downtongirl: I want to become med-free

[Fresh]

You're going to be okay downtongirl. You've given it a really good shot , but suffering to this

extent is no good at all.

Have you read the thread on reinstating here http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/7562-about-reinstating-and-stabilizing-to-reduce-withdrawal-symptoms/ ?

 

Start with a teeny dose - 1mg , and see how you respond. Give it at least 4 days before increasing it.

If you have a bad reaction in the first 24 hours , don't take any more.

 

Do you have any more prozac 10mg tabs?

To get 1mg , mix a 10mg tablet with 10mls of water , and draw up 1ml into an oral syringe.

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/2693-how-to-make-a-liquid-from-tablets-or-capsules/

[downtongirl]

I have a bottle of the 5 milligram solution with a dropper how do I get 1 milligram out if the dropper and how long before I should know if it will help

[Fresh]

You may feel some relief within a couple of hours . . . maybe not for a few days , it's a very

individual thing.

 

I'm not familiar with the liquid . . . how did you measure 5mg? It may equate to 1 or 2 drops

(I'm guessing here).

Someone else may have a better answer , if not then use your best judgement. The important thing

will be to take the same amount each day.

[downtongirl]

I figured it out...1.25 ml is equal to 1/4 teaspoon

[Rose9975]

Welcome ????☺

[downtongirl]

Just took 1.25 ml and am scared to death but I don't know what else to go I have tried supplements roughing it out etc

[Fresh]

DG , I waited 11 months after a too-fast taper before reinstating. I promise you , months 3-11

things got continually worse. After so many years , you're doing yourself a big service by trying

to reinstate. Hopefully it will enable you to get well and get your life back , and then you can

taper down slowly without debilitating symptoms.

Obviously , I wish I had reinstated sooner. Lesson learned.

 

[downtongirl]

DG , I waited 11 months after a too-fast taper before reinstating. I promise you , months 3-11things got continually worse. After so many years , you're doing yourself a big service by tryingto reinstate. Hopefully it will enable you to get well and get your life back , and then you cantaper down slowly without debilitating symptoms.Obviously , I wish I had reinstated sooner. Lesson learned.

 

How long after you reinstated before you felt better

[Fresh]

I don't remember exactly to be honest. But after 3 weeks of meds. I went from needing full-time

care for 5 months , to being able to look after myself and my dog again. The fear went away.

I could organize shopping and meals and walks. it just got better from there , so I waited 8 months

before beginning to taper. Now I've gone from 50mg to 22.5mg pristiq and am doing better than i have

for years.

 

You have a plan now , so your job is to wait it out , just one hour at a time. Do whatever you can

that distracts you . . . t.v. , youtube , cleaning , colouring in , relaxation tracks , anything.

You've done so well to get to this point, keep doing whatever has been helping you.

 

[downtongirl]

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Can carb, caffeine, aspartame, withdrawal mimic anti d withdrawal?

Reason I am asking is there is a pattern with me....exercise for a rew days, cut back on carbs or cut out diet soda and I have withdrawals that are exactly like anti d withdrawals...days that I have multiple bowel movements withdrawal can flare up.....think it has anything tondo with the gut?

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[downtongirl]

So you had come completely off of pristiq and reinstated at the original dosage?

[nz11]

DTG i am sorry you are not coping.

 

I dont want to scare you but i thought i would just check something ...

 

I would like you to confirm what it says on the bottle of prozac liquid is  it 5ml :5mg solution or is it something else  'x' mg per 'y' ml (what is the 'x' and the 'y' ?do you know?)

 

You say you have a 5mg solution .....you may well be correct or is it a 5 ml soultion.  If it is a 5ml soltn how many mg are in it?

 

Prozac i read comes in a concentrate,  20mg per 5 ml solution.

 

Yours may be different but can you check it please ...check the ?mg per ? ml thats in the solute. It should be written on the bottle.

 

Im sorry but its not accurate enough to use a teaspoon to measure...bucket chemistry wont suffice.

 

If it should be that you do have the concentrate and you have now taken 1.25 ml (?) then you have in fact taken 5mg.

 

(You may have taken in excess of 5mg....if my teaspoon measuring ability is anything to go by....hence If i am correct then it may well pay to get a syringe (if you dont have one your pharmacy will) and measure accurately what is left over (assuming the 5ml liquid was untouched prior to this)...tell me what amount of liquid is left over and i will tell you how many mg you took in the teaspoon.)

 

If you made up your own and you are sure of what you are doing then ignore this post.

[primekittycat]

When I cut back carbs, I always feel tired/out of it for the first few days (look up the "carb flu"). I'm sure it's the same for cutting out diet soda (with caffeine and aspartame).

[Sarabera]

If you are cutting back caffeine suddenly, then you will definitely feel it. I would suggest tapering it a bit rather than suddenly cutting it off. If you cut back carbs severely, like less than 60g per day, you can also get the "carb flu" as primekitty says, this is fairly easy to solve by drinking bullion to replenish electrolytes. That low a level might also trigger insomnia in some sensitive people (like me!). Once again it is probably best to step down your carb level, and don't go too low if you are having issues. The gut is also sensitive to serotonin levels, so it is not surprising that changes in bowel function mirror withdrawal symptoms.

[downtongirl]

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I am having bouts of time spans where I can't quit shaking especially my legs....I have chills with it to.

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[downtongirl]

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Anyone ever try a supplement powder called relax max or calm recharge?

 

I went to a naturopath dr today and she suggested I try one of these...

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[downtongirl]

Update I spoke to psych dr and he dies not want me to reinstate Prozac instead take hydroxyzine until I see him tomorrow. I also went to see a naturopath and she has suggested a few thins two of which are supplement powders called relax max and calm recharge...if I do not fully reinstate I may try one of these...any thoughts...should I try natural supplement powder before fully reinstating?

[nz11]

Thanks for the update

 

Sounds like you have found a fresh supply of resolve to continue the fight.

 

Let us know how it goes.

[downtongirl]

*topic moved from symptoms forum Do you build up tolerance to natural supplements

Like you do antidepressants?

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[downtongirl]

Please help should I ask psych dr to reinstate me at 5 or 10 mg or should I try natural supplements or something like propranolol or lyrica?

[brassmonkey]

RelaxMax is made up of stuff we regularly recommend here that is all available OTC and probably at a much better price.  Also this is a blend of supplements.  We don't recommend using blends because if you have a bad reaction to one of the ingredients it is very hard to figure out which one is causing the problems. It is only marketed through practitioners which to me is a warning sigh. 

 

  Amount Per Serving % Daily Value

Magnesium (as Albion^® di-magnesium malate)

75 mg 19%

myo-Inositol

2 g **

Taurine

500 mg **

GABA (gamma-aminobutyric acid)

100 mg **

L-Theanine (SunTheanine^®)

50 mg **

 

** Daily Values not established

 

The Calm Recharge is another blend that contains a lot of stimulants which are not good for people in WD/Recovery. Also at $76 for a two week supply it would get very expensive very fast.

 

I couldn't recommend either of these.

[downtongirl]

Thank you for your reply

[AliG]

Hi Downtgirl,

Even though supplements can be helpful at times, they are not going to help with your withdrawal symptoms.  Reinstatement is the only action you can take to help settle your symptoms down. Propranolol and Lyrica, can cause problems.  I think if you stick to your plan of reinstatement , at a small dose of 1- 5mg and then see how you go . Starting off on a low dose is a good idea, as you don't know how sensitive your C.N.S is now.. It's a good idea to keep a journal to track your symptoms and progress over the next couple of weeks. It will take at least 4 days minimum, to achieve  a steady blood state. If this is what you decide to do, I hope it goes well. Please keep us informed.

Ali.

[Fresh]

It's been night time in Australia DG . . . what effect did the prozac have on you?

 

You don't need a psychiatrist to do your own reinstatement - just a doc. to provide scripts.

The only risk of starting at 5mg is that you MAY have an adverse reaction and will have

increased symptoms for a few days if that happens.

The lower the dose you can stabilize at the better in the long run.

 

AliG is exactly correct: supplements might take the edge off low-grade w/d symptoms , but they can't stop the whole package.

 

To answer your question about my reinstatement , please see my first post here

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8452-freshs-fractured-fairytale-how-much-can-a-koala-bear/page-1

 

It was complicated because I was so sick I believed I would never recover and requested to go

to hospital (first time ever) so that they could organize a long-term institution for me.

[downtongirl]

Hi Downtgirl,

Even though supplements can be helpful at times, they are not going to help with your withdrawal symptoms.  Reinstatement is the only action you can take to help settle your symptoms down. Propranolol and Lyrica, can cause problems.  I think if you stick to your plan of reinstatement , at a small dose of 1- 5mg and then see how you go . Starting off on a low dose is a good idea, as you don't know how sensitive your C.N.S is now.. It's a good idea to keep a journal to track your symptoms and progress over the next couple of weeks. It will take at least 4 days minimum, to achieve  a steady blood state. If this is what you decide to do, I hope it goes well. Please keep us informed.

Ali.

Hey gold star thanks for your response...after taking the new magnesium glycine the and new fish oil the symptoms are a little better...you don't think the supplements can get me through?

[downtongirl]

Ok so I am planning on begging my doctor to reinstate me on Prozac when I quit I was taking 10 mg I have 5 mg solution at home I took one 5 mg dosage this morning with no positive results...should I start off at the 5 mg and how long before I will have some relief?

[downtongirl]

I am going to ask him to reinstate the Prozac but he does not believe this is withdrawal and he was talking like he wanted to try me on something different...if he won't reinstate the Prozac do I try another med instead? He is the best psychiatrist in the area so I don't want to loose him

[ChessieCat]

Even if he is the best psychiatrist in the world, your health is in your hands not his.  As a patient of any doctor we have the right and responsibility to ourselves to do what WE think is best.  I think (and this is just my opinion) to change meds at this time would be very foolish and setting you up for plenty of trouble.

 

Have you read How do you talk to a doctor about tapering and withdrawal? & What should I expect from my doctor about withdrawal symptoms?

 

BTW I really like my GP (who I have been seeing for 30 years) and I really liked my psychologist BUT both of them have put me on ADs and my GP wanted me to alternate doses!!!  It doesn't stop me from liking him BUT I do take my health seriously and research and make my own decisions regarding whether I will take his advice.

 

CC

[AliG]

Downtongirl, I know this can seem overwhelming and confusing ,at times. This is not an exact science and everyone is different in their reactions to these drugs. There are never any guarantees with reinstatement. However, I think it's worth starting a low dose, and monitoring your symptoms . If you have a bad reaction , you can stop immediately. I do think it is worth trying. I would read through this link on reinstatement again, and see what you think .

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/7562-about-reinstating-and-stabilizing-to-reduce-withdrawal-symptoms/

Ali

[KarenB]

Hey Downtongirl,

 

I just merged your post from symptoms to here since it's specifically about your situation.  The other forums are for more general thoughts/comments on things. 

 

Chessie had really good thoughts for you regarding your psychiatirst.  It's also worth noting that a new med will also bring it's own set of problems. 

 

If he won't reinstate Prozac, instead of trying another med what about trying another doctor?  All you need is someone who is willing to prescribe - and there is apparently no shortage of such doctors .  Remember - you are in charge of you, and it is you who should be making this informed decision, not anybody else.

 

Wishing you a strong sense of self for the appointment,

Karen

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[KarenB]

On average it can take 4 days for a change in dose to register in your system.  One dose is definitely not enough to bring change. 

 

I would start of with 5mg and track symptoms on paper for a while.  If you start to get relief, you know that's a good dose for you.  If after 4 days or a week there is no improvement whatsoever, you could consider moving to a higher dose, but maybe discuss here first if you want more input at that time. 

[Mort81]

Ive had this. There is a thread on it somewhere here. Dont know what its called.

[Skyler]

Use the search function at for this forum or enter the following in Google.. survivingantidepressants.org: supplements  There are several threads on supplements. You can ask your question on those threads.

 

Thanks

[Skyler]

Please ask your question on one of the threads that is already devoted to supplements.  Using Google is an effective way to do find them: survivingantidepressants.org: supplements  There are several topics about this on the forum.  

 

The forum gets bloated with redundant threads and this makes locating relevant information difficult, so please use the search to find out if there is already a relevant topic.  If everyone started a new thread for every question they had, the forum would be impossible to navigate. You started in the neighborhood of SEVEN new threads in the symptoms and self-care forum yesterday; this is VERY excessive.  Please search for relevant information yourself, as opposed to relying on others to do this for you.

[Petunia]

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I am having bouts of time spans where I can't quit shaking especially my legs....I have chills with it to.

 

I moved this topic you started to your own thread. This is the place to ask these kinds of questions. Or search for the answer yourself.

 

When you have a question or comment about a specific symptom, supplement or treatment, please search to see if we already have a related topic, we usually do.  Then you can benefit from previously collected information and add to the discussion.  This keeps the site organized with all available knowledge in one thread, easily accessible through searches.

 

The search function on this site doesn't work very well.  The best way to search this site for specific information  is to use your favorite search engine. Type in survivingantidepressants.org then the symptom, treatment, supplement or information you wish to search for.

 

Downtongirl, please stop creating lots of new topics in the symptoms forum, you are making a lot of work for us as we have to keep moving them.

 

Here are the topics you are looking for: tremors, shaking, body vibration - Surviving Antidepressants

 

Body Temperature Dysregulation: fever, chills, shivering, too ...

[Petunia]

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Anyone ever try a supplement powder called relax max or calm recharge?

 

I went to a naturopath dr today and she suggested I try one of these...

 

downtongirl, please ask these kinds of questions in your own thread or use search. I moved this thread from the symptoms forum. Please see brassmonkey's reply above.

 

Good luck with your appointment, and as others have said, any doctor can prescribe Prozac if you have decided you want to try reinstatement.

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