

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Wow just realised this was posted in 2012. I hope Nadia's can do attitude has her fully recovered.

why not ask her for an update 

 

 

then I thought why don't I so I did :) done deal see what she says hope she is done hope she updates

peace

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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ok i messed up, im severe and i suspect I know why but I would be grateful if anyone could confirm what I suspect...

 

on tuesday this week i developed a toothache, i was scared as i know i cant have antibiotics etc, i went to the dentist on wednesday who said it is a bad gum infection, he knows i cant have antibiotics so prescibed a medicated mouthwash which i was also scared of using,

 

instead i began oil pulling and washing my mouth with salt water...but i also started to take ibuprophen which i havent taken before...i took 6 on wednesday

 

i woke on thursday with symptoms long gone, severe terror and waves of panic and dread, feeling like im on lsd....and more, i put it down to stress about my teeth as i was/am very scared about that...i took 2 painkillers on thursday morning and that was the last i took

 

friday i was the same if not worse, non functional and desperate, severe symptoms..i thought i was hvaing an adverse reaction to the ibuprophen but then i remembered something

 

ibuprophen interferes with the functioning of ssris, it can stop them working, and i am still on a dose of 0.38...has the ibu interfered with the level of ssri in my system, i suspect it has

 

my main symptoms are

 

severe terror

SEVERE nausea

dread

panic and panic attacks

feeling spaced out so much likeim on sever drugs

overwhelm

 

for the past few months my only symptom has been akathisia, but it has been on and off and some days ive had nothing, this is back to severe

 

im hoping if i just take no more ibu and remain on my dose i can stablise but it would comfort me to know why its happening, does this sound fesible and right?

damaged by citalopram - severe suffering for 3 years now...no improvement

 

akathsiia, pgad, dp/dr, terror, and so SO many more daily

 

severly disabled and lost everything

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"im hoping if i just take no more ibu and remain on my dose i can stablise but it would comfort me to know why its happening, does this sound fesible and right?"

 

I think that is the best idea. 

I can be anything that upsets the apple cart ... food drug any new thing.  From my own personal experience I would say go back to what was working and wait. In the mean time do things that you find calming that have worked for you in the past.  With a bit of luck it will pass quickly.  Let us know how it is going please. 

peace

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Recently I have had tooth problems again a long long problem for me in withdrawal not sure how or if it is related but I see enough reports about this over the years I suspect it is. Of late I have been experimenting with L.Reuteri while I don't feel completely comfortable mentioning it here for a multitude of reasons I will as there is that small of chance ... I will assume no risk for the saying of it as it has been the truth for me.  I will also say that I believe how one responds to different things is dependent on where your at in the wd process.  For a long time some foods cause side effects for me... made my wd worse.  And I have no reason to think L.Reurti would not do the same none at all.  I actually think it did cause some adverse effects when I first started taking it rather that be what is known as hex or not is yet to be proven. 

 

I have written about it all in my thread.  I have used a drop of what is known as Bio Gaia on a tooth that was trouble some I used it at the gun line. It's use stopped the tooth area from hurting. I refuse to speculate on how it did it .. quite frankly I have felt for a long time that I am on the fringe of health as my stuff does not make sense to doctors ect... so that I would find something helpful that has no major side effects feels like a blessing.  Is it really or am I yet to pay ... well I can't say for sure, not yet.  It could be I am a complete head case and all I do say see and write is suspect :) how odd it is not feel insulted by this in the least... I am trying to live best I can with what I have ... this is my truth not sure if it could be yours or not. Putting it out there as I hate to see people suffer... it is that simple. 

 

I wish you peace

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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thankyou, it is my hope that i will stablise with each day, but i feel my instinct is right on this, its the ibuprophen interfering with the dose, thanks for the advice on tooth pain, ill stick to oil pulling and salt rinses for now in the hope that will help, yesterday i had no pain so had no treatment, today the pain is back..idiot

damaged by citalopram - severe suffering for 3 years now...no improvement

 

akathsiia, pgad, dp/dr, terror, and so SO many more daily

 

severly disabled and lost everything

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Iggy im sorry you are suffering but if you say the word "severe" one more time I am going to throw my phone out the window. You are pretty much 100% recovered and im 6 months into a SEVERE withdrawal. Atleast you know you are going to feel fine in a day or 2.

Diagnosed: Pure O Ocd, Severe Anxiety Disorder NOS, PMDD

 

November 2009 - May 2013- CIPRALEX 20mg

C/T off 20mg Cipralex

Went into dark depression (never experienced before med)

September 2013 - March 2014- PROZAC 20mg

Weaned down to 10mg and held

October 1st 2014 C/T off 10mg Prozac

Protracted withdrawal - 8 months of the most horrific suffering imaginable

June 1st 2015 - ZOLOFT 25mg

June 26th 2015 - Dose increase to 50mg of Zoloft (taken at night after dinner). Slowly improving but still have severe OCD/ruminating, intense DP/DR, and brain fog. Just trying to stabilize at this point.

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I am 3 years into a SEVERE withdrawal, I have lost my job, my friends, my husband left me and he took my child, please have a little respect

 

I think I need to make things clear.....for 2 and a half years all I could do was scream and beg people to kill me, not hyperbole, fact, I lost everything in my life, I didnt recognise my child, the torture I endured everyday was beyond comprehension, 24/7 severe akathisia, an overwhelm so great that i couldnt even move to relive the akathisia, I had no idea who or what I was just suffering, the purest form of suffering imaginable, all I wanted was to die, I contacted dignitas, I begged and begged my family to take me there and begged dr healy to write me a letter saying i had no mental health issues so they would accept me...

 

I tried to score heroin but was unable to leave the house and no one would get any for me, I tried to buy nembutal...I cut, scratched and beat myself to try and relive the constant sensations.....I literally screamed so much that my husband had to take my son away from the house, my familt tried to have me sectioned...

 

my body was covered in hives, I had seizures, i was 5 and a half stone as i couldnt eat the suffering was too severe....I heard voices, saw things that were not there, smelled things that were not there, my body jerked in all directions, my face twitched, my body burned...

 

I then developed severe PGAD...

 

for the past 6 months, I have had akathisia nearly every day, if you have ever experienced severe akathisia then you have my deepest empthy, its the most vile and torturous sensation known to man, I tried to take on some voluntary work, but I have been unable to.....my son was in nappies when this happened to me, he had just turned 3, and is now 6...for 3 YEARS my life has been over.....but, as I say, in the past 6 months I have mainly only suffered with daily akathisia....during my period and for the week after the akathisia is almost constant...I use many techniques and self talk to get through those days, and I am so grateful that its not worse....

 

I am able to leave the house, more than that, enjoy the odd time, eat dinner, even have a glass of beer now and again....I still cannot talk about the future, as Ive given up on having one, and I know how it goes.....I am so SO grateful that some aspects of life have returned to me, but I still live everyday in fear and I still have akathisia most days, I am unable to work, or be responsible for my child....I dont know if those things will ever happen for me....but I never thought I would get to this stage....and anyone reading this should take the positives...I have improved more than I ever thought possible, just being able to take my son to school has been a profound joy, something I have never been able to do as he wasnt school age when I the gates of hell opened for me and I was pushed in

 

after taking the ibuprophen, I went back to how I was a year ago, and Im scared, I cannot ever take an antibiotic, and now I know ibuprophen is out too...I am alone now having lost everything and everyone fdear to me, being looked after by my parents like a child...

 

If I had the choice to die right now, I would be torn, I still suffer enough to not want to live, but then again, even a difficult life is better than none.

 

This is not a competition on who is suffering the most, and I have endured more than anyone ever should....I do NOT know I will be ok in a ouple of days, last time my dose was messed with I was bed ridden and scareming for 2 months and then it took a further 6 onths to stablise, my heart and soul, my prayers and my utter solidarity and disgust in what has happened is with every single person on this site, please dont undermine what I am going through right now, I came here for some support

 

Take what you can from my improvements, and please reach out a hand in friendship, and not to critisise....I have done nothing wrong to you

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akathsiia, pgad, dp/dr, terror, and so SO many more daily

 

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Iggy, everyone is severely suffering. Many of us have lost everything and everyone in our lives that mattered to us because of this withdrawal. Let's just support each other and empathize. Nobody is more or less severe. We're all in pain.

 

Sorry you have experienced this backslide. I think you previously posted you had pretty much recovered, which is why some people are surprised and dismayed at the severity of your current situation. We all wish you a speedy healing.

January 2012 - Prescribed 900mg gabapentin and 30mg Norco for lower lumber spinal stenosis pain.

September 2013 - Spinal fusion surgery, 6 levels. Hospital ramped up meds 1500mg gabapentin, 100mg Norco, 80mg Oxycontin, 25mg Fentanyl patch.

January 2014 - Sever nausea daily and with back pain every 4 hours. 2 trips to ER. First endoscopy found ulcer. Treated with Sucralfate and PPI. Second endo in May found no ulcers. Doctors said it was the opiates causing the nausea. CT'd Oxycontin, Fentanyl patch.

July 2014 - Lost 48 lbs. due to not eating because of severe nausea. GP prescribed Prozac 20mg and Ativan 2mg prn. Tried for 4 days, quit. Two week followup GP said keep taking Prozac. 4 days, quit again. Ativan taken rarely prn for anxiety and appetite.

August 2014 - Went to detox. Off opiates. Still nauseous, helmet head, drugged feeling. Doctor CT'd gabapentin. Ended up in ER. Found 2 gallstones. Gabapentin reinstated at 900mg. Tried botched up and down taper to get off Gabapentin. No tapering advice from doctor. Said to just CT again.

September 2014 - Coded on table during gallbladder surgery. Developed liver biloma due to CPR by doctor. Had bile bulb inserted for 2 wks to drain.

October 2014 - Gallbladder removed. Still nauseous, 3am cortisol surging, drugged helmet head, vertigo, breathlessness, whooshing head, heart palps.

November 8th, 2014 - CT'd gabapentin suggested by family and 4 different doctors. Was told no withdrawal is associated with gabapentin. Have been in hell ever since. No windows, just one big tsunami every day with same symptoms for 4 months.

December 26, 2014 - Found SA. At least I know I'm not insane. My family thinks I'm doing this to myself. Akathesia has become unbearable.

March 10, 2015 - In absolute daily hell with no relief. Currently taking magnesium 200mg before bedtime.

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Hi Iggy,

I was reading through your old thread on IAWP yesterday, wondering how you're doing these days, now here you are. 

 

I'm sorry you've had a set back after some improvement.

 

A similar thing happened to me a while back, I took a fair amount of aspirin over the course of several days for tooth and jaw pain.  Since withdrawal started, I had never taken more than a single aspirin at a time.  This also caused a wave of increased symptoms for me.  It took about a week for things to settle back down to my normal level of unpleasantness again.  The best non-drug pain relief I found for tooth and gum pain was salt water rinses, but you have to do it often.

 

You wrote that before this wave hit,  you were able to enjoy yourself at times and drink the occasional beer.  Do you mean that you are still in a windows and waves kind of pattern and that you've had periods (days, weeks months)  of feeling well and 'normal', but you still get waves?  Or do you mean that you still feel very ill all the time, but occasionally, perhaps in the evening, you sometimes feel a little better and can do a few more things?

 

Do you ever have days where you have no symptoms and feel just like your old pre-drug self?

 

I hope your recovery is back on track soon, I'm sure it will be.

 

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Petu, thanks for your message, i will answer your questions soon...

 

I continue to be very severe, I can no longer look after my son or take him to school, I think i will have to end the relasionship i started and ask my mother to come and cr=are for me again

 

I was so foolish to take the ibu, i took my last 2 last thursday, friday was horrendous, saturday i thought halfway through the day i was improving and then on sunday i was functioning albiet with severe nausea...

 

sunday night i took a paracetamol as surely there is no drug interaction, not that i could see

 

monday the nausea was out of control, 4 days of no food, tuesday is was game over, every sympto known to man came bcak

 

i took another paracetamol on tuesday night

 

wednesday the nausea still extreme and the terror and dread extreme, feeling like im on lsd and out of control all day with the MOST severe akathisia at night

 

and herei am thursday morning with HELL running through my vains, could the paracetamol be adding to it? or os this still the reaction to the ibuprophen? i basically missed a dose and reduced drastically a few more given the half life of ibuprophen...i had forgotten that 2 years ago, my mother, who is on seroxat went into severe withdrawal when taking ibuprophen...so i know it stops them from working...im hopeless, suicidal and devestated

damaged by citalopram - severe suffering for 3 years now...no improvement

 

akathsiia, pgad, dp/dr, terror, and so SO many more daily

 

severly disabled and lost everything

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Is paracetamol the same as acetaminophen? I believe it is a big depleter of glutathione, which could really affect someone in your shoes. How is your original infection? I am so very sorry.

1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13

Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15

11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)

9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

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yes but i dont think the detox angle really applies, bbut thankyou, this is from the ibuprophen, and i guess i need to sit tight and hope to stablise, and yes perhaps the paracetamol is also doing a number on me, i cant be sure of anything right now

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akathsiia, pgad, dp/dr, terror, and so SO many more daily

 

severly disabled and lost everything

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thankyou skyler, but sadly it doesnt answer my questions on if the paracetamol could also have been effecting me, its all about serotonin, now i know that ibuprophen iterferes with the ssri, and that has truley done a number on me, putting me back to where I was a year ago with no signs of remission...in fact, if anything, it could be getting worse....

 

but i cant find anything about paracetamol, i was hoping if it was the paraetamol then there was a chnace it was something active in my system and when it cleared out i would be ok, but that was stupid wishful thinking....

 

what has happened is that taking the ibuprophen has messed around with my dose, and that has caused this major major setback.....i KNEW I was living on borrowed time, I KNEW something would happen to end everything

 

so another relashionship lost, all my hope gone, i cant continue to live as i had been and that was not without difficulty....goodbye to the man i fell in love with, not that he wouldnt stand by me, byut this is something neither of us have a choice in, i simply am no longer capable of being anything but a screaming crying suicidal mess and that will continue for months at least,

 

i will cotact my mother in the next few days to return from spain where she lives so i dont lose my son completely, and return to the 3 years of hell that im oh so used to, game over once again, and the worst thing is that i cant even kill myself, as my son has been so effected by my husband leaving, if i die, he wont be able to cope, so I have to wait, and thats all my life has been and all it will be again, waiting for the glorious day when at last im free to die, cant wait, it would be so so beautiful.

damaged by citalopram - severe suffering for 3 years now...no improvement

 

akathsiia, pgad, dp/dr, terror, and so SO many more daily

 

severly disabled and lost everything

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Iggy -I'm sure btdt has had many reactions in the past to loads of stuff. The fall out doesn't seem to last that long.

 

I'm sure this reaction will be short lived...don't lose hope.

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Severe adverse reaction

Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on.

Poop out - December 2013

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1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13

Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15

11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)

9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

56 years old

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3/15/16 Clonidine mg 0.1 1/2 -    Decreasing incrementally.  DISCONTINUED

10/9/16  Doxepin 48.9  Zoloft 24.3  Clonidine  01.10  Continuing micro taper on Doxepin.

11/16/16 Doxepin 48mg  Zoloft 24.3mg  Clonidine 1.30mg

5/4/17  Doxepin 45mg  Zoloft 24mg  Clonidine 1.20mg   Micro taper of Doxepin  , Clonidine

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thanks for the links, hmmm so it does seem that paracetamol is linking with serotonin somehow...it would make sense, this is the time line

 

Tuesday - normal functioning odd bit of akathisia not much else, but toothache

 

wednesday - 6 ibuprophen - some anxiety over toothache but not much else new

 

thursday - wake with terror and dread running through my vains, sit up, cant see for the DP/DR, INTENSE NAUSEA feel like im on acid, waves of dread and panic washing over me, head rushes and so much more...continues all day...being a fool I take 2 more ibuprophen

 

Friday - even worse, very severe with all of the abouve, desperate

 

saturday - half way through the day start to feel a little better, manage to go to shops, go out that evening and play pool...have hope,

 

sunday - very intense nausea but not much else, apart from tooth pain....take a paracetamol

 

monday - nausea gets worse...blame it on eating sunday night (wasnt able to tolerate food until then) also feeling alot of dp/dr

 

tuesday - even worse, severe like on friday and thursday - take another paraetamol

 

wednesday - severe still and with intense nausea (i will take the nausea, its the rest) in the evening SEVERE akathisia kicks in

 

thursday (today) - wake with intense terror and dp/dr stagger up the road taking my son to school heving every step i take, blurred vision, feel like im on acid, desperate....cry and sob all the way home while heaving, crawl into bed, hallucinations, terror, akathisia, waves of panic and dread....finish my boyfriend who i have fallen in love with, contact my mother and put her on stand by to come so i dont lose my child

 

so the last pill I took was on tuesday night, if only it could be that i can recover from this quickly, not completely, i wouldnt even expect that, but just enough to cope, to try and live, just a little, or NOT live a life but not siffer, I would live in a sealed room in the dark if i didnt suffer so much, really i would

damaged by citalopram - severe suffering for 3 years now...no improvement

 

akathsiia, pgad, dp/dr, terror, and so SO many more daily

 

severly disabled and lost everything

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I was complaciant, I was foolish, I *should* have known...a friend in withdrawal contacted me saying they were in a wave, he insisted he had made no changes and this wave had come out of no where....after some conversation and questioning i got out of him that he had started a new smoothie before this containing what/?? yup loads of fresh ginger....

 

as soon as I saw ginger I knew that was the problem, ginger has sucha  profound effect on the serotonin system.....so me, ME who knows instantly that ginger will cause trouble, taking 8 IBUPROPHEN?!?!?!?!?!?!?! what in the name of god was I thinking, I really have more knowledge than to do that, but I did it,

 

It was becasue I had asked a couple of people who said they were find on ibu....but i didnt take into account that those people were drug free...idiot, now I have ruined my life, I have hurt the man who not only I fell in love with, but who fell in love with me, who loved my son and who my son loved.....I was SO grateful that I had some kind of life, I was living, sometimes it was hard but I was LIVING...I had my hair cut, I bought clothes, I went to the shops, the cinema, I went on dates and made love..things I hadnt done for YEARS....I attended parents eveing, I laughed in pubs, played pool, men started to look at me again, I was attractive, I was fun, I found myself again, I onsidered work and even though I wasnt ready, that was ok...i had hope.....

 

some days, the akathisia was very strong, but it was mostly for a reason, my period, eostrogen rising in the week after my period (always my worst time, this is where i am now in my cycle) a virus (always ramps me up)...and having these things to point to, a reason they were happening and that they would pass soon, comforted me enough to cope......living came back so naturally

 

but my god, when I woke up on thursday morning last week, it all came back to me, and it was all consuming, and has not left...al those things I mentioned mean NOTHING anymore, all I want is to die, its the only thing I can think of, end the suffering, escape, make it stop, just curl up and it can float away.......what was I thinking? living on borrowed time, i was really was....

damaged by citalopram - severe suffering for 3 years now...no improvement

 

akathsiia, pgad, dp/dr, terror, and so SO many more daily

 

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Or you could just call the guy, tell him you accidentally took meds that don't agree with you, can we please just delete the last week, and just do whatever you need to distract yourself for a few days till you feel better.

1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13

Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15

11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)

9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

56 years old

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Hi Iggy. This could all pass much better than you expect. I'm very sorry about your relationship. It would be a shame to finish a great relationship - you could feel much better sooner than you think. Does this guy know about all you've been through? Is he supportive of it? Perhaps he would want to be there with you to help you through it.

 

Sometimes people do get a random wave out of the blue that is more severe than previous ones after they have felt better for a while. It could happen for no reason. These waves usually pass pretty quickly. You may find it goes quickly and you feel better after it than you did previously.

The only way out is through.

 

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Thnka sguys

 

yes he knows all about it and says hes not oging anywhere, sadly I have told him that its not upto hi, OR ME, i have no control over anything, I loved him, I was happy and Im heartbroken, but thats the keast of my worrys...

 

theres no doubt in my mind that this was a result of the ibuprophen, you only have to look at the timeline of events, and the fact that we know ibu interacts with ssris....

 

perhaps it will pass quiker than i think, thats not out of the question, but ive been here before...and i think from experience that im looking at months of hell, and most likely not getting bak to where I was before, as it was finding this man and falling in love that wiped alot of symptoms out, endorphins, which have always helped me....

 

i know endorphins help me as the following things relive my symptom

 

pain

sex

excitement

watching sports that matter

singing

 

i also knew that the glow of a new relationship wouldnt last, and the symptoms would return, but thats not what has happened here, im having so many head sensations right now, i can FEEL things happening in my brain, the brain has no feeling? HA! I have patches of heat, cold, prickling, not in my head, in my BRAIN..i can feel bad things happening, and this always happens when things are about to get worse..my head is also pounding, dont feel sick right now though, ill take what i can get

damaged by citalopram - severe suffering for 3 years now...no improvement

 

akathsiia, pgad, dp/dr, terror, and so SO many more daily

 

severly disabled and lost everything

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