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Hello and Happy New Year everyone. I have been back to the dentist and he gave me a provisional crown on the left side so I can eat and not chew on my bad side. So he looked at the xrays and said that tooth 4 and 5 might need retreats or apicos. Tooth #4 is the one that was really killing me. Now when I bite on it with certain foods it hurts, so it might be cracked and I'll extract it.  I have to wait until my endo appointment on the 29th. I have to wait that long because I picked the top endo in the practice and everyone wants him. We'll see what he says after the cone beam and consult. I have been stressed lately thinking about all this and getting some cortisol rushes at 4:30 AM. Sometimes I talk myself into calming down and relaxing. I am happy to say that this works.

 

I'm making a cut tonight to get me down to 5.99 mg. This will put me back to the point I was before I screwed up the taper. It's going to be a while before I get the teeth thing sorted so I might as well use this time to taper. If the tooth starts flaring up with bad pain I'll just get another antibiotic. Be well. Marie.

10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14  Jumped 10/14.  Done.                                                                              

3/14        7.5 Remeron  still taking this.                              

2/14         75 Trazodone   -    Tapered by dry cutting all the way down.

1/16        4 mg Trazodone  -  Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Had to reinstate.

4/16        Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone

2/19        .04 Trazodone. Walked off.  Done.

10/3/19  Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076

4/5/20    New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg.

1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg Mirt

 

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I've decided to drop .15 mg tonight since I've feeling more stable. So I will be down to 6.05 mg Mirt. I have infection above two top teeth next to one another. One of them is in the front and I really want to keep this one. Mirt messes up teeth and makes you grind them also. I already had a big molar extracted because it was cracked. I do not want implants because I don't think they will work for me. I have dry mouth, clench and my immune system stinks. Once an implant gets infected it is a difficult and painful removal from what I've read. I would not get them if they were free. No thanks. I spoke to my doctor today to get a refill of Mirt. I asked when he would get the vaccines in. He told me that he does not know when. I put myself on his list and he will call me when available. I expect a reaction but I'm ready to get back to life. Stay safe. Marie.

10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14  Jumped 10/14.  Done.                                                                              

3/14        7.5 Remeron  still taking this.                              

2/14         75 Trazodone   -    Tapered by dry cutting all the way down.

1/16        4 mg Trazodone  -  Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Had to reinstate.

4/16        Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone

2/19        .04 Trazodone. Walked off.  Done.

10/3/19  Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076

4/5/20    New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg.

1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg Mirt

 

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Oh Marie:   I feel your pain and frustration with the teeth.  I have 2 implants and one got infected, which was a nightmare.  I do hope things settle down for you and they are not as serious.  

 

I wear a mouthguard every nite as I tend to grind my teeth too.  Do you wear one?  It saves on the teeth.

 

Trying to figure the histamine intolerance so I ordered a new probiotics with strains to help degrade histamine.  My cholesterol is high too, so I will go back on Cholest-off.  I will add a 4th nite in this week of a .96 mg. mirt to keep on tapering down and off.  Really I think the histamine intolerance symptoms are a part of the tapering off mirt...reducing the amount of anti-histamine by tapering the mirt can set off a mess of HIT symptoms.  

 

Be well,

Shebon

Started 3.75 mg. remeron 4/2013.  Had tapered off benzo 4/2011.  1/2020 began 5th or 6th taper off Remeron.  Am doing a modified CITA taper--started 6 nites at 3.75 mg. then one nite at 1.87 mg. (half dose).  Currently (6/4/20), 5 nites at 1.87 and 2 nites at 3.75.  I stay on each phase for one month - it will take me around 7 mths to be at 1.87 mg nitely (1/2 of normal dose of 3.75 mg.)  4/10/20 -  2.67 mg. Remeron/day; 5/10/20 - 2.39 mg.;  6/10/20 - 2.11 mg.; 7/11 1.87 mg.  My first BIG benchmark!  9/1/20 - 1.75 mg; 10/6/20 - 1.60 mg.; 11/16/2020 - 1.48 mg.   Never got this far before!  WATCH out for hyperthyroid symptoms if you take any thyroid meds -- they mimic WD taper symptoms -- The lower one goes with the AD, you might need less thyroid med....1/20/2021 - 1.35 mg. (low histamine diet too)

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Hi Shebon. I'm doing alright. I just don't like this long wait before the endo's consult on my two teeth. Right now they don't hurt fortunately. I got a script of antibiotic in case the tooth starts hurting before the 28th from infection. Oh man I'm sorry to hear one of the implants got infected. I've heard this story too from an acquaintance. How did they remove the implant? Was it perimplantitis?  I will never get an implant. They're pricey and I can afford them, but I would not get one even if it was free. I believe my body rejects anything unnatural even root canals always feel a bit inflamed. Metal screwed into my jaw won't work. If I had no teeth left to eat and dentures did not work maybe. If I need a tooth pulled I might get a partial for the one or two teeth. They make pretty ones now that look very natural, a valplast maybe? I'm 61 so after 50 years things go you know including teeth. Dentists make bank on implants. One implant 7K all in for top specialists and I do have insurance lol. I won't be paying for his second home. Not a lot stresses me out but teeth stuff does.

 

I cut down a few nights ago by .15 mg so know I am at 6.05 mg. I always joked that by the time I'm done tapering meds I'd be ready for social security. Haha the joke's on me since I'll be applying this month.

 

What problems do you have with histamine intolerance? I know when I was tapering Mirt early in the taper I was having issues with my stomach,  nausea, gas and other stuff. I started taking culturelle and my tummy felt good.  I kept it up for a week or so and then stopped. I was over the nausea stuff so I did not continue. I eat a lot of bad food for HI like italian food with tomato sauces, avocado, eggplant, bananas, salad dressings, etc. For insomnia when I get really low and off I can use Ibruprofen a couple days a week. I find they make me very sleepy now and I sleep harder. Taking walks at night tire me out a bit. Achy bones and muscles epsom salt and lavender baths I will use along with hot pads. The chemical Mirt anxiety I've experienced but this will sound weird, I don't feel anxious. I feel tense and talk to myself saying what the heck is this that I am feeling, oh it's the Mirt chemical anxiety lol.

 

Trying a new probiotic is a good idea. Let me know if it works. Just keep inching down. Symptoms will come and go so just try and keep them as light as possible. Soon you will be done yay. Stay safe. Marie.

10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14  Jumped 10/14.  Done.                                                                              

3/14        7.5 Remeron  still taking this.                              

2/14         75 Trazodone   -    Tapered by dry cutting all the way down.

1/16        4 mg Trazodone  -  Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Had to reinstate.

4/16        Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone

2/19        .04 Trazodone. Walked off.  Done.

10/3/19  Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076

4/5/20    New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg.

1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg Mirt

 

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Hi Marie:

 

My implant infection was due to the needle numbing.  I had to go on antibiotics but that did not help.  Many people are sure going with partial dentures nowadays.  That might be the perfect solution for you.  They are much cheaper than implants.  I knew a man, who was my mother's friend and he paid over $30K for his implants.  He had full dentures but I don't think I would go through that kind of pain for real-looking teeth.  

 

Good for you -- another drop down the mirt scale.  Back in November, I discovered the histamine intolerance after making spaghetti and eating it three days during the week.  Every night after eating it, I could not get to sleep and had diarrhea in the a.m.  I have finally taken this histamine stuff seriously.  I think I have had this for years.  There is a lot of information on the web about it too.  I started taking only my magnesium glycinate at 8:30 p.m. and doing very well with this new routine.  Preivously, I would take it in the a.m.  I read that magnesium helps mop up the excess histamine, so this is helping.  

 

I'll let you know about this new probiotic for histamine.  The strains are specifically to avoid the excess histamine from the bacteria and hopefully, help to heal the gut.  

 

Hope the vaccine is coming your way soon -- I am in the "que"....darn.

Best regards,

Shebon

Started 3.75 mg. remeron 4/2013.  Had tapered off benzo 4/2011.  1/2020 began 5th or 6th taper off Remeron.  Am doing a modified CITA taper--started 6 nites at 3.75 mg. then one nite at 1.87 mg. (half dose).  Currently (6/4/20), 5 nites at 1.87 and 2 nites at 3.75.  I stay on each phase for one month - it will take me around 7 mths to be at 1.87 mg nitely (1/2 of normal dose of 3.75 mg.)  4/10/20 -  2.67 mg. Remeron/day; 5/10/20 - 2.39 mg.;  6/10/20 - 2.11 mg.; 7/11 1.87 mg.  My first BIG benchmark!  9/1/20 - 1.75 mg; 10/6/20 - 1.60 mg.; 11/16/2020 - 1.48 mg.   Never got this far before!  WATCH out for hyperthyroid symptoms if you take any thyroid meds -- they mimic WD taper symptoms -- The lower one goes with the AD, you might need less thyroid med....1/20/2021 - 1.35 mg. (low histamine diet too)

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Hello Shebon. Hubbie is out getting his Moderna vaccine tonight. He has to travel over an hour one way to get it. He is 65 and doses were reserved because he is also a teacher (retired). Hubbie wants to go back subbing once things are safe. I have to wait until my age group comes up, but I've called my doctor to put my name on his list to call once he gets the supply of vaccinations. I'll keep checking the websites of vac sites and calling around pharmacies/urgent care centers.

 

Does the mag glycinate help you sleep?

 

Marie.

10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14  Jumped 10/14.  Done.                                                                              

3/14        7.5 Remeron  still taking this.                              

2/14         75 Trazodone   -    Tapered by dry cutting all the way down.

1/16        4 mg Trazodone  -  Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Had to reinstate.

4/16        Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone

2/19        .04 Trazodone. Walked off.  Done.

10/3/19  Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076

4/5/20    New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg.

1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg Mirt

 

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Hello everyone. I'm down to 5.99 mg Mirt after a small cut last night. I'm still waiting for my endo consult on the 28th for my infected root canal so I thought I'd do something positive like cutting my dose.I have also started taking Vitamin D3. It's good for bones, teeth, immune system, depression, muscles and the gut. All of this I need during withdrawal. I am inside all the time due to covid and not getting any sunshine. Husband and son got their first dose of Moderna vaccine. Hubbie is over 65 and son is a first responder. I need to wait a couple months I think for my dose. Just to sit in a restaurant for a meal would be nice. I'm watching a lot of shows on netflix, amazon, apple, hulu, hbo max, disney, etc. lol. Right now I'm watching a series called "Trapped". I've watched several of these series filmed in Iceland and they all seem to be crime/mystery shows. I find Iceland very interesting for some reason. I guess it's the beautiful scenery. My son visited a couple years ago. He told me yesterday that he almost fell into a ravine while trying to get a good instagram shot. Hello Hannah from Iceland! I like your country. Be well everyone. Marie.

10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14  Jumped 10/14.  Done.                                                                              

3/14        7.5 Remeron  still taking this.                              

2/14         75 Trazodone   -    Tapered by dry cutting all the way down.

1/16        4 mg Trazodone  -  Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Had to reinstate.

4/16        Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone

2/19        .04 Trazodone. Walked off.  Done.

10/3/19  Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076

4/5/20    New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg.

1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg Mirt

 

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Hi Marie:

Glad the vaccine is rolling out where you are...we've waited a long time.  I am enrolling hubby and I in as many places as I can -- Safeway, Centura, Health One, etc.  It is going slow in our state.

 

In regards to mag glycinate -- I tried an experiment by taking the mirt at 8 p.m. and then 400 mg. mag at 10 p.m.  I did this for two nites.  I got a splitting headache right after taking it this way on the second nite, and it really sapped me.  Mag is best taken and absorbed with a meal, so I will go back to taking it in the a.m.  with my calcium and multi vitamin.  

 

Also, the past 10 days or so have been "tapering" symptoms -- getting to sleep every other nite and the others not so much (3-4 hrs.).  I have accepted this roller coaster ride and I know I can weather it so far.  I did so good to taper to less than 1/2 of my dose from Jan. to Sept. with minimal symptoms, so I feel blessed.  

 

Hope you are feeling strong and brave as you are now under 6 mg.  Way to go!  Once you get the hang of this tapering stuff, it doesn't scare one as much.  

 

Stay well,

Shebon

Started 3.75 mg. remeron 4/2013.  Had tapered off benzo 4/2011.  1/2020 began 5th or 6th taper off Remeron.  Am doing a modified CITA taper--started 6 nites at 3.75 mg. then one nite at 1.87 mg. (half dose).  Currently (6/4/20), 5 nites at 1.87 and 2 nites at 3.75.  I stay on each phase for one month - it will take me around 7 mths to be at 1.87 mg nitely (1/2 of normal dose of 3.75 mg.)  4/10/20 -  2.67 mg. Remeron/day; 5/10/20 - 2.39 mg.;  6/10/20 - 2.11 mg.; 7/11 1.87 mg.  My first BIG benchmark!  9/1/20 - 1.75 mg; 10/6/20 - 1.60 mg.; 11/16/2020 - 1.48 mg.   Never got this far before!  WATCH out for hyperthyroid symptoms if you take any thyroid meds -- they mimic WD taper symptoms -- The lower one goes with the AD, you might need less thyroid med....1/20/2021 - 1.35 mg. (low histamine diet too)

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Hi Shebon. Yes we accept the withdrawal and is makes it easier. Save the anger for when we are finished, that's what I'm doing anyways. You are fortunate that you only had one med to taper. I've done it twice so I've proved to myself it is possible. We certainly feel better and better with less med floating around in our brains. I look at it as getting more and more healthy with time and that is a great thing. I always look back to where I was a year ago, putting up the Christmas tree and taking it down. What a task it was 5/6 years and I would not take the tree down to February. Did not have any energy and could not get myself organized. This year I purchased an ornament organizer, put away the tree, and tidied up the holiday stuff more than a week ago.

 

There was this key in my junk drawer for several years and could not figure out what it was for. Each year I would look at it, try it for different locks, doors, etc. This year I finally put it together that it was a missing safe deposit bank key. It matched the spare one. It took me until this year to figure it out. Brain is really starting to work now lol.

 

I've had that sleep pattern. You know that the pattern keeps changing. It will do that until you are off and healed.

 

Stay safe and be well. Marie.

10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14  Jumped 10/14.  Done.                                                                              

3/14        7.5 Remeron  still taking this.                              

2/14         75 Trazodone   -    Tapered by dry cutting all the way down.

1/16        4 mg Trazodone  -  Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Had to reinstate.

4/16        Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone

2/19        .04 Trazodone. Walked off.  Done.

10/3/19  Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076

4/5/20    New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg.

1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg Mirt

 

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