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Im hoping some day I will be normal.  I feel so withdrawn from other people and don't enjoy life at all anymore.  I'm not sure I'll ever be normal again as I've heard some people say on this site.  I used to be full of love and had fun and enjoyment out of life.  Now I'm not sure if I even want to live.  I dread the start of each new day when I should be thanking God I have a new day! I've gotten off ad's a couple other times in the last 20 yrs but always gotten back on because of feeling like this.  Now 7mths out I feel I should be better but life still sucks!  It is hurting my faith in God, my faith in other people.  And I hate going to doctors now because they all want me back on meds.  Except my therapist is supportive of me being drug free. If any body here could send me some encouragement that this to shall end, it would be great cause I've read on here some people still 5 yrs out still having the same issues as when they first got off ad's. I'm so afraid I'll give in and go back on the ad's and Id hate that after the horrible withdrawal I had.  

Started on ad's in the mid 90's.  

Amitriptyline , prozac , Wellbutrin, 'zoloft, effexor, trazodone,   remeron, Paxil, cymbalta 

xanax, buspar, lyrica, gabapentin, sam e, 5htp, L tryptophan, There were other ad's but I cant remember them all. 

Ambien, lunesta, cyclobenzaprine,

levothyroxine

Last ad was  Paxil, 60 mg.  I did a 6mt tapor, 

Only meds at this time is the levothyroxine, fish oil, folic acid, and unisom 

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Welcome redangel,

Thank you for posting an introduction and for filling in your signature, that helps us to help you. If you would add the approximate date you stopped Paxil, that would be great.

 

Am I understanding this correctly? You did a 6 month taper off Paxil 7 months ago, after having been on various antidepressants for about 20 years. Now, after 7 months, you are still not feeling well.

 

What symptoms are you having? In general, are they getting worse, better or staying about the same?

 

We have many members here who are tapering off Paxil, and other drugs over the course of several years. It can often be the case that tapers need to be extremely slow in order to avoid withdrawal symptoms from emerging.

 

In your situation, after 7 months of being drug free, I'm not surprised that you are still getting some symptoms. After such a long drug history and a short taper, its going to take a little longer for you to recover, but you will get better. Usually recovery from psyche meds happens in a windows and waves kind of pattern, with improvement being seen over the course of months, rather than days or weeks.

 

See:The Windows and Waves Pattern of Stabilization

 

In some of your posts, you have mentioned that you're considering going back on the meds, but this far out, there's no guarantee they would work for you again. What was the last dose of Paxil you took before stopping?

 

I'd highly recommend reading Anatomy of an Epidemic by Robert Whitaker. Psych meds can cause harmful side effects and long term, they can worsen health, increasing the risk of other illnesses. In my opinion they  should only be used for short times and very cautiously, if at all.

 

The best I can offer by way of advice is to listen to your body and avoid those things that set off symptoms as much as possible. Aside from a high quality fish oil and magnesium, avoid supplements until you are further along in your recovery. (See King of Supplements: Omega 3 Fatty Acids (Fish Oil) and Magnesium, Nature's Calcium Channel Blocker). They've been helpful to many of us.

 

You can use this thread as your ongoing journal to track progress, write about symptoms, ask questions and communicate with the community, add to it whenever you want. Its a good idea to bookmark it or follow it, so its easy to find again. I’m glad you found us, we’re here to support you.

 

Petunia.

I'm not a doctor.  My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one.

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Brief Summary

Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety) Xanax PRN ~ Various other drugs over the years for side effects

2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010

Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal

DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms

Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal)

May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins.

Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes

Supplements which have helped: Vitamin C, Magnesium, Taurine

Bad reactions: Many supplements but mostly fish oil and Vitamin D

June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens.

Aug 2016 - Oct 2016 Best window ever, felt almost completely recovered

Oct 2016 -Symptoms returned - bad days and less bad days.

April 2018 - No windows, but significant improvement, it feels like permanent full recovery is close.

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Thank you Petunia.  I do know I tapered to fast now.  7mths ago I ended with cutting 10 mill into fourths and had been taking the 4th every other day for a month before I quit.  A couple times after I just slivered a piece off and took and couple times.  But for 7mths haven't had any at all.  The worst symptoms have been difficulty sleeping, apathy, and irritability.  Everything gets on my nerves. And before ad's I had nerves of steel! Im also wanting to avoid people and just stay shut up in my apt.  But with still having two teenage grand children that Ive been raising that is not possible.  I was also my Moms only caretaker, she is a hospice patient, and had to put her in a assisted living home because after I quit paxil I couldn't handle taking care of her any more,  But she is close and I do go visit her often. So I do force myself to get out some. As well as every day I walk for about 30 minutes.  Very happy I live in Arizona and not wading through snow.!!!!!Any advice on these crazy emotions, getting angry easy, and all that, I appreciate.  I never even knew about nuro emotions and cortisol spikes till I found this forum!  Thank God I found ya'll cause I was thinking I was totally losing it! 

Started on ad's in the mid 90's.  

Amitriptyline , prozac , Wellbutrin, 'zoloft, effexor, trazodone,   remeron, Paxil, cymbalta 

xanax, buspar, lyrica, gabapentin, sam e, 5htp, L tryptophan, There were other ad's but I cant remember them all. 

Ambien, lunesta, cyclobenzaprine,

levothyroxine

Last ad was  Paxil, 60 mg.  I did a 6mt tapor, 

Only meds at this time is the levothyroxine, fish oil, folic acid, and unisom 

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Ta da!!!!!  I found your intro. today.  :)

2022 May- continuing with limited activity on site, just something I need to do right now

Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988.  In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm.

Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time).

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!  Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to

2016 Dec 16 medication free!!

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Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016.  And.....I quit smoking 11/2021.  Can you say Hallelujah?(took me long enough)💜

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I've read on here some people still 5 yrs out still having the same issues as when they first got off ad's

 

did someone say 5 yrs off.

Well yes i still have issues but they get better with time ...except for pssd that got worse with time. Im hoping it resolves in the next month or two though.

 

Many report improvements in yr 1-2 and more so in yrs 2-3 and a whole heap of improvements in 3-5. So yeah in time it gets better.

Sorry you have to go through this.

I just wanted to say there is a big 'anger' phase to go through to you may not hit that but if you do that too will pass. It is part of the wdl.

Hang in there. This is a long journey.Healing happens if you stay drug free.

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None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

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Hi Redangel - welcome to SA but sorry for the "need" to be here.

 

I agree that the AM cortisol spikes make each day very unbearable. Hopefully they won't last long for you...mine have eased up and I thank God each day when I wake up that I am able to get out of bed and function plus go to work. It may help you to get out of bed as soon as your eyes open and do a bit of exercise...50 jumping jacks or the like...which could possibly help calm things down.

 

Some of your stress may also be occurring due to the responsibilities you have with raising your grandchildren - I know mine was. Try to take time for yourself and allow things to *slip* for awhile...like housework and cooking every night. If they are teens how about giving them more responsibility to do things around the house to help you?

 

Sending healing thoughts your way,

Karen

1999-Wellbutrin for anxiety/depression-CT after less than 1 yr with no prob

2000-2010-AD (can't remember which) a few times for a few months-CT each time with no prob

2012 - Ambien (sleep) and Propanolol (public speaking anxiety)

Jan 2013 - Apr 2014 - Sertraline (25, then 50mg) Ambien after bout with depression

Apr 2014 - Apr 2015 - Sertraline 100mg and Amitriptylene 25mg-CT in May/June. Did notice increased anxiety, moodiness.

Aug/Sept 2015 - Trazodone 50mg (11 days for sleep), Phentermine 37.5mg 11 days), Tramadol 50mg (2 days for kidney stone pain)

Oct 2nd - CT from Trazodone and Phentermine - CRASHED 2 days later. Severe depression, anxiety, constant crying

RI Oct 15th - Citalopram 10mg daily, Vitamin D, Fish Oil Capsule, Magnesium, Simply Sleep at night. Will start weaning 11/15 if stable.

 

 

 

 

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KLA, Ya Im trying to get them to take more responsibility but so far it's been a no go.  My grand daughter is still in high school, her senior year and working part time.  Grand son is 18 and if he dont start doing more he is going to find a diff place to call home.  He does work but still he could pic up his laundry and make his bed, which is in my living room.  And yes, the anger has hit!!!  I go into a rage over stuff that used to never bother me.  Yesterday I ended up in the hospital because of my heart arrythmia.  They  kept me overnight to do test and I got home this am and sink full of dishes and grand sons dirty clothes all over the house.  But I did find out I'm low in potassium so getting a supplement of that might help a lot of things.  

Started on ad's in the mid 90's.  

Amitriptyline , prozac , Wellbutrin, 'zoloft, effexor, trazodone,   remeron, Paxil, cymbalta 

xanax, buspar, lyrica, gabapentin, sam e, 5htp, L tryptophan, There were other ad's but I cant remember them all. 

Ambien, lunesta, cyclobenzaprine,

levothyroxine

Last ad was  Paxil, 60 mg.  I did a 6mt tapor, 

Only meds at this time is the levothyroxine, fish oil, folic acid, and unisom 

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I am doing better for the last week.  I know this is probably a good window but still am thankful for it.  I've actually been able to cry a couple times and crying is not something I've done easily the last few years.  The main emotion Ive felt was anger. I'm still not feeling lots of the good emotions yet but I think they are starting to come back a little bit at a time. Still cannot sleep without help. I feel a little more hopeful that I will recover.  I used to be very smart, have a excellent memory, lots of energy.  I am looking forward to that again. 

Started on ad's in the mid 90's.  

Amitriptyline , prozac , Wellbutrin, 'zoloft, effexor, trazodone,   remeron, Paxil, cymbalta 

xanax, buspar, lyrica, gabapentin, sam e, 5htp, L tryptophan, There were other ad's but I cant remember them all. 

Ambien, lunesta, cyclobenzaprine,

levothyroxine

Last ad was  Paxil, 60 mg.  I did a 6mt tapor, 

Only meds at this time is the levothyroxine, fish oil, folic acid, and unisom 

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Hi Redangel,

 

Glad to hear you're enjoying a window - that's a good sign of healing.  You will gradually find more and more of 'you' coming back.  Have you read the thread about sleep?  You might find some ideas there.

 

KarenB

2010  Fluoxetine 20mg.  2011  Escitalopram 20mg.  2013 Tapered badly and destabilised CNS.  Effexor 150mg. 

2015 Begin using info at SurvivingAntidepressants.  Cut 10% - bad w/d 2 months, held 1 month. 

Micro-tapering: four weekly 0.4% cuts, hold 4 weeks (struggling with symptoms).

8 month hold.

2017 Micro-tapering: four weekly 1% cuts, hold 4 weeks (symptoms almost non-existent).

2020 Still micro-tapering. Just over 2/3 of the way off effexor. Minimal symptoms, - and sleeping well.
Supplements: Fish oil, vitamin C, iron, oat-straw tea, nettle tea.

My story of healing:ContinuedHealing

***I am not a doctor; please do your own research and be able to take responsibility for decisions you make.*** 

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I did read that thread about sleep.  I've had insomnia every since I can remember and nothing seems to help.  i've took every sleep aid on the market, natural and not natural.  I've been trying the magnesium baths with lavender oil in it but so far that only helps me relax somewhat but not fall asleep.  I've blacked out my bedroom, done all the sleep hygiene advice and still will lay awake all night.  Can do that several nights in a row till finally I'll doze a couple hours.  Then im left miserable all day'm because I sleep deprived.  Don't know how people deal with this. I need more sleep then that to be mentally healthy 

Started on ad's in the mid 90's.  

Amitriptyline , prozac , Wellbutrin, 'zoloft, effexor, trazodone,   remeron, Paxil, cymbalta 

xanax, buspar, lyrica, gabapentin, sam e, 5htp, L tryptophan, There were other ad's but I cant remember them all. 

Ambien, lunesta, cyclobenzaprine,

levothyroxine

Last ad was  Paxil, 60 mg.  I did a 6mt tapor, 

Only meds at this time is the levothyroxine, fish oil, folic acid, and unisom 

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Yup, and that doesn't feel good - that 'tried everything' situation.  Frustrating for you.  Because each person's experience of w/d can be so different it's hard to say how long it will take for your sleep situation to heal.  Yes, for some it takes years, but for others it happens more quickly.  So many of us are really just hanging in there, day by day (or night by night), and it's not pleasant.

 

Personally, mine has improved a fair way over the last 6 months of tapering, but can still get worse again when I'm in a wave (i.e. right now...)  

 

The healing will happen, I'm just sorry it's so hard while you are in it and waiting.  You are not alone.

 

KarenB 

2010  Fluoxetine 20mg.  2011  Escitalopram 20mg.  2013 Tapered badly and destabilised CNS.  Effexor 150mg. 

2015 Begin using info at SurvivingAntidepressants.  Cut 10% - bad w/d 2 months, held 1 month. 

Micro-tapering: four weekly 0.4% cuts, hold 4 weeks (struggling with symptoms).

8 month hold.

2017 Micro-tapering: four weekly 1% cuts, hold 4 weeks (symptoms almost non-existent).

2020 Still micro-tapering. Just over 2/3 of the way off effexor. Minimal symptoms, - and sleeping well.
Supplements: Fish oil, vitamin C, iron, oat-straw tea, nettle tea.

My story of healing:ContinuedHealing

***I am not a doctor; please do your own research and be able to take responsibility for decisions you make.*** 

           'The possibility of renewal exists so long as life exists.'  Dr Gabor Mate.

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Hi redangel, 

 

I'm glad you found this place!  I am so glad that you are in a sort of window :-)  I have a friend who is on here who is in her 18th month of withdrawal after a fast taper off of Lexapro, and when I first met her at month 12 she was still in the grip of fear, badly - lots of pain and anxiety, hypochondria, insomnia.  She had been housebound early on in withdrawal.  All of October, she was in such a great window, we thought it might be over!  No fear, sleeping 8 hours, etc.  But, then another wave came, not so bad, though.  So, at 7 months and feeling a little better, maybe yours will go faster!

 

I have found Emotional Freedom Techniques, EFT, "tapping," to be helpful when I have insomnia.  You can google it.  I state "even though I can't sleep, I deeply and completely love and accept myself."  The reminder phrase is "can't sleep" as I tap the acupressure points. Usually takes a few rounds, but by the third it's like counting sheep and I doze off.  Worth a try along with everything else.  

 

I think it is key to stop the ruminating that goes on in insomnia, and maybe the tapping is a way of doing that.  Also, mindfulness meditation, where you focus on body parts, working your way over your body ie. right big toe, ball of right foot, right heel, right calf, behind right knee, etc.

 

Just know that you are not alone, and do whatever you can to interrupt troubling thoughts such as "I can't take it if I'm going to be like this forever."  Literally, you must take one day at a time, one moment at a time.  At this moment, I'm ok - I can handle this.  

 

SG

Started ADs back around 1995 after bad break-up, starting with Prozac.  Switched to Wellbutrin, and then to Effexor in 2002
Effexor XR 2002-2014 up to 225 mg at one point, down to 37.5 mg towards end but back up to 75 mg in 2014; now realize I had W/D as I dropped down, memory very poor about history.  Extreme emotions, poor concentration as I stepped back down, didn't connect the dots!
Summer 2014 reduced to 0 very quickly, was sick of anhedonia/sexual dysfunction due to meds, depression never controlled if not worse. Didn't recognize WD since symptoms built slowly (thought I had ADD! and menopausal on top of it), starting with severe sweats, very bad cog-fog and memory issues, culminating in weight loss, severe anxiety and depression, panic, severe apathy and insomnia by eight months off.  Saw p-doc who put me on Remeron, increased from 7.5 mg/day to 37.5 mg by May 22, 2015; still doing very badly though able to sleep.

June 1. 2015 Reinstated Effexor XR 37.5 mg, Remeron dropped to 30 mg PM. Immediate relief of symptoms, like nothing had ever happened!  Joined SA and began on advice of friend who recognized it was WD all along! Began tapering in July 2015.

Been tapering both meds ever since, focusing on one more than the other or doing no more than 5% of each per month.

12 mg Effexor and 5.8 mg Remeron (mirtazapine SolTabs to make a solution with OraPlus) as of 5/4/2017 

Update 3/14/18: 2.9 mg Remeron and 6 mg Effexor; 6/10/18:  2.6 mg Remeron and 4.9 mg Effexor

 

My intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/9313-squirrellygirl-effexor-withdrawal-etc/page-2#entry196679

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Welcome, redangel.

 

Have you tried acupuncture? You may also wish to take up meditation. These can be very helpful for relaxation.

 

How often are you taking Unisom?

 

Have you had your thyroid medications adjusted recently? Going off drugs can make a difference in thyroid status.

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I take unisom every other night.  The alternate nights I take vistaril.   And I cannot afford acupuncture.  There are some meditations on the quiet mind cafe that I do at night.  They help.  And  I get my thyroid levels tested every 3 mths. Thanks everyone for your replies and advise.  And tonight I will try the eft.  

Started on ad's in the mid 90's.  

Amitriptyline , prozac , Wellbutrin, 'zoloft, effexor, trazodone,   remeron, Paxil, cymbalta 

xanax, buspar, lyrica, gabapentin, sam e, 5htp, L tryptophan, There were other ad's but I cant remember them all. 

Ambien, lunesta, cyclobenzaprine,

levothyroxine

Last ad was  Paxil, 60 mg.  I did a 6mt tapor, 

Only meds at this time is the levothyroxine, fish oil, folic acid, and unisom 

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Ask and ye shall receive Redangel.  Here is a youtube video by a guy who specializes in acupressure.  For those who want the benefits of acupuncture but can't find or afford someone, this is definitely worth a shot.  I picked out the one on insomnia for you, but he has numerous on many other issues such as pain, etc.

 

Best,

 

Andy

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1w5h0GGPpE

Sertraline 50mg and Clonazapam .375mg from 2000 -- symptoms of dizziness Spring 2012

increased to .5 Clonazapam and 100mg Sertraline -- no improvement

Benzo microtaper from November 2012 to November 2014 (followed benzo sites "taper benzo first")

Started Sertraline taper in December 2014 cut by 25mg to 75mg; 62.5mg 1/1/15 and 50mg on 2/1/15

Held at 50mg through April 5 to use liquid 
Reduced dosage in 10% or less drops from 50mg to 25mg -- at single tablet of 25mg on 10/5/15

Transitioned to all liquid for accuracy while tapering -- Horrible insomnia -- back to 25mg liquid and held until October 1, 2016

10/16 -- 11/18 tapered very slowly to 10.6mg.  No real improvement and never really stable so updosed to 12.5mg (1/2 a pill) for convenience and long hold.

After 8+ months of holding with no noticeable improvement decided to add .4ml of liquid Prozac (about 1.5mg) to see if that improves the situation

Supplements, Magnesium, D3, Omega 3, curcumin, Valerian, 81mg Aspirin, L-Theanine, Vit. C,

 

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I just watched this and will for sure try it tonight. Thanks.  Ya'll are great!  Been having a bad day but am hanging on because tomorrow might be a good day!

Started on ad's in the mid 90's.  

Amitriptyline , prozac , Wellbutrin, 'zoloft, effexor, trazodone,   remeron, Paxil, cymbalta 

xanax, buspar, lyrica, gabapentin, sam e, 5htp, L tryptophan, There were other ad's but I cant remember them all. 

Ambien, lunesta, cyclobenzaprine,

levothyroxine

Last ad was  Paxil, 60 mg.  I did a 6mt tapor, 

Only meds at this time is the levothyroxine, fish oil, folic acid, and unisom 

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And does Ashwaganda, help with sleep? 

Started on ad's in the mid 90's.  

Amitriptyline , prozac , Wellbutrin, 'zoloft, effexor, trazodone,   remeron, Paxil, cymbalta 

xanax, buspar, lyrica, gabapentin, sam e, 5htp, L tryptophan, There were other ad's but I cant remember them all. 

Ambien, lunesta, cyclobenzaprine,

levothyroxine

Last ad was  Paxil, 60 mg.  I did a 6mt tapor, 

Only meds at this time is the levothyroxine, fish oil, folic acid, and unisom 

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Woke up having another bad day.  Just woke up feeling anxious and wishing I could stay in bed and sleep all day.  Just know that I cant cause once I wake up I can never go back to sleep. Guess just going through a bad window this time.

Started on ad's in the mid 90's.  

Amitriptyline , prozac , Wellbutrin, 'zoloft, effexor, trazodone,   remeron, Paxil, cymbalta 

xanax, buspar, lyrica, gabapentin, sam e, 5htp, L tryptophan, There were other ad's but I cant remember them all. 

Ambien, lunesta, cyclobenzaprine,

levothyroxine

Last ad was  Paxil, 60 mg.  I did a 6mt tapor, 

Only meds at this time is the levothyroxine, fish oil, folic acid, and unisom 

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anxiety is very bad.  Need to go to the store but don't feel well enough.  I forgot to put in my signature that I take a beta blocker for heart arrhythmia.  The heart doctor said if I don't take it  my heart can be permanently damaged.  Could this be making symptoms worse?  I take 25 mg metoprolol er 2 times a day  . Any ideas?  Or what I can take in its place that doesn't cause problems?  

Started on ad's in the mid 90's.  

Amitriptyline , prozac , Wellbutrin, 'zoloft, effexor, trazodone,   remeron, Paxil, cymbalta 

xanax, buspar, lyrica, gabapentin, sam e, 5htp, L tryptophan, There were other ad's but I cant remember them all. 

Ambien, lunesta, cyclobenzaprine,

levothyroxine

Last ad was  Paxil, 60 mg.  I did a 6mt tapor, 

Only meds at this time is the levothyroxine, fish oil, folic acid, and unisom 

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And does Ashwaganda, help with sleep? 

 

Ashwaganda is an adaptogen which helps relieve stress when you are stressing and give you energy when you are tired.  It isn't necessarily a sleep aid but it might help you relax.  Melatonin is a more frequent option.

 

Here is a link on Ashwaganda:

 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4713-ashwagandha-herb-for-anxiety-stress-and-toxic-overload/?hl=ashwaganda#entry58992

 

Best,

 

Andy

Sertraline 50mg and Clonazapam .375mg from 2000 -- symptoms of dizziness Spring 2012

increased to .5 Clonazapam and 100mg Sertraline -- no improvement

Benzo microtaper from November 2012 to November 2014 (followed benzo sites "taper benzo first")

Started Sertraline taper in December 2014 cut by 25mg to 75mg; 62.5mg 1/1/15 and 50mg on 2/1/15

Held at 50mg through April 5 to use liquid 
Reduced dosage in 10% or less drops from 50mg to 25mg -- at single tablet of 25mg on 10/5/15

Transitioned to all liquid for accuracy while tapering -- Horrible insomnia -- back to 25mg liquid and held until October 1, 2016

10/16 -- 11/18 tapered very slowly to 10.6mg.  No real improvement and never really stable so updosed to 12.5mg (1/2 a pill) for convenience and long hold.

After 8+ months of holding with no noticeable improvement decided to add .4ml of liquid Prozac (about 1.5mg) to see if that improves the situation

Supplements, Magnesium, D3, Omega 3, curcumin, Valerian, 81mg Aspirin, L-Theanine, Vit. C,

 

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anxiety is very bad.  Need to go to the store but don't feel well enough.  I forgot to put in my signature that I take a beta blocker for heart arrhythmia.  The heart doctor said if I don't take it  my heart can be permanently damaged.  Could this be making symptoms worse?  I take 25 mg metoprolol er 2 times a day  . Any ideas?  Or what I can take in its place that doesn't cause problems?  

 

Sorry you are having a difficult day.  Have you tried simple things like lavender oil, chamomile tea, breathing and meditation?  Those can help you relax and get out the anxiety zone.

 

Metoprolol is frequently used as a calming agent.  While it interacts with Paxil as follows:

 

Using metoprolol together with PARoxetine may increase the effects of metoprolol. Contact your doctor if youicon1.png experience uneven heartbeats, shortness of breath, bluish-colored fingernails, dizziness, weakness, fainting, or seizure (convulsions). If your doctor does prescribe these medicationsicon1.png together, you may need a dose adjustment or special test to safely use both medications. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor.

 

That should not be an issue since you are off the Paxil.  Is it possible that it will cause a paradoxical effect?  Sure.  We never know with our CNS compromised in withdrawal, but it would seem unlikely.  More likely is that you are simply having the day to day ups and downs that come with the process of going off Paxil.

 

Without knowing what kind of arrhythmia you have it is hard to assess the statement that you could get heart damage if you don't take it (not that I'm a cardiologist in any event).  You should call your cardio and discuss is if you want to consider a switch in meds.  In my view not likely that is the issue.

 

Best,

 

Andy

Sertraline 50mg and Clonazapam .375mg from 2000 -- symptoms of dizziness Spring 2012

increased to .5 Clonazapam and 100mg Sertraline -- no improvement

Benzo microtaper from November 2012 to November 2014 (followed benzo sites "taper benzo first")

Started Sertraline taper in December 2014 cut by 25mg to 75mg; 62.5mg 1/1/15 and 50mg on 2/1/15

Held at 50mg through April 5 to use liquid 
Reduced dosage in 10% or less drops from 50mg to 25mg -- at single tablet of 25mg on 10/5/15

Transitioned to all liquid for accuracy while tapering -- Horrible insomnia -- back to 25mg liquid and held until October 1, 2016

10/16 -- 11/18 tapered very slowly to 10.6mg.  No real improvement and never really stable so updosed to 12.5mg (1/2 a pill) for convenience and long hold.

After 8+ months of holding with no noticeable improvement decided to add .4ml of liquid Prozac (about 1.5mg) to see if that improves the situation

Supplements, Magnesium, D3, Omega 3, curcumin, Valerian, 81mg Aspirin, L-Theanine, Vit. C,

 

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Thanks for the feedback.  Im on the med for general heart arrhythmia and heart rates, that showed on the halter when up to 180 beats a minute sometimes. I always have low blood pressure so I have to be careful not let it get to low.  

Started on ad's in the mid 90's.  

Amitriptyline , prozac , Wellbutrin, 'zoloft, effexor, trazodone,   remeron, Paxil, cymbalta 

xanax, buspar, lyrica, gabapentin, sam e, 5htp, L tryptophan, There were other ad's but I cant remember them all. 

Ambien, lunesta, cyclobenzaprine,

levothyroxine

Last ad was  Paxil, 60 mg.  I did a 6mt tapor, 

Only meds at this time is the levothyroxine, fish oil, folic acid, and unisom 

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And I did just drink a cup of sleepy time tea and doesn't seem to make a difference.  I maybe should try a bath with epsom salt and lavender oil.  Might help

Started on ad's in the mid 90's.  

Amitriptyline , prozac , Wellbutrin, 'zoloft, effexor, trazodone,   remeron, Paxil, cymbalta 

xanax, buspar, lyrica, gabapentin, sam e, 5htp, L tryptophan, There were other ad's but I cant remember them all. 

Ambien, lunesta, cyclobenzaprine,

levothyroxine

Last ad was  Paxil, 60 mg.  I did a 6mt tapor, 

Only meds at this time is the levothyroxine, fish oil, folic acid, and unisom 

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Nope, didn't help

Started on ad's in the mid 90's.  

Amitriptyline , prozac , Wellbutrin, 'zoloft, effexor, trazodone,   remeron, Paxil, cymbalta 

xanax, buspar, lyrica, gabapentin, sam e, 5htp, L tryptophan, There were other ad's but I cant remember them all. 

Ambien, lunesta, cyclobenzaprine,

levothyroxine

Last ad was  Paxil, 60 mg.  I did a 6mt tapor, 

Only meds at this time is the levothyroxine, fish oil, folic acid, and unisom 

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argh I was there with you last night in the land of Sleeplessness. I hope your day offers a chance to rest xxx

 

Drug history

  • 20mg paxil in 2001 - 4 months use  
  • 20mg paxil in 2003 - 2 months use 
  • 20mg paxil in 2008 - 8 years continuous

Withdrawal history:

  • March 2014 - disastrous alternate day taper
  • Jan 2015 - 15mg to 10mg. Disaster
  • Sept 2015 -  10mg to 5mg. Disaster. Reinstated to 6mg. Relief
  • Oct 2015 - started slow 10% taper 
  • Oct 2016 - at 4mg- stop taking paxil (not recommended)

 

I'm not a medical professional. Seek advice from a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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This stuff sucks huh?

Started on ad's in the mid 90's.  

Amitriptyline , prozac , Wellbutrin, 'zoloft, effexor, trazodone,   remeron, Paxil, cymbalta 

xanax, buspar, lyrica, gabapentin, sam e, 5htp, L tryptophan, There were other ad's but I cant remember them all. 

Ambien, lunesta, cyclobenzaprine,

levothyroxine

Last ad was  Paxil, 60 mg.  I did a 6mt tapor, 

Only meds at this time is the levothyroxine, fish oil, folic acid, and unisom 

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For some reason I cant rest.  To restless for some reason

Started on ad's in the mid 90's.  

Amitriptyline , prozac , Wellbutrin, 'zoloft, effexor, trazodone,   remeron, Paxil, cymbalta 

xanax, buspar, lyrica, gabapentin, sam e, 5htp, L tryptophan, There were other ad's but I cant remember them all. 

Ambien, lunesta, cyclobenzaprine,

levothyroxine

Last ad was  Paxil, 60 mg.  I did a 6mt tapor, 

Only meds at this time is the levothyroxine, fish oil, folic acid, and unisom 

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I have found it hard to take naps when feeling so tired during the day.   A friend who is on here told me that seems to be a common problem in WD, the inability to nap.  

 

I do just hunker in and distract myself with TV shows on those anxiety days, but some can't do that.  Just keep reminding yourself that this is all a sign of healing!

 

SG

Started ADs back around 1995 after bad break-up, starting with Prozac.  Switched to Wellbutrin, and then to Effexor in 2002
Effexor XR 2002-2014 up to 225 mg at one point, down to 37.5 mg towards end but back up to 75 mg in 2014; now realize I had W/D as I dropped down, memory very poor about history.  Extreme emotions, poor concentration as I stepped back down, didn't connect the dots!
Summer 2014 reduced to 0 very quickly, was sick of anhedonia/sexual dysfunction due to meds, depression never controlled if not worse. Didn't recognize WD since symptoms built slowly (thought I had ADD! and menopausal on top of it), starting with severe sweats, very bad cog-fog and memory issues, culminating in weight loss, severe anxiety and depression, panic, severe apathy and insomnia by eight months off.  Saw p-doc who put me on Remeron, increased from 7.5 mg/day to 37.5 mg by May 22, 2015; still doing very badly though able to sleep.

June 1. 2015 Reinstated Effexor XR 37.5 mg, Remeron dropped to 30 mg PM. Immediate relief of symptoms, like nothing had ever happened!  Joined SA and began on advice of friend who recognized it was WD all along! Began tapering in July 2015.

Been tapering both meds ever since, focusing on one more than the other or doing no more than 5% of each per month.

12 mg Effexor and 5.8 mg Remeron (mirtazapine SolTabs to make a solution with OraPlus) as of 5/4/2017 

Update 3/14/18: 2.9 mg Remeron and 6 mg Effexor; 6/10/18:  2.6 mg Remeron and 4.9 mg Effexor

 

My intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/9313-squirrellygirl-effexor-withdrawal-etc/page-2#entry196679

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Thanks for the feedback.  Im on the med for general heart arrhythmia and heart rates, that showed on the halter when up to 180 beats a minute sometimes. I always have low blood pressure so I have to be careful not let it get to low.  

 

That's a little confusing, redangel.  Lopressor (metoprolol) is usually used to treat HIGH blood pressure and has the effect of lowering blood pressure.  If your pressure being too low is an issue that seems to be an odd choice?

 

Perhaps a further discussion with the cardio makes sense?

 

Best,

 

Andy

 

 

Sertraline 50mg and Clonazapam .375mg from 2000 -- symptoms of dizziness Spring 2012

increased to .5 Clonazapam and 100mg Sertraline -- no improvement

Benzo microtaper from November 2012 to November 2014 (followed benzo sites "taper benzo first")

Started Sertraline taper in December 2014 cut by 25mg to 75mg; 62.5mg 1/1/15 and 50mg on 2/1/15

Held at 50mg through April 5 to use liquid 
Reduced dosage in 10% or less drops from 50mg to 25mg -- at single tablet of 25mg on 10/5/15

Transitioned to all liquid for accuracy while tapering -- Horrible insomnia -- back to 25mg liquid and held until October 1, 2016

10/16 -- 11/18 tapered very slowly to 10.6mg.  No real improvement and never really stable so updosed to 12.5mg (1/2 a pill) for convenience and long hold.

After 8+ months of holding with no noticeable improvement decided to add .4ml of liquid Prozac (about 1.5mg) to see if that improves the situation

Supplements, Magnesium, D3, Omega 3, curcumin, Valerian, 81mg Aspirin, L-Theanine, Vit. C,

 

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I did apace.  He said that beta blockers were used for irregular heart beats also.  I have to drink lots of electrolytes to help keep my blood pressure  up somewhat.   I know, it sounded weird to me also.  And squirrellygirl,thats just what Ive been doing, watching Bones re runs!  Im supposed to be taking my mom christmas shopping as well as finishing the things Im crocheting for my sons for christmas but just cannot concentrate enough. My Mom doesn't have the strength to do anything so I have to push her in her wheel chair for her to go anyplace and I just cant today. Sometimes I get so mad at myself for even being on those meds to start with!  

Started on ad's in the mid 90's.  

Amitriptyline , prozac , Wellbutrin, 'zoloft, effexor, trazodone,   remeron, Paxil, cymbalta 

xanax, buspar, lyrica, gabapentin, sam e, 5htp, L tryptophan, There were other ad's but I cant remember them all. 

Ambien, lunesta, cyclobenzaprine,

levothyroxine

Last ad was  Paxil, 60 mg.  I did a 6mt tapor, 

Only meds at this time is the levothyroxine, fish oil, folic acid, and unisom 

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Whats with eye floaters?  I just thought I was being attacked by gnats! 

Started on ad's in the mid 90's.  

Amitriptyline , prozac , Wellbutrin, 'zoloft, effexor, trazodone,   remeron, Paxil, cymbalta 

xanax, buspar, lyrica, gabapentin, sam e, 5htp, L tryptophan, There were other ad's but I cant remember them all. 

Ambien, lunesta, cyclobenzaprine,

levothyroxine

Last ad was  Paxil, 60 mg.  I did a 6mt tapor, 

Only meds at this time is the levothyroxine, fish oil, folic acid, and unisom 

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Yup. Very common.

 

Search "Floaters" in "Symptoms". You are not alone. The overwhelming rmajority of sufferers see them resolve.

 

Andy

Sertraline 50mg and Clonazapam .375mg from 2000 -- symptoms of dizziness Spring 2012

increased to .5 Clonazapam and 100mg Sertraline -- no improvement

Benzo microtaper from November 2012 to November 2014 (followed benzo sites "taper benzo first")

Started Sertraline taper in December 2014 cut by 25mg to 75mg; 62.5mg 1/1/15 and 50mg on 2/1/15

Held at 50mg through April 5 to use liquid 
Reduced dosage in 10% or less drops from 50mg to 25mg -- at single tablet of 25mg on 10/5/15

Transitioned to all liquid for accuracy while tapering -- Horrible insomnia -- back to 25mg liquid and held until October 1, 2016

10/16 -- 11/18 tapered very slowly to 10.6mg.  No real improvement and never really stable so updosed to 12.5mg (1/2 a pill) for convenience and long hold.

After 8+ months of holding with no noticeable improvement decided to add .4ml of liquid Prozac (about 1.5mg) to see if that improves the situation

Supplements, Magnesium, D3, Omega 3, curcumin, Valerian, 81mg Aspirin, L-Theanine, Vit. C,

 

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I need some advice please.  two weeks ago my endocrinologist did a test for my pituitary gland.  Today I got the results and the test show I have very low human growth hormone.  So after they get approval  from my insurance and do a mri to c if there is a tumor on it I am supposed to take a shot every day of the growth hormone.    My fear is this, that it will be to activating for me like most supplements are now.  I know that it will help the depression, anxiety, sleep and I should have tons more energy.  But im scared any way because Im not trusting docs any more

Started on ad's in the mid 90's.  

Amitriptyline , prozac , Wellbutrin, 'zoloft, effexor, trazodone,   remeron, Paxil, cymbalta 

xanax, buspar, lyrica, gabapentin, sam e, 5htp, L tryptophan, There were other ad's but I cant remember them all. 

Ambien, lunesta, cyclobenzaprine,

levothyroxine

Last ad was  Paxil, 60 mg.  I did a 6mt tapor, 

Only meds at this time is the levothyroxine, fish oil, folic acid, and unisom 

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Redangel,

 

This is a difficult one for us to answer on this board.  Is it possible the Growth Hormone injections would be activating in withdrawal?  Yes -- anything can be activating to a sensitized central nervous system.  We know about the benefits for most of Omega 3s and Magnesium but even those can have a paradoxical effect for some.  So, there is no way I can tell you that you definitely won't  react to the injections. 

 

However, I/we are not doctors and can't determine how important the receiving of injections will be in light of a tumor (should there be one).  If it is critical and potentially life-saving or altering to have the treatment, I would not feel comfortable telling you not to get the treatment.  If it is "optional" and you might feel better or you might feel worse, I would say that would be your call and whether the chance of improvement outweighed the fear of feeling worse (the same decision we all face with any supplemental medicine). 

 

You need to have a very complete discussion with your doctor to understand all the ins and outs of this and, if you still don't feel comfortable, seek a second opinion.

 

Hope that helps some, Red.

 

Andy

Sertraline 50mg and Clonazapam .375mg from 2000 -- symptoms of dizziness Spring 2012

increased to .5 Clonazapam and 100mg Sertraline -- no improvement

Benzo microtaper from November 2012 to November 2014 (followed benzo sites "taper benzo first")

Started Sertraline taper in December 2014 cut by 25mg to 75mg; 62.5mg 1/1/15 and 50mg on 2/1/15

Held at 50mg through April 5 to use liquid 
Reduced dosage in 10% or less drops from 50mg to 25mg -- at single tablet of 25mg on 10/5/15

Transitioned to all liquid for accuracy while tapering -- Horrible insomnia -- back to 25mg liquid and held until October 1, 2016

10/16 -- 11/18 tapered very slowly to 10.6mg.  No real improvement and never really stable so updosed to 12.5mg (1/2 a pill) for convenience and long hold.

After 8+ months of holding with no noticeable improvement decided to add .4ml of liquid Prozac (about 1.5mg) to see if that improves the situation

Supplements, Magnesium, D3, Omega 3, curcumin, Valerian, 81mg Aspirin, L-Theanine, Vit. C,

 

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Thanks Andy.  I know my doc thinks i really need it.  My hormone levels are supposed to be a 5. something and are only 1.  She says this is probably why I had depression to start with and why I have very bad chronic fatigue, bad memory problems and a host of other symptoms.  But we already know how docs will sometimes get us on meds we can actually to without because they get kick backs from the pharms.  Ive also been researching the possible side effects of the growth hormone treatments and they can cause some of the stuff they are supposed to cure. Plus having to give myself a shot every day is just plain scary for me. 

Started on ad's in the mid 90's.  

Amitriptyline , prozac , Wellbutrin, 'zoloft, effexor, trazodone,   remeron, Paxil, cymbalta 

xanax, buspar, lyrica, gabapentin, sam e, 5htp, L tryptophan, There were other ad's but I cant remember them all. 

Ambien, lunesta, cyclobenzaprine,

levothyroxine

Last ad was  Paxil, 60 mg.  I did a 6mt tapor, 

Only meds at this time is the levothyroxine, fish oil, folic acid, and unisom 

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Thanks Andy.  I know my doc thinks i really need it.  My hormone levels are supposed to be a 5. something and are only 1.  She says this is probably why I had depression to start with and why I have very bad chronic fatigue, bad memory problems and a host of other symptoms.  But we already know how docs will sometimes get us on meds we can actually to without because they get kick backs from the pharms.  Ive also been researching the possible side effects of the growth hormone treatments and they can cause some of the stuff they are supposed to cure. Plus having to give myself a shot every day is just plain scary for me. 

 

I've seen a lot of people have miraculous recoveries from pituitary tumors with treatment so I would think it is something where the doc is not just "making it up."  As far as self-administering shots, I had to do that with a blood thinner for a while and you get used to it.  Honestly.

 

Best,

 

Andy

Sertraline 50mg and Clonazapam .375mg from 2000 -- symptoms of dizziness Spring 2012

increased to .5 Clonazapam and 100mg Sertraline -- no improvement

Benzo microtaper from November 2012 to November 2014 (followed benzo sites "taper benzo first")

Started Sertraline taper in December 2014 cut by 25mg to 75mg; 62.5mg 1/1/15 and 50mg on 2/1/15

Held at 50mg through April 5 to use liquid 
Reduced dosage in 10% or less drops from 50mg to 25mg -- at single tablet of 25mg on 10/5/15

Transitioned to all liquid for accuracy while tapering -- Horrible insomnia -- back to 25mg liquid and held until October 1, 2016

10/16 -- 11/18 tapered very slowly to 10.6mg.  No real improvement and never really stable so updosed to 12.5mg (1/2 a pill) for convenience and long hold.

After 8+ months of holding with no noticeable improvement decided to add .4ml of liquid Prozac (about 1.5mg) to see if that improves the situation

Supplements, Magnesium, D3, Omega 3, curcumin, Valerian, 81mg Aspirin, L-Theanine, Vit. C,

 

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