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Hi JanCarol,

 

Thank you for such an encouraging opening paragraph.  I do like helping people.  I've been a (phone & in writing) customer service advisor (Post Settlement Mortgages) so have experience dealing with a wide range of people and their issues.  I also did an online (Open2Study) Intro to Psychology earlier this year which I found very helpful.  

 

and I'm thrilled that you got to us before it got so bad.

Yep, if you’re thrilled, how do you think I feel?!?!?!  Totally relieved.  Especially now that I’m reading more posts.

to "sneak away from the wolf," as I say it.

That’s a good analogy.  I think analogies are good because it is easier to remember.  A picture in your mind rather than words.  Wolves are fantastic creatures, in the wild, but not in my brain, or anyone else’s for that matter.

any reason is a good reason to hold.

I can understand the desire to drop your dose.  For me, it’s more of an excitement over wanting to get this show on the road after finding out the best way to do it BUT I’ve been reading enough to understand that slow and steady will win this race and I agree that it’s not just internal but external things have to be considered as well.  I really feel for the people who are trying to make that final jump.  They must have so many different emotions.

No amount of CBT will relieve the withdrawal symptoms.

And don’t I know that – now!!!  Fresh contacted me after I reinstated telling me she was relieved and explained that she had been very scared for me.  She was trying, in a gentle way, to help me understand that I was in withdrawal.  I realised at the time how she must have felt, and since reading newbies’ intros, I feel the same.  Having been in that situation, I also understand it can be overwhelming, frustrating, and how hard can be to think straight when you first find this site.  And that first reply after your intro, knowing that someone else is there, is such a relief.

I must add - that CBT will help you with coping skills.

I am very thankful that I have the CBT skills.  Those, plus the knowledge of what is happening, have been very helpful.  Sometimes all I say is one word out loud to myself, eg chill, breathe, you’re okay (2 words), settle, relax, focus.  I suppose they are my key words

and oh - are you anywhere near Hornsby?

No, but I have done tai chi before and have some videos.  Haven’t done it for a while, but is amazingly relaxing and focussing.  Having done it has probably helped me with CBT.

I am really happy with my compounder.

Thanks for the info on your compounder.  Fortunately I’ve found one close by who will do 500 colour coded capsules for $75.  He is aware that I am tapering 10% and allowing for 60 day holding periods.  I was planning on sticking with quartering my 100 mg tablets until I taper from 75 mg but it is very hard to get them to cut evenly and that is not good for me.  The convenience of having the capsules and knowing they are accurate will be worth the cost.  One place quoted me $90 for 175 capsules OUCH!


And - from one cat lady to another ....  She was on antidepressants for awhile, too - and now has post-antidepressant stress and anxiety disorder.

I’ve re-read NZ’s post recently, and yes it is brilliant.  At the time I just skimmed over it because I couldn’t think clearly although I did think it was funny.  I just couldn’t get the info out of it.

My cat is a Burmilla (chinchilla X Burmese) and grey/gray too.  She’s just turned 17 and I called her a Little Old Lady yesterday morning.  She’s doing well.  However, my dog (now 13) was from the pound at 4 months old and has “issues” (scared of men, didn’t like the sound of me walking with jeans on, didn’t like going near awnings – she did get 3 ribbons at dog training though – she’s very intelligent, having cattle dog in her).  She was prescribed Clomicalm (Clomipramine) early on (thankfully – I’ve just looked up what it is!!! - I didn’t increase her dose even though at the time I thought she need to be, but I couldn’t afford it).  After it got too expensive for me, I ended up giving her St Johns Wort.  Earlier this year I stopped giving her that (she had trembling back legs, which I thought may be from it, but it is deterioration in her knees, she’s now on shots for that).  She’s been doing really well off the SJW which I had put down to me being calmer (she does pick up on my stress etc) BUT after what I have learned since being here WOW, I feel sorry for what I have put her through.  However, I have learned from experience that we do what we think is best with the knowledge we have at the time, so I am not beating myself up about it.  We were cohorts, without me knowing it.  Occasionally now I give her valium (try not to but sometimes no option – eg night time when I am tired, or if I’m out for the day and bad storms are forecast) as she doesn’t like storms.  She has a thunder shirt too.  I’ve just realised that she hasn’t been reacting as badly with the recent storms.  Possibly because she’s not on the medication, like DUH!  I’m particularly thankful for having my pets over the last 4 years because there were days when I just wouldn’t have left my bed except if necessary.  My dog lets me know when she wants breakfast and the cat meows outside the bedroom door.  After getting my dog I was hoping to do therapy pets with her but she didn’t have the right temperament.

Welcome!

Thank you.  Better late than never!!! ;)

 

CC
 


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 12 Sept 2020:  Pristiq 0.625 mg (compounded)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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ChessieCat

After a restful day yesterday using my brains, today's been a physical day.  I planned to go out & mow half of the backyard.  When I checked the mower it was half full and I thought (from before the mower was fixed recently) I do the whole back on a tank so I'll start under the clothes hoist and mow until the tank runs out (or until I do).  Well surprise, surprise, I've just finished the whole back.  Not perfectly but pretty good considering.  I didn't use the catcher (I have a mulching attachment) so no lifting required and I even hosed off the mower afterwards.  It took me about an hour but I went at a nice steady pace (instead of my usually vroom vroom gotta get this done!!!).

 

Needless to say I am sitting here sweating at the moment (which isn't unusual, but I've just realised that I wasn't sweating until I finished).  So I'm just waiting to recover a bit before having a shower.

 

I won't be doing anything else physically demanding for the rest of today.  It will be interesting to see how I fare after today's effort.

 

Very pleased with myself!!!

 

CC


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 12 Sept 2020:  Pristiq 0.625 mg (compounded)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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JanCarol

Clomi-calm!  That was the one. 

 

If I were to analyze it in retrospect, I would say that it took her natural fears and amplified them, and made them permanent.  I've thought about a thunder coat but a cat is a different animal to a dog (I'd love to put the dog next door in a thunder coat, as his people leave him out in the storms and he barks his head off in fear), and besides - Piper (that's her name, and she is just "old girl" not quite the Grand Old Lady yet) - doesn't mind storms.  It's that swoosh of jeans (like you said) or a cough or sneeze, or a "wrong thing" (like a piece of clothing on the floor where she doesn't expect to see it).

 

 

 

 Better late than never!!!  ;)

 

While I'm not trying to lose any contests, I am the slowest mod.  It seems it takes me forever to get things read and responded to!  It's that way in real life, too.  If we met for lunch, I would be late - but - that I come at all (I hate leaving the house) means I care about you!

 

Tai Chi!  Jealous!  Probably 4 full pages of my thread are devoted to trying to find a frigging teacher around here.  No luck, either.  Unless I want to kow-tow and apply to a Grandmaster to please "accept me into her school" (when really, I'd like to try a few classes first)

 

You are amazingly productive!  LOL I'm glad to do One Thing A Day (another of my mantras, though I love yours, too)!

 

Take care, and I hope you saw some sun today.


"Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna

 

Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again.

 

My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices.

 

A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia.   CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013.   Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine).     Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 -  Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years  on Lithium).  Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made.


The tedious thread (my intro):  JanCarol ☼ Reboxetine first, then Lithium

The happy thread (my success story):  JanCarol - Undiagnosed  Off all bipolar drugs

My own blog:  https://shamanexplorations.com/shamans-blog/

 

 

I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016!

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ten0275

CC, hi.

thank you for stopping by my thread, and for the kind words as well. i appreciate you taking the time to read some of my posts. my withdrawal process, like so many of ours, has certainly been, um, complex. :wacko:

i had a chance to look at your thread as well, and i like the way you are approaching your withdrawal - that is to say, you radiate a certain positive energy despite the challenges before you - and you are being pragmatic and cautious in your decisions. that really does pay dividends at the end of it all. patience and optimism aren't always the easiest to acquire allies, but they sure do help the cause of healing.

 

pristiq is a tricky one. my sister is currently tapering from it. like you, she is being cautious and doing well. it'll all work out.

thanks also for the belated birthday wishes. it's good to be alive, white hairs on the side of my head and all. ha! :D

hang in there CC and keep up the great work!

dave


1996 - .5mg Ativan as needed, 7.5mg Remeron daily2008 - .5mg Xanax, Ativan discontinued, Remeron continued2012 - .5mg Xanax, .25mg Ativan 3x daily, Remeron continued2/2012 - Jumped from Remeron, continued .5mg Xanax .25mg Ativan 3x daily4/2012 - Began rapid taper of .5mg Xanax .25mg Ativan 3x daily6/2012 - Jumped from Xanax and Ativan, voluntary hospitalization followed7/2012 - 2nd voluntary hospitalization, reinstated Remeron, bumped to 30mg, also given risperidone.8/2012 - discontinued risperidone, tried gabapentin, dicontinued gabapentin, Remeron 30mg continued10/2012 to current - tapered Remeron 10% every 4 to 6 weeks (sometimes more time) using liquid compound12/2014 - 2mg Remeron 1/16/2015 - 1.9mg Remeron 8/1/2015 -1.6mg Remeron - 03/1/2016 - 1.5mg Remeron - 1/2/2017 1.3mg - 5/7/2017 1.2mg - 5/13/2017 - syringe size change - 6/8/2017 - 1.1mg - 7/10/2017 - 1mg - 9/1/2017 - 0.9mg - 10/22/2017 - 0.8mg - 11/22/2017 - 0.7mg - 2/2/2018 - 0.6mg - 3/13/2018 - new compound pharmacy - 5/20/2018 - 0.5mg - 8/31/2018 - 0.4mg - 11/16/2018 - 0.3mg - 12/24/2018 - 0.2mg - 4/1/2019 - 0.1mg - 5/1/2019 - .05mg - 0mg achieved 2019-06-15. 🤞

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Fresh

Hiya CC ,  good to hear you got the compounding sorted.   Pharmacies can be cheeky just like any other

business , so it always pays to shop around.

 

Lovely to hear things are chugging along nicely.

 

:)


1987-1997 pertofran , prothiaden , Prozac 1997-2002 Zoloft 2002-2004 effexor 2004-2010 Lexapro 40mg

2010-2012Cymbalta 120mg

Sept. 2012 -decreased 90mg in 6months. Care taken over by Dr Lucire in March 2013 , decreased last 30mg at 2mg per week over 3 months. July 21 , 2013- last dose of Cymbalta

Protracted withdrawal syndrome kicked in badly Jan.2014 Unrelenting akathisia until May 2014. Voluntary hosp. admission. Cocktail of Seroquel, Ativan and mirtazapine and I was well enough to go home after 14 days. Stopped all hosp. meds in next few months.

July 2014 felt v.depressed - couldn't stop crying. Started pristiq 50mg. Felt improvement within days and continued to improve, so stayed on 50mg for 8 months.

Began taper 28 Feb. 2015. Pristiq 50mg down to 45mg. Had one month of w/d symptoms. Started CES therapy in March. No w/d symptoms down to 30mg.

October 2015 , taking 25mg Pristiq. Capsules compounded with slow-release additive.

March 2016 , 21mg

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ChessieCat

JanCarol - I'm trying to clear the backlog of stuff not done over the last 4 or so months.  Just chipping away at as I can.

 

Ten/Dave - thanks for your comments.  I'm one of those people who doesn't like other people to see my "down/negative side".  I tend to withdraw when I am feeling like that.  However, I think I will need to overcome that a bit and post a little bit of the negative, not so much to whinge, but as a record for me to look back on.  I think that might be helpful if I ever reach a really rough/extended bad patch to remember that I got through it the other time, so I can do it again.

 

Fresh - Yes I'm pleased too.  I appreciate your help with that, it made it so much easier.  I've decided to get them straight away because I've found it is hard to get the tablets to cut evenly, and it will be one less thing to be concerned about.  And I will know that I am getting a consistent dose.

 

Update after yesterday's effort - feeling normal today, meaning I don't feel any different physically today that I would have a couple of years ago.  Just normal little bit of stiffness which is to be expected.  I'm hoping to get the front done today.  But I've just had a thought, not to aim for the entire yard to be done, just do what I can.  I may not be okay to do the lot especially having done the back yesterday and if I go out there with the idea of getting it all done, I will be disappointed that I haven't achieved my goal.  Inch worm technique.

 

Sitting here on the computer isn't getting anything done, so I'm off.  Wishing everyone a good day/night.

 

CC 


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 12 Sept 2020:  Pristiq 0.625 mg (compounded)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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ChessieCat

Whilst I was out today I started to feel a tiny bit stressy and realised that when I am at home it is almost non-existent.

 

NEXT WEEK:  I will not have access to the internet next week so may not be posting during that time.  Just thought I would let you know so you don't think I've "disappeared".

 

CC


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 12 Sept 2020:  Pristiq 0.625 mg (compounded)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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ChessieCat

For the record:  started using my compounded capsules today.

 

50 mg tablet + (10 mg x 2) + 5 mg = 75 mg

 

Even though it's been 2 weeks since my reinstatement, getting my capsules has made me feel like I am doing something.

 

Also taking fish oil & magnesium morning and night; B12, iron & Vit D at lunchtime.

 

In a week, plan to reintroduce 1/2 multivitamin every 2nd day & 1/2 calcium every alternate day.  Want to add Vit E in there somewhere too.


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 12 Sept 2020:  Pristiq 0.625 mg (compounded)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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Update:  Started compounded capsules (50 mg tablet + (10 mg x 2) + 5 mg = 75 mg) yesterday and by the afternoon my arms, back (hip area) and legs feel bad and still like that this morning (no magnesium last night just fish oil).  Can't tell if it's weakness or spasms.  I've taken them again this morning and I'm going off everything else.  Not sure how long this may take to convert but might have to change back to cut 25 mg for a week and try again later.

 

My assumption is that it is the difference in how/when the medication is released.  The capsules (I hope - it was requested) have a slow release additive.

 

Your opinion would be appreciated.  Thanks.  I'll try and log in later tonight.

 

CC


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 12 Sept 2020:  Pristiq 0.625 mg (compounded)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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Fresh

I think you're right CC , it's the difference between slow-release , and the immediate effect of taking tablets

with broken protective coating.

This is temporary , and I think you need to push through it if at all possible.  Remember , it takes 4 days to

get to a steady-state.   You might consider taking a smidge of pristiq dust to see if it relieves the achiness.


1987-1997 pertofran , prothiaden , Prozac 1997-2002 Zoloft 2002-2004 effexor 2004-2010 Lexapro 40mg

2010-2012Cymbalta 120mg

Sept. 2012 -decreased 90mg in 6months. Care taken over by Dr Lucire in March 2013 , decreased last 30mg at 2mg per week over 3 months. July 21 , 2013- last dose of Cymbalta

Protracted withdrawal syndrome kicked in badly Jan.2014 Unrelenting akathisia until May 2014. Voluntary hosp. admission. Cocktail of Seroquel, Ativan and mirtazapine and I was well enough to go home after 14 days. Stopped all hosp. meds in next few months.

July 2014 felt v.depressed - couldn't stop crying. Started pristiq 50mg. Felt improvement within days and continued to improve, so stayed on 50mg for 8 months.

Began taper 28 Feb. 2015. Pristiq 50mg down to 45mg. Had one month of w/d symptoms. Started CES therapy in March. No w/d symptoms down to 30mg.

October 2015 , taking 25mg Pristiq. Capsules compounded with slow-release additive.

March 2016 , 21mg

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ChessieCat

Hi Fresh,

 

Thanks for your response.

 

I've gone back to cutting tablet this morning due to currently helping out my daughter & SIL with my grandson.

 

I've cut out all unnecessary supplements so just bare bones until things are back to normal with my life.  Just realised that I have been feeling better today than the last couple so I may be right.  Also wondered if I overdid the magnesium so none of that at the moment.

 

Very good tip about taking a bit of dust.  It's things like this that are assisting new taperers.  And as other members have said "we are talking about legal drugs!!!"

 

Edit:  Just had a thought.  I could always cut a 50 mg into 4 and take 1/4 with 50 mg and make up the rest with the capsules.

 

QUESTION:  If I do it that way, how long do you think I should do that before going onto 50 mg & all capsules?

 

CC


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 12 Sept 2020:  Pristiq 0.625 mg (compounded)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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Fresh

That's a good idea , taking half tabs. and half caps. should smooth over the change.

Give it at least 4 days , but see how it goes.  You'll be the best judge.  It may get a bit rocky so wait till you can

accommodate that.

Using the "smidge" method can make a huge difference - it did for me.

 

btw , I'm very envious of your coloured capsules . . . mine are so drab   :P   


1987-1997 pertofran , prothiaden , Prozac 1997-2002 Zoloft 2002-2004 effexor 2004-2010 Lexapro 40mg

2010-2012Cymbalta 120mg

Sept. 2012 -decreased 90mg in 6months. Care taken over by Dr Lucire in March 2013 , decreased last 30mg at 2mg per week over 3 months. July 21 , 2013- last dose of Cymbalta

Protracted withdrawal syndrome kicked in badly Jan.2014 Unrelenting akathisia until May 2014. Voluntary hosp. admission. Cocktail of Seroquel, Ativan and mirtazapine and I was well enough to go home after 14 days. Stopped all hosp. meds in next few months.

July 2014 felt v.depressed - couldn't stop crying. Started pristiq 50mg. Felt improvement within days and continued to improve, so stayed on 50mg for 8 months.

Began taper 28 Feb. 2015. Pristiq 50mg down to 45mg. Had one month of w/d symptoms. Started CES therapy in March. No w/d symptoms down to 30mg.

October 2015 , taking 25mg Pristiq. Capsules compounded with slow-release additive.

March 2016 , 21mg

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Survived this week taking care of my grandson (1 y 9 m).  Weakness in my back (waist) area has improved, legs feel much better.  Went for a lovely relaxed walk along the beach yesterday (no way I could have done it on any day prior) and felt okay today.  Last night my lower arms ached and I had to take 2 panadol to get to sleep.  Hasn't been as bad today but I can feel it a bit now.  Yesterday I was lifting grandson in and out of car seat and stroller on several occasions so that's what I think aggravated it.

 

Only taking 75 mg Pristiq, blood pressure tablet and 2 x Vit D.

 

Fairly sure it was the magnesium.  I think it was just coincidence that the worst of it happened on the same day as the capsules.  Also, I can recall that last Friday when I lifted the car bonnet it felt extremely heavy - that was before starting on the compounded capsules.

 

Decided I will still ease into the capsules but not until the end of next week.

 

CC


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 12 Sept 2020:  Pristiq 0.625 mg (compounded)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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Julz82

Hello ChessieCat  :)

 

Thank you for welcoming me over on my intro/blog, I am glad to read you had a good day yesterday and do hope that it stays that way for as long as possible!

 

I also have a 17 year-old cat, a tabby named Twinky. She's a little Princess and all human inhabitants of my Mum's house are her servants LOL. Cats absolutely fascinate me, as drugged as I am, they always make me smile, laugh, feel something.

 

And oh, I also agree 100% with your signature: Knowledge is Power... and we do need it with regards to our situation in psychotropic drugs.

 

Kindest Wishes,

Jula xxx 


2004: Anorexia & Depression -> polydrugged as a result  :wacko:

- Venlafaxine(MR): 75mg

- Escitalopram: 60mg ...
- Diazepam: 10mg bedtime prescribed, no c/o
- Clonazepam: 4mg
2010: New Life in the UK - psychologically much better
GP wants to lower Escitalopram (side effects on heart) -> 2011 to 2014: come down from 60 to 15mg in 5mg steps (I had no idea) - January 2014: after dropping from 20mg to 15mg Esc. plagued with debilitating exhaustion... December 2014: I decide to taper off Benzos... and everything else.
29 May 2017: Drug Free after 13 years!! 
Varied balanced diet, no processed/refined foods. Plenty water. Yoga & Mindfulness.

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UPDATE:  Woke up this morning feeling like I had been punched all over.  Paracetamol seems to have worked a bit.  Not sure of cause but noting here for reference.  Slept in own bed last night after 3 hour drive.  Had slight pins and needles in shoulders after getting home. 


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 12 Sept 2020:  Pristiq 0.625 mg (compounded)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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Sorry you are not feeling well. Impressed at your resolve to figure out what is causing your symptoms, and to record how you feel! Hope things level out for you.


Found this site for real in 2015. Decided to taper slowly.

** I should mention that anytime I haven't been in a wave, I've felt pretty amazing! I only record the waves to look for patterns : ))**

50 mg Zoloft 6/2015, with intermittent fish oil

6/9/15 alternated 50 mg/37.5 mg - doc's idea (she meant well) 6/17 terrible morning anxiety and rumination, flu symptoms, and prickles in legs. 6/18 up to 45 mg liquid Zoloft. 6/26-29 cortisol mornings and bad anxiety. 6/30 started to take mag 100 mg and fish oil regularly with med 7/4 44 mg. 7/8 42.6 mg. 7/16 40 mg. 7/23 39 mg 8/1 32 mg (bad idea).

8/5 fatigue, anxiety, can't sleep, depressed. 8/7 36 mg resolved to be patient and try to keep to THE THREE KIS's. 8/13-15; 8/17- 23 painful physical and mental wave. Started light therapy 20 m in am. 8/25 34 mg, added 80-100 mg liquid mag during day. great window til 8/29 2 day down stretch 9/8 32.8 mg 9/11-14 wave added acupuncture 9/22 31.5 mg teeny wave 10/6 30 mg small grumpy wave 10/19 28.5, same pattern- small wave at day 5. A few tough weeks. Held around 29 until 11/18 when dropped to 28 mg; 11/22 the usual fluey fatigue. 11/30 27 mg 12/14 25.75ish mg "hold til Xmas club" (in my case New Years) Xmas was tough, kept holding: by 1/15, feeling good again. 1/25/16 Mirena IUD out after nearly six years- I think it was affecting my mood and taper- feeling super great! 2/2 down to 24 mg. symptoms much less severe. One day, not too bad wave on 2/8. 2/15 down to 20 mg from 24. A week later, two restless mornings and one morning of brain fog. 3/2 from 20 to 16 mg! Wish me luck.

 

Medicine History:

Currently tapering from 50mg Zoloft. Ten years of SSRI's including Celexa, Prozac and Zoloft, as well as a stretch with Wellbutrin added to the Zoloft. When I started on Zoloft (4 years ago?) I was on 100 but was able to taper down to 50 via 25 mg increments slowly around 2013. Have used light therapy and fish oil intermittently since around 2013. Have tried unsuccessfully to get off the meds since then in what I know now to be too large a taper (for example, jumped from 25 to 12.5 and that did not work). Motivated to do this slowly because that's the only way it will happen.

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Thank you for your thoughts, Orangecat.

 

Julz, Twinky.  What a lovely name for a cat.  I also have a dog and am very thankful for their company and how they give me a purpose and routine.

 

Just had a funny thought.  My teddy bear (the one I cuddle up with sometimes) his name is Beadwell (he was labelled with his name).  Breaking it up Be AD* Well (*anti-depressant).  His partner's name is Branwyn - WIN!!! Yes!!!  Can't think of anything for the Bran bit yet.

 

UPDATE:  Still only taking 75 mg Pristiq, Vit D, iron and blood pressure tablets.  Been achy, cramped muscles and weakness at least Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday and again this morning.

 

I can now understand people questioning "is it the medication or the withdrawal?".

 

Just keep on reminding myself that my brain is healing and hoping that the above won't last much longer.  Thankful for the information I have under my belt.  Definitely helps me cope understanding what is happening.

 

Feeling a bit fuzzy in the head this morning, but could be caused by the 5 days last week and 3 days this week helping with the grandson.  I've rested/slept whenever I could.  Three hour drive home yesterday afternoon and slept well last night.  Feeling a little bit drained and a bit anxious this morning too but recognising it, accepting it and deep breathing to keep under control.  Ears also feel a bit weird, sort of pressure.  In for a hot day and it is already warming up this morning.  It's not even summer!!!

 

Realised how beneficial it is to keep updating here so I can look back on how I am doing.


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 12 Sept 2020:  Pristiq 0.625 mg (compounded)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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When you feel up to it ,  pop into the Australia room (in the Relationships section).

There's currently a class action law suit being organized for people who have experienced

adverse effects from taking or stopping antidepressants.  Details of who to contact are there.

 

Spot on about holding off a decrease until things are calm.  

A few of us are holding off our next drop until after Christmas . . . something to consider.

 

:)

Is the class action law suit only open to people in Australia? Anyone know of any others taking place - N.America or Canada?

 

Thanks,

JC


Dose History: 19 Feb 2014 - Escitalopram 10mg daily June 2015 - Started taper, 5mg every other day July 2015 - 5mg every 2 days August 2015 - 5mg every 3 days September 2015 - 5mg every 4 days Sept 14th - Completed tapering, but at 7 weeks "drug free" I suffered serious WD symptoms as a consequence of "incorrect" tapering. Nov 25 2015 - Re-instated Cipralex @ 2.5mg daily. WD symptoms faded. Held at this dose and experienced "windows and waves". 12 Oct 2017 Reduced dose to 1.25mg. 13 Mar 2018 Reduced dose to 0.625mg (approx.). 16 April 2018 0mg. Windows and waves triggered by stress (IBS/reflux, headaches, sinus issues) Aug 2019 Mirena coil fitted 6 Jan 2020 MAJOR Wave hit 19 months following last dose (protracted WD).  Symptoms listed below Mar 2020 Mirena coil removal.

Therapy: Nov 15th 2016 Re-started therapy Jan 19th 2017 Started CBT Dec 2017 Started listening to Hypnotherapy CD (self-esteem). Nov 2019 Started couples therapy.

Supplements: "Bioglan" Biotic Balance Ultimate Flora 10 billion CFU, live Bacteria, Probiotic, suitable for Vegetarians, with Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Lactobacillus Rhamnosus, Bifidobacterium Longum"Pukka" Vitalise a unique blend of 30 energising botanicals.

Diet: 16 April 2018 Detox cleanse / anti-candida for 90 days. Jan 2020 Started "small plate" diet (i.e child size portions).

Exercise: Stretching, Yoga, Pilates, Spinning, Elliptical/upper body workout, walking.

Medical Test Results: 4 Jan 2017 Homeopathic Treatment starts 24 Feb 2017 Started weight loss program 24 Mar 2017 Naturopathic Treatment + anti-Candida diet started due to suspected Candida Related Complex (CRC). DETOXED for 7 weeks to "re-set" gut. April 2017 "Genova Diagnostics" Comprehensive Stool Analysis NEGATIVE; Full Blood Count (Normal) / Blood Cholesterol: 5.6 (Borderline) / Blood Sugar (Normal) / 28 Jun 2017 FSH 8.2 / 14 Nov 2017 FSH 17.7 Dec 2017 Blood Cholesterol: 3.9 (Normal) / Kidney Function (Normal) / Blood Sugar (Normal). December 2017 "Genova Diagnostics" Food panel allergy (bloodwork) analysis - a few "VERY LOW/VL" allergens; Mar 2018 "Genova Diagnostics" SIBO urine analysis: High Level of Yeast/fungal markers found in small intestine but NO SIBO.  April 2018 Thyroid (Normal) / Full Blood Count (Normal) / FSH (Normal). 16 April 2018 Started anti-Candida diet - 3 month protocol.   25 March 2020 All test results "Normal". CRP" 5 mg/L (normal range to 0-5 mg/L).

Symptoms:  Flu-like symptoms, anxiety, anhedonia, sinus headaches right-side (severe), IBS issues/reflux (severe)**, tinnitus, fatigue, inner tremor, nausea, chills/hot flushes, pounding heart, muscular issues including stiff left hip flexor, intense anger, PSSD (ongoing).  **Histhamine intolerance (suspected).

 

Major Life Events: 

Re-located to UK from Canada: Jan 2016

My father died: 5:05pm, Monday 5 Feb 2018 Last Lexapro dose: 16 April 2018 (its now been over a year since I quit ADs)

Moved house: Friday 23rd February 2018  "Divorced" toxic Mother: Monday 26 March 2018 Starting working again: 19 November 2018

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That one is just for Australians Junglechicken.  Go to the Canada thread in the Relationships section for

local news.

 

Chessie , you're doing great.  

 

"I can now understand people questioning "is it the medication or the withdrawal?"

 

 

And there's a third option . . . is it because I overdid it with the exercise / the kids / going out / entertaining ?

I found ( before I cottoned on to the whole ad issue) , there was always a reason for feeling stressed / anxious / depressed when I looked for it. There's usually something going on in our life that we can blame.

Just thought I'd throw this in . . . sometimes it isn't the medication OR the withdrawal.

 

:blink:


1987-1997 pertofran , prothiaden , Prozac 1997-2002 Zoloft 2002-2004 effexor 2004-2010 Lexapro 40mg

2010-2012Cymbalta 120mg

Sept. 2012 -decreased 90mg in 6months. Care taken over by Dr Lucire in March 2013 , decreased last 30mg at 2mg per week over 3 months. July 21 , 2013- last dose of Cymbalta

Protracted withdrawal syndrome kicked in badly Jan.2014 Unrelenting akathisia until May 2014. Voluntary hosp. admission. Cocktail of Seroquel, Ativan and mirtazapine and I was well enough to go home after 14 days. Stopped all hosp. meds in next few months.

July 2014 felt v.depressed - couldn't stop crying. Started pristiq 50mg. Felt improvement within days and continued to improve, so stayed on 50mg for 8 months.

Began taper 28 Feb. 2015. Pristiq 50mg down to 45mg. Had one month of w/d symptoms. Started CES therapy in March. No w/d symptoms down to 30mg.

October 2015 , taking 25mg Pristiq. Capsules compounded with slow-release additive.

March 2016 , 21mg

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And there's a third option . . . is it because I overdid it with the exercise / the kids / going out / entertaining ?

I found ( before I cottoned on to the whole ad issue) , there was always a reason for feeling stressed / anxious / depressed when I looked for it. There's usually something going on in our life that we can blame.

Just thought I'd throw this in . . . sometimes it isn't the medication OR the withdrawal.

 

:blink:

 

Hi Fresh,

 

I appreciate your comments and agree on the third option.  However, I think in this particular situation it may be a combination of overdoing it + medication or withdrawal.  What I have done over the last week and a half plus the week beforehand planning for the time away has been stressful but I feel that I have handled it well.  I rested whenever I could and slept well each night.  Maybe being in withdrawal raised the bar higher, whereas before it wouldn't have had the effect it is having on me now.  And of course, I'll never know!

 

Starting back on my capsules tomorrow,  will take 50mg + 1/4 of 50 mg + capsules to make up to 75 mg.


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 12 Sept 2020:  Pristiq 0.625 mg (compounded)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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Just reposting this here so I have it as a reminder:

 

I'm going through some yucky stuff at the moment and had forgotten when I felt good.  Another member posted something on someone's topic and it reminded me about it.  The bad stuff seems to blot out the good stuff and we need to try and remember that we are progressing, even though it may not feel like it.

 

I also believe that having a positive attitude helps our brain to heal because negative thoughts/actions/words/situations stress us, which means our brain is busy trying to deal with them, instead of healing.


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 12 Sept 2020:  Pristiq 0.625 mg (compounded)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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UPDATE:  Started on 50 mg tablet + all capsules this morning (instead of 1/4 50mg tablet for 2 days).

 

After feeling so sore for so many days, I decided to play detective this morning.  Realised that I haven't been taking my calcium (possibly at least 6 weeks) which I have been taking for years, and also my Vitamin D (had been off it and then re-started a lower dose).  Took my normal dose of each today.  Hoping I've solve the mystery of my soreness (most noticeable in my arms).


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 12 Sept 2020:  Pristiq 0.625 mg (compounded)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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I hope so too!  Thanks for posting on my introduction Chessie Cat.

 

That's a big drop in the Pristiq though......from 100mg. to 75mg.?????  Why?

 

When in W/D.......something I have learned is........that sometimes the other stuff that I had been taking........needs titration and testing out again as well.  I have to be really careful with my Vit D3 and L-methyl now.......both seem "activating" and sometimes are too much for me.  We become pretty sensitive while our nervous systems attempt to regain balance.

 

p.s.  you Aussie folks rock!!!!!  :)


Started with psycho meds circa 1988 I think 27 or 28 total.

AD's, antpsychotics, antiseizure mood stabilizers. Lithium, lamictal ,benzos, and stimulants. Some med. for narcolepsy once(Provigil,) Gabapentin........probably more.  Ask me?......I probably was on it.  Haphazard W/D's by Dr. recommend or uneducated self.

10/2014- off Lexapro--had been on highest dose 10 mg. then 5 mg. for a couple of years, went from 5 mg. to 3 mg. liquid and then CT in hospital(voluntary).  I got out of the hospital on a combination of low dose adderal salts x1/day and trileptal 150mg. x2/day.

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!

 

3/21/2016---I did some unwise updosing of trileptal/oxcarbazepine with some stressful stuff......doubled the above dose x2 during this last wave but began liquifying again and on approximately 68mg. starting today.  11/12//2016 24 mg. oxcarbazepine  12/9/2016 off oxcarbazepine/trileptal!!!! :) optimistic  2016 December 9- completely off all medications!!!!!

Omega3's,EPA +DHA= 1800 mg/day. Magnesium complex, orally, diluted in a liter of H2O(that I can shake up.....it usually dissolves more completely as the water gets down to room temperature) and/or Epsom salt baths prn.   Vit. C, D3, and E.  B12, melatonin tapered to 1mg., and bioidentical hormones sublingually.  Trace mineral drops.  L-lysine.  L-methylfolate=400 mcg plus daily spinach. Totally ready for a good long window to hit soon and getting better strings of full days and partial days along the way.  Definite improvement overall since I first arrived on the SA survivor ship.  Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016.  None of my posts are intended as medical advice.  Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. manymoretodays

 

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Unfortunately, this Aussie isn't rockin' much at the moment.

 

UPDATE:  Took magnesium and some Staminade (wanted the potassium) late yesterday.  Also started back on fish oil, multivitamin, B12, Vit E today.  The pain was so bad (sore from my shoulder blades to my wrists and legs a bit sore too) thought I'd throw the lot at it.  I know it's not recommended but I figured that it must be something lacking but didn't know what.  Pleased to report that my arms are not as sore as they have been.  Hopefully tomorrow will see more improvement. 


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 12 Sept 2020:  Pristiq 0.625 mg (compounded)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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UPDATE:  Arms feeling much better today.  Not 100% yet but definite improvement.


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 12 Sept 2020:  Pristiq 0.625 mg (compounded)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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That's wonderful.  Yes, stress is so hard on us.  I am truly hoping I can find it.........that way of life where stress just is not anymore.  I so want to relax and enjoy this holiday season...........and it's been hard to.

 

Keep up the good work ChessieCat!  Effexor(a similar medication to Pristiq) is not a happy memory for me.


Started with psycho meds circa 1988 I think 27 or 28 total.

AD's, antpsychotics, antiseizure mood stabilizers. Lithium, lamictal ,benzos, and stimulants. Some med. for narcolepsy once(Provigil,) Gabapentin........probably more.  Ask me?......I probably was on it.  Haphazard W/D's by Dr. recommend or uneducated self.

10/2014- off Lexapro--had been on highest dose 10 mg. then 5 mg. for a couple of years, went from 5 mg. to 3 mg. liquid and then CT in hospital(voluntary).  I got out of the hospital on a combination of low dose adderal salts x1/day and trileptal 150mg. x2/day.

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!

 

3/21/2016---I did some unwise updosing of trileptal/oxcarbazepine with some stressful stuff......doubled the above dose x2 during this last wave but began liquifying again and on approximately 68mg. starting today.  11/12//2016 24 mg. oxcarbazepine  12/9/2016 off oxcarbazepine/trileptal!!!! :) optimistic  2016 December 9- completely off all medications!!!!!

Omega3's,EPA +DHA= 1800 mg/day. Magnesium complex, orally, diluted in a liter of H2O(that I can shake up.....it usually dissolves more completely as the water gets down to room temperature) and/or Epsom salt baths prn.   Vit. C, D3, and E.  B12, melatonin tapered to 1mg., and bioidentical hormones sublingually.  Trace mineral drops.  L-lysine.  L-methylfolate=400 mcg plus daily spinach. Totally ready for a good long window to hit soon and getting better strings of full days and partial days along the way.  Definite improvement overall since I first arrived on the SA survivor ship.  Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016.  None of my posts are intended as medical advice.  Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. manymoretodays

 

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Fresh

Hi CC ,    good to hear the arms are improving.

 

I couldn't follow your post (sorry).  Are you still taking 75mg pristiq , or did you decrease it when you transferred to capsules?


1987-1997 pertofran , prothiaden , Prozac 1997-2002 Zoloft 2002-2004 effexor 2004-2010 Lexapro 40mg

2010-2012Cymbalta 120mg

Sept. 2012 -decreased 90mg in 6months. Care taken over by Dr Lucire in March 2013 , decreased last 30mg at 2mg per week over 3 months. July 21 , 2013- last dose of Cymbalta

Protracted withdrawal syndrome kicked in badly Jan.2014 Unrelenting akathisia until May 2014. Voluntary hosp. admission. Cocktail of Seroquel, Ativan and mirtazapine and I was well enough to go home after 14 days. Stopped all hosp. meds in next few months.

July 2014 felt v.depressed - couldn't stop crying. Started pristiq 50mg. Felt improvement within days and continued to improve, so stayed on 50mg for 8 months.

Began taper 28 Feb. 2015. Pristiq 50mg down to 45mg. Had one month of w/d symptoms. Started CES therapy in March. No w/d symptoms down to 30mg.

October 2015 , taking 25mg Pristiq. Capsules compounded with slow-release additive.

March 2016 , 21mg

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Hi MMT & Fresh,

 

Thanks for stopping by.  Arm pain has definitely improved.  Managed to get some grocery shopping done yesterday so forearms were a little bit sore last night but nothing compared to how they had been.  Early morning here now, and they seem to be okay.

 

Still taking 75mg Pristiq.  No plan to drop until after Christmas Day IF I think my brain is ready.  Even though I am, like everyone else, eager to get off them, after reading many posts here, and understanding how ADs have affected my brain, I've definitely decided that I'm going to do it the best way from now on.  It is a massive lesson in patience.  I'm also wondering (and excited to find out) what I will be like once I'm off and how I will handle things.  I've dealt with a lot of stuff and learned a lot of techniques in the last 5 or so years. 

 

Not becoming a health nut but trying to make sure I have a nutritious diet.

 

I hope everyone here is doing okay.  I'm gob-smacked at how many people are going through the nightmare of ADs.

 

CC


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 12 Sept 2020:  Pristiq 0.625 mg (compounded)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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UPDATE:  Left arm is feeling almost 100%, right forearm is still a bit sore - mousing rsi feeling.

 

Had my script filled today and when I went to pick it up she told me they had given me a generic Pristiq.  It must be fairly recent.  Anyway because of the post here about generics containing different ingredients from the genuine, I asked her to change it for the Pristiq.  I wouldn't have thought twice about it before.

 

Another thing, my employment consultant knows that I am tapering and I have given her this website.  She told me today that she has been telling other people about it, so the word is spreading.


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 12 Sept 2020:  Pristiq 0.625 mg (compounded)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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UPDATE:  Right arm now feeling much better.  Reread tapering Pristiq - from today taking 50mg tablet + 15mg caps morning & 10mg evening.  Lunch 2 scoops "Strength" + banana --> bedtime hives --> 1 x Polaramine


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 12 Sept 2020:  Pristiq 0.625 mg (compounded)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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Hope your taper goes well!

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Hello Chessie,

 

Nice to finally catch up with you in your own thread.  Seems like things are going well for you with slow improvements and feeling more stable.

 

You might have a good reason for it, but I'm just wondering about planning different doses a.m and p.m?  It's only a small difference, but could be another destabilising thing for your CNS.  

 

And also, thanks for your lovely bursts of positivity round this site.

KarenB 


2010  Fluoxetine 20mg.  2011  Escitalopram 20mg.  2013 Tapered badly and destabilised CNS.  Effexor 150mg. 

2015 Begin using info at SurvivingAntidepressants.  Cut 10% - bad w/d 2 months, held 1 month. 

Micro-tapering: four weekly 0.4% cuts, hold 4 weeks (struggling with symptoms).

8 month hold.

2017 Micro-tapering: four weekly 1% cuts, hold 4 weeks (symptoms almost non-existent).

2020 Still micro-tapering. Just over 2/3 of the way off effexor. Minimal symptoms, - and sleeping well.
Supplements: Fish oil, vitamin C, iron, oat-straw tea, nettle tea.

My story of healing:ContinuedHealing

***I am not a doctor; please do your own research and be able to take responsibility for decisions you make.*** 

           'The possibility of renewal exists so long as life exists.'  Dr Gabor Mate.

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Thanks Osk.

 

Hi KarenB, thank you for your comment :):blush:  Yes, you might have a point there.  The reason is that I am taking compounded capsules with slow release additive and saw in the tapering thread:

 

"According to my compounding pharmacy, they can put in a slow-release additive distributing absorption over 8-10 hours. This is not as long as the Pristiq time-release coating, but at least it's something."  and  "You would take two capsules per day, once in the morning, and once in the evening."

 

This made me realise that my dose is stronger in the first 8-10 hours and consequently drops down for the next 16 or 14 hours.  I would think that this would be more confusing to my CNS.

 

Thinking back, I was taking broken Pristiq tablets (dumping) prior to that from 17 November and only switched to capsules on 29 November.  I seemed to be doing okay during that period.  However, having a much better understanding of how it all works, makes me think that this would catch up with me eventually.

 

I'd appreciate your opinion on this.


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 12 Sept 2020:  Pristiq 0.625 mg (compounded)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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UPDATE:  Nearly 5 pm here and my shoulders and arms have started aching.  I took a 10 mg capsule just after 3 pm.  May just be coincidence but decided to go back to taking them all in the morning.


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 12 Sept 2020:  Pristiq 0.625 mg (compounded)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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UPDATE:  Nearly 6 pm and just realised that shoulders and arms are not aching any more.  Wondering now.


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 12 Sept 2020:  Pristiq 0.625 mg (compounded)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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Hey CC ,   the concept of splitting your pristiq dose is only relevant if you're breaking tablets up , because that

affects the absorption rate.

 

There's no need to do that with whole tablets or capsules with time-release additive.

It will be confusing your cns more , as KarenB suggested.  Particularly if you're not dividing the dose evenly . . . 

 

I'd take it once a day and be done with it.  


1987-1997 pertofran , prothiaden , Prozac 1997-2002 Zoloft 2002-2004 effexor 2004-2010 Lexapro 40mg

2010-2012Cymbalta 120mg

Sept. 2012 -decreased 90mg in 6months. Care taken over by Dr Lucire in March 2013 , decreased last 30mg at 2mg per week over 3 months. July 21 , 2013- last dose of Cymbalta

Protracted withdrawal syndrome kicked in badly Jan.2014 Unrelenting akathisia until May 2014. Voluntary hosp. admission. Cocktail of Seroquel, Ativan and mirtazapine and I was well enough to go home after 14 days. Stopped all hosp. meds in next few months.

July 2014 felt v.depressed - couldn't stop crying. Started pristiq 50mg. Felt improvement within days and continued to improve, so stayed on 50mg for 8 months.

Began taper 28 Feb. 2015. Pristiq 50mg down to 45mg. Had one month of w/d symptoms. Started CES therapy in March. No w/d symptoms down to 30mg.

October 2015 , taking 25mg Pristiq. Capsules compounded with slow-release additive.

March 2016 , 21mg

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