Gigi68 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Hi Mimi, I was just thinking about you and wondering when you will have surgery. I will be thinking of you and sending healing thoughts. The trip to Mexico was great. I am in southern AZ for the winter so it was a short drive to Puerto Penasco. My husband and I live in Wyoming in the summer but we have been coming down here for 9 years. I can’t imagine another winter in Wyoming! You should definitely try to go to Florida for awhile. The sun and warm temps will lift your spirits! My sleep has been iffy lately too. Sometimes I can’t go to sleep, sometimes I wake up about 3:30, sometimes I sleep all night. I never know what will happen. I almost always take a nap in the afternoon. When I was on a higher dose, I couldn’t nap. It was so frustrating! So I am happy for the naps now. Hope your surgery goes well and you are home for Thanksgiving! 2005-2013 Ambien 5mg. Stopped taking with little problem 12/20 Buspirone 7.5mg 2x daily 5/22 CT from Buspirone- no WD 12/20 Mirtazapine 7.5mg 1x daily 2/11/21 17% reduction homemade Mirtazapine liquid to 6.2ml, 3/27/21 5.9ml, 4/23/21 5.6ml, 5/8/21 5.3ml, 5/28/21 5.0ml, 6/13/21 4.88ml, 6/20/21 4.75ml, 7/2/21 4.62ml, 7/12/21 4.5ml 7/25/21 4.37ml, 8/4/21 4.24, 8/17/21 4.10, 8/27/21 3.96, 9/23/21 3.84, 10/8/21 3.72, 11/13/21 3.5, 12/13/21 3.3, 1/9/22 3.1mg, 2/10/22 2.9mg, 3/9 2.7mg, 4/8 2.5mg, 5/22 2.3mg, 5/28 CT Buspirone, 7/24 2.2mg, 8/24 2.05mg, 9/14 1.9mg 10/11 1.75 11/12 1.6, 12/3 1.47, 1/3/23, 1.35, 2/1 1.24, 2/23 1.14, 3/17 1.03, 4/7 .93, 4/27 .83, 5/18 .75, 6/13 .67, 7/17 .59, 8/7 .52, 8/25 .50, 9/1 .48, 9/23 .43, 10/22 .38, 11/5 .33, 11/20 .28, 12/4 .24 12/18 .20, 12/31 .15, 1/14/24 .10, 1/30 .07, 2/18 .04, 2/25 0, drug free Supplements: 4,000iu vitamin D, Vitamin K, Probiotic, 400mg magnesium glycinate, 250mg vitamin C, Fish Oil, collagen peptides, CBD or CBN as needed for sleep, Ginger Tummy Drops as needed Link to comment
marie123 Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 Hello. This is for my record. I want down last night .09 mg Mirt which leaves me at 3.87 mg Mirt. I have the usual lot of wakeups and up early. I feel fine otherwise. I'm a planner and getting clothing and things ready for my big trip. I'm always early doing this but it's fun. So what it's three weeks away lol. Nervous about carrying my liquid med through security. It's in a medicine bottle with a script on it. The doctor did not sign off for a liquid med, only the pills. The compound pharmacy nicely took my pills and made it into a liquid without my doc's consent. His name is on the bottle's script. I'm probably worrying about nothing. I'll keep it cold with ice before security, dump the ice, then get ice from a food place after security. It should be easy enough to get ice on the plane. It's a long flight. Second liquid med backup will be packed in my suitcase in two travel shampoo bottles in a small zip insulin cooler that I bought for this reason. Third backup will be some mirtazapine tablets. Another reason to get off these meds. I think I'll be in the 1's in dose by the end of next year, but who knows. Be well. Marie. 10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14 Jumped 10/14. Done. 3/14 7.5 Remeron still taking this. 2/14 75 Trazodone - Tapered by dry cutting all the way down. 1/16 4 mg Trazodone - Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Reinstated. 4/16 Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone 2/19 .04 Trazodone. Walked off. Done. 10/3/19 Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076 4/5/20 New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg. 1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg 2/21 5.75 mg, 3/21 5.6 mg, 4/7 5.45, 4/14 5.30, 5/12 5.15, 5/25/21 4.99 mg, 6/29 4.87 mg, 7/14/21 4.74 mg, 8/5 4.62 mg 8/17 4.5 mg, 8/30 4.38 mg,9/16 4.26 mg,10/9 4.14 mg, 10/23 4.05 mg, 11/6 3.96 mg,11/17 3.87mg.***Jan 22 Liquid was changed/couldn't tolerate***Changed back to pills. Feb 22/3.9 mg, 2/17/22 3.8 mg, 3/23 3.7 mg, 4/7 3.6 mg, 5/10 3.5mg,6/10/22 3.4 mg, 7/4 3.3 mg, 7/25 3.2 mg, 8/20/22 3.1 mg, 9/15 3 mg, 10/8/22 2.9 mg., 12/15 2.8 mg, 1/6/23 2.7 mg, 2/16/23 2.6 mg, 3/9 2.5 mg, 4/4 2.4 mg, 4/29/23 2.3 mg, 5/26 2.2 mg, 6/22/23 2.1 mg, 10/14 2 mg, 11/12 1.9 mg, 11/28 1.8 mg , 12/14/23 1.7, 12/31/23 1.6 mg, 1/20 1.5 mg, 2/6/24 1.4 mg, 2/12 updose 1.5 mg, 3/27/24 1.4 mg. Taking multi-vitamin, vit. D, cholestoff, psyllium husk, and fish oil. Link to comment
Gigi68 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Have a wonderful trip! 2005-2013 Ambien 5mg. Stopped taking with little problem 12/20 Buspirone 7.5mg 2x daily 5/22 CT from Buspirone- no WD 12/20 Mirtazapine 7.5mg 1x daily 2/11/21 17% reduction homemade Mirtazapine liquid to 6.2ml, 3/27/21 5.9ml, 4/23/21 5.6ml, 5/8/21 5.3ml, 5/28/21 5.0ml, 6/13/21 4.88ml, 6/20/21 4.75ml, 7/2/21 4.62ml, 7/12/21 4.5ml 7/25/21 4.37ml, 8/4/21 4.24, 8/17/21 4.10, 8/27/21 3.96, 9/23/21 3.84, 10/8/21 3.72, 11/13/21 3.5, 12/13/21 3.3, 1/9/22 3.1mg, 2/10/22 2.9mg, 3/9 2.7mg, 4/8 2.5mg, 5/22 2.3mg, 5/28 CT Buspirone, 7/24 2.2mg, 8/24 2.05mg, 9/14 1.9mg 10/11 1.75 11/12 1.6, 12/3 1.47, 1/3/23, 1.35, 2/1 1.24, 2/23 1.14, 3/17 1.03, 4/7 .93, 4/27 .83, 5/18 .75, 6/13 .67, 7/17 .59, 8/7 .52, 8/25 .50, 9/1 .48, 9/23 .43, 10/22 .38, 11/5 .33, 11/20 .28, 12/4 .24 12/18 .20, 12/31 .15, 1/14/24 .10, 1/30 .07, 2/18 .04, 2/25 0, drug free Supplements: 4,000iu vitamin D, Vitamin K, Probiotic, 400mg magnesium glycinate, 250mg vitamin C, Fish Oil, collagen peptides, CBD or CBN as needed for sleep, Ginger Tummy Drops as needed Link to comment
marie123 Posted November 30, 2021 Author Share Posted November 30, 2021 Hello everyone. So I fainted last night. I did not lose consciousness but I fell to the floor. I woke up in the middle of the night with bad stomach pain. I did eat some heavy food pretty late. I had a couple of bowel movements. Mirt gets me constipated a lot so my gut surely is messed up. Took a while and finally got up but I felt weak, clammy, and very dizzy. I was holding onto the walls to make it back to bed, but I hit the floor hard. It made a loud thump and woke up my husband. He lifted me off the floor and helped me back to bed. I'm dizzy in the middle of the night anyways from the sleepy effect of Mirt. Luckily I did not hurt myself. Mirt can cause syncope. It's one of it's side effects. I am in the middle of the taper, about two weeks into a small cut. This is when the w/d for me intensifies. I have my suspicions too about Ibuprofen I was taking for two days straight. I was taking it because I have a light sprain in my shoulder from putting up the Christmas tree. I remember this same thing happened about 5 years ago during trazodone withdrawal. It happened prior to that when I was taking a prescription ibuprofen type for a finger sprain. I feel a little weak and more off today but that's to be expected. I take Ibuprofen rarely cause I do feel strange for a few days afterwards. My trip is in a week and a half. I should be good by then. Be well. Marie. 10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14 Jumped 10/14. Done. 3/14 7.5 Remeron still taking this. 2/14 75 Trazodone - Tapered by dry cutting all the way down. 1/16 4 mg Trazodone - Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Reinstated. 4/16 Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone 2/19 .04 Trazodone. Walked off. Done. 10/3/19 Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076 4/5/20 New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg. 1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg 2/21 5.75 mg, 3/21 5.6 mg, 4/7 5.45, 4/14 5.30, 5/12 5.15, 5/25/21 4.99 mg, 6/29 4.87 mg, 7/14/21 4.74 mg, 8/5 4.62 mg 8/17 4.5 mg, 8/30 4.38 mg,9/16 4.26 mg,10/9 4.14 mg, 10/23 4.05 mg, 11/6 3.96 mg,11/17 3.87mg.***Jan 22 Liquid was changed/couldn't tolerate***Changed back to pills. Feb 22/3.9 mg, 2/17/22 3.8 mg, 3/23 3.7 mg, 4/7 3.6 mg, 5/10 3.5mg,6/10/22 3.4 mg, 7/4 3.3 mg, 7/25 3.2 mg, 8/20/22 3.1 mg, 9/15 3 mg, 10/8/22 2.9 mg., 12/15 2.8 mg, 1/6/23 2.7 mg, 2/16/23 2.6 mg, 3/9 2.5 mg, 4/4 2.4 mg, 4/29/23 2.3 mg, 5/26 2.2 mg, 6/22/23 2.1 mg, 10/14 2 mg, 11/12 1.9 mg, 11/28 1.8 mg , 12/14/23 1.7, 12/31/23 1.6 mg, 1/20 1.5 mg, 2/6/24 1.4 mg, 2/12 updose 1.5 mg, 3/27/24 1.4 mg. Taking multi-vitamin, vit. D, cholestoff, psyllium husk, and fish oil. Link to comment
marie123 Posted December 1, 2021 Author Share Posted December 1, 2021 Hello everyone. I feel much better today. I'm still not withdrawal normal but I'm getting there recovering from that blip. I'm still a little weak but the heavy head/dizziness has abated for the most part. I'm losing weight more easily so I think that might be an issue. It's good that I am but I have to make sure I don't get too dehydrated. I'll keep going. Marie. 10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14 Jumped 10/14. Done. 3/14 7.5 Remeron still taking this. 2/14 75 Trazodone - Tapered by dry cutting all the way down. 1/16 4 mg Trazodone - Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Reinstated. 4/16 Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone 2/19 .04 Trazodone. Walked off. Done. 10/3/19 Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076 4/5/20 New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg. 1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg 2/21 5.75 mg, 3/21 5.6 mg, 4/7 5.45, 4/14 5.30, 5/12 5.15, 5/25/21 4.99 mg, 6/29 4.87 mg, 7/14/21 4.74 mg, 8/5 4.62 mg 8/17 4.5 mg, 8/30 4.38 mg,9/16 4.26 mg,10/9 4.14 mg, 10/23 4.05 mg, 11/6 3.96 mg,11/17 3.87mg.***Jan 22 Liquid was changed/couldn't tolerate***Changed back to pills. Feb 22/3.9 mg, 2/17/22 3.8 mg, 3/23 3.7 mg, 4/7 3.6 mg, 5/10 3.5mg,6/10/22 3.4 mg, 7/4 3.3 mg, 7/25 3.2 mg, 8/20/22 3.1 mg, 9/15 3 mg, 10/8/22 2.9 mg., 12/15 2.8 mg, 1/6/23 2.7 mg, 2/16/23 2.6 mg, 3/9 2.5 mg, 4/4 2.4 mg, 4/29/23 2.3 mg, 5/26 2.2 mg, 6/22/23 2.1 mg, 10/14 2 mg, 11/12 1.9 mg, 11/28 1.8 mg , 12/14/23 1.7, 12/31/23 1.6 mg, 1/20 1.5 mg, 2/6/24 1.4 mg, 2/12 updose 1.5 mg, 3/27/24 1.4 mg. Taking multi-vitamin, vit. D, cholestoff, psyllium husk, and fish oil. Link to comment
Gigi68 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Glad you are feeling better Marie. You’ve got a big trip coming up. Hope you are good and stable for it! 2005-2013 Ambien 5mg. Stopped taking with little problem 12/20 Buspirone 7.5mg 2x daily 5/22 CT from Buspirone- no WD 12/20 Mirtazapine 7.5mg 1x daily 2/11/21 17% reduction homemade Mirtazapine liquid to 6.2ml, 3/27/21 5.9ml, 4/23/21 5.6ml, 5/8/21 5.3ml, 5/28/21 5.0ml, 6/13/21 4.88ml, 6/20/21 4.75ml, 7/2/21 4.62ml, 7/12/21 4.5ml 7/25/21 4.37ml, 8/4/21 4.24, 8/17/21 4.10, 8/27/21 3.96, 9/23/21 3.84, 10/8/21 3.72, 11/13/21 3.5, 12/13/21 3.3, 1/9/22 3.1mg, 2/10/22 2.9mg, 3/9 2.7mg, 4/8 2.5mg, 5/22 2.3mg, 5/28 CT Buspirone, 7/24 2.2mg, 8/24 2.05mg, 9/14 1.9mg 10/11 1.75 11/12 1.6, 12/3 1.47, 1/3/23, 1.35, 2/1 1.24, 2/23 1.14, 3/17 1.03, 4/7 .93, 4/27 .83, 5/18 .75, 6/13 .67, 7/17 .59, 8/7 .52, 8/25 .50, 9/1 .48, 9/23 .43, 10/22 .38, 11/5 .33, 11/20 .28, 12/4 .24 12/18 .20, 12/31 .15, 1/14/24 .10, 1/30 .07, 2/18 .04, 2/25 0, drug free Supplements: 4,000iu vitamin D, Vitamin K, Probiotic, 400mg magnesium glycinate, 250mg vitamin C, Fish Oil, collagen peptides, CBD or CBN as needed for sleep, Ginger Tummy Drops as needed Link to comment
marie123 Posted December 1, 2021 Author Share Posted December 1, 2021 Thanks Gigi. Seems I'm getting my energy back and windowy today. I'm starting to stabilize and will be good for the trip. I drove the car today for a while with no issues. We all just need to keep pushing forward. Be well. Marie. 10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14 Jumped 10/14. Done. 3/14 7.5 Remeron still taking this. 2/14 75 Trazodone - Tapered by dry cutting all the way down. 1/16 4 mg Trazodone - Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Reinstated. 4/16 Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone 2/19 .04 Trazodone. Walked off. Done. 10/3/19 Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076 4/5/20 New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg. 1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg 2/21 5.75 mg, 3/21 5.6 mg, 4/7 5.45, 4/14 5.30, 5/12 5.15, 5/25/21 4.99 mg, 6/29 4.87 mg, 7/14/21 4.74 mg, 8/5 4.62 mg 8/17 4.5 mg, 8/30 4.38 mg,9/16 4.26 mg,10/9 4.14 mg, 10/23 4.05 mg, 11/6 3.96 mg,11/17 3.87mg.***Jan 22 Liquid was changed/couldn't tolerate***Changed back to pills. Feb 22/3.9 mg, 2/17/22 3.8 mg, 3/23 3.7 mg, 4/7 3.6 mg, 5/10 3.5mg,6/10/22 3.4 mg, 7/4 3.3 mg, 7/25 3.2 mg, 8/20/22 3.1 mg, 9/15 3 mg, 10/8/22 2.9 mg., 12/15 2.8 mg, 1/6/23 2.7 mg, 2/16/23 2.6 mg, 3/9 2.5 mg, 4/4 2.4 mg, 4/29/23 2.3 mg, 5/26 2.2 mg, 6/22/23 2.1 mg, 10/14 2 mg, 11/12 1.9 mg, 11/28 1.8 mg , 12/14/23 1.7, 12/31/23 1.6 mg, 1/20 1.5 mg, 2/6/24 1.4 mg, 2/12 updose 1.5 mg, 3/27/24 1.4 mg. Taking multi-vitamin, vit. D, cholestoff, psyllium husk, and fish oil. Link to comment
marie123 Posted December 5, 2021 Author Share Posted December 5, 2021 Hello. I am feeling pretty good and stable. The holiday season can be very stressful. I got through hosting Thanksgiving and got all of my holiday shopping done. I have my suitcase packed. I'm still a bit uptight about the long flight to the other coast during covid and it's new variant. I am fully vaccinated and boostered which I think will protect me pretty well. This is not a pleasure trip really. It's to see family I have not seen in two years. I hope I do not get hassled over my liquid med. It's in the medicine bottle with the script on it in iced lunch. Be well everyone and Happy Holidays. Marie. 1 10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14 Jumped 10/14. Done. 3/14 7.5 Remeron still taking this. 2/14 75 Trazodone - Tapered by dry cutting all the way down. 1/16 4 mg Trazodone - Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Reinstated. 4/16 Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone 2/19 .04 Trazodone. Walked off. Done. 10/3/19 Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076 4/5/20 New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg. 1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg 2/21 5.75 mg, 3/21 5.6 mg, 4/7 5.45, 4/14 5.30, 5/12 5.15, 5/25/21 4.99 mg, 6/29 4.87 mg, 7/14/21 4.74 mg, 8/5 4.62 mg 8/17 4.5 mg, 8/30 4.38 mg,9/16 4.26 mg,10/9 4.14 mg, 10/23 4.05 mg, 11/6 3.96 mg,11/17 3.87mg.***Jan 22 Liquid was changed/couldn't tolerate***Changed back to pills. Feb 22/3.9 mg, 2/17/22 3.8 mg, 3/23 3.7 mg, 4/7 3.6 mg, 5/10 3.5mg,6/10/22 3.4 mg, 7/4 3.3 mg, 7/25 3.2 mg, 8/20/22 3.1 mg, 9/15 3 mg, 10/8/22 2.9 mg., 12/15 2.8 mg, 1/6/23 2.7 mg, 2/16/23 2.6 mg, 3/9 2.5 mg, 4/4 2.4 mg, 4/29/23 2.3 mg, 5/26 2.2 mg, 6/22/23 2.1 mg, 10/14 2 mg, 11/12 1.9 mg, 11/28 1.8 mg , 12/14/23 1.7, 12/31/23 1.6 mg, 1/20 1.5 mg, 2/6/24 1.4 mg, 2/12 updose 1.5 mg, 3/27/24 1.4 mg. Taking multi-vitamin, vit. D, cholestoff, psyllium husk, and fish oil. Link to comment
Gigi68 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Happy Holidays to you Marie! Have a wonderful trip! 1 2005-2013 Ambien 5mg. Stopped taking with little problem 12/20 Buspirone 7.5mg 2x daily 5/22 CT from Buspirone- no WD 12/20 Mirtazapine 7.5mg 1x daily 2/11/21 17% reduction homemade Mirtazapine liquid to 6.2ml, 3/27/21 5.9ml, 4/23/21 5.6ml, 5/8/21 5.3ml, 5/28/21 5.0ml, 6/13/21 4.88ml, 6/20/21 4.75ml, 7/2/21 4.62ml, 7/12/21 4.5ml 7/25/21 4.37ml, 8/4/21 4.24, 8/17/21 4.10, 8/27/21 3.96, 9/23/21 3.84, 10/8/21 3.72, 11/13/21 3.5, 12/13/21 3.3, 1/9/22 3.1mg, 2/10/22 2.9mg, 3/9 2.7mg, 4/8 2.5mg, 5/22 2.3mg, 5/28 CT Buspirone, 7/24 2.2mg, 8/24 2.05mg, 9/14 1.9mg 10/11 1.75 11/12 1.6, 12/3 1.47, 1/3/23, 1.35, 2/1 1.24, 2/23 1.14, 3/17 1.03, 4/7 .93, 4/27 .83, 5/18 .75, 6/13 .67, 7/17 .59, 8/7 .52, 8/25 .50, 9/1 .48, 9/23 .43, 10/22 .38, 11/5 .33, 11/20 .28, 12/4 .24 12/18 .20, 12/31 .15, 1/14/24 .10, 1/30 .07, 2/18 .04, 2/25 0, drug free Supplements: 4,000iu vitamin D, Vitamin K, Probiotic, 400mg magnesium glycinate, 250mg vitamin C, Fish Oil, collagen peptides, CBD or CBN as needed for sleep, Ginger Tummy Drops as needed Link to comment
marie123 Posted December 21, 2021 Author Share Posted December 21, 2021 Hello everyone. I just got back from my long trip to the other coast. I did a lot and I think I'll need a few days to rest up. I can't tell if I had extra w/d since I was so busy and the jet lag lasted three days. The time change (3 hours) messed up the times I took my meds. I adjusted to it though. I feel like I need a vacation from a vacation. I was concerned about taking my liquid med. On the way there and on the way back my carryon was scanned through airline security and went into the "naughty" lane instead of the "nice" lane. They unzipped my carryon and the cold pack with the liquid Mirt in it. I just said it was my medicine. They said they will have to test it. One of them told me I could watch them test it. He put the bottle on it's side in a sophisticated machine. It was not opened. The machine read it back as "not harmful". Security wants to know if any liquids can be used for nefarious reasons on the airplanes. So next time I travel I won't be concerned in the least. I have to ready myself and home for Christmas since I'm hosting. I'll make my next cut on 12/26 which will put me at 3.75 mg. I'll start the new year in a good place and start losing some weight again. I ate out way too much. I just counted and it was 17 times. Be well everyone. Marie. 10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14 Jumped 10/14. Done. 3/14 7.5 Remeron still taking this. 2/14 75 Trazodone - Tapered by dry cutting all the way down. 1/16 4 mg Trazodone - Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Reinstated. 4/16 Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone 2/19 .04 Trazodone. Walked off. Done. 10/3/19 Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076 4/5/20 New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg. 1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg 2/21 5.75 mg, 3/21 5.6 mg, 4/7 5.45, 4/14 5.30, 5/12 5.15, 5/25/21 4.99 mg, 6/29 4.87 mg, 7/14/21 4.74 mg, 8/5 4.62 mg 8/17 4.5 mg, 8/30 4.38 mg,9/16 4.26 mg,10/9 4.14 mg, 10/23 4.05 mg, 11/6 3.96 mg,11/17 3.87mg.***Jan 22 Liquid was changed/couldn't tolerate***Changed back to pills. Feb 22/3.9 mg, 2/17/22 3.8 mg, 3/23 3.7 mg, 4/7 3.6 mg, 5/10 3.5mg,6/10/22 3.4 mg, 7/4 3.3 mg, 7/25 3.2 mg, 8/20/22 3.1 mg, 9/15 3 mg, 10/8/22 2.9 mg., 12/15 2.8 mg, 1/6/23 2.7 mg, 2/16/23 2.6 mg, 3/9 2.5 mg, 4/4 2.4 mg, 4/29/23 2.3 mg, 5/26 2.2 mg, 6/22/23 2.1 mg, 10/14 2 mg, 11/12 1.9 mg, 11/28 1.8 mg , 12/14/23 1.7, 12/31/23 1.6 mg, 1/20 1.5 mg, 2/6/24 1.4 mg, 2/12 updose 1.5 mg, 3/27/24 1.4 mg. Taking multi-vitamin, vit. D, cholestoff, psyllium husk, and fish oil. Link to comment
marie123 Posted December 23, 2021 Author Share Posted December 23, 2021 Hello. Three days later from my return I'm sick with what feels like a bad cold. I had two vacs and a booster. It might be covid that I picked up at the airport or plane. The airport on the way home was a madhouse teeming with people. I will get tested on Sunday hopefully but testing places are way overbooked so we'll see. Family member is sick too so the holiday celebration will be pushed back until January. My cut will be pushed back. Stay safe everyone and be well. Marie. 1 10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14 Jumped 10/14. Done. 3/14 7.5 Remeron still taking this. 2/14 75 Trazodone - Tapered by dry cutting all the way down. 1/16 4 mg Trazodone - Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Reinstated. 4/16 Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone 2/19 .04 Trazodone. Walked off. Done. 10/3/19 Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076 4/5/20 New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg. 1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg 2/21 5.75 mg, 3/21 5.6 mg, 4/7 5.45, 4/14 5.30, 5/12 5.15, 5/25/21 4.99 mg, 6/29 4.87 mg, 7/14/21 4.74 mg, 8/5 4.62 mg 8/17 4.5 mg, 8/30 4.38 mg,9/16 4.26 mg,10/9 4.14 mg, 10/23 4.05 mg, 11/6 3.96 mg,11/17 3.87mg.***Jan 22 Liquid was changed/couldn't tolerate***Changed back to pills. Feb 22/3.9 mg, 2/17/22 3.8 mg, 3/23 3.7 mg, 4/7 3.6 mg, 5/10 3.5mg,6/10/22 3.4 mg, 7/4 3.3 mg, 7/25 3.2 mg, 8/20/22 3.1 mg, 9/15 3 mg, 10/8/22 2.9 mg., 12/15 2.8 mg, 1/6/23 2.7 mg, 2/16/23 2.6 mg, 3/9 2.5 mg, 4/4 2.4 mg, 4/29/23 2.3 mg, 5/26 2.2 mg, 6/22/23 2.1 mg, 10/14 2 mg, 11/12 1.9 mg, 11/28 1.8 mg , 12/14/23 1.7, 12/31/23 1.6 mg, 1/20 1.5 mg, 2/6/24 1.4 mg, 2/12 updose 1.5 mg, 3/27/24 1.4 mg. Taking multi-vitamin, vit. D, cholestoff, psyllium husk, and fish oil. Link to comment
marie123 Posted December 24, 2021 Author Share Posted December 24, 2021 Hello. I got some home test kits last night from 7 Eleven of all places. Last night I tested negative for Covid. Today I tested positive. I did the test more correctly today. I assume I am positive, and I'm going to get a different test at a clinic since I'm curious. It seems like a bad cold with fatigue being the worst symptom. I've had worse viruses. Mirt withdrawal symptoms are not noticeable except I feel more itching. I was gifted a great shampoo that takes away the itchiness from my scalp due to Mirt drying everything. Love it. It's called Briogeo Charcoal and Coconut Shampoo. I believe it also has tea tree oil in it. Happy Holidays. Marie. 1 10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14 Jumped 10/14. Done. 3/14 7.5 Remeron still taking this. 2/14 75 Trazodone - Tapered by dry cutting all the way down. 1/16 4 mg Trazodone - Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Reinstated. 4/16 Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone 2/19 .04 Trazodone. Walked off. Done. 10/3/19 Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076 4/5/20 New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg. 1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg 2/21 5.75 mg, 3/21 5.6 mg, 4/7 5.45, 4/14 5.30, 5/12 5.15, 5/25/21 4.99 mg, 6/29 4.87 mg, 7/14/21 4.74 mg, 8/5 4.62 mg 8/17 4.5 mg, 8/30 4.38 mg,9/16 4.26 mg,10/9 4.14 mg, 10/23 4.05 mg, 11/6 3.96 mg,11/17 3.87mg.***Jan 22 Liquid was changed/couldn't tolerate***Changed back to pills. Feb 22/3.9 mg, 2/17/22 3.8 mg, 3/23 3.7 mg, 4/7 3.6 mg, 5/10 3.5mg,6/10/22 3.4 mg, 7/4 3.3 mg, 7/25 3.2 mg, 8/20/22 3.1 mg, 9/15 3 mg, 10/8/22 2.9 mg., 12/15 2.8 mg, 1/6/23 2.7 mg, 2/16/23 2.6 mg, 3/9 2.5 mg, 4/4 2.4 mg, 4/29/23 2.3 mg, 5/26 2.2 mg, 6/22/23 2.1 mg, 10/14 2 mg, 11/12 1.9 mg, 11/28 1.8 mg , 12/14/23 1.7, 12/31/23 1.6 mg, 1/20 1.5 mg, 2/6/24 1.4 mg, 2/12 updose 1.5 mg, 3/27/24 1.4 mg. Taking multi-vitamin, vit. D, cholestoff, psyllium husk, and fish oil. Link to comment
savinggrace Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 So sorry to hear this Marie, but it sounds like you are going to get through it and be okay...and you got to take your trip...and your mirt w/d is going okay...so all, in all, pretty good... thanks for sharing about the shampoo. I think I have some sort of psoriasis on my scalp. This sounds like an option for me to try. Merry Christmas Marie! May your COVID be short and over soon. My son and his family have it right now but they seem to be having pretty mild symptoms and my grandson only was symptomatic for 2 days or less. Grace amitriptyline from 1980-2002, intermittent use of benzos over 2 decades prior to 2002 2002-2010 Klonopin 1-2 mg., ambien 10--20, mg, remeron 4 mg. and trileptal 300 mg 2011 Stopped ambien and crossed over to valium 17.5 mg. (updosing 2.5 mg. to cover ambien C/T ) tapered valium w/ long holds to 12.74 mg. from a high of approximately 20-30 mg/day 2015-present tapered trileptal aggressively for a year; now intermittently; interacts w/ other drugs currently 2024 still on 96 mg. trileptal and 4 mg. remeron Currently on benzo hold as I have to cross-over from brand-name valium to generic diazepam. Current dose of diazepam is 8.8 and valium is 5.7. I had to up-dose the total valium/diazepam from 12.74 to 14.5 where I have stayed since June 2023. I am crossing over to generic at a somewhat tolerable rate of .3mg/month after about 2 months of trial/error w/ updosing. I am not currently tapering; will continue to cross over. Link to comment
Gigi68 Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 Hi Marie, sorry to hear you may have Covid. Good thing you are vaccinated and boosted. Hopefully it will be short and mild. My wish for us this Christmas is that by next Christmas we are way down in our taper and doing well! Rest up. Merry Christmas 2005-2013 Ambien 5mg. Stopped taking with little problem 12/20 Buspirone 7.5mg 2x daily 5/22 CT from Buspirone- no WD 12/20 Mirtazapine 7.5mg 1x daily 2/11/21 17% reduction homemade Mirtazapine liquid to 6.2ml, 3/27/21 5.9ml, 4/23/21 5.6ml, 5/8/21 5.3ml, 5/28/21 5.0ml, 6/13/21 4.88ml, 6/20/21 4.75ml, 7/2/21 4.62ml, 7/12/21 4.5ml 7/25/21 4.37ml, 8/4/21 4.24, 8/17/21 4.10, 8/27/21 3.96, 9/23/21 3.84, 10/8/21 3.72, 11/13/21 3.5, 12/13/21 3.3, 1/9/22 3.1mg, 2/10/22 2.9mg, 3/9 2.7mg, 4/8 2.5mg, 5/22 2.3mg, 5/28 CT Buspirone, 7/24 2.2mg, 8/24 2.05mg, 9/14 1.9mg 10/11 1.75 11/12 1.6, 12/3 1.47, 1/3/23, 1.35, 2/1 1.24, 2/23 1.14, 3/17 1.03, 4/7 .93, 4/27 .83, 5/18 .75, 6/13 .67, 7/17 .59, 8/7 .52, 8/25 .50, 9/1 .48, 9/23 .43, 10/22 .38, 11/5 .33, 11/20 .28, 12/4 .24 12/18 .20, 12/31 .15, 1/14/24 .10, 1/30 .07, 2/18 .04, 2/25 0, drug free Supplements: 4,000iu vitamin D, Vitamin K, Probiotic, 400mg magnesium glycinate, 250mg vitamin C, Fish Oil, collagen peptides, CBD or CBN as needed for sleep, Ginger Tummy Drops as needed Link to comment
Mimi65 Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Hi Marie, Been thinking about you and wondering how you’re feeling, is the covid better? Dec 2020, health issues, severe insomnia started Jan 2020 Doc thought anxiety and started duloxetine 20mg Feb 9 2021, dose increased to 30mg Feb 16, 2021 due to side effects, told to stop, opened capsule and dropped a few beads at a time while starting 7.5 mirtazapine March 15, finished duloxetine taper, continued on mirtazapine June, tapered 1/4 pill mirtazapine every 2 weeks under doctors orders, insomnia came back so back on 7.5 mirtazapine august started taper again after being back on 7.5 for few weeks 8/27/21 - 5.7, 9/17 - 5.0, 10/1 - 4.3, 10/11 - 4.0, 10/21 - 3.7, 10/31 - 3.2, 11/7-2.9, 11/16 - 2.4, 11/26 - 2.0, 12/4 - 1.8, 12/11 - 1.5, 12/29 - 1.2, 1/12 - 1.0, 1/22 - .8, 1/29 - .6, 2/9 - .5, 3/5 - .3, Link to comment
marie123 Posted January 1, 2022 Author Share Posted January 1, 2022 Hi Mimi. No, I am still sick, improving, but still sick. Fatigue is the worst symptom. I am still congested and coughing. I took 3 rapid tests, 2 negative and one positive. I am still waiting for the PCR test, but it is backed up with a 2 week wait. I spoke with my doc and said that the one positive means I am positive for Covid. If the PCR test comes back negative (which I hope it does), then I'm negative as that is the better test. I have had symptoms of Omicrom particularly the headache which I hardly ever get when I get a virus. Also waves of sickness, where I feel OK for a while then feel sick again. That's Omicron. It feels like a very bad nasty cold. I'm just annoyed that it pushed back my holiday plans, tapering, etc. Since being on these meds whenever I get a cold it takes a long time to recover. Stinks but another reason to get off. Happy New Year. Marie. 1 10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14 Jumped 10/14. Done. 3/14 7.5 Remeron still taking this. 2/14 75 Trazodone - Tapered by dry cutting all the way down. 1/16 4 mg Trazodone - Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Reinstated. 4/16 Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone 2/19 .04 Trazodone. Walked off. Done. 10/3/19 Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076 4/5/20 New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg. 1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg 2/21 5.75 mg, 3/21 5.6 mg, 4/7 5.45, 4/14 5.30, 5/12 5.15, 5/25/21 4.99 mg, 6/29 4.87 mg, 7/14/21 4.74 mg, 8/5 4.62 mg 8/17 4.5 mg, 8/30 4.38 mg,9/16 4.26 mg,10/9 4.14 mg, 10/23 4.05 mg, 11/6 3.96 mg,11/17 3.87mg.***Jan 22 Liquid was changed/couldn't tolerate***Changed back to pills. Feb 22/3.9 mg, 2/17/22 3.8 mg, 3/23 3.7 mg, 4/7 3.6 mg, 5/10 3.5mg,6/10/22 3.4 mg, 7/4 3.3 mg, 7/25 3.2 mg, 8/20/22 3.1 mg, 9/15 3 mg, 10/8/22 2.9 mg., 12/15 2.8 mg, 1/6/23 2.7 mg, 2/16/23 2.6 mg, 3/9 2.5 mg, 4/4 2.4 mg, 4/29/23 2.3 mg, 5/26 2.2 mg, 6/22/23 2.1 mg, 10/14 2 mg, 11/12 1.9 mg, 11/28 1.8 mg , 12/14/23 1.7, 12/31/23 1.6 mg, 1/20 1.5 mg, 2/6/24 1.4 mg, 2/12 updose 1.5 mg, 3/27/24 1.4 mg. Taking multi-vitamin, vit. D, cholestoff, psyllium husk, and fish oil. Link to comment
Bestill Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 How are you feeling today? question with tapering. I read somewhere that in the beginning it’s harder to taper because you were so used to a steady state and as you continue the slow taper, it gets better. Did you find this to be true for yourself? I’m feeling it today a little more than I have been. Thanks! June 9th 2021 Mirtazapine 7.5 mg June 24th Mirtazapine 11.25 mg Oct 25th tapered 16% and had major withdrawals on day 4. Oct 29th went up original dose. Dec 28th 2021 @ 11.25 Dec 31st 2022 @ 5.5 Dec 31st 2023 @ 2.4 Jan 15th 2024 @ 2.2 Mar 5th 2024 @ 1.9 Supplement from standard process- these are made with wholefoods-calm five, magnesium cream. Link to comment
marie123 Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 I'm still sick but improving slowly. It's been two weeks with this. I can't believe I still don't have PCR results yet. My doc says I'm positive since the rapid test was positive. I guess it's possible that I have the flu instead. It's frustrating to be sure. It's hard to answer your question Bestill. Well when you haven't tapered yet you may feel better and only feel side effects. Some people feel bad with the side effects so they taper (me). As you taper you might feel a bit better since some of the side effects went away, but then you feel worse since the withdrawal kicks in. When I cut Mirt I sometimes feel a bit better for the first four days, then feel worse for days, then it improves some, and then I sometimes get hit by the end of four weeks with increased withdrawal. If I wait a longer time between cuts about 1.5 months I start to feel the best. Withdrawal is unpredictable but you can sometimes find patterns. What you are experiencing is normal withdrawal. I do know if you taper slower and smaller you will feel less withdrawal, but you will always feel withdrawal as you taper. I expect to feel withdrawal for as long as I taper and I am thinking this will take another two years. It may get easier as I approach the smaller doses if I'm careful. That is what I am hoping for. Avoid stress, alcohol, more meds, too much exercise, sugar or supplements. etc. Also you can't avoid it most of the time and that's illness. Your experience may be different than mine. Be well. Marie. 10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14 Jumped 10/14. Done. 3/14 7.5 Remeron still taking this. 2/14 75 Trazodone - Tapered by dry cutting all the way down. 1/16 4 mg Trazodone - Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Reinstated. 4/16 Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone 2/19 .04 Trazodone. Walked off. Done. 10/3/19 Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076 4/5/20 New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg. 1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg 2/21 5.75 mg, 3/21 5.6 mg, 4/7 5.45, 4/14 5.30, 5/12 5.15, 5/25/21 4.99 mg, 6/29 4.87 mg, 7/14/21 4.74 mg, 8/5 4.62 mg 8/17 4.5 mg, 8/30 4.38 mg,9/16 4.26 mg,10/9 4.14 mg, 10/23 4.05 mg, 11/6 3.96 mg,11/17 3.87mg.***Jan 22 Liquid was changed/couldn't tolerate***Changed back to pills. Feb 22/3.9 mg, 2/17/22 3.8 mg, 3/23 3.7 mg, 4/7 3.6 mg, 5/10 3.5mg,6/10/22 3.4 mg, 7/4 3.3 mg, 7/25 3.2 mg, 8/20/22 3.1 mg, 9/15 3 mg, 10/8/22 2.9 mg., 12/15 2.8 mg, 1/6/23 2.7 mg, 2/16/23 2.6 mg, 3/9 2.5 mg, 4/4 2.4 mg, 4/29/23 2.3 mg, 5/26 2.2 mg, 6/22/23 2.1 mg, 10/14 2 mg, 11/12 1.9 mg, 11/28 1.8 mg , 12/14/23 1.7, 12/31/23 1.6 mg, 1/20 1.5 mg, 2/6/24 1.4 mg, 2/12 updose 1.5 mg, 3/27/24 1.4 mg. Taking multi-vitamin, vit. D, cholestoff, psyllium husk, and fish oil. Link to comment
Bestill Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Everything you said is very helpful. Thank you! June 9th 2021 Mirtazapine 7.5 mg June 24th Mirtazapine 11.25 mg Oct 25th tapered 16% and had major withdrawals on day 4. Oct 29th went up original dose. Dec 28th 2021 @ 11.25 Dec 31st 2022 @ 5.5 Dec 31st 2023 @ 2.4 Jan 15th 2024 @ 2.2 Mar 5th 2024 @ 1.9 Supplement from standard process- these are made with wholefoods-calm five, magnesium cream. Link to comment
Mimi65 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 How are you feeling? Dec 2020, health issues, severe insomnia started Jan 2020 Doc thought anxiety and started duloxetine 20mg Feb 9 2021, dose increased to 30mg Feb 16, 2021 due to side effects, told to stop, opened capsule and dropped a few beads at a time while starting 7.5 mirtazapine March 15, finished duloxetine taper, continued on mirtazapine June, tapered 1/4 pill mirtazapine every 2 weeks under doctors orders, insomnia came back so back on 7.5 mirtazapine august started taper again after being back on 7.5 for few weeks 8/27/21 - 5.7, 9/17 - 5.0, 10/1 - 4.3, 10/11 - 4.0, 10/21 - 3.7, 10/31 - 3.2, 11/7-2.9, 11/16 - 2.4, 11/26 - 2.0, 12/4 - 1.8, 12/11 - 1.5, 12/29 - 1.2, 1/12 - 1.0, 1/22 - .8, 1/29 - .6, 2/9 - .5, 3/5 - .3, Link to comment
marie123 Posted January 13, 2022 Author Share Posted January 13, 2022 Hello. I'm over whatever the heck it was. I still have not gotten back the PCR results. Labs have been slammed over here. Yesterday I went to pick up my new Mirt liquid med. I open in up and draw the amount in the syringe. I see the liquid going up but it's clear. I thought the pharmacy messed up since I always get the cherry flavor and the liquid is pink. I shake the bottle and see the Mirt particles suspended so that looked right. I called first thing this morning. It did feel like a cut when I woke up. I explained that the med looked clear like water and had a different taste. The pharmacist explained that due to supply issues they are now using a different compounding agent. I do not feel sick from this new compound. I do feel like it is a cut though. Sleep was not great and I feel a bit nervous. It is possible that because it's clear I did not draw enough of the dose. I will use reading glasses tonight. This might do the trick. If not I will hold at least 4 days. If this does not work I will updose a small amount. It is possible that the pharmacist messed it up a bit so the updose should work. It's possible that with the new compound they could mix it a different way? I noticed a couple of new pharmacists there. I will not cut this month since the new compound should be treated like a dose change. I read about another Mirt taperer saying sometimes their new batch of compounded liquid Mirt was a bit off and it felt like a cut. He asked the pharmacist about this and they said FDA rules they are allowed to be 10% off. I've noticed sometimes it feels stronger with a new bottle but that could be because the old bottle was losing effectiveness. Marie. 1 10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14 Jumped 10/14. Done. 3/14 7.5 Remeron still taking this. 2/14 75 Trazodone - Tapered by dry cutting all the way down. 1/16 4 mg Trazodone - Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Reinstated. 4/16 Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone 2/19 .04 Trazodone. Walked off. Done. 10/3/19 Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076 4/5/20 New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg. 1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg 2/21 5.75 mg, 3/21 5.6 mg, 4/7 5.45, 4/14 5.30, 5/12 5.15, 5/25/21 4.99 mg, 6/29 4.87 mg, 7/14/21 4.74 mg, 8/5 4.62 mg 8/17 4.5 mg, 8/30 4.38 mg,9/16 4.26 mg,10/9 4.14 mg, 10/23 4.05 mg, 11/6 3.96 mg,11/17 3.87mg.***Jan 22 Liquid was changed/couldn't tolerate***Changed back to pills. Feb 22/3.9 mg, 2/17/22 3.8 mg, 3/23 3.7 mg, 4/7 3.6 mg, 5/10 3.5mg,6/10/22 3.4 mg, 7/4 3.3 mg, 7/25 3.2 mg, 8/20/22 3.1 mg, 9/15 3 mg, 10/8/22 2.9 mg., 12/15 2.8 mg, 1/6/23 2.7 mg, 2/16/23 2.6 mg, 3/9 2.5 mg, 4/4 2.4 mg, 4/29/23 2.3 mg, 5/26 2.2 mg, 6/22/23 2.1 mg, 10/14 2 mg, 11/12 1.9 mg, 11/28 1.8 mg , 12/14/23 1.7, 12/31/23 1.6 mg, 1/20 1.5 mg, 2/6/24 1.4 mg, 2/12 updose 1.5 mg, 3/27/24 1.4 mg. Taking multi-vitamin, vit. D, cholestoff, psyllium husk, and fish oil. Link to comment
Gigi68 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Glad you are over Covid or whatever it was. I can't believe you now have to deal with prescription problems. What a hassle! Hope you get adjusted to the new formula soon! 2005-2013 Ambien 5mg. Stopped taking with little problem 12/20 Buspirone 7.5mg 2x daily 5/22 CT from Buspirone- no WD 12/20 Mirtazapine 7.5mg 1x daily 2/11/21 17% reduction homemade Mirtazapine liquid to 6.2ml, 3/27/21 5.9ml, 4/23/21 5.6ml, 5/8/21 5.3ml, 5/28/21 5.0ml, 6/13/21 4.88ml, 6/20/21 4.75ml, 7/2/21 4.62ml, 7/12/21 4.5ml 7/25/21 4.37ml, 8/4/21 4.24, 8/17/21 4.10, 8/27/21 3.96, 9/23/21 3.84, 10/8/21 3.72, 11/13/21 3.5, 12/13/21 3.3, 1/9/22 3.1mg, 2/10/22 2.9mg, 3/9 2.7mg, 4/8 2.5mg, 5/22 2.3mg, 5/28 CT Buspirone, 7/24 2.2mg, 8/24 2.05mg, 9/14 1.9mg 10/11 1.75 11/12 1.6, 12/3 1.47, 1/3/23, 1.35, 2/1 1.24, 2/23 1.14, 3/17 1.03, 4/7 .93, 4/27 .83, 5/18 .75, 6/13 .67, 7/17 .59, 8/7 .52, 8/25 .50, 9/1 .48, 9/23 .43, 10/22 .38, 11/5 .33, 11/20 .28, 12/4 .24 12/18 .20, 12/31 .15, 1/14/24 .10, 1/30 .07, 2/18 .04, 2/25 0, drug free Supplements: 4,000iu vitamin D, Vitamin K, Probiotic, 400mg magnesium glycinate, 250mg vitamin C, Fish Oil, collagen peptides, CBD or CBN as needed for sleep, Ginger Tummy Drops as needed Link to comment
marie123 Posted January 14, 2022 Author Share Posted January 14, 2022 Thanks for responding Chessie. I do have a half bottle of the previous mix. Do you think I should go half new/half old for a week and see how it goes? It's only insomnia that I'm getting from the new liquid. It feels like a large cut. Marie. 10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14 Jumped 10/14. Done. 3/14 7.5 Remeron still taking this. 2/14 75 Trazodone - Tapered by dry cutting all the way down. 1/16 4 mg Trazodone - Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Reinstated. 4/16 Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone 2/19 .04 Trazodone. Walked off. Done. 10/3/19 Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076 4/5/20 New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg. 1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg 2/21 5.75 mg, 3/21 5.6 mg, 4/7 5.45, 4/14 5.30, 5/12 5.15, 5/25/21 4.99 mg, 6/29 4.87 mg, 7/14/21 4.74 mg, 8/5 4.62 mg 8/17 4.5 mg, 8/30 4.38 mg,9/16 4.26 mg,10/9 4.14 mg, 10/23 4.05 mg, 11/6 3.96 mg,11/17 3.87mg.***Jan 22 Liquid was changed/couldn't tolerate***Changed back to pills. Feb 22/3.9 mg, 2/17/22 3.8 mg, 3/23 3.7 mg, 4/7 3.6 mg, 5/10 3.5mg,6/10/22 3.4 mg, 7/4 3.3 mg, 7/25 3.2 mg, 8/20/22 3.1 mg, 9/15 3 mg, 10/8/22 2.9 mg., 12/15 2.8 mg, 1/6/23 2.7 mg, 2/16/23 2.6 mg, 3/9 2.5 mg, 4/4 2.4 mg, 4/29/23 2.3 mg, 5/26 2.2 mg, 6/22/23 2.1 mg, 10/14 2 mg, 11/12 1.9 mg, 11/28 1.8 mg , 12/14/23 1.7, 12/31/23 1.6 mg, 1/20 1.5 mg, 2/6/24 1.4 mg, 2/12 updose 1.5 mg, 3/27/24 1.4 mg. Taking multi-vitamin, vit. D, cholestoff, psyllium husk, and fish oil. Link to comment
marie123 Posted January 14, 2022 Author Share Posted January 14, 2022 4 hours ago, hayduke said: Every time I changed the dilution ratio of a suspension, it would feel like a cut, even at the same dosage. Usually settles down in a day or two. Hello hayduke. They used the same dilution ratio. It's made 7.5 mg per 5 ml. Marie. 10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14 Jumped 10/14. Done. 3/14 7.5 Remeron still taking this. 2/14 75 Trazodone - Tapered by dry cutting all the way down. 1/16 4 mg Trazodone - Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Reinstated. 4/16 Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone 2/19 .04 Trazodone. Walked off. Done. 10/3/19 Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076 4/5/20 New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg. 1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg 2/21 5.75 mg, 3/21 5.6 mg, 4/7 5.45, 4/14 5.30, 5/12 5.15, 5/25/21 4.99 mg, 6/29 4.87 mg, 7/14/21 4.74 mg, 8/5 4.62 mg 8/17 4.5 mg, 8/30 4.38 mg,9/16 4.26 mg,10/9 4.14 mg, 10/23 4.05 mg, 11/6 3.96 mg,11/17 3.87mg.***Jan 22 Liquid was changed/couldn't tolerate***Changed back to pills. Feb 22/3.9 mg, 2/17/22 3.8 mg, 3/23 3.7 mg, 4/7 3.6 mg, 5/10 3.5mg,6/10/22 3.4 mg, 7/4 3.3 mg, 7/25 3.2 mg, 8/20/22 3.1 mg, 9/15 3 mg, 10/8/22 2.9 mg., 12/15 2.8 mg, 1/6/23 2.7 mg, 2/16/23 2.6 mg, 3/9 2.5 mg, 4/4 2.4 mg, 4/29/23 2.3 mg, 5/26 2.2 mg, 6/22/23 2.1 mg, 10/14 2 mg, 11/12 1.9 mg, 11/28 1.8 mg , 12/14/23 1.7, 12/31/23 1.6 mg, 1/20 1.5 mg, 2/6/24 1.4 mg, 2/12 updose 1.5 mg, 3/27/24 1.4 mg. Taking multi-vitamin, vit. D, cholestoff, psyllium husk, and fish oil. Link to comment
marie123 Posted January 14, 2022 Author Share Posted January 14, 2022 Hi Gigi68. What a hassle is the understatement of the new year. Like I've said before sometimes it seems the universe is working against me. I do have half a bottle of the old Mirt liquid. It still was working fine. Chessie gave me a good idea and said try crossing over. I am so sensitive to med changes. The only thing wrong is insomnia. I did not sleep at all last night, zero sleep. The night before 4/5 hours. I'm going to try to keep calm. I have ideas on what to do if the crossover does not work. The new liquid Mirt might be metabolizing faster so I get insomnia. I can updose some and see if the insomnia lessens. I can go back to weighing and cutting. After staying on the pill form for a bit and getting nice and stable, I'll make my own solution and cross-over. Still no pcr result back. Maybe I had flurona. At least I wasn't sick from Omicron/flu when I got the new bottle. 10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14 Jumped 10/14. Done. 3/14 7.5 Remeron still taking this. 2/14 75 Trazodone - Tapered by dry cutting all the way down. 1/16 4 mg Trazodone - Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Reinstated. 4/16 Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone 2/19 .04 Trazodone. Walked off. Done. 10/3/19 Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076 4/5/20 New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg. 1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg 2/21 5.75 mg, 3/21 5.6 mg, 4/7 5.45, 4/14 5.30, 5/12 5.15, 5/25/21 4.99 mg, 6/29 4.87 mg, 7/14/21 4.74 mg, 8/5 4.62 mg 8/17 4.5 mg, 8/30 4.38 mg,9/16 4.26 mg,10/9 4.14 mg, 10/23 4.05 mg, 11/6 3.96 mg,11/17 3.87mg.***Jan 22 Liquid was changed/couldn't tolerate***Changed back to pills. Feb 22/3.9 mg, 2/17/22 3.8 mg, 3/23 3.7 mg, 4/7 3.6 mg, 5/10 3.5mg,6/10/22 3.4 mg, 7/4 3.3 mg, 7/25 3.2 mg, 8/20/22 3.1 mg, 9/15 3 mg, 10/8/22 2.9 mg., 12/15 2.8 mg, 1/6/23 2.7 mg, 2/16/23 2.6 mg, 3/9 2.5 mg, 4/4 2.4 mg, 4/29/23 2.3 mg, 5/26 2.2 mg, 6/22/23 2.1 mg, 10/14 2 mg, 11/12 1.9 mg, 11/28 1.8 mg , 12/14/23 1.7, 12/31/23 1.6 mg, 1/20 1.5 mg, 2/6/24 1.4 mg, 2/12 updose 1.5 mg, 3/27/24 1.4 mg. Taking multi-vitamin, vit. D, cholestoff, psyllium husk, and fish oil. Link to comment
marie123 Posted January 14, 2022 Author Share Posted January 14, 2022 Tonight I am going to crossover from my old liquid Mirt to the new liquid Mirt. I will use 75% old Mirt and 25% new Mirt. I will do this every day for one week. My only symptom is insomnia. The second week: 50% old Mirt and 50% new Mirt. The third week: 25% old Mirt and 75% new Mirt. The fourth week: All new Mirt. Wish me luck. Marie. 10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14 Jumped 10/14. Done. 3/14 7.5 Remeron still taking this. 2/14 75 Trazodone - Tapered by dry cutting all the way down. 1/16 4 mg Trazodone - Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Reinstated. 4/16 Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone 2/19 .04 Trazodone. Walked off. Done. 10/3/19 Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076 4/5/20 New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg. 1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg 2/21 5.75 mg, 3/21 5.6 mg, 4/7 5.45, 4/14 5.30, 5/12 5.15, 5/25/21 4.99 mg, 6/29 4.87 mg, 7/14/21 4.74 mg, 8/5 4.62 mg 8/17 4.5 mg, 8/30 4.38 mg,9/16 4.26 mg,10/9 4.14 mg, 10/23 4.05 mg, 11/6 3.96 mg,11/17 3.87mg.***Jan 22 Liquid was changed/couldn't tolerate***Changed back to pills. Feb 22/3.9 mg, 2/17/22 3.8 mg, 3/23 3.7 mg, 4/7 3.6 mg, 5/10 3.5mg,6/10/22 3.4 mg, 7/4 3.3 mg, 7/25 3.2 mg, 8/20/22 3.1 mg, 9/15 3 mg, 10/8/22 2.9 mg., 12/15 2.8 mg, 1/6/23 2.7 mg, 2/16/23 2.6 mg, 3/9 2.5 mg, 4/4 2.4 mg, 4/29/23 2.3 mg, 5/26 2.2 mg, 6/22/23 2.1 mg, 10/14 2 mg, 11/12 1.9 mg, 11/28 1.8 mg , 12/14/23 1.7, 12/31/23 1.6 mg, 1/20 1.5 mg, 2/6/24 1.4 mg, 2/12 updose 1.5 mg, 3/27/24 1.4 mg. Taking multi-vitamin, vit. D, cholestoff, psyllium husk, and fish oil. Link to comment
Bestill Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Good luck! Sorry you had issues with your medication but glad you are feeling better. June 9th 2021 Mirtazapine 7.5 mg June 24th Mirtazapine 11.25 mg Oct 25th tapered 16% and had major withdrawals on day 4. Oct 29th went up original dose. Dec 28th 2021 @ 11.25 Dec 31st 2022 @ 5.5 Dec 31st 2023 @ 2.4 Jan 15th 2024 @ 2.2 Mar 5th 2024 @ 1.9 Supplement from standard process- these are made with wholefoods-calm five, magnesium cream. Link to comment
Moderator hayduke Posted January 14, 2022 Moderator Share Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, marie123 said: Hello hayduke. They used the same dilution ratio. It's made 7.5 mg per 5 ml. Marie. Sure, but the point is that a "bump" in the road changing the delivery method is pretty common, as ChessieCat is saying. Many of us also notice changing pill manufacturers at the same dosage in this way. I especially noticed making a suspension with a leftover 10mg tablet with four times the usual water base was so different to a 2.5mg that I discarded the lot after one night. Mixing the liquids you have should be fine. You can do a gradual mix introducing the new one at say 1:2, 1:1 then 2:1, or along those lines. Edited January 14, 2022 by hayduke I am not a health professional - your actions are your own. Please do not seek tapering support via private message - "Any reason to hold is a good one" My taper visualised as a graph | My intro thread Backdrop: 2003 10mg olanzapine | 2004 2-3mg risperidone | end 2014 3wks aripiprazole 2015: olanzapine 10 -> 7½ -> 6⅔ -> 5mg by crude pill cutter 2018: Mar 5.00mg -> water titrated taper -> Aug2.5mg tablet and hold Jan 2019 2.50mg water titration -> Jan 2020 1.214 -> Jan 2021 0.44 -> 2 Oct 0.205 ->3 Oct ZERO🥂 Jun 2023 💉150mg paliperidone "loading" depot shot, 100mg 1wk after Jul 100mg Aug-Dec 75mg/4wks Jul 2023 2.50mg aripiprazole/day attempt to lower prolactin^ Jan-Feb 2024 cross taper off shots to 1mg risperidone Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country did to you" -- KMFDM Link to comment
BlackBetty Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Hi, So there may be a couple things going on as others have noted. Is your doctor able to prescribe the liquid Mirtazapine, so that you don't have to deal with the compounding pharmacy and that expense? It could very well a difference in what the pharmacy is using as their solvent to make your liquid - it may not be a bad idea to call them and find out what they used previously and what they are using now. That may give some more insight for you. Some of the solutions / solvents, like OraPlus have flavors and sugars, or whatever they are using just may not be agreeing with you. Or it can also be a "bump in the road" while you get used to the new solvent / suspension, as several folks have suggested. Give it a week or so to adjust / acclimate is a good idea. You may also want to consider making your own with propylene glycol. 1 Current status: Venlafaxine XR 29mg, 10mg Prozac, 10mg Valium History: Polymedicated. Clonzepam and various antidepressants for approximately 17 years - 20 years. Medications: Venlafaxine XR 150mg, Viibryd 40mg, 1.25mg Clonazepam July 2019: started tapering Clonazepam, liquid (NOT WATER) method 1.25-1.5mg. August 2019: started Viibryd 40mg taper October 2019: finished Viibryd taper! October 2020: Clonazepam HOLD at .84mg October 2020: Began tapering Venlafaxine XR 150mg, weigh method March 2021: Transition from .84mg Clonazepam to 10mg Valium April 2021: Started VXR hold at 75mg June 2021: Prozac bridge added at 5mg July 16, 2021: Upped Prozac to 10mg for the bridge. Dropped to 37.5mg VXR July 23, 2021: Dropped to 0mg VXR. YIKES. July 23, 2021: Stabilizing at 37.5mg VXR, 10mg Prozac November 29, 2021: 29mg VXR, 10mg Prozac, 10mg Valium Founder: Global PsychMed Support Network: https://www.meetup.com/global-psychmed-support-network/ (Holistic peer support network and education via Zoom. Support groups, DBT, social activities, art therapy. We use MeetUp to schedule and manage RSVPs) Link to comment
marie123 Posted January 14, 2022 Author Share Posted January 14, 2022 1 hour ago, hayduke said: Sure, but the point is that a "bump" in the road changing the delivery method is pretty common, as ChessieCat is saying. Many of us also notice changing pill manufacturers at the same dosage in this way. I especially noticed making a suspension with a leftover 10mg tablet with four times the usual water base was so different to a 2.5mg that I discarded the lot after one night. Mixing the liquids you have should be fine. You can do a gradual mix introducing the new one at say 1:2, 1:1 then 2:1, or along those lines. Yes, I am going to slowly crossover since I have a good amount left in the old bottle. I had a manufacturer change of the mirtazapine when I used the pills and had my doc write "aurobindo" only. I coudn't tolerate another brand so I guess I'm sensitive. I give the compound pharmacy my pills that are aurobindo and they make up the compound. The compound agent changed. I think by crossing over it could work. Thanks. Marie. 2 10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14 Jumped 10/14. Done. 3/14 7.5 Remeron still taking this. 2/14 75 Trazodone - Tapered by dry cutting all the way down. 1/16 4 mg Trazodone - Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Reinstated. 4/16 Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone 2/19 .04 Trazodone. Walked off. Done. 10/3/19 Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076 4/5/20 New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg. 1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg 2/21 5.75 mg, 3/21 5.6 mg, 4/7 5.45, 4/14 5.30, 5/12 5.15, 5/25/21 4.99 mg, 6/29 4.87 mg, 7/14/21 4.74 mg, 8/5 4.62 mg 8/17 4.5 mg, 8/30 4.38 mg,9/16 4.26 mg,10/9 4.14 mg, 10/23 4.05 mg, 11/6 3.96 mg,11/17 3.87mg.***Jan 22 Liquid was changed/couldn't tolerate***Changed back to pills. Feb 22/3.9 mg, 2/17/22 3.8 mg, 3/23 3.7 mg, 4/7 3.6 mg, 5/10 3.5mg,6/10/22 3.4 mg, 7/4 3.3 mg, 7/25 3.2 mg, 8/20/22 3.1 mg, 9/15 3 mg, 10/8/22 2.9 mg., 12/15 2.8 mg, 1/6/23 2.7 mg, 2/16/23 2.6 mg, 3/9 2.5 mg, 4/4 2.4 mg, 4/29/23 2.3 mg, 5/26 2.2 mg, 6/22/23 2.1 mg, 10/14 2 mg, 11/12 1.9 mg, 11/28 1.8 mg , 12/14/23 1.7, 12/31/23 1.6 mg, 1/20 1.5 mg, 2/6/24 1.4 mg, 2/12 updose 1.5 mg, 3/27/24 1.4 mg. Taking multi-vitamin, vit. D, cholestoff, psyllium husk, and fish oil. Link to comment
marie123 Posted January 14, 2022 Author Share Posted January 14, 2022 18 minutes ago, BlackBetty said: Hi, So there may be a couple things going on as others have noted. Is your doctor able to prescribe the liquid Mirtazapine, so that you don't have to deal with the compounding pharmacy and that expense? It could very well a difference in what the pharmacy is using as their solvent to make your liquid - it may not be a bad idea to call them and find out what they used previously and what they are using now. That may give some more insight for you. Some of the solutions / solvents, like OraPlus have flavors and sugars, or whatever they are using just may not be agreeing with you. Or it can also be a "bump in the road" while you get used to the new solvent / suspension, as several folks have suggested. Give it a week or so to adjust / acclimate is a good idea. You may also want to consider making your own with propylene glycol. Hello. My doctor did not agree when I asked for him to prescribe a liquid med. Most pharmacies that I called wanted that script in order to make up the liquid med. This pharmacy was willing to take my already made pills and do it without the doc's script. It is definitely the solution so I 'm hoping I will get used to it. If this does not work making my own will be an option. Do you use propylene glycol to taper? I'm going to take a month to crossover to the new forumula since I have a nice amount of the old bottle. Thanks, Marie. 10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14 Jumped 10/14. Done. 3/14 7.5 Remeron still taking this. 2/14 75 Trazodone - Tapered by dry cutting all the way down. 1/16 4 mg Trazodone - Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Reinstated. 4/16 Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone 2/19 .04 Trazodone. Walked off. Done. 10/3/19 Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076 4/5/20 New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg. 1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg 2/21 5.75 mg, 3/21 5.6 mg, 4/7 5.45, 4/14 5.30, 5/12 5.15, 5/25/21 4.99 mg, 6/29 4.87 mg, 7/14/21 4.74 mg, 8/5 4.62 mg 8/17 4.5 mg, 8/30 4.38 mg,9/16 4.26 mg,10/9 4.14 mg, 10/23 4.05 mg, 11/6 3.96 mg,11/17 3.87mg.***Jan 22 Liquid was changed/couldn't tolerate***Changed back to pills. Feb 22/3.9 mg, 2/17/22 3.8 mg, 3/23 3.7 mg, 4/7 3.6 mg, 5/10 3.5mg,6/10/22 3.4 mg, 7/4 3.3 mg, 7/25 3.2 mg, 8/20/22 3.1 mg, 9/15 3 mg, 10/8/22 2.9 mg., 12/15 2.8 mg, 1/6/23 2.7 mg, 2/16/23 2.6 mg, 3/9 2.5 mg, 4/4 2.4 mg, 4/29/23 2.3 mg, 5/26 2.2 mg, 6/22/23 2.1 mg, 10/14 2 mg, 11/12 1.9 mg, 11/28 1.8 mg , 12/14/23 1.7, 12/31/23 1.6 mg, 1/20 1.5 mg, 2/6/24 1.4 mg, 2/12 updose 1.5 mg, 3/27/24 1.4 mg. Taking multi-vitamin, vit. D, cholestoff, psyllium husk, and fish oil. Link to comment
marie123 Posted January 14, 2022 Author Share Posted January 14, 2022 Thanks. I was able to take over an hour nap. It's unusual that as soon as I hit the pillow I was asleep. I'm going to be careful and not have my afternoon green tea and stop the vit D and elderberry tablets until I am stable. Be well. Marie. 10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14 Jumped 10/14. Done. 3/14 7.5 Remeron still taking this. 2/14 75 Trazodone - Tapered by dry cutting all the way down. 1/16 4 mg Trazodone - Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Reinstated. 4/16 Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone 2/19 .04 Trazodone. Walked off. Done. 10/3/19 Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076 4/5/20 New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg. 1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg 2/21 5.75 mg, 3/21 5.6 mg, 4/7 5.45, 4/14 5.30, 5/12 5.15, 5/25/21 4.99 mg, 6/29 4.87 mg, 7/14/21 4.74 mg, 8/5 4.62 mg 8/17 4.5 mg, 8/30 4.38 mg,9/16 4.26 mg,10/9 4.14 mg, 10/23 4.05 mg, 11/6 3.96 mg,11/17 3.87mg.***Jan 22 Liquid was changed/couldn't tolerate***Changed back to pills. Feb 22/3.9 mg, 2/17/22 3.8 mg, 3/23 3.7 mg, 4/7 3.6 mg, 5/10 3.5mg,6/10/22 3.4 mg, 7/4 3.3 mg, 7/25 3.2 mg, 8/20/22 3.1 mg, 9/15 3 mg, 10/8/22 2.9 mg., 12/15 2.8 mg, 1/6/23 2.7 mg, 2/16/23 2.6 mg, 3/9 2.5 mg, 4/4 2.4 mg, 4/29/23 2.3 mg, 5/26 2.2 mg, 6/22/23 2.1 mg, 10/14 2 mg, 11/12 1.9 mg, 11/28 1.8 mg , 12/14/23 1.7, 12/31/23 1.6 mg, 1/20 1.5 mg, 2/6/24 1.4 mg, 2/12 updose 1.5 mg, 3/27/24 1.4 mg. Taking multi-vitamin, vit. D, cholestoff, psyllium husk, and fish oil. Link to comment
savinggrace Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Hi Marie, I continue to follow you as you inspire me. I am glad you are seemingly past the COVID. My Achilles’ heel has always been insomnia. In the past year I have tried hard to raise my Vitamin D level. I used every form, including tanning in the summer. I keep notes on my daily symptoms and I confirmed that vitamin D is a powerful stimulator for me. It is actually not a vitamin; it is a “seco-steroid” so it makes sense it might interfere w/ sleep. I am not implying you should stop Vitamin D intake altogether, as you seem to have been doing well with it. Just maybe a break until you get a decent sleep rhythm back would be good. I experimented with green tea. I love the stuff. It is supposed to have something in it to counter-act the caffeine stimulation. I did not find that to be true. Many many herbs interfere with the metabolism of CYP450 drugs. As for me, I have become scary vitamin B12 deficient so I am having to adjust to self injections of B12. Because of the interaction with my medications, I delayed supplementing for years. I now am playing catch up and sleeping little. 😐 My theory is that if we keep taking what we have always taken with our meds, our body/brain finds homeostasis. So maybe just a short break from vitamin D and green tea; they both have positive effects. Interestingly w/ a huge effort to bring my D level up, it actually went down. Turns out I have a genetic issue with D metabolism. Hope you get back in your sleep groove soon. Grace amitriptyline from 1980-2002, intermittent use of benzos over 2 decades prior to 2002 2002-2010 Klonopin 1-2 mg., ambien 10--20, mg, remeron 4 mg. and trileptal 300 mg 2011 Stopped ambien and crossed over to valium 17.5 mg. (updosing 2.5 mg. to cover ambien C/T ) tapered valium w/ long holds to 12.74 mg. from a high of approximately 20-30 mg/day 2015-present tapered trileptal aggressively for a year; now intermittently; interacts w/ other drugs currently 2024 still on 96 mg. trileptal and 4 mg. remeron Currently on benzo hold as I have to cross-over from brand-name valium to generic diazepam. Current dose of diazepam is 8.8 and valium is 5.7. I had to up-dose the total valium/diazepam from 12.74 to 14.5 where I have stayed since June 2023. I am crossing over to generic at a somewhat tolerable rate of .3mg/month after about 2 months of trial/error w/ updosing. I am not currently tapering; will continue to cross over. Link to comment
marie123 Posted January 14, 2022 Author Share Posted January 14, 2022 Hello Grace. Nice to see you here. I find that whenever w/d rears it's ugly head I have to hunker down and stop the "extras". Some things are supplements, tea, coffee, delicious foods like sweets, high histamine foods like pizza, pain relievers, etc. Tonight it's air fried chicken and vegetables. I like taking the vitamins since I have not since the beginning. I wanted to get health back on track. It's too bad they changed my liquid med. I was doing really well with it. I did a crossover before and that was from Mirt pills to the compound liquid. I took 3 months to do it since I wanted to make sure it will work. This crossover will be a month so I'm a bit nervous about it. The good thing is that it's the same Aurobindo Mirt pills used. My grandmother used to take injections of B-12. My mom had pernicious anema. I have avoided doctors for health workups for obvious reasons. I'll start up vitamins again after I figure this switch out. I hear you on the insomnia. I will settle for some sleep, it does not have to be perfect. With my long hold in November and December I was getting pretty good sleep with some 8 hour nights thrown in. Be well. Marie. 10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14 Jumped 10/14. Done. 3/14 7.5 Remeron still taking this. 2/14 75 Trazodone - Tapered by dry cutting all the way down. 1/16 4 mg Trazodone - Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Reinstated. 4/16 Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone 2/19 .04 Trazodone. Walked off. Done. 10/3/19 Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076 4/5/20 New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg. 1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg 2/21 5.75 mg, 3/21 5.6 mg, 4/7 5.45, 4/14 5.30, 5/12 5.15, 5/25/21 4.99 mg, 6/29 4.87 mg, 7/14/21 4.74 mg, 8/5 4.62 mg 8/17 4.5 mg, 8/30 4.38 mg,9/16 4.26 mg,10/9 4.14 mg, 10/23 4.05 mg, 11/6 3.96 mg,11/17 3.87mg.***Jan 22 Liquid was changed/couldn't tolerate***Changed back to pills. Feb 22/3.9 mg, 2/17/22 3.8 mg, 3/23 3.7 mg, 4/7 3.6 mg, 5/10 3.5mg,6/10/22 3.4 mg, 7/4 3.3 mg, 7/25 3.2 mg, 8/20/22 3.1 mg, 9/15 3 mg, 10/8/22 2.9 mg., 12/15 2.8 mg, 1/6/23 2.7 mg, 2/16/23 2.6 mg, 3/9 2.5 mg, 4/4 2.4 mg, 4/29/23 2.3 mg, 5/26 2.2 mg, 6/22/23 2.1 mg, 10/14 2 mg, 11/12 1.9 mg, 11/28 1.8 mg , 12/14/23 1.7, 12/31/23 1.6 mg, 1/20 1.5 mg, 2/6/24 1.4 mg, 2/12 updose 1.5 mg, 3/27/24 1.4 mg. Taking multi-vitamin, vit. D, cholestoff, psyllium husk, and fish oil. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted January 14, 2022 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 14, 2022 cross-over-changing-form-eg-tablet-to-liquid-of-drug-or-changing-brand-of-same-drug * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
Ripley Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Hi @marie123 I just wanted to say well done on your progress so far. It's great to be almost halfway there. I hope this recent bump in the road settles down soon for you. ▪︎2000 - Seroxat (25mg?) 6 months C/T ▪︎2015 - 7.5mg Zopiclone 1 month C/T ▪︎ 2016 - 2018 - Diazapam and Phenergan occasionally for sleep ▪︎2017 June to Oct - Mirtazapine 7.5mg C/T ▪︎2018 April - 2019 Oct Mirtazapine 7.5mg tapered to 1.5mg. ▪︎2019 October - Mirtazapine 1.5mg (Skipped alternate doses on doctor's advice then stopped - Insomnia.) Phenergan ▪︎2020 Jan 6th - Mirtazapine 1.5mg ▪︎2020 Jan 13th - Mirtazapine 7.5mg ▪︎2020 - Feb - May, holding 7.5mg ▪︎2020 1st June, 7.35mg. 27 June, 7.2mg. 7 July, 7.05mg. 18 July, 6.9mg. 28 July, 6.75mg. 27 Aug, 6.6mg. 7 Sep, 6.45mg. 17 Sep, 6.6mg. Crash/Hold ▪︎2022 - 4 Feb, 6.45mg. 24 Mar, 6.3mg. 13 May, 6.15mg. 13 July, 6mg. 10 Aug, 5.85mg. Link to comment
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