Katy91 Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Robert Whittaker has said in the More Harm Than Good conference that gradual tapering may not be something he agrees with. That maybe the brain needs a jolt from withdrawal to make it go back to normal. He said it's like when you go cold turkey off opiates and then he gets interrupted. Does anyone know what the evidence is for this? I've jolted my brain many times and it's always ended in the psych ward. He did say there was no research on this and we need to know more and we need safe places for people to go through withdrawal. Olanzapine 10mg Dec 2007 - Jun 2008 Olanzapine 10mg Sep 2009 - Apr 2010 Olanzapine 10mg Aug 2010 - April 2011 Olanzapine 10mg Jan 2012 - Jun 2012 Lithium 800mg Jun 2012 - Dec 2013 Lorazapam 1mg Nov 2012 - Dec 2013 Diazepam 2mg Nov 2012 - Dec 2013 Olanzapine 20mg Jan 2014 to May 2014 Olanzapine 5mg May 2014 - May 2015 tapering 0.1mg every 7 days 1mg melatonin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus Petunia Posted September 19, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) There is no evidence for this. Robert Whittaker, who is a journalist, not a doctor, was just hypothesizing in response to a question from the audience, he later qualified his opinion by saying more research was needed and that we don't yet know the best way to come of these drugs. Some people are able to stop taking their drug without tapering, most people know someone like this. But there are a significant number who can't. This site and all our members is evidence that careful tapering is needed for a percentage of people. I actually think his comment was rather irresponsible and hope everyone who hears it recognizes that it was just an opinion. Edited September 19, 2015 by Petunia I'm not a doctor. My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one. My Introduction Thread Full Drug and Withdrawal History Brief Summary Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety) Xanax PRN ~ Various other drugs over the years for side effects 2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010 Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal) May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins. Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes Supplements which have helped: Vitamin C, Magnesium, Taurine Bad reactions: Many supplements but mostly fish oil and Vitamin D June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens. Aug 2016 - Oct 2016 Best window ever, felt almost completely recovered Oct 2016 -Symptoms returned - bad days and less bad days. April 2018 - No windows, but significant improvement, it feels like permanent full recovery is close. VIDEO: Where did the chemical imbalance theory come from? VIDEO: How are psychiatric diagnoses made? VIDEO: Why do psychiatric drugs have withdrawal syndromes? VIDEO: Can psychiatric drugs cause long-lasting negative effects? VIDEO: Dr. Claire Weekes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor ang Posted September 19, 2015 Mentor Share Posted September 19, 2015 No a sudden jolt, just sends to to our infamous G Ward, and makes you look and act a total loony. I tapered over 3 months I think, and I still went loony, but not nutty enough to get admitted. In hindsight? Wish I had found this site first..............I would have tapered over two years............... 1992 Dothiepin 375mg 8 weeks, exhaustion/depression. Serotonin syndrome, oh yes! seizures . Fell pregnant, 3rd baby, Nitrous Oxide, 3 weeks mental hospital pp psychosis. zoloft tegretol. Feb 1996 ct tegretol, tapered Zoloft 8 weeks. as (unexpectedly) pregnant. Steven died after 3 days.(Zolft HLHS baby). 98 had run in with Paxil, 2 tablets, 3 weeks taper, survived.2005..menopause? exhausted again. Zyprexa, mad in three days, fallout.... Seroquel, Effexor, tegretol, and 8 years of self destruction. Failed taper.Damn 1/4 valium... nuts again! .fallout, zoloft 100mg seroquol 400mg mirtazapine 45 mg tegretol 400mg. Mid 14 3 month taper. Nov 14 CRASH.Mid 15 .... 75mg seroquel, 3 x 1800mg SJW 2 week window end of December followed by 6 week wave5/2 68mg seroquel, 2.5 x 1800mg SJW::::20/2 61mg seroquel, 2.5 x SJW::: 26/2 54mg seroquel, 2 x SJW::::21/3 43mg seroquel, 1 x 2700SJW :::: 23/4 36mg seroquel 1 x 1800 SJW15/5 33mg seroquel, 1 x SJW:::: 28/5 30mg seroquel, 1 x SJW::::; 18/6 25mg seroquel 1/2 SJW::::, 11/7 21mg seroquel 1/2 SJW::, 26/7 18mg seroquel 1/2 SJW:::, 9/8 12mg seroquel :::, 16/8 6mg seroquel ;;;;, 12/9 0 jump. 23/9 3mg....., 27/9 0mg. Reinstated, 6mg, then 12mg............. LIGHTBULB MOMENT, I have MTHFR 2x mutations. CFS and issues with MOULD in my home. So I left home, and working 150km away during week, loving it. Oh was hard, panic attacks first week, gone now, along with the mould issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nz11 Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 There is no evidence for this. Robert Whittaker, who is a journalist, not a doctor, was just hypothesizing in response to a question from the audience, he later qualified his opinion by saying more research was needed and that we don't yet know the best way to come of these drugs. Some people are able to stop taking their drug without tapering, most people know someone like this. But there are a significant number who can't. This site and all our members is evidence that careful tapering is needed for a percentage of people. I actually think his comment was rather irresponsible and hope everyone who hears it recognizes that it was just an opinion. I totally agree. Talking about a shock to the brain ...boy I certainly got a shock to my brain when i heard him say this. Unfortunately i think Bob got himself dragged into a discussion that is not his area. He should have just not commented on this at all. As Petu says this site is testimony to this being an erroneous idea. Our own experience says otherwise. Those who are the poster taper-ers like songbird brassmonkey mapleleaf aberdeen etc would certainly not agree with this. imo Heard the word 'relapse ' a lot from Bob too. Thats a word that i loathe. Bob is simply quoting research but sadly that research is ignorant. Why on earth cant they call it what it is...ssri drug withdrawal symptoms. Anyone know why Breggin and Moncreif were absent ? Perhaps they werent videoed ? Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nz11 Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Question : Why is Moncreif getting funding to do withdrawal studies ... to learn how to taper people? Hellooooo...they should donate that funding money to sa and then read the 1000 plus documented cases here and take some notes ! Its as simple as that. Or use that funding money to buy the pp site off Laurie and then they will have ten years worth of documented evidence. That was gold that site...why on earth didnt anyone see that. There were definitely some unhappy campers in the audience. How gracious of Gotzsche to end by apologizing to her. Wow. Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stan Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 has Robert Whitaker taken antidepressants or benzos, antipsychotics ? and tapered...i do not read because my english is too bad Laurie from PP has also never tapered and was saying after 3 years you are healed it is as talking about mountaineering and never climb a mountain, only reading studies and books written by specialists of mountaineering but we need him, he has made good work, even if as Healy, Breggin ...all is not perfekt for anxiety 12 years paxil - cold turkey 1,5 month - switch celexa 1 year taper; total 13 years on brain meds 67 years old - 9 years med free in protracted withdrawal rigidity standing and walking, dryness gougerot-szoegren, sleep deteriorate, function as have a lack of nerves, improving have been very little Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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