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I may be stupid, and I apologize if I offend you, but I've been taking Fluoxetine 20mg for several years. Over the last year or so I've had extreme difficulty having a climax, and I'm really tired of it. Fluoxetine must be the culprit as prostate, etc is ok.

I'm very tempted just to quit taking my once a day bedtime dose cold turkey. If I have anxiety trouble I can take a alprozolam (Xanax). All this discussion about a year or two of tapering seems to me to be absurd.

Please educate me.

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Snurd,

Welcome to sa.

You might like to start an intro thread and put in a drug signature.

You mean your doctor didnt warn you about the life altering PSSD ? or the need to taper in a safe way off these brain altering potently addictive chemicals? The hundreds of toxic side effects or the over 58 withdrawal symptoms ?...If not dont worry you are not alone.

 

Let me put it this way if you follow your own advice 'tempted just to quit...CT' because 'tapering seems absurd' then i can tell you, you will have an education alright. imo

 

if your intention is to get out from under the weight of this mind numbing drug then i invite you to start an intro topic and the good folk here will walk you through a taper. 

 

You are certainly not stupid just ..like myself and many others completely oblivious to our plight and the uninformed road we have blindly been pushed down.

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/80-new-to-the-site-please-start-a-topic-in-the-introductions-forum/?p=170

 

If I have anxiety trouble I can take a alprozolam (Xanax).

please be aware addiction to a benzo can be established within a weeks use.

 

Welcome you have come to a place sought by millions but found by few....!

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We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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HI Snurd,

 

Welcome to SA.   This site exists because many people experience significant withdrawal symptoms and have to taper off very slowly.   This is thought to be because the brain has remodelled itself to adapt to the presence of antidepressants and needs time to remodel as they are taken away.   There is some research to support this.  However, drug companies do not invest large amounts of money researching what happens when people take their product long term or when they try and come off.  

 

The most significant evidence base is right here and in patient accounts spread all over the internet.

 

Some people can come off quicker than others and with minimal of trouble, others are not so lucky.  Unfortunately, we cant know in advance which boat you will fall in.  On that basis, I suggest its better to be safe than sorry.   No one ever recommends cold turkey - not even drug companies that have a vested interest in constructing their products as relatively benign.

 

If you want to come off, start slow.  If you have no adverse reaction you can increase your tapering speed.  This is a negotiation with your nervous system, it dictates the rate it can handle.

 

Here is a thread on tapering off fluoxetine - http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/759-tips-for-tapering-off-prozac-fluoxetine/

 

and one on the key principles of tapering - http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/6632-the-rule-of-3kis-keep-it-simple-keep-it-slow-keep-it-stable/

 

Prozac has the benefit of a long half life but that doesnt mean it is without the risk of withdrawal.   Please read some of the material here before going CT

 

Dalsaan

Please note - I am not a medical practitioner and I do not give medical advice. I offer an opinion based on my own experiences, reading and discussion with others.On Effexor for 2 months at the start of 2005. Had extreme insomnia as an adverse reaction. Changed to mirtazapine. Have been trying to get off since mid 2008 with numerous failures including CTs and slow (but not slow enough tapers)Have slow tapered at 10 per cent or less for years. I have liquid mirtazapine made at a compounding chemist.

Was on 1.6 ml as at 19 March 2014.

Dropped to 1.5 ml 7 June 2014. Dropped to 1.4 in about September.

Dropped to 1.3 on 20 December 2014. Dropped to 1.2 in mid Jan 2015.

Dropped to 1 ml in late Feb 2015. I think my old medication had run out of puff so I tried 1ml when I got the new stuff and it seems to be going ok. Sleep has been good over the last week (as of 13/3/15).

Dropped to 1/2 ml 14/11/15 Fatigue still there as are memory and cognition problems. Sleep is patchy but liveable compared to what it has been in the past.

 

DRUG FREE - as at 1st May 2017

 

>My intro post is here - http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/2250-dalsaan

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Snurd you might like to go to the local library and read the book 'anatomy of an epidemic ' by Robert whitaker ...this book is actually educating many doctors .

 

Have a look at ch 14 'The story that was and wasnt told' It talks about prozac and xanax in the same chapter.

 

Also check out the lilly 27 page patient information leaflet on prozac, especially between pages 13 and 14 for info on pssd. I think Lilly has put this in there to try to halt the soaring law suits.

Psychology 101 when given a list of things to remember most people will remember a few from the beginning and a few from the end of the list and not a lot from inbetween.

Perhaps thats why Lilly put this info slam bang in the exact centre of the PIL. Just a thought imo.

Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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Do not stop cold turkey-but if you do, and run into a wall of withdrawal symptoms, don't worry- you can go right back on again and start a slow taper after you stabilize agian-it does work.

Sept 12th 1992-began taking Imipramine (50mgs) for panic attacks.

Stopped Imipramine after 4 months (cold turkey).

7 months later experienced "mysterious" bad flu-like symptoms, although, without upper respiratory problems or fever. Because of this and a day of panic attacks, was put on Prozac (20mgs?) for 2 months and then, when that didn't work-was put back on  Imipramine,  plus Xanax 1 mg (4Xdaily)-October 1993.

March 1999-switched from Imipramine (50mgs) to Celexa.

2008-switched to Pristiq for 3 months, then back to Effexor XR (after bad reaction to the Pristiq).

Sept 1st 2010-Switched from Effexor XR (75mgs) to Effexor Generic (solid form) in preparation for taper.

Nov 15th 2010-Began tapering from 75mgs Effexor Generic.

January 13th 2014-.06mgs

April 17th 2014-      .03mgs

May 11th 2014-       .02mgs

Ended taper October 31st 2014

Oct 4th 2015-11 months post taper and completely back to normal!

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Do not stop cold turkey-but if you do, and run into a wall of withdrawal symptoms, don't worry- you can go right back on again and start a slow taper after you stabilize agian-it does work.

I wouldn't rely on this strategy, some people find that the wall of withdrawal symptoms sensitises the system and makes reinstatement more difficult due to adverse reactions.

 

Dalsaan

Please note - I am not a medical practitioner and I do not give medical advice. I offer an opinion based on my own experiences, reading and discussion with others.On Effexor for 2 months at the start of 2005. Had extreme insomnia as an adverse reaction. Changed to mirtazapine. Have been trying to get off since mid 2008 with numerous failures including CTs and slow (but not slow enough tapers)Have slow tapered at 10 per cent or less for years. I have liquid mirtazapine made at a compounding chemist.

Was on 1.6 ml as at 19 March 2014.

Dropped to 1.5 ml 7 June 2014. Dropped to 1.4 in about September.

Dropped to 1.3 on 20 December 2014. Dropped to 1.2 in mid Jan 2015.

Dropped to 1 ml in late Feb 2015. I think my old medication had run out of puff so I tried 1ml when I got the new stuff and it seems to be going ok. Sleep has been good over the last week (as of 13/3/15).

Dropped to 1/2 ml 14/11/15 Fatigue still there as are memory and cognition problems. Sleep is patchy but liveable compared to what it has been in the past.

 

DRUG FREE - as at 1st May 2017

 

>My intro post is here - http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/2250-dalsaan

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Hello Snurd,

 

Once someone realises they want off an SSRI, It's very common to then have to come to grips with the fact that it is a slow process.  When bad things are happening to us, we want to stop them fast.  The trouble is that with SSRIs that can cause further difficulties - if you go too fast at the start it might end up taking longer overall.  Better to start gentle and see what rate works best for you. 

 

Also worth remembering that you don't have to have completely tapered to see some results.  Things can gradually improve as you gradually taper. 

 

For myself, getting to grips with the time-period involved was the hardest part.  I recommend reading lots and building up your understandings to create for yourself a place where you know why you are doing this - that's where you can find strength.  The facts are very motivating.  And there will be plenty of support for you here. 

 

Go gently,

Karen

2010  Fluoxetine 20mg.  2011  Escitalopram 20mg.  2013 Tapered badly and destabilised CNS.  Effexor 150mg. 

2015 Begin using info at SurvivingAntidepressants.  Cut 10% - bad w/d 2 months, held 1 month. 

Micro-tapering: four weekly 0.4% cuts, hold 4 weeks (struggling with symptoms).

8 month hold.

2017 Micro-tapering: four weekly 1% cuts, hold 4 weeks (symptoms almost non-existent).

2020 Still micro-tapering. Just over 2/3 of the way off effexor. Minimal symptoms, - and sleeping well.
Supplements: Fish oil, vitamin C, iron, oat-straw tea, nettle tea.

2023 December - Now on 5 micro-beads Effexor. Minimal symptoms but much more time needed between drops. Symptoms begin to increase.

2024 April - Updosed to 6 microbeads - immediate increase in symptoms for 4 days. Decreased to 5 microbeads.

 'The possibility of renewal exists so long as life exists.'  Dr Gabor Mate.

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Dalsaan's right, reinstatement doesn't always work. It always worked for me, but some have a lot of trouble with it. Probably best if done no later than a month or two after stopping-But best is to taper slowly to begin with.

Sept 12th 1992-began taking Imipramine (50mgs) for panic attacks.

Stopped Imipramine after 4 months (cold turkey).

7 months later experienced "mysterious" bad flu-like symptoms, although, without upper respiratory problems or fever. Because of this and a day of panic attacks, was put on Prozac (20mgs?) for 2 months and then, when that didn't work-was put back on  Imipramine,  plus Xanax 1 mg (4Xdaily)-October 1993.

March 1999-switched from Imipramine (50mgs) to Celexa.

2008-switched to Pristiq for 3 months, then back to Effexor XR (after bad reaction to the Pristiq).

Sept 1st 2010-Switched from Effexor XR (75mgs) to Effexor Generic (solid form) in preparation for taper.

Nov 15th 2010-Began tapering from 75mgs Effexor Generic.

January 13th 2014-.06mgs

April 17th 2014-      .03mgs

May 11th 2014-       .02mgs

Ended taper October 31st 2014

Oct 4th 2015-11 months post taper and completely back to normal!

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