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Hi Altostrata. I have been feeling poorly since the cut but it has gotten worse. I've read that with mirt gets worse 2 weeks after a cut. This is it I'm pretty sure. It's not a bug, it's intense w/d. Well I did get a flu shot last Friday. I am getting slammed though, more than I'm used to with previous w/d's of ambien and traz. I feel my cutting/weighing is inaccurate even though I use the 10 mg weight. If I knew I had accuracy I would hold until stable. I don't want the mirt w/d to get to a point where I can't reinstate. It's been 2 weeks and 2 days. I think it would be okay, do you?

 

The thing is I found and visited a compound pharmacy today. They are willing to make a liquid mirt for me with only the cost of compounding. I will be bringing in the bottle of pills, so I will be getting the same brand too. I gave them a 2 week supply of pills today to convert to liquid for a trial.  I've only cut to 7.2 mirt and feel I can go back to the full 7.5 pill, wait a while to be stable, and then do the liquid. I'll be getting a bargain on the compounding, only $15 dollars a month. Is liquid more accurate? These darn pills are so tiny.

 

Marie

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savinggrace

Hi Marie,

i am on 4 mg. Remeron and have failed to get off it. I know how bad the w/d can be. I am not a moderator but I did want to tell you that switching from pills to liquid can cause some instability (I think because it absorbs differently). I did that once and had a very poor response but I am super-sensitized.  I know you need more precise measurement but you probably should allow yourself some time to change from pills to liquid. 

 

Hope you feel feel better soon. I think cutting remeron, for me, is about as difficult as tapering Valium. 

 

Not meant to discourage you....there is so much to consider. 

 

Grace

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marie123

Yes Mirt is a strong med. I've heard that but experiencing it is something else. So it was just a small cut .3 and I feel this pretty badly. It could have been bigger because using the scale can be inaccurate to say the least. I got away with it with ambien and trazodone though. I think Mirt is it's own special beast lol.

 

Grace do you think if I reinstated to 7.5 mirt (what I was taking) I can get back to where I was with holding there. I don't know but I have to rethink this cutting scenario. I have the opportunity to get liquid and try it. Maybe that will work better, with more accuracy?

 

How were you able to get to 4 mg?

 

Marie

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Altostrata
1 hour ago, marie123 said:

Hi Altostrata. I have been feeling poorly since the cut but it has gotten worse. I've read that with mirt gets worse 2 weeks after a cut. This is it I'm pretty sure. It's not a bug, it's intense w/d. Well I did get a flu shot last Friday. I am getting slammed though, more than I'm used to with previous w/d's of ambien and traz. I feel my cutting/weighing is inaccurate even though I use the 10 mg weight. If I knew I had accuracy I would hold until stable. I don't want the mirt w/d to get to a point where I can't reinstate. It's been 2 weeks and 2 days. I think it would be okay, do you?

 

The thing is I found and visited a compound pharmacy today. They are willing to make a liquid mirt for me with only the cost of compounding. I will be bringing in the bottle of pills, so I will be getting the same brand too. I gave them a 2 week supply of pills today to convert to liquid for a trial.  I've only cut to 7.2 mirt and feel I can go back to the full 7.5 pill, wait a while to be stable, and then do the liquid. I'll be getting a bargain on the compounding, only $15 dollars a month. Is liquid more accurate? These darn pills are so tiny.

 

Marie

 

Yes, I might go back to your prior dose asap.

 

That seems like a very good arrangement with the compounding pharmacy. The liquid will be more accurate. You'd change over gradually from the pills.

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15 minutes ago, marie123 said:

Yes Mirt is a strong med. I've heard that but experiencing it is something else. So it was just a small cut .3 and I feel this pretty badly. It could have been bigger because using the scale can be inaccurate to say the least. I got away with it with ambien and trazodone though. I think Mirt is it's own special beast lol.

 

Grace do you think if I reinstated to 7.5 mirt (what I was taking) I can get back to where I was with holding there. I don't know but I have to rethink this cutting scenario. I have the opportunity to get liquid and try it. Maybe that will work better, with more accuracy?

 

How were you able to get to 4 mg?

 

Marie

Marie,

 

I made the transition many many years ago. I found that 7.5 was too stimulating for me (which is a known fact; because of the neurotransmitters in it; more sedating at lower doses) I always feel the fatigue and lethargy you speak of as a withdrawal symptom. For me it is a side effect but I am way sicker when I don’t sleep. Are you sleeping?

 

Anyway, it was a very short transition because I slept better immediately which is why I was on it in the first place. I think now, a teeny tiny cut would do me in. 

 

I know how strong you are are so I feel like you must feel very very poorly to think about reinstating. If you do, I would go up to 7.5 or if you can tolerate it 7.4, stabilize, and then try the liquid (undoubtedly more accurate). Make sure you are stable though. Remember the calendar means nothing if following it sets you back. 

 

It is your call. Only you know how sick you feel. Updose or reinstate is my opinion only. 

 

Good luck

Grace

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Thanks Grace. I threw out my calendar years ago. I once said jokingly to someone, "by the time I've off these meds I'll be collecting social security". HA! This is going to be true in two more years. I think I will updose to 7.5.  I'll hold for a long time, then switch over to liquid with a mix of pills and liquid. The woman at the pharmacy I was impressed with. She said, "You might not be able to tolerate the liquid so just do a trial". Finally, someone who gets this. I had to bypass my doctor on this one. Talking to him was like talking to the wall. He's nice and writes my scripts.

 

I can't be this deep in withdrawal because I have to take care of family who will be getting a serious surgery soon. It does improve in the evening a bit.

 

Accuracy is most important with tapering Mirt. I'll keep telling myself that. Must try the liquid.

 

Marie

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savinggrace

Yes, just try it AFTER you feel better. 

 

Someone who gets it! Really?

That’s why we are here at SA. 

 

Keep us posted. I have been following you. You have to be well enough to take care of yourself and someone else. 

 

 

My guess is just a couple days and you will feel better. 

Grace

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I feel better today. Anxiety, nausea, and d/r is gone. I still feel like I could have a bug also, like a stomach virus? Frequent loose stools are happening. Feeling sorry for myself I had a big piece of carrot cake from the bakery late last night. I knew I'd pay for it and I did. In the middle of the night I woke up and ran to the bathroom. Well I am not embarrassed to say that I did not make it. What a mess! Today I will try to be good eating a lot of white rice, toast and bananas along with extra hydration.

 

Sometimes I feel like I'm going nuts or maybe I'm already nuts because I keep going trying to stop the meds. I'll wait until I am feeling good and stable and with no pressing issues going on, then I'll get onboard with the mirt taper. My first cut will probably be .1 lol.

 

Feel better everyone,

 

Marie

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Hi Marie,

I doubt you have a stomach bug.  This sounds too much like mirt w/d.  That carrot cake didn't help; oh, how I love carrot cake.  Your stomach is probably a little freaked out by the tapering change and needs more time to adjust, and then the added sugar...

 

You have a good plan.  As sick as you got,  a .1 cut is not laughable.

 

Grace

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Thanks grace for your support. It means a lot to me. Marie.

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Reach out any time, Marie. I get it more than you know!

 

You will feel even better tomorrow. 

 

Grace

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Alto was right. I actually do have a really bad virus, upper respiratory and stomach stuff. My significant other has it to. I'm very glad that I decided to go to my original mirt dose. Now was not the time to start a new taper. If I was deep into the taper sure keep going, but not now. I catch so many things so I believe my immune system is compromised somehow. I shouldn't get the flu at least. Going to get the liquid today and store it in the fridge for when I'm ready to start.

Marie.

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Indio

I stopped Trazodone 4 months ago on 12.5mg ...
The symptoms (anxiety, nervousness, tiredness, gastrointestinal problems and sleep) have been the worst, I have had some bad windows, and some good days and sleep is also getting better.
Hope all the better over time.
Despite the difficulties I never took Trazodone or any drugs.
Theanina helps a lot, melatonin, magnesium and omega 3 as well.

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Hi Indio. You should be fine. Just keep going. I noticed I felt better and better the longer I was not taking Traz. Your symptoms are all normal and will go away.

 

I hope you feel better soon. Marie.

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I have a really bad virus, upper respiratory and stomach stuff. I am so glad I did not continue my mirt taper. Now I have a mirt bottle in my fridge waiting until I feel better.

I believe everything happens for a reason. I searched for a compounding pharmacy because I was sick and thought it was because of inconsistent doses of mirt.

The first number I called was this pharmacy. They were so nice, understanding, and knowledgeable and told me I could just bring in my pills. I did not need a script from my doc which is unusual. This was a stroke of luck for me. When my significant other picked up the bottle, another woman there gave him another syringe (1ml) and showed him how I can make smaller cuts like .1, etc. So I have a 5 ml and 1 ml syringe.

 

Marie

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23 minutes ago, marie123 said:

Oi Indio. Você deveria ficar bem. Apenas continue. Percebi que me sentia cada vez melhor quanto mais eu não tomava Traz. Seus sintomas são normais e desaparecem.

 

Espero que te sintas melhor em breve. Marie.

Hi Marie
Thanks.
Trazodona is horrible ... with me it was horrible in reducing, as it has been for the last 4 months, but I hope to hold on and start feeling better.

All good for you.

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I have stabilized mostly from the reinstatement of mirt. I just have some buzzing on my arms when I take it at night. I have been weak from the virus/flu shot reaction/reinstatement. A trifecta! All is not lost though. I will wait a long time and regroup. I have a pharm liquid of mirt 7.5 mg/5 ml to use when I'm ready.

Be well everyone. Marie.

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Hi everyone. I am in a wave but I left withdrawal at home last night and went out to see a concert. I had tickets to someone that I love and wasn't going to miss it. My SO and I had a great time time the city. SPP was amazing.

 

So guess what today I have a simple cold. My SO brought it home since he works with the public. What is very strange is that I do not feel withdrawal whenever I have a simple cold. The symptoms dissipate. No morning dizzies, fogginess, etc. It's happened several times when I have had a cold. I've read others say that they are glad they have a cold because they feel normal. Interesting stuff, I wonder why it is?

 

5 years off Ambien

8 months off Trazodone

Mirtazapine you've got to go.

 

Feel better everyone. Marie.

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Hi everyone. I am having some really nice windows. I'm actually feeling good when I wake up too, no toxic mornings. This is very unusual for me. I feel deep healing is going on the longer I am away from trazodone. I will have a nice hold of a month or two, maybe until the new year. Not sure. I want to be in the best position to start the mirt taper. I will make tiny cuts.

 

Mirt is one bizarre drug. I have one strange symptom from it. I've had it since I was polydrugged and did not know which one caused it. I believe it's mirt.

When I lay down to rest or sleep I run through my day and the next day in my head. What happened, what I need to do the next day, etc. I would have a thought. Let's say I need to get a baby shower gift and a gift bag. I'll picture in my mind the gift I want (a teddy bear) and the gift bag that had a pic of bear on it. My thought would then "drift" to the teddy bear becoming alive and walking out of the store. I would call it a thought hallucination. I am not asleep when I have these. Those are the kind I get, very bizarre thought hallucinations. It does not happen when I am up and about doing things or just sitting around and they are never scary or bad. I have read on the forums people mention it here and there, so it's not just me lol.

 

Feel better everyone. Marie.

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Hi folks. The following is an excerpt from a forum I was reading concerning mirt:


As for what receptors Remeron effects, I spoke on the phone to a former psychiatrist of mine, who is a pharmacologist and is now working in-house at Glaxo-Smith Kline. I asked him whether Remeron would impede benzo healing and whether Remeron effected GABA. His answer floored me, although it shouldn't have considering what doctors with psych drugs have done to me and others on this forum. He told me that he didn't know. He said that, one time, he and some other doctors at Glaxo were drawing a diagram on a white board of the different neurotransmitters in the brain, and how an increase in one affected the others, and they were drawing arrows from system to system. He said that the picture that they drew on the board eventually devolved into scribble-scrabble, it was so complicated. Then, he said that the brain is so complicated that they don't even know the effect!!!! This from the mouth of an expert pharmacologist in the field!! He said that based on the fact that everything effects everything, he believed that Remeron might effect Gaba, but he just didn't know.

So there you have it folks. They don't know ****, but they prescribe it anyway. (sorry to curse)

 

Yup, everything effects everything. Lol.

 

Be well everyone. Marie.

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Hello everyone. I'm in caretaker mode now and looks like it will be for at least a month or two. I like caregiving because I guess mothering is what I'm really good at. It also distracts me from withdrawal so that's good. I have some stability with withdrawal but have some rougher mornings than I like. The "benzo flu" happens sometimes in the AM where I feel like I've been poisoned. The flu shot/start of mirt taper did this to me. There's a lot of waiting in withdrawal, so I'll wait for it to go away. When I taper Mirt, I will handle it with care and treat it like a benzo. Some say Mirt w/d was worse than benzo w/d.

 

Be well everyone. Marie.

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