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Hello,  I have been taking these drugs melts brains, when finally I got leave begins the second part of the nightmare.
My main symptoms are dyspnea, IBS, mild extrapyramidal symptoms, paresthesia in feet, lack of libido, intermittent dysfunction.
In addition to cognitive problems, lack of concentration, inability to carry a routine, lack of motivation, interest, creativity.
 
All these symptoms have been declining progressively since I leave in April 2015. Dyspnea now are sighs, sexual problems are solved by decreasing prolactin supplements, even so continue having many problems that prevent me to continue with my normal life. So I need help and advice.
30% increase my weight with the drug, I am now 12% above before taking these drugs are very soluble, anyone know if this is an important factor?
 
I've been doing the following to recover, I will put the first thing that helps me.
 
Physical exercise, sport, I was always very athletic, now I'm not so sedated I do more sport, I do 2-4 hours to notice something significant as that dyspnea disappears and sleep better.
 
Antioxidants:
Resveratrol
Vitamin C
Vitamin E
Curcumin
 
others:
Vitamin B complex.
Omega 3-6 NKO.
Zinc
Magnesium glycinate
Proteins and amino acids.
SAM-e
 
Tribulus (increase testosterone)
 
If I have many extrapyramidal symptoms for whatever reason at some point I have taken mucuna puriens containing L-dopa. It eliminates extrapyramidal symptoms but has adverse effects when Conclude.
 
Despite all this, intense exercise, diet based on fruits, meat and fish, with supplements taken occasionally evenly. I continue being like ****, I continue having digestive, respiratory, circulation, and cognitive problems. I've noticed that every time the improvement is less, as if it were a point where I'm not going to improve more and stay so the rest of my life is horrible.

Sorry my english, i use google traductor from spain.

olanzapine, abilify, akineton, 2,5 years ON, 9months OFF. 

recovering good.

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Hi kup0,

 

Welcome to SA.  It would seem from your post that you have stopped taking your olanzapine.  Could you please post how much you were taking, how you stopped (did you go off it all at once) and the date you took you last tablet?   This will help the staff to offer suggestions.

 

The staff are online regularly so someone should be in soon.

 

Best wishes,

CC

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Welcome, kup0.

 

I would also like to know your daily symptom pattern and when you take each of those supplements.

 

Do you get indigestion from certain foods? Keeping a food diary and tracking your symptoms might help.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Hi kup0,

 

Welcome to SA.  It would seem from your post that you have stopped taking your olanzapine.  Could you please post how much you were taking, how you stopped (did you go off it all at once) and the date you took you last tablet?   This will help the staff to offer suggestions.

 

The staff are online regularly so someone should be in soon.

 

Best wishes,

CC

 

my story is in the firm.

 

 

09-2012. 10mg olanzapine, 15mg abilify, akineton.

11-2012. 10mg olanzapine

01-2013 5mg olanzapine.

01-2014 2.5mg olanzapine.

04-2015. off.

 

or so I've taken that, although I cut the pills, even if they had the deck and should not do. I could not take the pill because I sedated whole lot, and if I did not take him very bad, so the cut.

 

Welcome, kup0.

 

I would also like to know your daily symptom pattern and when you take each of those supplements.

 

Do you get indigestion from certain foods? Keeping a food diary and tracking your symptoms might help.

 

 

with extras I feel better, but do not take them every day on a continuous basis.
But basically I feel better in general, some supplements help some things more than others, also took L-glutamine sometimes really helps digestion for IBS. Since IBS causes the intestines to go very fast, glutamine makes a slower digestion.
 
The puriens mucuna helps me to increase the libido and stop extrapyramidal symptoms but has adverse effects have felt the "wearing-off" after 2 days.
 
Everything else tends to be better for me as antioxidants, b6, zinc, curcumin, make the dopaminergic system work better. But neither is a feeling of being recovered.
 
When I stop taking the supplements starts ringing a slight general fatigue, insomnia, 2weeks I was sleeping 4 hours a day, so I try to do intense physical exercise, it helps me to get at least 6-8 hours sleep and breathe better.
 
The more persistent symptoms and are almost daily are: dyspnea (breathing problems), IBS (digestive, accumulation of gas, bloating), cognitive problems, concentration, routine, decision making, etc ..

olanzapine, abilify, akineton, 2,5 years ON, 9months OFF. 

recovering good.

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Hola Kup.

 

Bienvenidos!  Hablo espanol (aunque no uso tanto ahora) entonces puedo tratar de ayudarte con la traduccion si es necesario (o si quieres hablar en PM).

 

Wishing you all the best as you try to figure this out. Zyprexa es una pesadilla horrible  :angry:

 

En solidaridad,

El buho

Medical/Withdrawal History: 

Dec.2012--Hospitalization, 20mg Zyprexa (3 weeks), Bi-polar/chemical dependency diagnosis
Jan.2013--10mg Zyprexa, 300mg Wellbutrin
June 2013--CT Failed Withdrawal (followed by 2 more attempts)
July 2013--Stable at 5mg Zyprexa, 150mg Welbutrin

Mar 2014--5mg Zyprexa, 150mg Wellbutrin, 200mg Lamictal (plan to wean  off Zyprexa)

Aug 2014--2.5mg Zyprexa, 150mg Wellbutrin, 200mg Lamictal

Oct 2015--1.25mg Zyprexa, 150mg Wellbutrin, 200mg Lamictal
Nov 2015--1.25mg Zyprexa, 150mg Wellbutrin, 100mg Lamictal

Nov 2016 (current) - 1.25mg Zyprexa, 75mg Wellbutrin (cut 150XL pill), 200mg Lamictal (reinstated full dose)

"You carry all the ingredients to turn your life into a nightmare--Don't mix them!
You carry all the ingredients to turn your existence into joy--Mix them, mix them!"~ Hafiz

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Thank you, OpalOwl. Perhaps you can translate for kup0.

 

kup0, do you get indigestion from certain foods? Keeping a food diary and tracking your symptoms might help.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Thank you, OpalOwl. Perhaps you can translate for kup0.

 

kup0, do you get indigestion from certain foods? Keeping a food diary and tracking your symptoms might help.

 
I have no indigestion with certain foods, if I feel as much swelling and discomfort, I try to make smaller meals. Sometimes some stomach ache spent in 10-20min. The most annoying is that the abdomen is inflated by gases, belching and gas. Before I had more problems but have been disappearing.

 

I can not take stimulants, caffeine and alcohol increase dyspnea.

 

With olanzapine smoked a lot snuff (almost 20 cigarettes a day) and I could not leave him, used to smoke five cigarettes a day and could not stop smoothly, when you stop olanzapine, at 2 weeks I appeared dyspnea that was very strong and I prevented to smoke, and I quit smoking without problems. After 6months (September) dyspnea started to become sighs and be controllable and variable. all symptoms decreased substantially, but not entirely disappear. In the day to day changes are not noticeable, but  I will take note, and every 30 days be  significant changes, but increasingly, it is as if the recovery made a negative exponential curve.

olanzapine, abilify, akineton, 2,5 years ON, 9months OFF. 

recovering good.

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Something is irritating your digestion.

 

See Digestive problems: Nausea, Diarrhea, Bloating, GERD

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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See if you can help me here, I leave the treatment on my own because the only psychiatrist to give me cocktail and that was unbearable. Now when I'm bad for withdrawal, the damage that has generated the psycho drugs, the doctor tells me that it is a "relapse" that I have anxiety or psychological. He says "you refuse to take treatment (antipsychotics) and why you are wrong, your anxiety."

I have never encountered so, the symptoms that I have now resemble those of anxiety, but I have no anxiety, symptoms worsen with anxiety, but anxiety does not seem the case, let me explain right ?.

 

The doctor does not think that the drug has damaged / altered my brain, causing a withdrawal syndrome, is believed to be a relapse, and he says I'm perfectly healthy, only with a blood test.

 

In short, the state medical insurance does not help me, want to give me drugs again to return to before. I do not know if I should go to a private neurologist, or that doctors can help me with this? I can make a report because I have all these symptoms.

olanzapine, abilify, akineton, 2,5 years ON, 9months OFF. 

recovering good.

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Very few doctors or psychiatrists know anything about withdrawal syndrome. Very frequently, they call it relapse.

 

If you look long enough, you might find one. But what kind of treatment would you like the state medical insurance to cover?

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if I do not cover the state, I will repay. What I want is to be well or know what happens to me and I must do.

olanzapine, abilify, akineton, 2,5 years ON, 9months OFF. 

recovering good.

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We cannot tell you how to cure withdrawal syndrome. You need to let your nervous system heal, by treating it gently.

 

See our Symptoms and Self-care forum  http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/forum/8-symptoms-and-self-care/for suggestions about how to cope with symptoms.

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Hello! thanks for the help of the few who have posted, I wish more people encourage me as this is very hard to go alone.

 

Since a few days ago they have disappeared IBS bowel spasms. The abdomen is somewhat distorted by the left side of the gas (I think), but continues to improve, the most annoying thing is over.

 

Dyspnea persists in the form of soft sighs to grab air, but continues to decline and hope it disappears in a few months.

 

 

I continued researching and reading, and I think the other symptoms that persist with hardly any improvement is due to the damage to the basal ganglia that generate a dopaminergic deficiency. I have almost all the symptoms of Parkinson's disease, which is common in people treated with neuroleptics in a long run.

 

In January I'll go to a neurologist expert in Parkinson's.

 

Although EPS few symptoms that are not very upset at how little can happen, if they are very annoying symptoms that are secondary.

 

anhedonia, apathy, lack of motivation.

Lack of libido, sexual problems.

cognitive problems: lack of concentration, memory, etc ..

 

All these problems seem to be solved when taking mucuna puriens (l-dopa, a synthetic dopamine), or supplements that lower prolactin that support the dopaminergic system (vitamin E, vitamin B6, sam-e, zinc) but these are not really effective, single a little relief.

 

With the I-dopa really feel an up enormous energy, tranquility invades my body, my memory and concentration are incredible, my motivation for doing things increases, EPS disappear completely, libido increases (especially coupled with tribulus) They call this the honeymoon effect, but when the effect ends (24-48 h) has adverse effects are felt, but there is a residual effect of improvement that is disappearing little by little, but I can make it last a little more with other supplements.

 

At the end end taking 1 capsule puriens mucuna every 7-10 days, between 400mg and 100mg dose dependent as I am, (400mg capsules are, but the vacuum to 100mg to reduce the adverse effects of end of dose).

 

Hopefully someone can help me with this, I read that Parkinson's can improve treatments and supplements, but does not know what to do, I need to produce more dopamine, please help !.

 

I believe that withdrawal has passed at least 95%, I have left now is the persistent brain damage, which should improve with intensive treatment: psychological, physical, food and environmental.

 

I have seen the movie "awakenings" and really loved it! great movie! and I feel identified, really improved a few minutes with motivating music, it's like a rush of dopamine! is incredible, just like in the movie, some motivational activities make me feel good, but they only last a few minutes at most, every day I wake up eager to continue fighting this, show the world that it has a solution, and move mountains to prove it, and I hope you for help me in this hard way.

olanzapine, abilify, akineton, 2,5 years ON, 9months OFF. 

recovering good.

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Good to hear you're a bit better, kup0.

 

It is unlikely you have Parkinson's. Most likely, you have post-acute withdrawal syndrome.

 

Please be patient and take care of yourself, treat your nervous system gently. It will slowly heal.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Hello, I'm improving every month I feel a little better.

 

I managed the amino acid analysis, and I have some very low, and everyone else in normal amounts, there is no excess despite taking all kinds of supplements, just corrected me some, but the lack of some is the problem.

 

It would be very important that anyone taking or stop taking a drug such, amino acid test done, because they help enough to eliminate the negative symptoms.

olanzapine, abilify, akineton, 2,5 years ON, 9months OFF. 

recovering good.

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thanks to my new doctor, is healing me digestive and breathing problems. Treatment is 2months (only for this) but I feel cured.

 

Other improvements are noticed is that all the symptoms of anxiety are disappearing, and is improving concentration, cognition, memory, etc ..

 

Also tics, spasms, cramps were reduced by 98%

olanzapine, abilify, akineton, 2,5 years ON, 9months OFF. 

recovering good.

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What is the treatment?

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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I'm not sure, first sorry for my English if not very precise.
 
Are 2 products, one to clean the stomach, a drain, the second is a debugger I think for the liver and lymphatic system.
 
they must be taken together with probiotics to restore intestinal flora.
 
Dr told me that no matter how many supplements of omega take or whatever, that the medication had destroyed the intestinal flora of my stomach,  and they were not going properly in the body.  which first had to clean all the medication and restore intestinal flora.
 
And second cleanse the liver and others to function again.

after that he begins to restore nutritional amino acid imbalance to regain the biochemical imbalance in the brain.

olanzapine, abilify, akineton, 2,5 years ON, 9months OFF. 

recovering good.

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Good to hear you're feeling better kup0. I joined your new topic to your Introduction thread.

 

Please could you add the date you stopped meds. into your signature , so readers can understand when they read your posts.

 

Thanks , Fresh

1987-1997 pertofran , prothiaden , Prozac 1997-2002 Zoloft 2002-2004 effexor 2004-2010 Lexapro 40mg

2010-2012Cymbalta 120mg

Sept. 2012 -decreased 90mg in 6months. Care taken over by Dr Lucire in March 2013 , decreased last 30mg at 2mg per week over 3 months. July 21 , 2013- last dose of Cymbalta

Protracted withdrawal syndrome kicked in badly Jan.2014 Unrelenting akathisia until May 2014. Voluntary hosp. admission. Cocktail of Seroquel, Ativan and mirtazapine and I was well enough to go home after 14 days. Stopped all hosp. meds in next few months.

July 2014 felt v.depressed - couldn't stop crying. Started pristiq 50mg. Felt improvement within days and continued to improve, so stayed on 50mg for 8 months.

Began taper 28 Feb. 2015. Pristiq 50mg down to 45mg. Had one month of w/d symptoms. Started CES therapy in March. No w/d symptoms down to 30mg.

October 2015 , taking 25mg Pristiq. Capsules compounded with slow-release additive.

March 2016 , 21mg

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I'm getting lot of mucus in the lungs, which is supposed to be everything that had toxic within the lymphatic system.

I'll be so 2months to remove all trash in me. But it feels good then, without respiratory problems, and disappearing all the symptoms of anxiety.

olanzapine, abilify, akineton, 2,5 years ON, 9months OFF. 

recovering good.

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