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Hello and Happy New Year everyone. I have been back to the dentist and he gave me a provisional crown on the left side so I can eat and not chew on my bad side. So he looked at the xrays and said that tooth 4 and 5 might need retreats or apicos. Tooth #4 is the one that was really killing me. Now when I bite on it with certain foods it hurts, so it might be cracked and I'll extract it.  I have to wait until my endo appointment on the 29th. I have to wait that long because I picked the top endo in the practice and everyone wants him. We'll see what he says after the cone beam and consult. I have been stressed lately thinking about all this and getting some cortisol rushes at 4:30 AM. Sometimes I talk myself into calming down and relaxing. I am happy to say that this works.

 

I'm making a cut tonight to get me down to 5.99 mg. This will put me back to the point I was before I screwed up the taper. It's going to be a while before I get the teeth thing sorted so I might as well use this time to taper. If the tooth starts flaring up with bad pain I'll just get another antibiotic. Be well. Marie.

10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14  Jumped 10/14.  Done.                                                                              

3/14        7.5 Remeron  still taking this.                              

2/14         75 Trazodone   -    Tapered by dry cutting all the way down.

1/16        4 mg Trazodone  -  Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Had to reinstate.

4/16        Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone

2/19        .04 Trazodone. Walked off.  Done.

10/3/19  Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076

4/5/20    New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg.

1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg Mirt

 

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I've decided to drop .15 mg tonight since I've feeling more stable. So I will be down to 6.05 mg Mirt. I have infection above two top teeth next to one another. One of them is in the front and I really want to keep this one. Mirt messes up teeth and makes you grind them also. I already had a big molar extracted because it was cracked. I do not want implants because I don't think they will work for me. I have dry mouth, clench and my immune system stinks. Once an implant gets infected it is a difficult and painful removal from what I've read. I would not get them if they were free. No thanks. I spoke to my doctor today to get a refill of Mirt. I asked when he would get the vaccines in. He told me that he does not know when. I put myself on his list and he will call me when available. I expect a reaction but I'm ready to get back to life. Stay safe. Marie.

10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14  Jumped 10/14.  Done.                                                                              

3/14        7.5 Remeron  still taking this.                              

2/14         75 Trazodone   -    Tapered by dry cutting all the way down.

1/16        4 mg Trazodone  -  Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Had to reinstate.

4/16        Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone

2/19        .04 Trazodone. Walked off.  Done.

10/3/19  Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076

4/5/20    New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg.

1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg Mirt

 

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Oh Marie:   I feel your pain and frustration with the teeth.  I have 2 implants and one got infected, which was a nightmare.  I do hope things settle down for you and they are not as serious.  

 

I wear a mouthguard every nite as I tend to grind my teeth too.  Do you wear one?  It saves on the teeth.

 

Trying to figure the histamine intolerance so I ordered a new probiotics with strains to help degrade histamine.  My cholesterol is high too, so I will go back on Cholest-off.  I will add a 4th nite in this week of a .96 mg. mirt to keep on tapering down and off.  Really I think the histamine intolerance symptoms are a part of the tapering off mirt...reducing the amount of anti-histamine by tapering the mirt can set off a mess of HIT symptoms.  

 

Be well,

Shebon

Started 3.75 mg. remeron 4/2013.  Had tapered off benzo 4/2011.  1/2020 began 5th or 6th taper off Remeron.  Am doing a modified CITA taper--started 6 nites at 3.75 mg. then one nite at 1.87 mg. (half dose).  Currently (6/4/20), 5 nites at 1.87 and 2 nites at 3.75.  I stay on each phase for one month - it will take me around 7 mths to be at 1.87 mg nitely (1/2 of normal dose of 3.75 mg.)  4/10/20 -  2.67 mg. Remeron/day; 5/10/20 - 2.39 mg.;  6/10/20 - 2.11 mg.; 7/11 1.87 mg.  My first BIG benchmark!  1/25/2021 -- going back up to 1.87 mg. as cutting 1/8s into 1/16s became problematic and I have had withdrawal symptoms the past 4 months or so that I thought was due to other stuff going on.   NOT -- all withdrawals (insomnia, headachy, flushes, flu-ishness).  I will be happy at a 50% reduction until I re-stabilize again, and start afresh with a compounding pharmacy and take it very slow.

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Hi Shebon. I'm doing alright. I just don't like this long wait before the endo's consult on my two teeth. Right now they don't hurt fortunately. I got a script of antibiotic in case the tooth starts hurting before the 28th from infection. Oh man I'm sorry to hear one of the implants got infected. I've heard this story too from an acquaintance. How did they remove the implant? Was it perimplantitis?  I will never get an implant. They're pricey and I can afford them, but I would not get one even if it was free. I believe my body rejects anything unnatural even root canals always feel a bit inflamed. Metal screwed into my jaw won't work. If I had no teeth left to eat and dentures did not work maybe. If I need a tooth pulled I might get a partial for the one or two teeth. They make pretty ones now that look very natural, a valplast maybe? I'm 61 so after 50 years things go you know including teeth. Dentists make bank on implants. One implant 7K all in for top specialists and I do have insurance lol. I won't be paying for his second home. Not a lot stresses me out but teeth stuff does.

 

I cut down a few nights ago by .15 mg so know I am at 6.05 mg. I always joked that by the time I'm done tapering meds I'd be ready for social security. Haha the joke's on me since I'll be applying this month.

 

What problems do you have with histamine intolerance? I know when I was tapering Mirt early in the taper I was having issues with my stomach,  nausea, gas and other stuff. I started taking culturelle and my tummy felt good.  I kept it up for a week or so and then stopped. I was over the nausea stuff so I did not continue. I eat a lot of bad food for HI like italian food with tomato sauces, avocado, eggplant, bananas, salad dressings, etc. For insomnia when I get really low and off I can use Ibruprofen a couple days a week. I find they make me very sleepy now and I sleep harder. Taking walks at night tire me out a bit. Achy bones and muscles epsom salt and lavender baths I will use along with hot pads. The chemical Mirt anxiety I've experienced but this will sound weird, I don't feel anxious. I feel tense and talk to myself saying what the heck is this that I am feeling, oh it's the Mirt chemical anxiety lol.

 

Trying a new probiotic is a good idea. Let me know if it works. Just keep inching down. Symptoms will come and go so just try and keep them as light as possible. Soon you will be done yay. Stay safe. Marie.

10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14  Jumped 10/14.  Done.                                                                              

3/14        7.5 Remeron  still taking this.                              

2/14         75 Trazodone   -    Tapered by dry cutting all the way down.

1/16        4 mg Trazodone  -  Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Had to reinstate.

4/16        Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone

2/19        .04 Trazodone. Walked off.  Done.

10/3/19  Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076

4/5/20    New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg.

1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg Mirt

 

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Hi Marie:

 

My implant infection was due to the needle numbing.  I had to go on antibiotics but that did not help.  Many people are sure going with partial dentures nowadays.  That might be the perfect solution for you.  They are much cheaper than implants.  I knew a man, who was my mother's friend and he paid over $30K for his implants.  He had full dentures but I don't think I would go through that kind of pain for real-looking teeth.  

 

Good for you -- another drop down the mirt scale.  Back in November, I discovered the histamine intolerance after making spaghetti and eating it three days during the week.  Every night after eating it, I could not get to sleep and had diarrhea in the a.m.  I have finally taken this histamine stuff seriously.  I think I have had this for years.  There is a lot of information on the web about it too.  I started taking only my magnesium glycinate at 8:30 p.m. and doing very well with this new routine.  Preivously, I would take it in the a.m.  I read that magnesium helps mop up the excess histamine, so this is helping.  

 

I'll let you know about this new probiotic for histamine.  The strains are specifically to avoid the excess histamine from the bacteria and hopefully, help to heal the gut.  

 

Hope the vaccine is coming your way soon -- I am in the "que"....darn.

Best regards,

Shebon

Started 3.75 mg. remeron 4/2013.  Had tapered off benzo 4/2011.  1/2020 began 5th or 6th taper off Remeron.  Am doing a modified CITA taper--started 6 nites at 3.75 mg. then one nite at 1.87 mg. (half dose).  Currently (6/4/20), 5 nites at 1.87 and 2 nites at 3.75.  I stay on each phase for one month - it will take me around 7 mths to be at 1.87 mg nitely (1/2 of normal dose of 3.75 mg.)  4/10/20 -  2.67 mg. Remeron/day; 5/10/20 - 2.39 mg.;  6/10/20 - 2.11 mg.; 7/11 1.87 mg.  My first BIG benchmark!  1/25/2021 -- going back up to 1.87 mg. as cutting 1/8s into 1/16s became problematic and I have had withdrawal symptoms the past 4 months or so that I thought was due to other stuff going on.   NOT -- all withdrawals (insomnia, headachy, flushes, flu-ishness).  I will be happy at a 50% reduction until I re-stabilize again, and start afresh with a compounding pharmacy and take it very slow.

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Hello Shebon. Hubbie is out getting his Moderna vaccine tonight. He has to travel over an hour one way to get it. He is 65 and doses were reserved because he is also a teacher (retired). Hubbie wants to go back subbing once things are safe. I have to wait until my age group comes up, but I've called my doctor to put my name on his list to call once he gets the supply of vaccinations. I'll keep checking the websites of vac sites and calling around pharmacies/urgent care centers.

 

Does the mag glycinate help you sleep?

 

Marie.

10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14  Jumped 10/14.  Done.                                                                              

3/14        7.5 Remeron  still taking this.                              

2/14         75 Trazodone   -    Tapered by dry cutting all the way down.

1/16        4 mg Trazodone  -  Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Had to reinstate.

4/16        Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone

2/19        .04 Trazodone. Walked off.  Done.

10/3/19  Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076

4/5/20    New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg.

1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg Mirt

 

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Hello everyone. I'm down to 5.99 mg Mirt after a small cut last night. I'm still waiting for my endo consult on the 28th for my infected root canal so I thought I'd do something positive like cutting my dose.I have also started taking Vitamin D3. It's good for bones, teeth, immune system, depression, muscles and the gut. All of this I need during withdrawal. I am inside all the time due to covid and not getting any sunshine. Husband and son got their first dose of Moderna vaccine. Hubbie is over 65 and son is a first responder. I need to wait a couple months I think for my dose. Just to sit in a restaurant for a meal would be nice. I'm watching a lot of shows on netflix, amazon, apple, hulu, hbo max, disney, etc. lol. Right now I'm watching a series called "Trapped". I've watched several of these series filmed in Iceland and they all seem to be crime/mystery shows. I find Iceland very interesting for some reason. I guess it's the beautiful scenery. My son visited a couple years ago. He told me yesterday that he almost fell into a ravine while trying to get a good instagram shot. Hello Hannah from Iceland! I like your country. Be well everyone. Marie.

10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14  Jumped 10/14.  Done.                                                                              

3/14        7.5 Remeron  still taking this.                              

2/14         75 Trazodone   -    Tapered by dry cutting all the way down.

1/16        4 mg Trazodone  -  Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Had to reinstate.

4/16        Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone

2/19        .04 Trazodone. Walked off.  Done.

10/3/19  Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076

4/5/20    New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg.

1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg Mirt

 

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Hi Marie:

Glad the vaccine is rolling out where you are...we've waited a long time.  I am enrolling hubby and I in as many places as I can -- Safeway, Centura, Health One, etc.  It is going slow in our state.

 

In regards to mag glycinate -- I tried an experiment by taking the mirt at 8 p.m. and then 400 mg. mag at 10 p.m.  I did this for two nites.  I got a splitting headache right after taking it this way on the second nite, and it really sapped me.  Mag is best taken and absorbed with a meal, so I will go back to taking it in the a.m.  with my calcium and multi vitamin.  

 

Also, the past 10 days or so have been "tapering" symptoms -- getting to sleep every other nite and the others not so much (3-4 hrs.).  I have accepted this roller coaster ride and I know I can weather it so far.  I did so good to taper to less than 1/2 of my dose from Jan. to Sept. with minimal symptoms, so I feel blessed.  

 

Hope you are feeling strong and brave as you are now under 6 mg.  Way to go!  Once you get the hang of this tapering stuff, it doesn't scare one as much.  

 

Stay well,

Shebon

Started 3.75 mg. remeron 4/2013.  Had tapered off benzo 4/2011.  1/2020 began 5th or 6th taper off Remeron.  Am doing a modified CITA taper--started 6 nites at 3.75 mg. then one nite at 1.87 mg. (half dose).  Currently (6/4/20), 5 nites at 1.87 and 2 nites at 3.75.  I stay on each phase for one month - it will take me around 7 mths to be at 1.87 mg nitely (1/2 of normal dose of 3.75 mg.)  4/10/20 -  2.67 mg. Remeron/day; 5/10/20 - 2.39 mg.;  6/10/20 - 2.11 mg.; 7/11 1.87 mg.  My first BIG benchmark!  1/25/2021 -- going back up to 1.87 mg. as cutting 1/8s into 1/16s became problematic and I have had withdrawal symptoms the past 4 months or so that I thought was due to other stuff going on.   NOT -- all withdrawals (insomnia, headachy, flushes, flu-ishness).  I will be happy at a 50% reduction until I re-stabilize again, and start afresh with a compounding pharmacy and take it very slow.

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Hi Shebon. Yes we accept the withdrawal and is makes it easier. Save the anger for when we are finished, that's what I'm doing anyways. You are fortunate that you only had one med to taper. I've done it twice so I've proved to myself it is possible. We certainly feel better and better with less med floating around in our brains. I look at it as getting more and more healthy with time and that is a great thing. I always look back to where I was a year ago, putting up the Christmas tree and taking it down. What a task it was 5/6 years and I would not take the tree down to February. Did not have any energy and could not get myself organized. This year I purchased an ornament organizer, put away the tree, and tidied up the holiday stuff more than a week ago.

 

There was this key in my junk drawer for several years and could not figure out what it was for. Each year I would look at it, try it for different locks, doors, etc. This year I finally put it together that it was a missing safe deposit bank key. It matched the spare one. It took me until this year to figure it out. Brain is really starting to work now lol.

 

I've had that sleep pattern. You know that the pattern keeps changing. It will do that until you are off and healed.

 

Stay safe and be well. Marie.

10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14  Jumped 10/14.  Done.                                                                              

3/14        7.5 Remeron  still taking this.                              

2/14         75 Trazodone   -    Tapered by dry cutting all the way down.

1/16        4 mg Trazodone  -  Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Had to reinstate.

4/16        Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone

2/19        .04 Trazodone. Walked off.  Done.

10/3/19  Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076

4/5/20    New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg.

1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg Mirt

 

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Hi Marie:

 

Glad to hear brain power is coming back and a whole lot more!

 

I have decided that the past 4 months were full of withdrawal symptoms that I thought were thyroid or histamine related.  

 

I am going back up to 1.87 mg. and will need to take some rescue doses until I re-stabilize again.  Blood levels of this stuff trigger all the insomnia and other unpleasant symptoms.  After I stabilize again, I will get myself to a compounding pharmacy for the next phase.  (....I changed my signature).  

 

Did you switch from tablet to liquid to taper?  How did that go for you?  

 

I so wish doctors would not prescribe this stuff without an anti-dote.  It is a nightmare to stop or even taper, and get on with life.

 

Best regards,

Shebon

 

Started 3.75 mg. remeron 4/2013.  Had tapered off benzo 4/2011.  1/2020 began 5th or 6th taper off Remeron.  Am doing a modified CITA taper--started 6 nites at 3.75 mg. then one nite at 1.87 mg. (half dose).  Currently (6/4/20), 5 nites at 1.87 and 2 nites at 3.75.  I stay on each phase for one month - it will take me around 7 mths to be at 1.87 mg nitely (1/2 of normal dose of 3.75 mg.)  4/10/20 -  2.67 mg. Remeron/day; 5/10/20 - 2.39 mg.;  6/10/20 - 2.11 mg.; 7/11 1.87 mg.  My first BIG benchmark!  1/25/2021 -- going back up to 1.87 mg. as cutting 1/8s into 1/16s became problematic and I have had withdrawal symptoms the past 4 months or so that I thought was due to other stuff going on.   NOT -- all withdrawals (insomnia, headachy, flushes, flu-ishness).  I will be happy at a 50% reduction until I re-stabilize again, and start afresh with a compounding pharmacy and take it very slow.

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Hi Shebon. I think you will  do better with a liquid med to taper from. It will allow you to cut with very small and more accurate doses. Usually your doctor has to cooperate with you to write the script for the compound pharmacy. My doc did not want to but I luckily found a compound pharmacy who would do it for me if I brought them the pills. I called around a bunch of places. Honestly I am not even sure that that is legal in my state, but so what. They do a good job and I can taper small amounts. That Mirt pill is so tiny and potent at the same time.

 

I slowly transitioned from pill to liquid and it took me three months. If you look back at my posts you will see how I did it. I think for the first week I took the dose in just pill except for one day I took half pill and half liquid. Then I would for the second week took the pill dose and half pill/half liquid dose for two days. Something like that. You'll see what works for you. Some people were able to go right away to all liquid dose. If you are sensitive do a crossover. I'm glad I did because it worked. Some on this site made their own liquid.

Let me know how it goes. Be well. Marie.

 

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10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14  Jumped 10/14.  Done.                                                                              

3/14        7.5 Remeron  still taking this.                              

2/14         75 Trazodone   -    Tapered by dry cutting all the way down.

1/16        4 mg Trazodone  -  Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Had to reinstate.

4/16        Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone

2/19        .04 Trazodone. Walked off.  Done.

10/3/19  Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076

4/5/20    New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg.

1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg Mirt

 

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Hi Marie:

 

Thanks for sharing your crossover info with me.  That sounds like it worked well for you.  I looked long and hard at a Prozac bridge crossover...I read several articles of those on other ADs that did this and tapered off much faster due to the long half-life of Prozac.  Sometimes it worked and other times it did not.  It is recommended to do a 5-day flush of old AD before Prozac and I think that would be 5 days from hell for those on mirtazapine.  

 

I have done better the past 3 days by going back up to 1/8 of 15 mg. (1.87 mg.).  So I know it was all withdrawals -- if the body is not in a withdrawal state, then life is good.  I'm reading Dr. Amen's book "Ending Mental Illness" and he stresses that brain health is so important.  He does not like to prescribe ADs unless absolutely necessary....he knows they are not easy to come off from.  One would think big pharma would have to come up with antidote to help people get off - but why bother when you get them hooked for life?  

 

I will stabilize for a long while -- get my brain used to the 1.87 mg.   I have found a compounding pharmacy so that is my next step to try and get off this stuff.  

 

How are you doing?   How's your sleep?  Sleep is usually the first thing impacted when trying to get off or reduce.  I don't know how DD44 does it -- she has to keep her job so sleep is ultra important.  She has now updosed too so I hope and pray she gets good nites of sleep.  

 

Best regards,

Shebon

Started 3.75 mg. remeron 4/2013.  Had tapered off benzo 4/2011.  1/2020 began 5th or 6th taper off Remeron.  Am doing a modified CITA taper--started 6 nites at 3.75 mg. then one nite at 1.87 mg. (half dose).  Currently (6/4/20), 5 nites at 1.87 and 2 nites at 3.75.  I stay on each phase for one month - it will take me around 7 mths to be at 1.87 mg nitely (1/2 of normal dose of 3.75 mg.)  4/10/20 -  2.67 mg. Remeron/day; 5/10/20 - 2.39 mg.;  6/10/20 - 2.11 mg.; 7/11 1.87 mg.  My first BIG benchmark!  1/25/2021 -- going back up to 1.87 mg. as cutting 1/8s into 1/16s became problematic and I have had withdrawal symptoms the past 4 months or so that I thought was due to other stuff going on.   NOT -- all withdrawals (insomnia, headachy, flushes, flu-ishness).  I will be happy at a 50% reduction until I re-stabilize again, and start afresh with a compounding pharmacy and take it very slow.

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Hi Shebon. I'm doing good except for the tooth situation. I'm finally seeing the endo tomorrow and the oral surgeon on Monday. I am feeling stable and okay with the Mirt w/d. My cuts are purposely small so I don't have to deal with hard w/d. As far as sleep goes I get some good days of sleep, sometimes restful 7 plus hours. If I'm stressed about something (like now) it's a bit worse. Last night I went to sleep at 10:30 pm and woke up at 6 am. I did not have any wakeups luckily, but I had a headache and had sinus stuff. When I cut a bigger amount like .20 mg I get wakeups sometimes every hour or two for several days. It eventually levels out thankfully.

 

I think you will be in a better position to taper with the liquid, so your sleep won't be dramatically affected. I expect though that when I get to the low doses my sleep will get worse. I'm planning for it and figuring what will actually help.

 

My list:

 

magnesium before bed

hot lavender baths before bed

evening walks

not caring if I don't sleep

unisom if I am really desperate for sleep. Use only for 1 night.

ibruprofen it makes me sleepy now

getting exercise in the morning

chamomile tea double bag

eliminate my AM coffee

blackout curtains

what else?

 

Do you work Shebon? It's more difficult I'm sure for those who have jobs. Marie.

10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14  Jumped 10/14.  Done.                                                                              

3/14        7.5 Remeron  still taking this.                              

2/14         75 Trazodone   -    Tapered by dry cutting all the way down.

1/16        4 mg Trazodone  -  Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Had to reinstate.

4/16        Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone

2/19        .04 Trazodone. Walked off.  Done.

10/3/19  Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076

4/5/20    New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg.

1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg Mirt

 

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Shebon, if I were at your dose I would cut .10 mg per month and see how that goes. Be well. Marie.

10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14  Jumped 10/14.  Done.                                                                              

3/14        7.5 Remeron  still taking this.                              

2/14         75 Trazodone   -    Tapered by dry cutting all the way down.

1/16        4 mg Trazodone  -  Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Had to reinstate.

4/16        Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone

2/19        .04 Trazodone. Walked off.  Done.

10/3/19  Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076

4/5/20    New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg.

1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg Mirt

 

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Hello everyone.

 

I just want to add to my list of what to do when I start getting intolerable insomnia when I am down to the tiny doses.

 

CBD oil - does anyone know what brand is good?

Weed    - what brand is good for sleep and in what form? It's not legal here but it will be soon I think.

 

As you can see I'm a planner lol. My endo appt. was this past week and I was not expecting the young guy to come in. He was good but I wish the top endo would have read my cone beam scans. Very few medical people I trust unfortunately.  My dentist appt. is coming up next week right on the day of a big snowstorm. I think the universe is trying to mess with me. He then will refer me to the oral surgeon for extraction or apico. It's on the tooth next to the one that was hurting me. There is an abcess on it. Why does that tooth not hurt and the one next to it was the one that was killing me? So the universe messes with me again. Maybe I'll wind up with both extracted. I believe both are cracked from a bad expisode of grinding/clenching caused by Mirt. I hate my teeth. Still at 5.99 mg Mirt. Be well everyone. Marie.

10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14  Jumped 10/14.  Done.                                                                              

3/14        7.5 Remeron  still taking this.                              

2/14         75 Trazodone   -    Tapered by dry cutting all the way down.

1/16        4 mg Trazodone  -  Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Had to reinstate.

4/16        Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone

2/19        .04 Trazodone. Walked off.  Done.

10/3/19  Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076

4/5/20    New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg.

1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg Mirt

 

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Hi Marie:

 

I completely understand the dental worries and discomfort.  I always say my mouth is the equivalent of a full "college education".  Maybe even a master's degree. 😁  I don't know what an apico is though.....is that another dental procedure?   Hope all goes well for you and you get on with life.  

 

Thanks again for your advise re:  liquid tapering.  I can see the huge advantage of going with compounded and tapering at a decent rate.  I want to stabilize at least for 6 mths before I try anything new with this beast.  

 

Yes, I have retired from my occupation too.  So hopefully, life will get back into the swing when we get our second COVID shots.  

 

I have thought of CBD oil too.    I think the strains of weed are way too potent these days.  I don't want to be unconscious.....🤪

 

Take care and hope your dental work goes very well.

 

Shebon

 

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Started 3.75 mg. remeron 4/2013.  Had tapered off benzo 4/2011.  1/2020 began 5th or 6th taper off Remeron.  Am doing a modified CITA taper--started 6 nites at 3.75 mg. then one nite at 1.87 mg. (half dose).  Currently (6/4/20), 5 nites at 1.87 and 2 nites at 3.75.  I stay on each phase for one month - it will take me around 7 mths to be at 1.87 mg nitely (1/2 of normal dose of 3.75 mg.)  4/10/20 -  2.67 mg. Remeron/day; 5/10/20 - 2.39 mg.;  6/10/20 - 2.11 mg.; 7/11 1.87 mg.  My first BIG benchmark!  1/25/2021 -- going back up to 1.87 mg. as cutting 1/8s into 1/16s became problematic and I have had withdrawal symptoms the past 4 months or so that I thought was due to other stuff going on.   NOT -- all withdrawals (insomnia, headachy, flushes, flu-ishness).  I will be happy at a 50% reduction until I re-stabilize again, and start afresh with a compounding pharmacy and take it very slow.

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Hello everyone. I'm just checking in. Last night I cut Mirt by .15mg. It's pretty unnoticeable with this small amount. I need to be more focused this month since I will be getting oral surgery. Dry mouth destroys teeth.

Thanks Mirt.

 

Seriously though I can thank Mirt for letting me qualify for the next round of vaccines. You see I've gained plenty of weight on Mirt. This now puts me ahead of the skinny people lol. Thanks Mirt. I am down to 5.84 Mirt. Be well everyone. Marie.

10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14  Jumped 10/14.  Done.                                                                              

3/14        7.5 Remeron  still taking this.                              

2/14         75 Trazodone   -    Tapered by dry cutting all the way down.

1/16        4 mg Trazodone  -  Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Had to reinstate.

4/16        Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone

2/19        .04 Trazodone. Walked off.  Done.

10/3/19  Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076

4/5/20    New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg.

1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg Mirt

 

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Hello. I've finally got the correct diagnosis for my upper right teeth. One tooth is completely cracked and the other needs an apicoectomy. I have an appointment in a couple days. I was carrying on with a lot of stress with this. Why did it take three different dental professionals to read a cone beam scan to figure this out I just don't know. The last one, an oral surgeon, showed me the pic. It looked obvious to me. The two roots of the tooth were complete cut in half. I've been stressed and walking around with infected painful teeth for two months. So this one is solved. On my left side I had the big molar on top root canaled early in Dec., and this one is not settling. It hurts a bit but more in the gums. I hope it will be okay. I think I did okay handling the stress from the dental stuff while dealing with the Mirt w/d especially over the holidays. On a positive note, I have my appointment for the vaccine this upcoming weekend. I expect a reaction, but I will be fine.

 

Since I am going to be miserable anyways I'm probably going to make a small cut after the oral surgery, maybe .05 Mirt. which will put me at 5.79 Mirt. I'm positive I will be off Mirt one day. I do think I will get better after a bit and be happy and healthy.  Be well everyone. Marie.

 

10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14  Jumped 10/14.  Done.                                                                              

3/14        7.5 Remeron  still taking this.                              

2/14         75 Trazodone   -    Tapered by dry cutting all the way down.

1/16        4 mg Trazodone  -  Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Had to reinstate.

4/16        Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone

2/19        .04 Trazodone. Walked off.  Done.

10/3/19  Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076

4/5/20    New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg.

1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg Mirt

 

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Hello. I had the apicoectomy a couple days ago. Boy was that intense. The oral surgeon was working on my tooth for an hour and a half. At one point he says I'll be right back I'm getting the laser. He gave me a bunch of stitches in my mouth. I stopped counting after 10. I was nicely numbed up so I did not feel a thing. I'm still holding at 5.79 Mirt. I'm getting the stitches out next week and then we'll see when he extracts the broken tooth. I trust this surgeon otherwise I would just have it pulled. I hope it works as it's a front tooth. The stitches are making my mouth sore so I am looking forward to getting them removed.

 

I felt bad for myself so I bought myself a present. It was a new lipstick. I haven't been using lipstick for a year so I went online to see the favorite ones that are out there. The first one that came up the color was named after my real first name, which is an usual one. I got it today and it looks great.

 

I got my first vaccine today, the Pfizer one. I just have a sore arm. I hope the second one is just as easy. It was run by the military and they were all in army fatigues. I may cut a tiny bit after my stitches are out. I'll see. I've been sleeping really good. Be well everyone. Marie.

10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14  Jumped 10/14.  Done.                                                                              

3/14        7.5 Remeron  still taking this.                              

2/14         75 Trazodone   -    Tapered by dry cutting all the way down.

1/16        4 mg Trazodone  -  Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Had to reinstate.

4/16        Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone

2/19        .04 Trazodone. Walked off.  Done.

10/3/19  Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076

4/5/20    New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg.

1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg Mirt

 

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Just checking in. I went down to 5.75 Mirt tonight. My stitches are out and I am healing. In a month I am getting a tooth extracted. I'm calling it my covid tooth because the stress of covid caused my intense grinding. I was biting down so hard this one night that the tooth roots completely snapped off the base of the tooth. Fun stuff. Be well everyone. Marie.

10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14  Jumped 10/14.  Done.                                                                              

3/14        7.5 Remeron  still taking this.                              

2/14         75 Trazodone   -    Tapered by dry cutting all the way down.

1/16        4 mg Trazodone  -  Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Had to reinstate.

4/16        Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone

2/19        .04 Trazodone. Walked off.  Done.

10/3/19  Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076

4/5/20    New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg.

1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg Mirt

 

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