btdt: introducing myself

[btdt]

I think its a big struggle among the medical community because of conservatism. I have seen it in so many parts. As an example. Doctors have been prescribing vaccines with a big load of mercury as a preservative for many many years. Now new science points to the absurdity of putting large doses of mercury into the blood stream of small babies and children. Many doctors does not recognize any hazards with using mercury as a preservative still. To recognize/acknowledge this is to confess to poisoning children for decades. The only way to keep their sanity is to refute and deny. (Mercury is being removed in the background now days thank god, but the aluminum chloride is still in the vaccines)

You can apply the same mechanism on every medical change.

 

In regards to vitamin d. Every primate in the wild that we measured vitamin d on has a vitamin d level above 40 ng/ml. African tribes that still spend their time outdoors have above 40 ng/ml. But for humans 20 ng/ml is ok according to conservative medical science, thats how its always been.

I am wondering what the numbers are all about mine don't seem to be the same as yours on the scale they had i was suppose to take D when I was under 70 I think then it went to 50 after taking D3 for a month and the Endo doc said it was just too low a dose take more yuck.. which I ignored not is 20 and the lowest they have is 25 to be deficient and that is why she said I need it maybe I am not so bad yet... maybe I am on the conservative side.  I am going to try to find the paper I just can't recall if she gave me that one or not she usually does give me a copy without me asking now as I am constantly asking for copies. I looked and can't find it just the pth one it on the low side calcium on the higher side but both are in the normal range.  So if it correlates that pth goes up when d is low mine has not gone up so I am fine??? lol what a bunch 

my calcium is 2.46 mmol/l converts to 10 mgdl... 

keeping this calculator here for myself

http://www.endmemo.com/medical/unitconvert/Calcium.php

not sure what units my D was measured in since I can't find the paper was trying to use the chart on this site 

http://www.parathyroid.com/low-vitamin-d.htm

 

I don't exactly fit this either but since you interested in D and know a lot about it already what do you think of this statement from the above linked site.

"To defend the endocrinologists (who mean well, but don't see enough patients with hyperparathyroidism to be "expert" at it... we see 3,500++ patients per year with this problem), it is possible to have LOW vitamin D levels to cause your PTH to go up a very little bit. But this will NEVER increase the calcium in the blood, and the PTH will only go up slightly (like up to 75). Sometimes your endocrinologist will try to give you Vitamin D as a trial... to see if your parathyroid problem is due to low Vitamin D.  The theory is that giving you Vitamin D will cure the cause of the high PTH... and all your labs will go back to normal... They call this "secondary" hyperparathyroidism and they will give you a prescription for high doses of Vitamin D.  HOWEVER, this can be dangerous... if your calcium is above 11.5, the additional Vitamin D can make your calcium go above 12 and we have even seen 4 patients have a stroke because of this, and another 39 patients need to be admitted to the hospital because their calcium was so high (updated 2/13/12)."

 

Just now I am thinking google owns me and i don't like it for now will try to sleep and look at this tomorrow. 

[wulfgar]

Vitamin d is measures in blood in ng/ml (nanograms/milliliter) or nmol/l (nanomol/liter). nmol/l is used in most countries, ng/ml is used in the US. I thought Canada used ng/ml but now i see that they don't, i will use nmol/l . Due to this it is important to always add the unit when discussing vitamin d levels.

 

nmol/liter is 2.5 times higher.

 

Heres the limits for vitamin d.

, , , , , Old range still used , , More modern ranges , , By modern science

, , , , , By bad doctors. , , Used by knowledgable doctors. , , recommended levels

Deficient , , <20 ng/ml or < 50 nmol/l , , <20 ng/ml or < 50 nmol/l , , <30 ng/ml or <75 nmol/l

Insufficient , , - , , 20-30 ng/ml or 50-75 nmol/l , , 30-40 ng/ml or 75-100 nmol/l

Adequate. , , >20 ng/ml or >50 nmol/l , , >30 ng/ml or > 75 nmol/l , , 40-60 ng/ml or 100-150 nmol/l

 

Sources:

Old range:

Ask any old uninterested doctor!

 

Modern ranges:

https://www.endocrine.org/~/media/endosociety/Files/Publications/Clinical%20Practice%20Guidelines/FINAL-Standalone-Vitamin-D-Guideline.pdf

 

Modern science:

http://www.grassrootshealth.net/

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about-vitamin-d/testing-for-vitamin-d/

http://drholick.com

[wulfgar]

Seems like your current vitamin d is 20 nmol/liter. (8 ng/ml), and that is quite low. I was feeling bad at ~50 nmol/liter.

 

Your calcium seems ok. With vitamin d at 20 nmol/liter your pth blood levels would have been of the charts if you had a parathyroid problem so your parathyroid i think should be ok.

 

Definitely eat som salmon and mackerel! Do you want recipe for preparing salmon tasty and easily? Mackerel I'm no good in cooking though. I just eat a canned version in tomato sauce.

[btdt]

I have the test results from the thyroid doc I seen in 2010. 

First apt my D was 70 Second after taking 400mg of Vit D3 most days was 58. 

On the test result sheet they have a rage as follows

25 hydroxy vitamin D 

Deficiency < 25

insufficiency 25 - 75

sufficiency 76-250 

toxicity > 250 

it is measured in  nmol/L 

 

I am assuming my new vit D results is in the same measure tho I still can't find the page. Latest level was 20. 

I had canned salmon today. 

 

I will look for the canned mackerel in tomato.  Yes thank you I would like an easy to prepare tasty salmon recipe. I tried cooking it once a fresh salmon caught in the great lakes it was horrible. It may well have been the salmon I am not up on what is good or poor as far as which type to eat but that one caught was yucky... could have been my cooking. 

I wonder why my D has decided to drop.. and wonder too what the implications are for the pancreas. 

I am still foggy headed and not quite myself.  

This may all start making sense to me soon but just now not so much I will reread it all when my brain comes back online full force. 

[btdt]

I am putting this here so I don't have to search boxes for it again. Same thyroid doc. 24 hour urine collection in case I need it later. 

first test

volume    650 ml/d      creatine 5.5 nmol/d     calcium  2.89 nmol/d  

2 test

volume 1000 ml/d       creatine 8.5                 calcium 3.91

 

The last wk before the second test I took the 400 mg every day just to try and be compliant it made for a horrible month the last was almost unbearable if I had not be hardened already by withdrawal I don't think I would have been able to do the last wk of 400mg.  Withdrawal toughened me up some as trying states of living.

[btdt]

At the time she also did a test called SPEP I think to check for causes of low D and all came back ok excpet low gamma globulin just under the value it should have been.. normal 1-14g/L U was 5 this was before the Vit D at the beginning of treatment. 

 

this is what google says lower values mean " Lower values indicate kidney damage, cancer of lymphocytes, and leukemia." 

 

No further testing was done and I manged to live these four years. So my money is on kidney if I have to pick one and I really don't I like denial. 

[wulfgar]

Low values of gamma globulin can also be caused by poor liver function. You stated earlier that you had some liver tests that where out of range. Im not a doctor, but i do believe that cancers of the blood has quite severe and specific symptoms. Still, the doctors need to follow up on the blood works that was out of range and investigate probable causes!

 

Our liver has the capability in many cases to "heal" its self. It takes time though. There are some dietary guidelines to help with that i believe.

[wulfgar]

Wulfgars preparation and cooking of salmon and trout:

 

500 grams of salmon, trout or arctic char.

 

Salmon, trout and char has some fatty acids that spoils easily when the fish is kept to warm or too long. This causes a overly "fishy" taste. Also the skin of the fish excretes mucus after death that does not taste good. To combat the "fishy" taste do the following. Rinse the fish sides or filet in cold water. Pour some vinegar spirit (non seasoned vinegar) over the fish on both sides and let it drip of. The vinegar will "reset" some of the oxidized "fishy" fatty acids. The vinegar will evaporate when you cook it so there will be no vinegar taste.

 

Put the filet side with the skin down on a cutting board. Use a fork to hold the skin against a cutting board and use filet knife to remove the skin by cutting parallel to the board. Removing the skin makes it taste better.

 

Put salt, lemon pepper and one tea spoon of sugar on each side and let it cure for on hour in room temperature. (or 4-8 hours in the fridge.)

Put it on an oven safe plate. (Optionally put 50-100 grams of butter on the fish makes for tasty gravy, add lemon juice to the gravy). Bake in oven at 200 Celsius till it is 62 degrees inside. If you don't have an oven thermometer, bake for > 15 minutes and check with a fork. If the inside of the fish is changed to milky pink from shiny pink its done.

 

Have pressed potatoes or mashed potatoes with it and don't forget some veggies. I like broccoli and tomatoes.

 

I use a little butter, garlic powder, white pepper in my mashed potatoes. Also some herbal salt.

[btdt]

I like garlic cloves boiled in the potato and mashed together.  I rarely eat them because of the sugar content not good for the liver.  Thank you for the recipe I have frozen trout in the fridge from a family fishing trip.  I love trout I did not know it was good for vitamin D that is a winner.  I just don't get it often last ice fishing trip family went on they were skunked. I am sure the lakes they fish are good which gives me a happy mind about eating it.  The place where I was raised fishing is a big deal and as a child we ate trout often.  I have been saving the trout for when I could share it with a trout lover as it was frozen whole.. it is large but think I will give up and eat it thanks again for the recipe. 

Those lab values were from 4 years ago and they were never followed up I had no family doctor to follow them up... Once I did get one all this was sent to her with my file I took her copies of this file which cost me 30 buck just from this doc.. and he said it was already in her system... guess it is too old for her to both with. I did have recent blood work so guess she is aware what is going on.  Have to have some trust I guess. The gg was not tested again. 

[wulfgar]

Go for the trout. Don't let it waste in the freezer. You will get from 250 IU to maybe a 1000 IU per 100g depending on where the trout comes from. Ocean going trout being the richest i believe. And the omega-3:s, and the good proteins, and ....

 

You could wrap the trout while still in the plastic bag with news papers and let it slowly taw somewhat, cut a portion of if and refreeze. Its easier to cut closer to the freezing point.

 

I fish for ocean going brown trout and salmon, but i haven't been well enough the last years to fish much.

 

I still suggest that you to find a sun bed though! Could be a savior for you. Start out slow, maybe just a few minutes.

[btdt]

I will cook it tomorrow and have left overs think I will cook it all. The more I eat the better.  

Can't decide on that sun bed. 

[btdt]

On a different topic.  I have been vomiting here and there.  Not too big a deal and feeling like I am dragging a ton of bricks behind me.. just some days. I have been having physio paid for by the car insurance I have 3 sessions left. I try to keep up somewhat with life especially physio as I want to be well. 

The therapist the boss one told me I have fascia issues so I looked it up and found the best treatment for it is a type of massage called fascia release we discussed it asked if he knew anyone who did this .. the only one he knows I could not get to.  So I found my own he said he would look around but never mentioned it again.  I told all this to a friend who sent me money to pay for a couple of sessions of massage to see if it would help at all.  I had to wait a long time to get an apt for massage and it is coming up soon.  Last Wed I talked to the physio guy about the coming apt... he now says he does not want to treat me if I am seeing a massage therapist??? wish he had said this sooner.. he says to put my last 3 sessions on hold or use them up to me but he will not see me if I am getting massage. 

This Wed I waited 40 min to get in for physio... I was dragging bricks.. we had this talk and I was waiting for the second stage of the physio to begin. I again was waiting a very long time thinking about all he had said to me.  He and I started out well and over the course of treatment he has given me a  lot of inconsistent treatment plans... when I will be there for how long course of treatment has changed a few time. 

Thinks seemed to change around the time of the pancreatic issues I had to switch my apt to make time for test ect. 

It has not seemed the same since. 

Now the wait and maybe I am making excuses for myself ... but I can't figure this out. What changed ... 

Wed after waiting and learning my treatment he said would go till June is now ending in a wk or two... and refusal to treat me if I see a massage therapist... it all got to me. 

 

While waiting for the second therapist my head was spinning with ideas ... I could not handle it and I got up and left. 

I hate it when I do things like this... as I always have to clean up a mess and it feels like a failure once again which I take personally and hate!  As I was always so stable before this would never happen... I can't think on my feet and when I get too perplexed I run.  That is what I did. I ran. 

 

Came home made and ate dinner which sat well with me for a change as often food does not feel right once I eat it.  I followed the dinner with one bite of pie brought in by a friend and lost my dinner and the pie. 

 

I am thinking I need to sort this out but for the life of me can't make myself call that physio office. I just can't deal mostly I can't figure out what to do... have the massage and not tell him... not have it continue treatment ... put it on hold if I do this insurance may not ok a restart he said it will be at their discretion... 

 

I am so spun today for a few days with this issue I can't figure out an action plan. 

i don't usually put things like this on but I feel I am behind a wall and can't think beyond it stuck some place. It feels like another defeat to even put this on here but I am at a loss. 

 

I can't figure out why I can't think this thru and wonder if I am acting too early if my brain and an answer will just pop in any minute and I will have bothered people here for no reason.  Sometimes it happens I can't think then I can.... it just seems this can't think is going on extra long this time. I am not sure I can wait for it to pass as things need to be decided I just can't decide as I can't work it thru and don't know why. 

 

What an odd set of ideas I have had this so many times but I can always work it thru well not early on but the last few years I have been able to ... I feel like I am back sliding.  Which makes me wonder if i am sick cause that can happen when I am sick. Or is this therapist acting odd... and confusing me.. bit of both maybe either way I hate being stuck maybe putting it in one place will help me sort it ...maybe rereading this will help too. 

[btdt]

Go for the trout. Don't let it waste in the freezer. You will get from 250 IU to maybe a 1000 IU per 100g depending on where the trout comes from. Ocean going trout being the richest i believe. And the omega-3:s, and the good proteins, and ....s

 

You could wrap the trout while still in the plastic bag with news papers and let it slowly taw somewhat, cut a portion of if and refreeze. Its easier to cut closer to the freezing point.

 

I fish for ocean going brown trout and salmon, but i haven't been well enough the last years to fish much.

 

I still suggest that you to find a sun bed though! Could be a savior for you. Start out slow, maybe just a few minutes.

Thanks for the recipe it was nice to try something a bit different I had never had trout with sugar.  I just read thread today I had you mixed up with another person on SA with a similar name.  

I see you experienced insomnia with low Vit d too I do wonder if the reason you noticed better sleep was that your calcium and D were low... just a thought.  I think higher D may allow or help more calcium into you system. Where as my calcium is fine.  I will spare you the links as I am sure you know this already.  

[wulfgar]

Yes, low calcium is an indicator for poor sleep and other strange sx. I think some of my muscle twitching comes from that. The weirdest thing is that my calcium is still a little low now (slightly above the lower ref value), and my vitamin d level is 82 ng/ml, 205 nmol/l. I think my body needs the calcium bad and are still consuming more than i am eating. I have upped my calcium somewhat because of this.

 

I think also that vitamin d helped through Dr Gominak explained effect. http://drgominak.com/sleep/

 

The use of sugar in the recipe comes from the tradition to use salt and sugar to preserve fish for a long time. Fish preserved with salt and sugar where often eaten without cooking later on (raw). Still done in my family for trout and salmon. Adding sugar/salt a few hours before cooking changes the fish meat a little bit i think towards this. I cant remember what this preservation method is called in english.

[btdt]

"

Repair Hor­mones in Slow Wave Sleep

Slow Wave Sleep is called that because the brain wave pat­tern becomes slow, steady and reg­u­lar. As we enter this phase there begins to be a pul­satile release of Growth Hor­mone. This is the same hor­mone we use to grow as chil­dren. In kids the growth hor­mone is a steady flow and they grow, while par­a­lyzed, in deep sleep. In adults this same hor­mone is released in pulses. I believe that this growth hor­mone acts as the “boss hor­mone” call­ing all the spe­cific repair hor­mones; bone, mus­cle, ten­don, joint, vein, hor­mones to come out as a “repair crew” to repair any injury that occurred dur­ing the day. If we move inap­pro­pri­ately dur­ing deep sleep the repair crew has to stop and wait, and some­times they don’t get finished."

From your link above.

It is interesting to me that Taurine a link I posted about it today in taurine for arrhythmia stated it and another supplement cause the release of growth hormones.  The taurine is helping some people in that thread to sleep.   

[btdt]

I am putting this here just so I can keep it..

Vit­a­min defi­cien­cies may cause Sleep Disorders

Vit­a­min D defi­ciency is prob­a­bly the most com­mon hor­mone defi­ciency in today’s mod­ern world. Vit­a­min D used to be thought of as the cal­cium and bone vit­a­min, it is not a vit­a­min. Vit­a­min means, “my body can’t make this chem­i­cal so I need it from my envi­ron­ment”. It is a hor­mone that we make from cho­les­terol on our skin from the sun. D is not in the food, it’s a chem­i­cal we make. If you wanted to get enough from the milk sup­ple­men­ta­tion you would have to drink 1,000 cups a day. D hor­mone is made from the sun to link the body’s metab­o­lism to the length of the day. In the sum­mer, more sun expo­sure and high D hor­mone sig­nals the body to make more mus­cle, make stronger bones, and make the stom­ach work faster. High D sig­nals the body to use all the food we eat to pro­duce energy and build our body instead of stor­ing it. We sleep less but more effi­ciently, so we’re up har­vest­ing our crops or gath­er­ing food. In the win­ter the UVB light goes away and our D level goes lower. Low D sig­nals the body to sleep longer, gain weight and hiber­nate. Hor­mone D is used by every organ in our body to do its job cor­rectly. Peo­ple who are D defi­cient are essen­tially in per­ma­nent win­ter; they get depressed, feel less active, sleep longer but don’t feel rested, they get sick more often and stay sick longer. They all sleep “wrong”. Many peo­ple are both obese and have a sleep dis­or­der because of vit­a­min D deficiency.

[btdt]

when I had the issue of missing bacteria probiotics were given... but will keep this too.

. My expe­ri­ence has been that in order to have the “happy, help­ful” bac­te­ria grow back they appear to need the proper amount of vit­a­min D plus larger doses of B vit­a­mins for about 3 months. At three to four months tak­ing larger doses of B vit­a­mins appears to make the sleep worse again, sug­gest­ing that the B’s are being pro­duced nor­mally by the intesti­nal bac­te­ria and we’re adding to that with our pills. I am cur­rently rec­om­mend­ing to my patients that when they start D they also take B –50 ( all 8 B vit­a­mins, 50 mg each) for three months then stop the B 50 and just con­tinue their mul­ti­vi­t­a­min. I’ve had excel­lent suc­cess with irri­ta­ble bowel symp­toms using this technique.

[btdt]

The last bit hold true at a much shorter time frame I can tolerate very little vit B I had started to break it down into specific different vit B at one point problem being since using a specific vit B can cause a reaction after some time taking same as found by the folks above... only for me it is a much shorter time frame reaction generally start for me within a wk.  

I don't want to keep messing with my body when I need a baseline to work from 

 

On the vit D topic I just read that maybe an allergy to lanolin and or wool could cause a reaction to vit D.  I am thinking of trying cod liver oil vit D from fish and see if that is of any help I can't quite make up my mind ... as my doctor says no to the sun bed.  I may just do the sun bed anyway a few times to see what will happen.  I have been known to feel ill if out in the sun too much but this may be because anything in the extreme makes me feel ill and off center.  I can't tolerate extremes not too hot or too cold or too much of anything odd there are times I am in the extreme range of heat in I am too hot or too cold.  It seems to come and go... I have these extremes when others around me are fine with the temperature.  Just like menopause and I am lucky I am a woman and can use the menopause card in social situation.. I am sure this is harder for men as they don't have menopause to blame it on. 

[btdt]

Tanned yesterday for 3-4 minutes not sure how long or how often to go. 

I slept did not notice any change at this point or at this length of time in the booth. 

[wulfgar]

Fantastic!

 

In regards to cod liver oil. Be somewhat careful with that. It contains about 10 times the amount of vitamin a than vitamin d.

Have you written down the brand and model of light tubes to check for the amount of uvb?

[btdt]

This may be a clue for me later when I can think better...

We know that unless you are a ginger or an emo, chronic exposure to UVR increases our skin pigmentation (tanning) (my ability to tan and hold some colour has increased no end since switching to a paleo lifestyle).  I knew that tanning was largely mediated by UVB radiation and it was my understanding that UVA, with its ability to penetrate more deeply into the skin and well beyond the layers where melanocytes produce the tanning pigment, melanin, played very little part in the tanning process.  Perhaps not…

There are three phases of tanning: immediate pigment darkening (IPD), persistent pigment darkening (PPD) and delayed tanning (DT).

IPD occurs during the first minutes of exposure to UVA, and then fades within few hours. PPD appears within hours of higher doses of UVA exposure and persist up to several days or weeks. DT develops over 3–7 days after UVB exposure, and then remains for weeks.

So the darkening of our skin that we appreciate when we are trying to tan is very much part of the delayed tanning process, and relates to UVB exposure.  The more immediate tanning reactions, IPD and PPD (which I can’t say I tend to get much of with my skin type), are mediated more by UVA exposure, and partly by the production of reactive oxygen radicals (you generally don’t want too many of these larking about in your body).

High doses of UV radiation (be it from the sun or from artificial sources, such as tanning beds), can lead to redness and burning, both localised and systemic immunosuppression (which can be both good and bad), DNA damage, ageing of the skin, and the initiation of cancer.  The skin isn’t without its defences though, adapting to chronic UV exposure by increasing the production of tanning pigments, thickening of the skin (the horny layer), increasing antioxidant defences, increasing DNA repair mechanisms, and secretion of inflammatory cytokines to kickstart an immune response.

While UVA and UVB-derived tans are visually identical, it is only the UVB-pigmentation that offers much in the way of protection against further photodamage to DNA, and to sunburn.  The protection of this tan is equivalent to using a SPF 2-3 sunscreen.  The UVA-derived tan is not photoprotective in the sense that we would consider our UVB tan to be.    Instead it is hypothesized that the immediate changes in skin pigmentation stimulated by UVA radiation is an attempt to protect many of the photosensitive compounds we have near the skin surface, including the likes of folates and B-group vitamins.  When these compounds are hit by photons of UVA spectrum light, they can generate reactive oxygen and nitrogen species that can cause damage by themselves or enhance the damaging effects of UVB radiation.  The UVA-induced immediate pigment darkening my be an attempt to protect these photosensitive compounds from photo-oxidation.

to figure out when I need to go back for another "tan"  tho my skin did not react at all. 

http://thatpaleoguy.com/2012/05/04/beyond-vitamin-d-beneficial-effects-of-life-under-the-sun/

[btdt]

The lady I talked to did not know anything about the bulbs other than they were Electric not magnetic and that took me many phone calls and a visit to find out.  I was told the owner who knows about such things is on vacation. Due back next wk.  I guess it is profitable to own a tanning salon enough to have an extended vacation in winter she has been away a long time already.  

Plus I did not ask that question so the fault lies with me... the girl working there does get phone calls and questions answered I did not ask her to ask that question.  

I am not sure what effect as I am trying for as per the article above and have a difficult time thinking just now... can't recall information I just read.  Going slow inch by inch here.

[btdt]

I did not try the cod liver oil yet as I want to be able to be aware of what is causing changes should one occur.  I will do one thing at a time to not mess up my understanding of cause and effect. 

[btdt]

for later reference 

1,25-Dihydroxyvitamin D₃ Induces Nitric Oxide Synthase and Suppresses Growth of Mycobacterium tuberculosis in a Human Macrophage-Like Cell Line

1. Kirk A. Rockett1,^*, 
2. Roger Brookes2, 
3. Irina Udalova1, 
4. Vincent Vidal1,
5. Adrian V. S. Hill2 and 
6. Dominic Kwiatkowski1

+Author Affiliations

1. Molecular Infectious Disease Group1 and the
2. Molecular Immunology Group,2 Institute of Molecular Medicine, John Radcliffe Hospital, Oxford, United Kingdom

ABSTRACT

Inducible synthesis of nitric oxide (NO) by macrophages is an important mechanism of the host defense against intracellular infection in mice, but the evidence for significant levels of inducible NO production by human macrophages is controversial. Here we report that the human promyelocytic cell line HL-60, when differentiated to a macrophage-like phenotype, acquires the ability to produce substantial amounts of NO on stimulation with LPS or 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D₃ (1,25-D₃) in the absence of activating factors such as gamma interferon. Expression of the inducible nitric oxide synthase (NOS2) was confirmed by sequencing of the reverse transcription-PCR product from stimulated HL-60 cells. Kinetic studies after lipopolysaccharide stimulation show that NOS2 mRNA levels rise within 3 to 6 h, that conversion of [¹⁴C]arginine to [¹⁴C]citrulline is maximal at 5 to 6 days, and that levels of reactive nitrogen intermediates stabilize at around 20 μM at 7 to 8 days. We find that 1,25-D₃ acts to suppress the growth of Mycobacterium tuberculosis in these cells and that this effect is inhibited byN ^G-monomethyl-L-arginine, suggesting that vitamin D-induced NO production may play a role in the host defense against human tuberculosis.

[btdt]

later use

Foods rich in nitrate like fish, nuts, legumes, cheese, milk, spinach, kale, beets and herbs like Hawthorne can also help supply the body with these building blocks as well as other nutrients. There are a lot of foods and even classified diets like the Mediterranean Diet, that have nitric oxide boosting foods in them.

[Wolfhound]

Btdt, I just wanted to stop by and say hello. Hope you are doing fine. Your writing has been immensely helpful to me. Thank you. W.

[btdt]

On the vit D I tried taking it with K2 for about 2 wks straight on the 40mg... had a melt down and had to stop it ... I was confused could not make sense of things an was over whelmed. As so much else is going on I can`t be sure it was just the Vit D but it is what happens when I take it ... a cumulative effect that and I can`t sleep ect... off it again have not been back for a tan either.   feel like tanning hit me different but was still there must besome reason D and I do not get along some day it will come to light just so far no reason. 

[btdt]

Btdt, I just wanted to stop by and say hello. Hope you are doing fine. Your writing has been immensely helpful to me. Thank you. W.

Thank you Wolfhound at one point I had you and Wolfgar mixed up you may have seen that in one of my posts peace to you... take good care and keep on keeping on it gets better. 

[btdt]

What do you think of a supplement that claims to provide the following for every SIX tablets ( IOW you have to take 6 tablets to get the following):

 

Eight capsules supply:

• Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxal-5-Phosphate)50 mg
• Chromium (from Chromium Picolinate)1,000 mcg
• Vitamin C (Ascorbic acid)1,000 mg
• Folic Acid (Vitamin B9)400 mcg
• Calcium (from calcium citrate)1,000 mg
• Magnesium (from magnesium citrate)500 mg
• dl-Phenylalanine2,000 mg
• L-Glutamine750 mg
• L-Tyrosine1500 mg
• 5-Hydroxy L-Tryptophan150 mg
• Rhodiola rosea200 mg
• (Standardized to 3:1 ratio of 3% rosavins and 1% salidrosides)
•  

Just curious about what those of you more informed think. I saw a CNHP today & she recommended.

 

Did you try this?  I am particularly interested in the chromium picolinate.  Anyone try it?

[Altostrata]

btdt, you can't tell the effect of one ingredient from taking a mixed supplement.
 

I would be wary of mixed supplements, particularly those that contain B vitamins. If you have a bad reaction, you won't know which ingredient caused it. A lot of people have bad reactions to various B vitamins.

[btdt]

 

btdt, you can't tell the effect of one ingredient from taking a mixed supplement.

 

I would be wary of mixed supplements, particularly those that contain B vitamins. If you have a bad reaction, you won't know which ingredient caused it. A lot of people have bad reactions to various B vitamins.

 

Yes I agree and would not take all them together myself I want to know about the chronium mostly as it was suggested at this site http://isepp.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/gracepresentation.pdf

 

It states this 

"Chromium picolinate is another insulin sensitizer that reduces body weight and 

lowers glucose and fats in the bloodstream. Via these mechanisms, it has been 

proposed as a potential supplement in the treatment of diabetes-related dementias"

 

So far I have not had a decent review on this supplement by any person who has stopped taking Ads. 

[btdt]

I have avoided Bs a long time would not toy with them even now. 

[cymbaltawithdrawal5600]

Just wanted to tell you how much I admire you for trying to help Iggy. You've been through a lot and I think you have a greater affinity for her intense suffering. My period of intense akasthisia didn't last long last year, if it was still ongoing by now I am not entirely sure I would still be here. The memory of it is getting dimmer. I worked hard to hang on. My main issue now is sleep. Your stories give me hope.

[btdt]

Thanks C5 do you like that C5?  I like it. 

I know one thing you can't let it win... just keep going no matter what...if that means bed it means bed. 

Akasthisia followed by sleep sounds about right.  

I am glad to leave hope in my wake now it was not always that way believe me it was dark bitter anger despair.. and I think it was caused by neurology as much as chemistry inside the brain.. why I am not so fast to give up on anyone ... I truly did not think I would ever see a day like I am seeing today and today I am not as good as I was before that accident.  I see the odd person all the time on withdrawal sites just like Iggy they are stuck but if they stay alive long enough they will heal to the point where they see things differently.  I know getting stuck sucks it sucks for everyone involved but it sucks more for the person stuck than it does for anyone else in part because others who have not been stuck don't understand and it seems some are just being negative I don't think it is but even if it were exactly that I would approach it the same way... maybe my work with disable kids taught me something.. patients...kindness or maybe I already had those and just developed them more working with kids.. I miss kids. 

At one point that thought hit me and I decided to wait it out... no matter what I had to do I was going to win as in stay alive and see what would happen next... I did not expect to heal as much as I have... and at one point healing to this point would have been a huge disappointment but I have adapted my wants and goals a Lot over the years. 

When I was having sleep issues I would allow myself to sleep whenever I could.  I did from time to time find I was at odds with the rest of the world and did not always like it but I felt my heath was being affected by days in a row with no sleep so if sleep came it was the priority and I just took it. At that point I was not well enough to do much anyway and when I slept it was more of a crash and a coma.

If you can sleep at all fine it will go up and down from time to time so expect it. If you can't sleep try to relax and use the time to be at peace if you can... this took me some time to learn.

I still have sleep issues from time to time and often nap still I can't say this will ever really end and be a normal sleep pattern but it is better than it was I am not constantly thinking about sleep and that is a relief. I think this will come in time like all other things.

And thank you again it is nice to be appreciated.  

[Nikki]

no matter what I had to do I was going to win as in stay alive and see what would happen next... I did not expect to heal as much as I have... and at one point healing to this point would have been a huge disappointment but I have adapted my wants and goals a Lot over the years.

 

This jumped out at me while reading your post.  You are a survivor.

[btdt]

no matter what I had to do I was going to win as in stay alive and see what would happen next... I did not expect to heal as much as I have... and at one point healing to this point would have been a huge disappointment but I have adapted my wants and goals a Lot over the years.

 

This jumped out at me while reading your post.  You are a survivor.

survivor I looked it up sometimes words hit me funny... so I look them up 

 

a person who survives, esp. a person remaining alive after an event in which others have died.

 

"one who has a knack for pulling through adversity"

 

a person who continues to function or prosper in spite of opposition, hardship, or setbacks.

 

I guess I am one.  I am here.  I am functional depending on how you define the word.  Prosper that makes me laugh nope not doing that. 

 

not what I aspired to be... yet until I get this settled all the normal life things I wanted wait till I have the nerve and stamina until I am beyond this.  I know the life I want is not the one behind the withdrawal wall yet I still seek out things behind this wall to sustain me as it is my only chance to win and get beyond the ww... withdrawal wall.. 

 

I feel this may never happen but I may be wrong as I did  not think I would ever get this far so maybe... 

 

I was not sure of the word Nikki was not sure I liked being called that despite the name of the site another label lol

but it seems mostly true adapt and survive