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Prozac january 2010 to  october 2016 dose started at 10mg and went up to 80mg

welbutrin october 2014 to october 2016 dose up to 400mg

effexor october 2015 to march 2016 150mg

geodon january 2016 to july 2016 80mg

i did a rapid taper off everything in 8 months time span from march 2016 to october 2016

drug free for 2 years and 7 months

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Although I'm in a "window", (have been for the last 2 weeks), I did a hard row for 50 mins (10k) on our rowing machine on Friday.  That evening I got the flu-like symptoms a lot of people have mention

Yes, I had this issue as well. There were 2 things that made a difference to be able to exercise and still sleep at night. One is starting very slowly ie. you might want to ditch the incline and even

Yes, doctor said I was on such a low dose it was probably having no effect so no taper needed. He was wrong. 

 

Sorry to hear you’re still struggling. We are developing infinite patience!

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Hi DaBro, I don't normally comment on peoples threads but just saw your comment on 25mg being "such a low dose."

I would encourage you to look up the serotonin occupancy study (I have posted a link below for you). If you look at Sertraline on here you will see that at 25mg you were still in fact locking down around 70% occupancy despite 25mg of Zoloft being considered a low dose by doctors. The curves that you see on these graphs highlight why we need to taper at 10% of a previous dose and not in a linear path.

 

https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/pdf/10.1176/appi.ajp.161.5.826

 

I am happy to hear you have had good windows and these seem to be improving which is great news! I just though the above info might help explain why you have been in Withdrawal for what looks like 18 months and not to worry as is pretty understandable with how you came off these drugs. I wish you all the best on your journey to recovery

Started Sertraline (Zoloft) September 2009. 50mg then to 100mg within a week. Severe reaction straight away. Severe agitation, anxiety and depression

Moved to 150mg in November 2010 and floated between 150mg and 100mg for the next 6 years. Always felt better on lower dose.

February 2016 began tapering: 150-125mg for 4 weeks.

125mg-100mg for 4 weeks

100mg-87.5mg for 2 weeks

87.5mg-75mg for 6 weeks (this drop was ordinary for a week or so if severe symtoms)

75mg-68mg for 4 weeks

68mg-62.5mg for 2 weeks

62.5mg-56mg for 3 weeks. Had 3 weeks of basically no symptoms and then I crashed hard. It was like it all caught up with me. Went back up to 60mg and have been there since 5th August 2016.

At no stage has this medication made me feel better than I did before I was on it. I never had 95% of the symptoms I have now before I went on this poison

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Hennie, I experience many of the same symptoms when I attempt exercise.  The back pain and nerve pain is so severe after exercise I eventually give up.  I’m curious, has your exercise intolerance improved since your Jan 2019 post? If so, when in your withdrawl process? If anyone with experience in this area could comment, I would be much appreciative.  I’m in my “10 month wave” and I’m feeling it but the back pain is the most frustrating. I began exercising again at the beginning of my tenth month of withdrawl not realizing this is supposed to be the worst month of withdrawl. Just looking for some hope for the future and my ability to exercise again...

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Hi Winner51,

 

I am sure you will be able to exercise in the future. It is maybe not time for it yet but hopefully time will heal things

 

I hope I would be able to say my exercise intolerance would have got a lot of better but it hasnt.  I made again progress last winter but maybe added too much exercise (tried to increase a bit powerful yoga to increase muscle training and longer walks in the woods) and finally crashed again and have decided to keep my exercise level the same- walking, little gentle yoga movements (mostly relaxation), maybe riding a bike a bit. If I notice I have done too much I keep a break. Sometimes I have exercised more than normally but I usually pay the price. Harder exercise is in my case like loaning energy from the next days. There is a certain limit and I cant do more.

 

When I increased the exercise same old symptoms came back: feel like my muscles dont recover from exercise, muscles start to feel really stiff,wake up in the middle of the night because of adrenaline surges, feeling like my body/CNS is vibrating/tingling/agitated and usually in that point I think; now its time to keep a break. I think the increasing amount of adrenaline surges and symptoms after exercise are somekind of key understanding whats going on in my body. I read this post and I think it has lot in common with how I feel. Like I said I have been battling years with symptoms that resemble a lot of CFS. I think multiple withdrawal caused some kind of autonomic nervous system issues in my case.

https://www.hfme.org/adrenalinesurgetips.htm

I have made progress but not a lot. I can be a bit more physically active in every day life and do a bit more but not much. I also sleep a bit better if I take care of myself well.

 

Best way for me to handle wd has been doing things that lower stress and helps my CNS to recover and relax. Walking helps a lot such as different exercises that combine deep breathing and movement such as yoga and in my case it is really gentle. Harder exercise does the opposite in my case now. It is not time for it yet. I am sad because I loved exercise. Luckily walking outside cheer me up and its something even though I miss going to gym, running and so on..

 

I still taper benzos and have had to keep breaks in tapering because the symptoms have been sometimes too much. I have had issues of akathisia in the past and have again noticed symptoms of it. I try to concentrate in calming off myself instead of muscle training. Things have been more difficult in the end of my taper process.

 

2005-2009 Lexapro 10-20mg & Remeron 7,5mg: cold turkey

2010 tried Venlafaxine (month),

2011-2012 Seroquel 25mg (8 months) & 2011-2015 Lexapro 10-20mg (tapered off during 4 months) 

2014 6 days Cipro(antibiotics) adverse reaction

2015-2016 (all these drugs during 9 months,did not tolerate most of them ) : tried Remeron. Reinstatement of Lexapro 3 months after stopping it: fail. Akathisia, insomnia. Zyprexa10mg, Sodium Valproate, Temazepam(20mg), Oxazepam 30-45 mgs. switching meds: Seroquel 50-100mg, Oxazepam  30-45mg , Temazepam 20mg. Then back to Zyprexa 10mg, Temazepam20mg, doctor took me off Oxazepam fast. Then Zyprexa 20mg, Temazepam 20mg, melatonin10mg ( sometimes very rarely Valium 10 mg.) Zyprexa: cold turkey because Zyprexa made akathisia intolerable after every dose. After it insomnia, 24/7 akathisia. Bad reactions to supplements

2016 spring daily  Valium 15mg>0mg (used for 4,5 months and during that time slowly tapered off), Temazepam 40 mg > 25 mg (tapered in 3 months)

2016 summer Temazepam 25 mg > 20 mg, melatonin 2,5 mg

2016 november Melatonin 0,5 mg, Temazepam 20 mg.  Started tapering again.

2021 march (microtapering) Temazepam 4,0 mg Supplements: probiotics, magnesium oil occasionally, melatonin 0,5 mg

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Still can't exercise beyond some light walking and a bit of light shooting around at bball court. Light garden work. Etc. Pushing beyond that still brings on bad akathisia, agitation, depression + anxiety, brain fog, etc. It's gotten better, but it's a slow process. Has anyone gotten it all back after years of physical suffering like that? This all started like 10 years ago with the exercise malaise because of the drugs. Sometimes it feels like there's no way I could go to the weightroom, play sports, hike or push myself hard again. Only 32 years old :(

Took Accutane in 2007 at age 19 and a severe reaction to it threw me into Psychiatry's dirty hands. Suffered through a number of c/t's, rapid tapers, drug switches, reinstatements before finally figuring out what was happening to me in 2012 after checking out of psych hospital with a prescription for Ativan and Prozac. (Went in because was unknowingly in Xanax c/t wd and dying at the time from it).

 

May 2016 - Last dose of Valium after 2 year long taper from 15mg

June 2017- Last dose of the corticosteroid Hydrocortisone after taper

July 2019- Last dose of Prozac after 2 year long taper from 30mg

 

Was on Accutane, Lexapro, Celexa, Xanax, Ativan, Prozac, Hydrocorisone, Valium, and thyroid meds when none of them were needed. Still recovering to this day and hope to be healed in the coming months, but taking it one day at a time.

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Phew. Added 10 minutes of light jogging to my walk today and got immediately slammed by a wave right after. Seems to really activate me. I’ll have to not do that, though I used to love jogging. I’ll take a two week break from jogging and maybe give incline walking a go again, slowly increasing the time. 

2008: start Lexapro 10 mg which is quickly upped to 20 mg. 2008:2013 try at least four individual times to get off Lexapro, never get lower than 5mg, settle at 15 mg. 2015: again, attempt to get off Lexapro and get to 5 mg. After 6 months, feel i'm stabilizing but go back on a higher dose because of one stressful event. 2016: go to 20 mg from 15 mg due to work stresses, hit severe tolerance for the first time and become very suicidal. 2016-2017: try viibryd and cymbata in an attempt to feel better. Also add Lamictal 150 at some point. 2017: eventually land on paxil 37.5 and Lamictal 150. January 2018: cut paxil to 25. April-July 2018: reduce Lamictal in 50 mg increments till im off August. 2018: reduce paxil to 20 mg. december 2018: dropped Paxil to 18 mg, SEVERE CRASH. March updosed to 20 mg April 11: dropped to 19.4 mg due to akathsia (still experiencing akathsia symptoms from updose) April 20: 19 mg Paxil May 4: 18.7 Paxil July 5: 18.2 July 12: 17.8 Aug 19: 17.5 Aug 26: 17.3 Oct 20: 17.1 Nov 3: 16.9, 8/17/20: 16.6 after nine month hold, 8/24/20: 16.4, 8/31/20:16.2, 9/14/2020: 16.0, 9/21/20: 15.8, 9/28/20: 15.6, 10/19/20:15.4, 10/26/20: 15.2, 11/2/20: 15.1, 11/7/20: 14.8, 3/6/2-: 14.5, 3/20/20: 14.3, 4/3/20: 13.9, 4/10/2021: 13.7 

 

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Hi all,

 

Just wondering if there can be a delayed reaction to doing to much exercise? Assumed it would be straight away or the next day but wd is nothing normal.

 

I started increasing what I was doing and after the second time felt a little bit worse so stopped and then two or three weeks later have hit a nasty wave.

 

 

20mg Lexapro 2007

10mg Lexapro 2012

Started tapering approx (October 2017) 12 months ago  from 10mg to 9mg then 8 then 7 then 6 then 5 then 4 then 3.

Held for approx 4 to 6 weeks min on each reduction.

Hit severe symptoms (started 7th Nov) after dropping to 3mg. Dropped to 3mg approx 22nd October.

Back to 4mg (7th November) and stabilising. Current symptoms started 23rd November 

Used diazepam (2018) 10mg 10th Nov, 5mg 11th Nov, 2.5mg 12 Nov, 2mg 13th Nov.

Used diazepam 10mg 24th Nov, 7.5 25th Nov and 5mg 26th November.

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I found that HR Zone training has been super helpful with keeping me from over doing it.  I am a fitness professional as well as someone who has been healing for the past 2 years.  I have been using MyZone.  If I stay in my lower HR Zones 1&2 then I tend to recover well and mitigate over working my nervous system.  Heavy lifting is super taxing on the nervous system so staying away from trying to PR any lifts is a good idea.  Start slow with more aerobic/metcon type workouts keeping the weights light and reps as well as movements in a range where you do not go out of zone 1/2.  Limit to 30 minutes 2-3 times per week and see how you respond.  A year ago I couldn't even pick up a 20# weight without feeling like I was going to pass out.  I now am able to work in my Zone 3 here and there.  I can lift again but my focus is on technique since I know going too heavy is not going to benefit me in anyway.  It takes time, patience, and the ability to work within your limitations and finding a way to keep you accountable to staying within those limitations.  Anyway, this has worked for me.  I hope it helps.

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2010 Effexor XR 75mg Trazadone 150mg

2012 Abilify 5mg and Buspar added increased Effexor XR 150mg quick taper after 6 months due to pregnancy.

2014 Reinstate Effexor XR 75mg increase to 150mg, 150mg Trazadone, Buspar, Abilify 5mg. Quick taper after about 1 year from Effexor, Abilify, and Buspar.

2018 Trazadone taper over 1 month

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This is a fascinating topic. I think there’s an argument to be made that ADs are a performance enhancing drug. 
 

I was a high level Crossfit athlete while medicated. In 2015, one year before getting off the drugs, I competed in the top 1% of athletes worldwide. Flash forward to 2016, off 37.5mg of Effexor XR, and I could not make it through a workout. Four years later, my capacity for high intensity fitness is nowhere where it once was. This is natural in some ways, given that once you step down it always feels like hell to get it back, but it feels like something more is going on.


My theory is that ADs numb the whole system, emotional and physical. Therefore, our tolerance for high intensity workouts actually goes up. I felt pain when I was training, sure.  But the threshold was so much higher. I could push through in ways I couldn’t almost immediately after stopping Effexor. 

I’ve run this theory by a few researchers who study muscle/exercise science. None of them know of any formal studies,  but they all agree that it makes sense. Curiouser and curiouser...

Effexor XR 37.5mg and Wellbutrin XL 150mg from age 15-30 (2001-2016). Hell withdrawal. Drug free (and happy) since 2016.

 

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I do not agree.  I have had the opposite experience...it is way worse in withdrawal, however.

2002-2008 On and off Effexor XR 75mg 

2010 Effexor XR 75mg Trazadone 150mg

2012 Abilify 5mg and Buspar added increased Effexor XR 150mg quick taper after 6 months due to pregnancy.

2014 Reinstate Effexor XR 75mg increase to 150mg, 150mg Trazadone, Buspar, Abilify 5mg. Quick taper after about 1 year from Effexor, Abilify, and Buspar.

2018 Trazadone taper over 1 month

2018 Attempted Effexor reinstatement due to digestive distress 37.5 mg.  Failed 2xs after 4 days.  Gastro preacribed Elavil 2 weeks later.  Failed after 2 days.  3 days later full withdrawl.

 

 

 

 

 

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Aside from a few range of motion exercises to deal with muscle tightness and pain, I don't move unless I have to. I suffer from dizziness and temperature deregulation, which worsens with movement. When I must walk, I am very, very slow.

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All we can do is listen to our own body.  Things can be different for it at different times as well so it's not a static thing.  We have to go with the flow and adapt as needed.

 

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Plodding along inch by inch:  12" = 1',  3' =  36 " or 1 yard,  1760 yards  = 63,360" or 1 mile

Current from 17 Apr 2021:  Pristiq 0.2665mg  now holding each dose for 3 weeks

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

My tapering program   My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)  My website

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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On 6/14/2011 at 11:46 PM, Razzle said:

 

Has anyone else found benefit/determent to exercise??

 

Walking outside and walking on stairs in between low to medium phase and not above do me the best.

 

High phase walking will transmit the brain there is a danger and will only conserve the stress. Thats should be avoided or done minimally.

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Hi there,

 

I have had a storied history with meds (as has everyone).

 

One thing that came about when I was taking meds (both citalopram and venlafaxine) was intense fatigue caused by overstimulation.

 

Everything I did and still do causes by senses and body to burn out.

 

I can't exercise as it essentially causes my body into overload. I get a stress rash all over my body, my heart rate stays elevated for 5+ hours after exercise and it feels terrible.

 

Relaxation techniques such as meditation and guided breathing have no effect, diet doesn't do anything. I don't drink or take drugs.

 

I have tried every type of exercise imaginable (at every pace) and it still burns me out.

 

I have had my bloods checked regularly, and have no major immune disorders.

 

It is incredibly confusing and frustrating, it feels like my tolerance for physical stress is fried.

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thank you.

 

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2008-2013 - 10mg Citalopram prescribed after one panic attack by GP - no psych evaluation

Citalopram Stopped working (no taperiing, just a hard switch to Venlafaxine)

2013-2018 150mg Venlafaxine

Jan 2018 - Came off 150mg Venlafaxine over 2 month period (as advised by GP)

Experienced intense bouts of Depersonalisation and Derealisation due to rapid tapering. Resulted in Psychiatrist evaulation.

March 2018 - Prescribed 0.5 MG Risperidone (for sleep) and 20mg Prosac

May 2018 Came of all drugs after drug induced Akathisia

 

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Hi Chineoh,

I have not had what you describe while on medications, nor since coming off. 

But I still think it might be due to some autonomic nervous system dysregulation.  I'll leave that for you to google.

It IS confusing and frustrating sometimes.  I'm sure hoping you've experienced some improvements, over time.  I know I sure have in many areas.  Stress in general, is still hard for me........the physical stuff I do just fine with thankfully, now.  I was off balance for awhile and wobbly........that has all improved for me.

 

Best.  I hope that helps and perhaps others will chime in.

 

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For me, exercise is the best option to relieve withdrawal symptoms. Even just taking a half-hour walk helps quite a bit. I am not at my most fit right now, so I usually do 30 minutes on the treadmill (watching my favorite show, Star Trek) and then some light weight work. The endorphins that get generated are very helpful. I try to eat as best I can and that also helps. I can tell if I eat too much junk food as my mood and energy levels are low.

 

Start small and slow. Life isn't a race. Just get your blood pumping and those endorphins should show up in 20 - 30 minutes. Endorphins are the bodies natural opiates.

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Clonazepam (Klonopin), 2 mg since 2016. Tapered Jun - Aug 2017. Reinstated 0.5 mg Jan 2020. Tapered Nov 2020 - Present

Lorazepam (Ativan), 1 mg (as needed for panic attacks) since 2016. Quit May 2020.

Escitalopram (Lexapro), 20 mg Sep 2019. Quit Nov 2019

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Hi

 

When did people realise they were ready to excercise or was it a case of trial and error?

 

I've tried to do something every month since my adverse reaction 15 months ago. When I excercise I get a migraine the day after that can last 2 or 3 days. It seems to coinside with the muscle ache I get. 

 

I usually do 20 minutes a few squats, some star jumps nothing to intensive.

 

What would I do in this case and is this excercise intolerence?

 

Should I push through and continue to excercise once the headache passes?

 

Thank you

 

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If 20 minutes is too much then reduce.  You could start with 5 minutes for a few days to a week then increase it to 10 minutes.  It might be that 15 minutes is okay but more is not.  Build up slowly and keep notes of how you feel afterwards.

 

Are you doing any walking?

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Current from 17 Apr 2021:  Pristiq 0.2665mg  now holding each dose for 3 weeks

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

My tapering program   My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)  My website

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Thank you @ChessieCat I will do just that and start slower and monitor how I feel. 

 

Walking I have no issues with, but I am trying to loose excess fat witch I accumulated since the adverse reaction.

 

As I walk every day it is not doing anything to help with weight loss. 

 

Although I am no way overweight I am carrying far to much body fat which I need to work on reducing. 

 

 I am also working on diet low carb is proving to difficult for family life..

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Walking is a tremendous help to me.  When I'm stressed, and I walk, I can feel the stress melting away.  Today I had a lot of neuro fear and anxiety.  I went for a walk, and when I got back, I felt so much calmer.  

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I am glad to see this topic posted. In the beginning, when my anxiety was through the roof, exercise is the only thing that helped. The only thing. But I am in a depressive wave right now, my brain feels so heavy, & it is impossible at times to enjoy anything. When I exercise even a little bit, my symptoms get so much worse. I want to stimulate my neural pathways, but exercise can put me into a spiral for days. Has anyone else experienced anything like this? Did you exercise anyway?

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What sort of exercise do you do?  On your not too good days instead of doing your regular exercises, you might find going for short gentle walk might be okay.

 

On days which are not your best but a bit better you might find that doing your regular exercises but reducing the intensity and/or length of time doesn't ramp up your symptoms.  Or splitting them up and doing that throughout the day instead of in one session.

 

It's important to listen to your body and symptoms and adjust activity accordingly.

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From the time I began to taper in August of 2018 I was unable to exercise because of withdrawl symptoms. Their intensity would be unbearable so I quit trying. In March of 2020 (7 mos off AD) I began to exercise again. I was still experiencing some worsening of symptoms but the benefits of the exercise outweighed them. I’m now 20 mos off AD and I still have WD symptoms at all times but they have vastly improved over time and my exercise doesn’t affect them at all anymore. I exercise 5 to 7 days a week typically 45 mins to an hour each day. Some days I might not feel up to it So I rest.  Many times the exercise energizes me so in most cases I attempt it even when I’m tired. Hang in there and listen to your body and eventually you will be able to resume exercise normalcy for you.

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Hello

 

I was wondering if anybody on this thread had experienced complete insomnia after even gentle physical exertion in the day? Not even exercise, just walking around outside the home.

 

And if this has resolved?

 

I'm feeling a bit of an outlier with this one as it seems unusual and extreme. It started after a particularly nasty and prolonged bout of insomnia courtesy of mirtazapine. So not sure if it's exhaustion or over-stimulation that's the problem.

 

At a bit of a loss really and now almost afraid to leave the house as I don't know when it will be triggered. Was fit and active before and moving around normally at home/cleaning/stairs/garden no problem.

 

Is there anybody who can relate?

 

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Ripley, I experienced total insomnia on many occasions and I was taking Mirtazapine as well. My sleep issues took place during tapering but mostly during months 3 through 12 of withdrawl. There were many nights I didn’t sleep even an hour.  I cannot say it was due to activity.  However, my insomnia was more severe when I exercised but all the other withdrawl symptoms were more severe when exercising too. I stopped exercising during the months mentioned above.  I am now 21 months in withdrawl and I sleep just like I did before the Mirt. I’ve been exercising for about a year now and I exercise daily for a minimum of 45 mins but most days for an hour. I walk every day and also do strength training 2 to 3 times a week. I still experience withdrawls daily but they are much less severe and I’m able to live a much more normal life.  There was a period of time for about a week in the last year of exercising I had to take a break because of nerve and muscle pain in my back.  It subsided and I resumed walking.  I would dare say my sleep issues are resolved (knock on wood).🤞🏻Hang in there! I’m proof positive things will improve for you. Most importantly listen to your body. There were times I would try exercise and I knew my body didn’t want it.  Last March when I began exercising on a regular basis I tried it and it felt right. I took it easy and let my body set my pace.  Your body will let you know what you can and cannot do.  How far along are you in the withdrawl process?

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Hi @Winner51

 

Thanks for your reply. It's very encouraging that your sleep is back to what it was before mirt. It has such a destructive effect on sleep. 

 

At the moment, I'm not really talking about exercise - just the exertion of living normally. But I'm glad your tolerance for exercise has improved. Hopefully tolerance for activity in general improves.

 

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▪︎2000 - Seroxat (25mg?) 6 months C/T

▪︎2015 - 7.5mg Zopiclone 1 month C/T

▪︎ 2016 - 2018 - Diazapam and Phenergan occasionally

▪︎2017 June to Oct - Mirtazapine 7.5mg C/T

▪︎2018 April - 2019 Oct Mirtazapine 7.5mg tapered to 1.5mg.

▪︎2019 October - Mirtazapine 1.5mg (Skipped alternate doses on doctor's advice then stopped - Insomnia.) Phenergan

▪︎2020 Jan 6th - Mirtazapine 1.5mg

▪︎2020 Jan 13th - Mirtazapine 7.5mg

▪︎2020 - Feb - May, holding 7.5mg

▪︎2020 1st June, 7.35mg. 27 June, 7.2mg. 7 July, 7.05mg. 18 July, 6.9mg. 28 July, 6.75mg. 27 Aug, 6.6mg. 7 Sep, 6.45mg. 17 Sep, 6.6mg. Holding

 

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I was walking a few weeks ago now I feel I can barely leave the house, have a horrible fear like feeling in my stomach that’s making me shake, no hunger barely any sleep, slept last night after being given some sleeping pills 

10 days Citalopram c/t 

7 days buspirone c/t

5 days trazodone c/t

2 weeks lorazepam c/t

started in January now off work 3 months 

Stomach issues

weakness in legs 

feeling of dread all day

cant sleep

barely eating no appetite

fever on and off

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