MrDenton: Withdrawal update thread

[MrDenton]

Hello,

 

From this June i have tapperd in steps of 5% every 3 weeks but my last drop was in october, and i do not know when can i tapper again. From November to today i have had 5 days when i felt normal, other than that i have had what seems to be like a constant flu, all regular flu symtoms, like i get infected over and over and over again,  These are my symptoms

i am cold and i often feel cold shivers that are common to flu,headach,extreme weakness muscle weakness, back pain, chest pain, muscle pain, but i never have temperature. Every day at least once i have extra beat or missed beat, which i can feel in my throat, this occasional arrythmia has also stayed for 2 month now and is very uncomfortable. Doctors have done almost every test: heart was monitored and EKG done on numerous times, everything was normal, blood pressure also normal. Lymph nodes in my neck are painful and i have slight caugh without sore throat: throat culture was normal, tonsils normal. For 2 month also i have had diarrhoea and constipation ( yes they coexist: in the morning the first half is flabby or watery and then the end is costive), stomach hurts- i had stomach gastroscopy done to learn that everything seems to be fine.

 

They only tests that show something are blood tests, but these only seem to confuse all the doctors. I have low white blood cell count 3,0- 3,48, and blood also shows slight inflammation ( low WBC count has been registered  for a longer period :on 6 occasions during the year), but blood percentage and red blood cells are very good. 1,5 month back they gave me antibiotics for mycoplasma and chlamydia pneumonia but nothing has changed ( and yes i had somach problems before antibiotics).

 

Could these be related to withdrawal? I have never had that long lasting flu symptoms from reducing the dosage (usually ony for a few days). Could this be that i now have different symptoms (what i usually have and what i also experience currently are balance problems vision problems, derealization, brain fog, memory problems, negativity). Or is it that paroxetine has messed with my immune system and now i catch viruses and bacteria very easily.

 

Any suggestions or similar experiences?

 

 

Thanks!

[cymbaltawithdrawal5600]

Welcome to SA, Mr D.

 

You are indeed probably suffering from Paxil Flu which can occur when you start withdrawing from the drug. It can happen at any time even if you have never had problems reducing the drug in the past. The link I provided describes it.

 

Read the article and come back to your thread here and let us know if this describes your situation. I know your sig says you tapered 10% but was that 10% of the CURRENT dose or a straight 10% of the starting dose each time? If it was the latter then you may have gone too fast this time and you not have given your body time to adjust between cuts. This can happen the more times you stop, start or change drugs.

 

These links give more information about suggestions for tapering:

 

The Rule of 3KIS

 

Why taper by 10% of my dosage?

 

What is withdrawal syndrome?

 

Tips for tapering Paxil

[mammaP]

Hi MrDenton, welcome to SA. I moved your post to the intro forum because it is specifically about your taper.

This will be your thread to update with your progress and ask questions about your taper. 

 

Yes flu like symptoms are very common in withdrawal, and many people

react to antibiotics so that may have upset things a little too, although they are sometimes are necessary. 

 

You say you taper 5-10% every 3 weeks. That is a good taper but the 5-10% concerns me a little as it is 

not very consistent if you taper 5% one time and 10% another.  Here at SA we recommend no more than 10%

of the current dose every 4 weeks. You have done great and better than most who arrive here (myself included),

but it just seems that it may have been a little inconsistent. Don't worry too much because this will pass. Your brain 

and nervous system just need time to catch up and stabilise. Just hold where you are and things will improve. When

you have stabilised you can start to taper from the last few mgs.

 

Do you take anything else at all? Any supplements? Many people here find magnesium and fish oil to be very 

helpful in withdrawal.  I will get some links for you to some topics that might help. 

Dr Joseph Glenmullen's withdrawal checklist mentions flu like symptoms,

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4361-tips-for-tapering-off-stomach-acid-blockers-or-ppis-esomeprazole-lansoprazole-omeprazole/

 

What is withdrawal syndrome? http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/603-what-is-withdrawal-syndrome/

 

Tapering seroxat  (paroxetine) http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/405-tips-for-tapering-off-paxil-paroxetine/

 

The most important of all the 3 KIS. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/6632-the-rule-of-3kis-keep-it-simple-keep-it-slow-keep-it-stable/

 

This will get better but it will take time, take care of yourself in the meantime and eat nutritious food,

gentle exercise and plenty of sleep if you can. There are many topics in the symptoms and self care forum that may help. 

 

Thank you for filling out your signature, it is very helpful. 

[mammaP]

Haha, CW types much faster than I do, so you have a double dose of mod input 

[MrDenton]

Hello all and thank you for those who have made this forum possible!

 

I was also an ex PP.org member used to have the same nick name so someone might recognize me.

 

I developted anxiety and panic disorder from overstudying and irregular sleep. It hit me hard with all the 20 plus symptoms listed at wikipedia.org, did my best to battle it naturally but thing went for the worse till i was not able to speak nor read anymore( my life consisted of crawling on the floors, trips to ER and calling for the ambulance).

 

Started paroxetine ( seroxat) 20 mg and 15 mg remeron for sleep. Things went also back to normal and i felt newborn, over time i started to feel anxiety levels growing and i had to constantly rise my paroxetine dose, while my doctor told me that this is not a sigh of addiction but i am simply searching for my right dose ( i did not think back then that it was pretty weird to look for the right dose for 2 years straight). She told me i can start reducing after i have felt 6 month completely healty but with all the side effects from the drug, that was never going to happen. All that happened was that in 2013 i was on 33mg seroxat and did not feel good,and when my psychiatrist told me to rise my dosage to 40 mg. i started to look for a different solution.

 

Another thing happened to me on 2 sepparate occasion which made me seriously doubt the medications i was on (paxil + remeron). I might have had serotonin syndrome for 2 times, first time i wake up and  felt something bad is going to happen and then with the unimaginable force i get fever ,cold sweat, diarrhoea, 95% of life power gone. The second time this episode happened ( again had a bad dream, woke up and felt very sick, saw a green migrene aura and again these symptoms coming with full force only this time i lost my conciousness, when i woke up on the floor the symptoms were gone.

 

After that I knew i must make changes  as this was simply the most horrifying experience of my life and really scared me ( and i though i was a tough guy who had competed in mixed matial arts and boxed regulary). I tappered from remeron in 2 month.

 

2013 March started Paroxetine tapper 33 mg's. Took a big step back in 2014 January to May since i could not get rid of insmonia and had to raise from 4,4mg-6,4mg.   Took slower 5% steps this time and am currently at 4.38mg's and sleep well but have other problems and because of that have not tapped in 3 month.

 

Even though i feel bad on majority of my days and sometimes really bad- after i quit remeron and reduced seroxat i have not had these very strong night anxiety attacks and not a single attack like the 2 i described above. I am 30 years young and other than health concerns i have a beautiful life and am surrounded by wonderful people, I hope i will make it, if others have succeeded so will I.

 

 

[cymbaltawithdrawal5600]

Mr. D,

 

I moved your most recent post into your intro topic and here is where you will post all of your updates and ask any questions pertaining to your situation specifically. It makes things seem a little out of order but people will get the idea.

[MrDenton]

Thank you both, sorry of making 2 threads, i got your system now, will post here now on:-) MammaP I made changes in my signature, yes i tappred 5-10% from my current dose. From July 2014 i have only used 5% steps to prevent insomnia.

 

Will read materials you posted. Thank you!

[btdt]

I just learned something new I had no idea the flu could happen anytime during withdrawal I am curious if it can happen in pooped out too if so I think I have had it strangely enough I think I have been  having it again this year as the symptoms listed above are exact to what has been going on with me this past year. Since it is listed in a topic called paxil flu I have likely never read it... as I have not taken paxil in a very very long time even prior to ct... all that said about how it relates to me personally.  

Mr. Denton 

I am curious about your blood cells are they larger... sorry I can't recall the name of the test just now... would have to go read paper work... I know you said there was only one blood test that was irregular... the white count.  I wonder if the did this other test. MCV large size blood vessels I had this repeatedly... would have to look for other blood word ... of course I have it.. I am a pack rat....

 

I have to say I am surprised by this just when I thought I could not be surprised does anyone know why this happens so far into withdrawal ... when my understanding was that the flu was an initial withdrawal symptom it made some sense but having it come on part way thru withdrawal is new to me... and changes how I think about it. 

Any ideas as to why?

[MrDenton]

Hey there, i also replied in the other thread you made. You know, for me, many times after reducing dosage after a few days to 1 week i got flue like symtoms that never lasted more than a week, now they started 1 month or more after the 5% tapper and have lasted since November with no signs of stopping. So what is new in my case is the lenght of that flu period.

 

Also, now i noticed my blood MCV has been in the for a while in the low end of what is considered normal but now that you mention MCV i looked at me last test my MCV was 83 fl and behind that a normal value is marked 84-98 fl. I do not know what it means, but i will ask on Tuesday.

 

And you know what what drives me crazy??It is possible that it is real flu:O Some inactive viruses that are very common are in most human beings (so you do not have to go out to get infected they are already there) and they activate when the immune system is compromised. My white blood cell count (WBC) is lowish (i have 3.0-3.4 and usually normal is 4,5-10 some say 3,5 to 8, in either case my count is low but not extremly low) and body uses these cells to fight viruses and bacteria (usually by even raising the wbc count)in my body there are probably too few these cells to fight the disease or a long period of inflammation has caused them to stay low.

 

If i was in your shoes i'd do a clinical blood ( the basic blood test) to see whats your wbc count, in what condition are the lymphocytes and neutrophiles (these show if there is current inflammation in the body)----if you do not know then all of these you will get from one test. Then i also would check for 2 viruses that are common and stay in the body for most people these are: EBV (epstein barr virus) and CMV (cytomegalovirus). If you do not have current infection with these, your wbc is good and blood shows no signs of inflammation there is a big chance it might be SSRI related.

[btdt]

I have an apt to see my doctor but she will not check what I want her too I know she won't do CMV or EBV... even if I ask she is already fed up with me reaction to medications and refusing some... a lot actually that she has tried to put me on.  Like statins for lipid reduction and others I just wont take them... I read a post on here I think it was Ang who said her daughter was put on ssri to reduce her white cell count... I may have made a mistake with that... will get back to you if I find it just now I am tired... so off to sleep.

peace 

[ang]

Hello,

 

From this June i have tapperd in steps of 5% every 3 weeks but my last drop was in october, and i do not know when can i tapper again. From November to today i have had 5 days when i felt normal, other than that i have had what seems to be like a constant flu, all regular flu symtoms, like i get infected over and over and over again,  These are my symptoms

i am cold and i often feel cold shivers that are common to flu,headach,extreme weakness muscle weakness, back pain, chest pain, muscle pain, but i never have temperature. Every day at least once i have extra beat or missed beat, which i can feel in my throat, this occasional arrythmia has also stayed for 2 month now and is very uncomfortable. Doctors have done almost every test: heart was monitored and EKG done on numerous times, everything was normal, blood pressure also normal. Lymph nodes in my neck are painful and i have slight caugh without sore throat: throat culture was normal, tonsils normal. For 2 month also i have had diarrhoea and constipation ( yes they coexist: in the morning the first half is flabby or watery and then the end is costive), stomach hurts- i had stomach gastroscopy done to learn that everything seems to be fine.

 

They only tests that show something are blood tests, but these only seem to confuse all the doctors. I have low white blood cell count 3,0- 3,48, and blood also shows slight inflammation ( low WBC count has been registered  for a longer period :on 6 occasions during the year), but blood percentage and red blood cells are very good. 1,5 month back they gave me antibiotics for mycoplasma and chlamydia pneumonia but nothing has changed ( and yes i had somach problems before antibiotics).

 

Could these be related to withdrawal? I have never had that long lasting flu symptoms from reducing the dosage (usually ony for a few days). Could this be that i now have different symptoms (what i usually have and what i also experience currently are balance problems vision problems, derealization, brain fog, memory problems, negativity). Or is it that paroxetine has messed with my immune system and now i catch viruses and bacteria very easily.

 

Any suggestions or similar experiences?

 

 

Thanks!

Hi,  I was a phlebotomist and pathology technician pre AD.       Anyhow it is now recognised  Low white cell count is a common side effect of AD use.  My daughter was prescribed AD to "lower her white cell count"... which is a ridiculous use of an AD, this prescribed by a gp, so even gps know of this effect.   Luckily she only tried this for two weeks.

 

Flu symptoms, yes took me totally by surprise,  hot, cold, blocked nose, constant sneezing. Unable to control body temperature, but no fever.  Lasted about 5-6 weeks I think.  

[ang]

I just learned something new I had no idea the flu could happen anytime during withdrawal I am curious if it can happen in pooped out too if so I think I have had it strangely enough I think I have been  having it again this year as the symptoms listed above are exact to what has been going on with me this past year. Since it is listed in a topic called paxil flu I have likely never read it... as I have not taken paxil in a very very long time even prior to ct... all that said about how it relates to me personally.  

Mr. Denton 

I am curious about your blood cells are they larger... sorry I can't recall the name of the test just now... would have to go read paper work... I know you said there was only one blood test that was irregular... the white count.  I wonder if the did this other test. MCV large size blood vessels I had this repeatedly... would have to look for other blood word ... of course I have it.. I am a pack rat....

 

I have to say I am surprised by this just when I thought I could not be surprised does anyone know why this happens so far into withdrawal ... when my understanding was that the flu was an initial withdrawal symptom it made some sense but having it come on part way thru withdrawal is new to me... and changes how I think about it. 

Any ideas as to why?

I had it last year, while on Zoloft, post effexor.   I didn't recognise it then, I do now.  I never been on paxil, and I got it again 4 months after giving up all AD.   It is not just common for Paxil.  I believe it is common to all of them.   GPs are aware that AD reduce white cell count.   (Six months ago my daughter was prescribed AD for high white cell count)...prescribe an AD because you have an undiagnosed infection?  World has gone crazy.  Now I know why...    

[ang]

I have an apt to see my doctor but she will not check what I want her too I know she won't do CMV or EBV... even if I ask she is already fed up with me reaction to medications and refusing some... a lot actually that she has tried to put me on.  Like statins for lipid reduction and others I just wont take them... I read a post on here I think it was Ang who said her daughter was put on ssri to reduce her white cell count... I may have made a mistake with that... will get back to you if I find it just now I am tired... so off to sleep.

peace 

My advice, dont bother with tests.  Why?  All tests are analysed into an average.   This average is an illusion, rubbish anyway.   Healthy people include  the  20 percent out of those  that even though are takien into account in this statistical average, are a part of the average, and statistical process, and quite healthy..... ie those 20 percent, using statistics, are outside of the new äverage".  Take kids in exams,  10 percent are always below average, 10 percent above average,  10 percent below average height, 10 percent above average height.  We do not medicate kids to make them fit this average........that is how averages work......

 

So 20 percent of people are extremely healthy, whether being overly fat, or overly thin, or having a low white cell count.  Or having high or low blood pressure.  But modern medicine somehow tries to fit everyone into the mid range average. How ridiculous is this, but it is done, in Western medicine, quite absurd.  So people get medicated, when actually they are not sick at all.  

 

How many, many people out there are so unhealthy, because they have been medicated to fit an illusion that this average is correct. 20 percent of people will always be outside this average, even though perfectly healthy.  

 

Psychiatry is not even based on this, and medication is given, but if psychiatry were to judge us using tests, blood tests, brain wave tests, everything, still 20% of us would be medicated to fit into the this ridiculous average.

[ang]

So why bother with tests?  If you prove, yes your white cell count is different, or your something else is different, would you medicate to "fix this", so why have the tests.  If you want to medicate, go for tests. But if you dont understand the results of the tests yourself.......doctors do not know our personal biological histories... ......   Then you just have more side effects, from more medications, and if you original problems are caused by WD, which they most probably are, you will fit a statistical average of wellness, but still be sick.

 

If the AD had reduced my daughters White Cell count, she would have fitted into this irrelevant statistical average, and be more sick, as no one knows why her White Cell count is high, or indeed, if that may just be normal for her, or if her bone infection has returned, just dont know.  The tests would then say she was "well" when in reality she would be sicker.  If she is fighting an infection, which causes a bodys natural defences to increase white cell count.........is artificially reducing them helping her to fight the infection?  No she would be sicker.  No white cells to fight the infection.  Just because the gp can not find a reason for a high white cell count, doesn't mean it should be medicated, That is absurd.

 

For me, the psych wanted to put me on methodone, for drinking a bottle of wine a night  (ie all psych problems must be related to the alcohol, not the effexor? seroquol ?  tegretol?  hummm)....  and then it was I needed high blood pressure medication, and my liver was sufffering also.  

 

Well now I find my liver has recovered, (despite still drinking the wine)  will give that one up later, perhaps.  My high blood pressure has miraculously disappeared.  I now can recognise when I have had enough alcohol, while on AD meds, this insight was sadly lacking.  While on AD every insight into myself was very sadly lacking.

 

Yes being an ex pathologist, is like, never take more than three drugs... somehow that is etched into my mind, never take any if at all possible, one of those no go zones, one that will never be erased in my brain. And ALL DRUGS HAVE BAD SIDE EFFECTS.  It will be either the drugs that kill you, or the disease.  More than three drugs, time to give one up....

 

You have no way of knowing what is interacting with what, never know what drug is covering the side effects of the other,  end up taking more and more, like that poor lady in USA on some talk back show taking 30...my god, wouldnt be any room for food......  multidrugging.    Most of us have suffered.

 

My sister (now I know she had lost her self insight also, bragged about how many pills she could swallow at once?  Yes all AD ****.).  The mis belief that ""everyone takes tablets", along with her misbelief that ""everyone smokes,  "everyone drinks", "" the drug companie know all depressed people drink so they have designed tablets in full knowledge, and they dont interact with alcohol""" and everyone smokes, and most people also smoke pot. pot... all just a lack of insight.  Not everyone does these things, but she truly believes it.

 

Besides, I never had liver problems, or high blood pressure, or anything, pre drugs.  For 7 or 8 years pre effexor, I never even took a panadol.  And I rarely drank wine. Or any alcohol.  Never smoked.  

 

So then I did the very, very unsuccessful taper from three drugs,  massive dive, ended up on about five, in desperation, all much higher doses.     This time, I am faring much, much better. Thanks to this site, and that never take more than three drugs, as they may be causing your problem, etched in my mind.

 

Also, every medication has side effects, so it becomes what will kill you?  The medication or the "disease".   I still recall very clearly someone I know closely, their mother died from Arthritis, very crippled.  Very awful.    He  got badly burnt, but refused pain meds.  He honestly told me that he truly believed all the medications his mother was on just made her worse.  I have met lots and lots of others, my age, who dont take anything, not even an aspirin.

 

If I kick all this stuff, I intend to follow this ideal. 

[Altostrata]

Welcome, MrDenton.

 

Whatever the source of your symptoms, it might be wise to stop tapering for a month or two, so your system doesn't have to cope with that, too.

 

If they are withdrawal symptoms, they should lessen as you hold on tapering.

 

Your low-normal white blood cell count might be a red herring, see http://www.mayoclinic.org/symptoms/low-white-blood-cell-count/basics/definition/sym-20050615

[MrDenton]

Thank you btdt, thank you ang thank you altostrata. Last week went to see a top hematologist in the country, and my blood test's made him really angry at my regular doctor ( in my country every one is assigned a doctor who will deal with smaller problems but has the right to send you to see a specialist when he in my case she is out of ideas) because he found my blood to be perfectly normal without any indication to inflammation or to some bad blood disorder. He said that there are many people with lower WBC count than what is generally considered normal. 

 

IT was bitter/sweet, it was good for once to see a doctor who you see is really smart and knows his stuff, it was also good to know that i do not have something nasty going on with my blood, but in the other hand it made me angy: my regular doctor had been telling my for a year i had inflammation but in actuality  she just did not know the basics of reading the clinical blood chart! 

 

 I had 4 days when i felt better again and one day when i felt really happy ( it gave me lots of confidence and strenght that it is possible to feel good on a low a low dose of SSRI's, and that it will also be possible for me to feel good when i have tappered it off). but then it started again, flu like stuff coming for the past 2 days.

 

 I have a question, I am now pretty convinced that all that flu stuff is nothing but withdrawals but there is one thing that concernes me, any opinions own experiences are welcomed: 

 

EXhaustion, i have exhaustion and not the type when you feel that you do not have strenght to do anything but doing anything makes me out of breath, ( like i was sprinting) on my worst days when i got up my pulse raised to 120 (than on the next morning it was fine) and i was out of air again and i had to crawl on the floor because that took my pulse down. Today i felt pretty good but again when i made a few faster steps, again out of breath ( or huffing for more air). It feels different than the shortness of breath which i also have from time to time, it feels exactly like i was somone who has never done any cardio work in his life and will get tired as soon as one moves ( but i have done lots of sports in my 30 years, and at some point could have been considered an amateur sportsmen). Sometimes it is accompanied by weak leags on other days legs feel normal? these symptoms also started this november but i have had cycle of this in the just past not that intence (last timetaking stairs was hard). And it is making me worry because i know a lot of people feel very bad during withdrawals but many of them can go running or do some other sports in my case walk in the park seems to be the best i can do.

 

Any personal experiences? Might this also be withdrawal related?

 

Thank you all:)

[btdt]

"EXhaustion, i have exhaustion and not the type when you feel that you do not have strenght to do anything but doing anything makes me out of breath, ( like i was sprinting) on my worst days when i got up my pulse raised to 120 (than on the next morning it was fine) and i was out of air again and i had to crawl on the floor because that took my pulse down. Today i felt pretty good but again when i made a few faster steps, again out of breath ( or huffing for more air). It feels different than the shortness of breath which i also have from time to time, it feels exactly like i was somone who has never done any cardio work in his life and will get tired as soon as he moves ( but i have done lots of sports in my 30 years, and at some point could have been considered an amateur sportsmen). Sometimes it is accompanied by weak leags on other days legs feel normal? these symptoms also started this november but i have had cycle of this in the past not that intence (taking stairs was hard). And it is making my worry because i know a lot of people feel very bad during withdrawals but many of them can go running or do some other sports in my case walk in the park seems to be the best i can do.'

 

Me again Denton. 

yep I have had it don't do it...

when your like that lay down stay down.. 

move slowly do everything slow that is what I did around the same time I started to sit up to sleep too as I could no breath laying down. I don't know who these people are who can exercise in wd but early on it sure was not me... 

I had high and low blood pressure too 

When I was still on effexor I was put on a bp med cause my bp would spike very high.. what we learned I can't recall if it was while I was on or after I went off Effexor but around that time we learned that my bp goes low to...up then down.  both if I am on a bp drug when it goes down it goes way too low. 

I had a heart monitor a ultra sound of my heart ... none of it showed anything the neurologist sent a note to my gp saying if he felt unable to handle it to send me to a heart specialist but the gp never did send me. 

End of the day for me this was never explained to me.. why my bp went up and down or if that was the reason I could not breath at times.  Once when I went to emerg because I could not breath I was seen by a respiratory specialist young kid he came in checked me out and told me I had COPD I looked right at him and said no I don't ... you don't get that in a day.  They gave me a ventalin treatment then I think some things to take at home to help me breath puffers.  I reacted to the puffers so used them rarely... I stopped trying to do anything strenuous... walked very slowly got up and down slowly.  I did not find a cause other than just more wd crap... one more thing on the unknown list I got use to it after awhile.  

My only advice is take things very slow do NOT push your body now it is trying to heal... pushing does nothing to help. 

There you have it for what it is worth my experience.  

I got back to basics when I was able only as I was able... slowly walking ... a bit more as I could I don't think I have ever ran since before I quit effexor in 2007 to this day I would not chance it a fast walk is good enough for me... I was athletic and in good shape too as I had a very physical job... lol makes me laugh to think of it but stripping is a very physical job kept me in shape at least lose that lose your money...

so that is it end of my story

I wish you peace

[MrDenton]

 

 

 walked very slowly got up and down slowly.  

 Funny you mention this, i have also noticed that i have to even lay down slowly since it seems that now it takes longer for my heart to react, and when i sit down fast i often get a missed or an extra beat.

 

And what is also funny how these things change sometimes many times during a day, that day i got up with a 120 pulse and had to lay down because it made me feel horrible, 30 minutes later i suddenly felt fine and could walk normally for the rest of the days, even took the stairs. Sometimes i also have back pain and it makes me think i have heart problems even though i am pretty sure i have not.

[MrDenton]

 I was athletic and in good shape too as I had a very physical job... lol makes me laugh to think of it but stripping is a very physical job kept me in shape at least lose that lose your money...

so that is it end of my story

I wish you peace

I am sure you will improve over time and can run or even strip if you want to! Your replies are well appriciated and i wish you the best as well!

[btdt]

 

 I was athletic and in good shape too as I had a very physical job... lol makes me laugh to think of it but stripping is a very physical job kept me in shape at least lose that lose your money...

so that is it end of my story

I wish you peace

I am sure you will improve over time and can run or even strip if you want to! Your replies are well appriciated and i wish you the best as well!

 

You know I am not so sure any more it has been a long time tho I should not say that on here I have maybe improved all I am going to it has been years... 

Since I can't let my bp get up or I get a pain in my head I doubt you will see me on a stage anywhere soon.. so the world is safe too old for that now was too old for it then but had no sense due to drugs... 

I wish it would improve I just don't see...it... still I hope your right. 

peace

[MrDenton]

Psychiatry is not even based on this, and medication is given, but if psychiatry were to judge us using tests, blood tests, brain wave tests, everything, still 20% of us would be medicated to fit into the this ridiculous average.

 

 

 

That is a brilliant thought, and I completely agree!!

[MrDenton]

This board went nuts i only posted the above once! Please delete the others. thank you!  Also is it possible to change the title of this Thread to : MR. Dentons withdrawal update thread.

[dalsaan]

This board went nuts i only posted the above once! Please delete the others. thank you!  Also is it possible to change the title of this Thread to : MR. Dentons withdrawal update thread.

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[MrDenton]

Fellow members of the board, i seem to be going through a toughest period of withdrawal so far. Some symptoms are getting especially scary. I am weak and fatigued all the time. When i lay down my body feels so heavy that raising a hand takes serious effort, my legs seem like they are going to fall through the bed as they weight a ton (each).. it is scary as heavy legs is supposed to be a major symptom of serious heart problems. Like another member (btdt) has written i also must sleep in a sitting position as i can not breathe well when i lay down, when i am not moving my heart rate uncomfortably  slow (44-50 bp) when i move a little it gets high, when i stand up at first it goes over 100bp and takes a while to stabilize when take a longer walk i become out of breath, and my upper back starts to hurt.  Sometimes when i rest my hearts starts to beat so strongly that i can feel it with my entire body along with chest discomfort.  These symptoms have kept me awake for several nights. Sometimes i feel a little better an can stand and walk without much problems then it gets worse again.

 

What gets me down is that it is becoming harder to believe that this is going to pass, it has been going on for months now. Doing all i can to stay positive and not be scared by the symptoms. I have scheduled appointments with more doctors next week.

[Altostrata]

MrDenton, do you recall your symptom pattern going back about 8 months? Was there a period when you were reducing Paxil and didn't feel any withdrawal symptoms?

 

Then, about 4 months ago, you stopped reducing your dosage, why did you do that?

[btdt]

Fellow members of the board, i seem to be going through a toughest period of withdrawal so far. Some symptoms are getting especially scary. I am weak and fatigued all the time. When i lay down my body feels so heavy that raising a hand takes serious effort, my legs seem like they are going to fall through the bed as they weight a ton (each).. it is scary as heavy legs is supposed to be a major symptom of serious heart problems. Like another member (btdt) has written i also must sleep in a sitting position as i can not breathe well when i lay down, when i am not moving my heart rate uncomfortably  slow (44-50 bp) when i move a little it gets high, when i stand up at first it goes over 100bp and takes a while to stabilize when take a longer walk i become out of breath, and my upper back starts to hurt.  Sometimes when i rest my hearts starts to beat so strongly that i can feel it with my entire body along with chest discomfort.  These symptoms have kept me awake for several nights. Sometimes i feel a little better an can stand and walk without much problems then it gets worse again.

 

What gets me down is that it is becoming harder to believe that this is going to pass, it has been going on for months now. Doing all i can to stay positive and not be scared by the symptoms. I have scheduled appointments with more doctors next week.

I am having some testing too just be safe but it is likely just wd crap. Keep us posted... prop up some pillows and sleep on an angle it is not bad peace

[MrDenton]

MrDenton, do you recall your symptom pattern going back about 8 months? Was there a period when you were reducing Paxil and didn't feel any withdrawal symptoms?

 

Then, about 4 months ago, you stopped reducing your dosage, why did you do that?

 

I'll try to take you back 1,5 years and go from there.   the general rule for me has been that after reducing my dosage I felt bad 1-3 weeks, usually a week. In 2013 october i had a bad tapper and the symptoms were presistent, stopping my tappering rythm. 1,5 month later i decided to reduce despite feeling bad and a miracle happened- to date this was the only time when i got better after reducing, and the remaining part of 2013 december i felt almost healty  could enjoy life and was very happy. After 2-3 weeks i decided to reduce 10% to get down to 4,4mg's ( as i usually reduced after 2-3 weeks, ) and insomnia kicked in, plus i got somach virus and a stuffy nose, insomnia did not improve and after 2 weeks ( in the middle of january 2014) i though maybe this time if i reduce i will again feel better like the last time. I was wrong, insomnia got only stronger (got rid of stomach virus , only blocked nose did not go away). I had no rem sleep whatsoever, tried melatonin for a month which helped only a little but caused other problems : stomach pain, hangover etc. I got weaker and weaker, in the middle of february 2014 i was almost a zombie with all my original anxiety symtoms and panic symptoms (that returned because of lack of sleep), my doctor told me that since remeron helped me to sleep when i first started taking meds, maybe it would be smart to start remeron again, so i can sleep and keep reducing paroxetine and then after i am done with seroxat, reduce remeron. I was so desperate that it seemed like a good idea. Unfortunately remeron this time did not help me sleep ( tried various dosages from 5mg to 15 mg- i have never taken more than 15mg), only made me more anxious, and added other weird symptoms, stopped taking remeron (i think i did not take it longer than 2 weeks and actually felt better and more clear after stopping). So I did the only thing i could, updose paroxetine ( then at least i am on only one medication), Updose immidiately improved the situation, I updosed little by little and in 3 weeks felt able to sleep again at 6 mg,s. Decided not to reduce it till my school is over and summer has started. So in in april-june 2014 i was on 6 mg's.. In June i started reducing again but decided to go slower in hope of getting past extreme insomnia (the only symtom that i yet feel i can not beat). My new rythm was going to be 5 % after each 3 weeks. So i did till 2014 october I was at 4,38 and started feeling insomnia again ( lighter) ,  decided to keep the dose until my sleeping would imrove (since i was certain, if i reduce more, a full blown insomnia will kick in). Sleep started improving, when for 2 days i slep bad on third day i would take half of 0,250 xanax and then try to sleep next day without it. It worked and i did not use xanax more than 10 times in 1 month. Started sleeping well again and was just ready to reduce the dosage when these flu like symptoms along with all the crap described in posts above started making made me change my tappering plans since sleep seemed to be the only thing that i had left, and if i reduced and insmonia also started i really would not see a lot of possibilities. 

 

Main problems at the moment: weakness, heart issues (palpilations, slow pulse, fast pulse), daily anxiety, diarrhoea with other weird toilet experiences (4th month straight), fatigue.

 

Thanks Altostrata