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Slimpenguin: PSSD & brain fog after antidepressants and thyroid meds

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slimpenguin

Hi guys,

 

I'm a 24 year old french guy suffering from what I believe to be PSSD.

 

 

Here's my story:

 

Late 2012 - I was diagnosed with depression and went on citalopram for 1 month, followed by Cymbalta for 1 month. The meds slightly numbed my penis, even after discontinuation.

2013 - I went on different meds that made no impact on my depression nor sex drive, as they don't target serotonin (Abilify, Valdoxan, Solian, Wellbutrin, Lamictal). Only spent a handful of weeks on any given one of these. My penis was still slightly numbed by mid-2013, from the initial S(N)RIs.

I then took an old MAOI antidepressant called Marsilid(Iproniazid) for around 4 months. The numbness in my penis got noticeably worse. I still had a libido but orgasms were very weak, it was harder to maintain an erection. I decided to quit psychiatric meds in december 2013.

April 2014 - the penile numbness was still there and orgasms were still weak, no sign of improvement.

 

ENTER THE THYROID MEDS.

 

I took some thyroid meds (Armour thyroid) without a doctor's consent to see if it would help with my depression, although I had no thyroid problem. Looking back it was stupid, but I was depressed and desperate, plus I had read somewhere that T3 hormones were sometimes given as treatment for depression.That's when my libido took a massive dive, along with my ability to achieve erections, feel pleasure in life, and focus on mental tasks. I only stayed 6 weeks on the thyroid pills.

Since discontinuation of everything around 18 months ago, the PSSD hasn't gotten better. I had to drop out of a prestigious university program because of my lack of an ability to focus on mentally-demanding tasks 9 months ago. I used to be an intelligent student with a great memory, but now I feel dumbed down. Paying attention to what people say during a conversation has become a little challenge in itself. Dropping out was devastating for my self-esteem.

 

Concerning the sexual SEs, I am unable to be turned on by naked women like I used to be. I require heavy physical stimulation to even start feeling a little tingle of pleasure. Orgasms are pleasureless, and I've lost all ejaculatory strength. The semen just seems to slowly come out and dribble nowadays, whereas it used to to be propelled with great strength before. The numbness is crazy - I have a harder time even just feeling my own urine flowing inside my penis when I take a leak. Concerning erections, I am unable to keep them up during sex.

 

As for pleasure in life in general, it's like it has been turned down. Watching movies used to make me thrilled, but now I no longer feel any sense of amazement during cool action sequences. Music doesn't move me like it used to. The touch of a woman no longer excites me, as if my skin had become less sensitive. I saw some PSSD posters on some website mentioning their skin felt like "rubber" and I think I get the feeling.

 

I did some blood tests to see if my hormones (thyroid, testosterone, DHEA, and other stuff) were out of balance, but the results came back just fine. My theory is that the serotonergic side of the thyroid meds, on top of the previous SSRIs and MAOI screwed something in my brain, and I will need time to recover. I've seen a couple hormone specialists that have told me that thyroid meds don't bring these nasty effects on their own, and whatever effect they bring should disappear upon treatment discontinuation.

 

I saw the Admin Altostrata mentioning time and time again that experimenting with meds to cure PSSD was dangerous and could potentially make matters worse, so I'll stick to taking nothing. Plus, the fact that thyroid meds made me a lot worse can serve as an example to illustrate the argument.

 

 

Anyways, the past is the past. I hope I will get better, and will post every once in a while to update my progress (or lack thereof).

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ChessieCat

Hi SlimPenguin,

 

Welcome to SA.  I'm sorry about the problems you have ended up with but unfortunately from what I have read around this site it is not uncommon.

 

It would be helpful if you could put your drug history in your signature.  This will give the context of drugs, doses and dates.

 

I can't comment on the thyroid medication side effects, and you have not given a date when you started them.  However, the worsening of your PSSD could be from withdrawal of the previous ADs.  Please see  Protracted Withdrawal or PAWS (post-acute withdrawal syndrome) how long does it last?

 

This is a very supportive community and there is plenty of information contained in this site.  Ask any questions you have in this Topic (click Follow this Topic top right) and use it as a journal of your progress.

 

Someone should be along soon who may have some suggestions.  CC

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slimpenguin

Hi SlimPenguin,

 

Welcome to SA.  I'm sorry about the problems you have ended up with but unfortunately from what I have read around this site it is not uncommon.

 

It would be helpful if you could put your drug history in your signature.  This will give the context of drugs, doses and dates.

 

I can't comment on the thyroid medication side effects, and you have not given a date when you started them.  However, the worsening of your PSSD could be from withdrawal of the previous ADs.  Please see  Protracted Withdrawal or PAWS (post-acute withdrawal syndrome) how long does it last?

 

This is a very supportive community and there is plenty of information contained in this site.  Ask any questions you have in this Topic (click Follow this Topic top right) and use it as a journal of your progress.

 

Someone should be along soon who may have some suggestions.  CC

Thanks.

 

I updated my signature to summarize my medication history. I only took thyroid hormones for a period of 6 weeks, starting in april 2014. Since then PSSD has gotten a hell of a lot worse, so I believe there's a link.

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Fresh

Hi Slimpenguin , thanks for doing your signature.

 

I see your focus is largely on your sexual function , yet you mention a bunch of other

symptoms consistent with protracted ssri withdrawal as well.

 

" I had to drop out of a prestigious university program because of my lack of an ability to focus on mentally-demanding tasks 9 months ago. I used to be an intelligent student with a great memory, but now I feel dumbed down. Paying attention to what people say during a conversation has become a little challenge in itself"

"As for pleasure in life in general, it's like it has been turned down. Watching movies used to make me thrilled, but now I no longer feel any sense of amazement during cool action sequences. Music doesn't move me like it used to."

" Brain fog is the most annoying effect"

 

 

The experience of many on this forum in a similar situation is that symptoms continue to

resolve over time , and it's most likely that they will for you too.

 

Best wishes , Fresh

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themasterpiece

Man, yours and mine is the same story. The only difference being my testosterone is 165ng/dl.

I also dropped out of my MBA from a very presrigious university. Agter cold turkey withdrawal from SSRIs, I took so,e height increasing supplement which had messed me up to this day.

You can read my story "is this due to SSRIs?"

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reachingforthestars

Hi!

 

How much did you take Armour daily? Armour and other thyroid medications affect CNS too and from my experience they can make you really wired if you take even little too much.

 

Take care!

 

R

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slimpenguin

It's now been over 2 years since I stopped taking any meds. No improvement in the sexual department: my penis is still semi-numb, and my libido close to unnoticeable. It has allowed me to abstain from masturbation for 7 months in a row, and I don't miss it.

 

As much as I would like to recover, I'm no longer bugged by my PSSD. I've learned to let go of the things I cannot control, and focus instead on the things I can have an impact on. A life of rumination is no way to live. I've learned to be OK with the prospect of never experiencing enjoyable sex for the rest of my life. Whether it actually turns out this way or not, only time will tell.

 

It's easy to become obsessed with the things that you lack, forgetting that there are many enjoyable things in your life that you take for granted. I spend more time outside, in nature. I make it a point to avoid screens for too long. I create new goals for myself, I make sure I sleep well, I exercise, and I eat right. I've also started meditating.

 

PSSD and depression have forced me to look at my life to analyze which junk activities should be removed from my daily routine, and replaced with new ones. My lifestyle has never been healthier than it currently is.

 

 

Hi!

 

How much did you take Armour daily? Armour and other thyroid medications affect CNS too and from my experience they can make you really wired if you take even little too much.

 

Take care!

 

R

60mg for 3 weeks, then bumped it to 90mg for 3 weeks. Something along those lines. It's been a long time since I quit.

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reachingforthestars

Do you feel that anhedonia has alleviated?

 

 

 

It's easy to become obsessed with the things that you lack, forgetting that there are many enjoyable things in your life that you take for granted. I spend more time outside, in nature. I make it a point to avoid screens for too long. I create new goals for myself, I make sure I sleep well, I exercise, and I eat right. I've also started meditating.

 

This all sounds to me that your anhedonia has started to alleviate!! 

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slimpenguin

Do you feel that anhedonia has alleviated?

 

 

 

It's easy to become obsessed with the things that you lack, forgetting that there are many enjoyable things in your life that you take for granted. I spend more time outside, in nature. I make it a point to avoid screens for too long. I create new goals for myself, I make sure I sleep well, I exercise, and I eat right. I've also started meditating.

 

This all sounds to me that your anhedonia has started to alleviate!! 

Yea it's definitely not as bad as it used to be. I believe it's connected to the lifestyle changes I've made. I used to spend way too much time indoors, watching youtube/TV, browsing the internet, playing with my phone, eating sugary stuff... When I got rid of all that instant gratification, I started getting more accustomed to "natural rewards" for my brain. So yea, I do find myself able to appreciate some of the simpler things in life.

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reachingforthestars

Yep, sometimes healing happens and we just don't notice it since we just keep thinking of what is still missing. You are on your way! 

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potions

How are you doing now slimpenguin?

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frasier23

@slimpenguin hope yourre better today slim

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