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AppleOfSodom

Especially when it's someone who has never attempted suicide in the past.

Can we report to government agencies in behalf of that person? What if that person hasn't reported its WD symptoms, can we do it on our name?

And can we contact the agency to ask if there's a record under the name of that person (in case we don't know if he/she reported it already). I'm guessing they wouldn't give us that info...?

It's very disturbing to me to just shrug shoulders and move on when this happens.

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Fresh

You've brought up an interesting conundrum Apple.  I agree , it should be officially reported in some way.

 

Perhaps Altostrata can liase with Rxisk.org to ask what their administration suggests?

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stan

in France,

 

when someone died, a doctor has to come and make a paper of death, and cause of death, natural or not, and it is for him to fill paper of poison death pills he prescribed, but it is always a natural death(a death from the sickness of the patient which has been worse and not side-effects of the amount of pills he prescribed)

our speech has no value, it is a professional who has to fill paper, even when lawyer, it is specialist who speak, psychiatrist etc

and a doctor is not allowed to criticize the treatment of a colleague, he has always to approve a colleague treatment, but he is allowed to change a treatment of a colleague, double doses, add antipsychotics etc...the joke is playing since years...the psychotropics in France are kind pills, they save life every second

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JanCarol

Rxisk.  Antidepaware.  

 

But here's the thing:  privacy laws.  If it were my own husband, could I report it to the government medical watchdog agencies?  Not unless he has signed medical power of attorney to me.

 

That stuff - what Robin Williams was on - what I am on - is private.  Robin was famous, so the private stuff was leaked.  But it's still private.  Here in Australia, they are not even supposed to call your name aloud at the Doctor's office or pharmacy.  But they do.

 

I know many OD's where autopsy was done - but no info is released to the grieving relatives.  That's more extreme in the eyes of the law than WD suffering.  But still - nobody knows (except the coroner) what killed them, exactly.

 

We, out here on the web, do not have much power.  We are faceless voices, connected by electronic pulses - and a shared goal.  

 

All I can suggest is to channel your anger into personal activism.  Sign what you can, protest where you can, write where you can, make videos to share, write stories, plays, letters to the editor.  Choose your personal action to honor and remember those who have gone before, so that it is not all vain.

 

Starhawk - an anti-nuclear activist - calls it the "beer can theory."  You want a better world, but you cannot pick up all of the beer cans in the world.  But you CAN pick up the beer cans in your path.  And the world is a better place for it.

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Farout

Having experienced an adverse reaction & WDs, whenever I see an article about someone committing suicide, or murder/suicide and all the friends and family say how out of character it is...I wonder if ADs are behind it.

 

I imagine I'm not alone in that around here.

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btdt

In Canada anyone can make a report to the coroner who is suppose to follow up but they do not tell you the result.. still the hope is at least somebody knows a drug was involved.  Not that they would not have found out anyway but to give the side of the dead persons report to the coroner can be made in this country.  What they do with the knowing who knows maybe nothing.

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btdt

Having experienced an adverse reaction & WDs, whenever I see an article about someone committing suicide, or murder/suicide and all the friends and family say how out of character it is...I wonder if ADs are behind it.

 

I imagine I'm not alone in that around here.

Report Presented at the September 14, 2004 Press Conference Sponsored by the Alliance for Human Research Protection (AHRP) at the FDA Public Hearing on Antidepressants and Suicide.

 

Antidepressant-Induced Suicidality and Violence: More About Deception than Science Observations Made at the FDA Hearings Press Conference, September 14, 2004 By Peter R. Breggin, M.D.

 

 
The FDA is finally admitting that the newer antidepressants, especially the SSRIs and Effexor (venlafaxine), cause suicide in children. I first drew these conclusions about the SSRIs and began publishing them in 1994 in Talking Back to Prozac (Breggin and Breggin, 1994). In addition, I reviewed and analyzed the entire literature shortly before the February hearings (Breggin, 2003/2004). Ten years is a long time to wait for official recognition of such important risks. The delay in recognition has much more to do with organized deceptions than with science.
 
Breggin is good for the truth brass facts he has a few good books Glenmullen is good too.  
 
ten years ago he thought ten years was a long time to wait .. now it is 20 years and I wonder what he is thinking.. 

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apace41

 

Breggin is good for the truth brass facts he has a few good books  

 

 

If you like Breggin, subscribe to his podcast.  He has a lot of people on there who are very strong anti-psychiatric med voices and it's pretty good content.  Comes out every Thursday.  He went so far a couple of weeks ago, speaking of one of the former FDA people in charge of the psychotropic meds, and said, "he has blood on his hands."

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btdt

I read his books early on and have watched his videos. I also liked Glenmullen one of the early books I read was prozac backlash where he talks about withdrawal and dependence this book came out in 2000 16 years ago... bit of it on wd here

https://books.google.ca/books?id=nqrjeYwa7foC&pg=PA64&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

I searched the book for the word suicide and had more than 20 hits ... this is 16 years ago!  I wonder how many could have been saved in 16 years.

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Martina23

Maybe the family can sue the doctors or drug manufacturer by the trial, especially by suicides there is a big chance to win it. By the Lyrica there are a lot of trials in case of suicide, especially in the US, and a lot are won. Not succesful class suit yet. In Europe it will be harder as the Europe is very conservative and psychiatrist friedly, but maybe they can ask if they cant lead the process with the drug manufacturer abroad

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btdt

Nothing brings dead people back nothing takes away the suffering they already had... nothing.  We pray for them we keep going.. because that is what we do.  We keep in the back of our minds that some people here may be just that unwell so we try to be kind to all as we don't or I should say I 

don't want to be part of the problem but part of the solution... 

 

I keep in mind my worst days and how very mad insane I was... and when I see one like me I reach out best I can and try to bring them back or keep them talking till they can sort out their own stuff or just talk the crazy away... 

 

sometimes an ear really helps 

 

remember this can get bad respect that and respect the people here are truly suffering... nobody seems to know how bad it can get except those of us who have been there... so who else is going to help them ... 

 

not drug them and tie them up... that is not what we do ... help them talk care that is all we have ... that and the truth... 

peace

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scallywag

If the coroner was involved investigating the death, you could send a letter to the coroner's office stating the person's psych drug history, including how and when the drug(s) were discontinued.

 

As a family member of someone who died extreme depression & PTSD, I requested a copy of the pathologist's report. I found errors and asked that they be corrected. The pathologist reviewed my letter and revised his report. I don't know what impact that had on any aggregation of data around causes, etc.

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compsports

This part really angered me greatly in referring to the kid's AS.   No Dr. Migone, how about teaching kids with Asperger Syndrome how to thrive in a world that is not geared to them.  Teach them about the strengths they have instead of always focusing on their weaknesses.   Might do wonders for their anxiety and depression.

 

But NO, you and bleeping psychiatry think that meds are the answer to everything and now you have a dead 14 year old kid who appears to have committed suicide thanks to suicidall ideation.   Way to go. :angry: 

 

CS

 

 

 

 

Consultant child psychiatrist Dr Maria Migone, who prescribed the Prozac for Jake’s anxiety, said new findings emerging in the past two years showed that children on the autistic spectrum were at increased risk of suicide.

“There is an increased risk among those with autism spectrum disorder, there is an increase in size of the part of the brain connected to emotions. If you experience strong emotions the thinking part of your brain may not be working very well,” Dr Migone said.

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mammaP

That report is just scandalous and a blatant attempt to absolve themselves!

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btdt

If not for us then for them we have to keep going... nobody else but those who have lived wd and drug induced suicidal ideation would believe it. We have to keep going and tell as many as will listen...

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geminigirl

I agree btdt.

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