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This is a mainstream source - people are finally paying attention to the harms of antidepressants - probably enough "important" people are being harmed

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-hidden-harm-of-antidepressants/

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*Currently at 3.3mg off my 10mg pill of Paxil (they actually weigh 12.5mg) so I’m around 7.4 mg 

*No other supplements or vitamins 

*Taper schedule in the pdf 

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-5vShtJtwAOGA30OxIP87steLmMdFzD29F0fzAPD564

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Sorry the above link is wrong here's the right link

 

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-hidden-harm-of-antidepressants/

 

*Currently at 3.3mg off my 10mg pill of Paxil (they actually weigh 12.5mg) so I’m around 7.4 mg 

*No other supplements or vitamins 

*Taper schedule in the pdf 

Blank.pdf

 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-5vShtJtwAOGA30OxIP87steLmMdFzD29F0fzAPD564

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This is a mainstream source - people are finally paying attention to the harms of antidepressants - probably enough "important" people are being harmed

 

http://www.scientificamerican.com/email-this-article/?contentid=36685342-CCA3-4BC4-B142218F34E6FAC8

This does happen over and over again so many times I have thought this is it they can't ignore this problem any longer something big will hit but it does not seem to change much it dies down and is ignored all over again. Not wanting to squash hopes but so many big things have hit a show in England news show did a series .. so many things... nothing big has changed. 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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study329.org     about says it all.

1992 Dothiepin 375mg 8 weeks, exhaustion/depression.  Serotonin syndrome, oh yes!  seizures . Fell pregnant, 3rd baby, Nitrous Oxide, 3 weeks mental hospital pp psychosis. zoloft tegretol.

Feb 1996 ct tegretol, tapered Zoloft 8 weeks. as (unexpectedly)  pregnant. Steven died after 3 days.(Zolft HLHS baby).  98 had run in with Paxil, 2 tablets, 3 weeks taper, survived.
2005..menopause? exhausted again. Zyprexa, mad in three days, fallout....  Seroquel, Effexor, tegretol,   and 8 years of self destruction. Failed taper.
Damn 1/4 valium... nuts again! .fallout, zoloft 100mg  seroquol 400mg mirtazapine 45 mg  tegretol 400mg.  Mid 14 3 month taper. Nov 14 CRASH.
Mid 15 ....   75mg  seroquel,  3 x 1800mg SJW  2 week window end of December followed by 6 week wave
5/2 68mg seroquel, 2.5 x 1800mg SJW::::20/2 61mg seroquel, 2.5 x  SJW::: 26/2 54mg seroquel, 2 x SJW::::21/3 43mg seroquel, 1 x 2700SJW :::: 23/4 36mg seroquel 1 x 1800 SJW
15/5 33mg seroquel, 1 x SJW::::   28/5 30mg seroquel, 1 x SJW::::;  18/6 25mg seroquel 1/2 SJW::::, 11/7 21mg seroquel 1/2 SJW::, 26/7 18mg seroquel 1/2 SJW:::, 9/8 12mg seroquel :::, 16/8 6mg seroquel ;;;;, 12/9 0 jump.

23/9  3mg.....,  27/9 0mg.  Reinstated, 6mg, then 12mg.............  LIGHTBULB MOMENT,  I have  MTHFR 2x mutations.  CFS and issues with MOULD in my home. So I left home, and working 150km away during week, loving it.

Oh was hard, panic attacks first week, gone now, along with the mould issues.

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My thinking is probably overly simple.  But, I have thought like this: 

  1. people who are severely depressed are more likely to commit suicide than people who are not depressed.  
  2. antidepressants can help relieve or reduce the depression in an individual. 
  3. therefore, antidepressants will help people avoid becoming suicidal or committing suicide.  

But articles like the one quoted seem to be saying that antidepressants can cause suicides?  That may be true in a small subset of cases, but is it not likely, in the main, that a depressed person is better off taking (properly prescribed) antidepressants than not taking them and, thus, reducing the probability of that person committing suicide?    

 

And, folks...how many times are we going to trot out the 15 year old 'Study 329' as a continuing indictment of the perfidious pharmaceutical industry?  

1989 -1995: Nortriptlyline, then Zoloft.  1997: New psych Dr. T; ‘Weaned’ off Zoloft; medication carousel next 3 years. 

1998-1999: Open heart surgery; divorce; prostate cancer treatment.

1999-2001:  Horrible period, new psych Dr. B; hospitalizations, ECT; medication carousel: Paxil, Zyprexa, Lithobid, Depakote, Wellbutrin, Effexor, Nortriptyline, Lamictal, Serzone, Seroquel (what a mess).

January 2001, new psych Dr. R, whom I have been with ever since.  He saved my life after a long period of experimentation. Seroquel as high as 600mg; added Remeron & Paxil.

Stable last several years: Quetiapine 75mg, Mirtazapine 45mg, Paroxetine 30 mg, Clorazepate 3.75mg, L-methylfolate (Deplin) 15mg

2015: Weaned off of Quetiapine completely over several months; no problems.   

Paroxetine: 10/6/2015 - 30mg -> 20mg; 11/24/2015 - 20mg -> 15mg; 12/14/2015 -15mg -> 10mg; 1/29/2016 -10mg -> 5mg; 2/25/2016 5mg -> zero.  All under psychiatrist supervision. No ill effects seen so far as of 12/22/2016.   Continuing Mirtazapine and L-methylfolate.  

I have lost about 22 lbs. (207->185) over the last year or so; probably Paroxetine discontinuation (leptin effect). 

 

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I am 43, I have only ever suffered anxiety in my life- I have never even thought about suicide until I tried to wean off Paxil, and then when I reinstated I thought about self harm every single day- I'm only here because of my kids - so I do think these Meds can kell non depressed people because I'm one of them who survived it

 

*Currently at 3.3mg off my 10mg pill of Paxil (they actually weigh 12.5mg) so I’m around 7.4 mg 

*No other supplements or vitamins 

*Taper schedule in the pdf 

Blank.pdf

 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-5vShtJtwAOGA30OxIP87steLmMdFzD29F0fzAPD564

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oh hell yes antidepressants have clearly been shown to increase suicidal thoughts or actions, as they blithely say on the TV ads now.

and many other psych meds can cause a non depressed and non suicidal person think about or even attempt suicide.

 

you can be depressed and yet have never considered killing yourself, not everyone is "that" depressed. not to mention that ADs are given out like candy for ppl who probably dont even have true "clinical" depression.

 

 

when the ADs first came out, they actually noticed that MORE ppl were committing suicide ON the drugs than off, but they decided that the reason for that was that the person was starting to feel a bit better, have more energy, but still have a depressed mood or thinking or both, and therefore, there was a window of time when they would be at a higher risk for committing suicide before the "full effect" of the drug kicked in.

I have no idea if that story line has been refuted. It seems slightly plausible in a truly depressed person who has the physical symptoms of a bad depression, the lack of energy etc.

 

the manufacturers of these drugs don't really KNOW how they work, they are only interested in selling them to the most ppl for as many reasons/diagnosis as possible and for the longest time possible.

there were no studies done on the long term effects of taking these drugs. why? it was not in their best interest to find out that ppl dind't need to take them for years and years and years, and it surely was not in the best interest of the drug manufacturers to find out how much harm they are causing.

  • pysch med history: 1974 @ age 18 to Oct 2017 (approx 43 yrs total)
  •  Drug list: stelazine, haldol, elavil, lithium, zoloft, celexa, lexapro(doses as high as 40mgs), klonopin, ambien, seroquel(high doses), depakote, zyprexa, lamictal- plus brief trials of dozens of other psych meds over the years
  • started lexapro 2002, dose varied from 20mgs to 40mgs. I tried to get off it several times. WD symptoms were mistaken for "relapse". 
  •  2013 too fast taper down to 5mg but WD forced me back to 20mgs
  •  June of 2105, tapered again too rapidly to 2.5mgs by Dec 2015. Found SA, held at 2.5 mgs til May 2016 when I foolishly "jumped off". Crashed in Sept, reinstated at 0.3mgs in Oct. 2106
  • Tapered off to zero by  Oct. 2017 Doing very well
  • Nov. 2018 feel 95% healed, current age 63 
  • Jan. 2020 feel 100% healed, peaceful and content 
  • Aug 2021, loving life ❤️ 
 
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My thinking is probably overly simple.  But, I have thought like this: 

  1. people who are severely depressed are more likely to commit suicide than people who are not depressed.  
  2. antidepressants can help relieve or reduce the depression in an individual. 
  3. therefore, antidepressants will help people avoid becoming suicidal or committing suicide.  

But articles like the one quoted seem to be saying that antidepressants can cause suicides?  That may be true in a small subset of cases, but is it not likely, in the main, that a depressed person is better off taking (properly prescribed) antidepressants than not taking them and, thus, reducing the probability of that person committing suicide?    

 

And, folks...how many times are we going to trot out the 15 year old 'Study 329' as a continuing indictment of the perfidious pharmaceutical industry?  

Oh my half of me thinks your joking or working for pharma or an agitator out for kicks.... to rile up some already suffering sad desperate people on the internet... I have not read your story... I may or may not look up your posts later.  

I refuse to let you jerk my chain cause I am in protection mode protecting myself as I have been thru this a zillion times  before ... with every study and there are many not just one there is an opening of the skies then the skies close again like it never happened. 

If you truly want to learn about all the studies go ahead and look them up you could start with this section of SA lots of studies here... but don't for a second think there is only one study.

 

 

".how many times are we going to trot out the 15 year old 'Study 329' "

 

How many times do we have to bring it and others up until action is taken to protect millions of others from being injured... 15 long years is a very long time to wait... there have been countless studies tv shows breaking new... ect ect ect many many.. nothing changes a black box warning everybody treat as tho it does not exist... that is the one thing to come to pass since 1989 30 years or so..that is a long time... that is when I started my hell ride on prozac.... that is a life time.  

 

If you want to take the drugs then take them but don't pretend they are not dangerous because they are if you don't believe there are studies be my guest and look them up. 

 

I am not going to spoon feed you and if your a believer in these drugs like I once was you won't hear me anyway... keep drinking the cool aid if you want... but don't think for a moment the number of people who will eventually have a problem with these drugs is small I don't believe it is. 

peace to you on your journey

 

a couple links for you

http://ssristories.org/all-posts/

http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/(llook up your drug of choice)

 

Serotonin and Depression: A Disconnect between the Advertisements and the Scientific Literature 

this one from PLoS

http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/serotonin-depression-hypothesis.htm

with lots of pesky little science links

 

 

retexan599

I am sorry now for the attitude in my post above I see you have been a long time user of Ads and are trying to get off paxil... I am not sure it is worth rocking the cart at this point.  If you can get stable and stay stable or at least not feel sick in withdrawal... maybe that is the best I wish you well.  

peace

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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My thinking is probably overly simple.  But, I have thought like this: 

  1. people who are severely depressed are more likely to commit suicide than people who are not depressed.  
  2. antidepressants can help relieve or reduce the depression in an individual. 
  3. therefore, antidepressants will help people avoid becoming suicidal or committing suicide.  

But articles like the one quoted seem to be saying that antidepressants can cause suicides?  That may be true in a small subset of cases, but is it not likely, in the main, that a depressed person is better off taking (properly prescribed) antidepressants than not taking them and, thus, reducing the probability of that person committing suicide?    

 

And, folks...how many times are we going to trot out the 15 year old 'Study 329' as a continuing indictment of the perfidious pharmaceutical industry?  

 

I would like to invite you to read a book. It is written by THE world authority on this topic...

http://www.amazon.com/Pharmageddon-David-Healy/dp/0520275764

Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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My thinking is probably overly simple.

 

Have to agree with you there.

 

And, folks...how many times are we going to trot out the 15 year old 'Study 329' as a continuing indictment of the perfidious pharmaceutical industry?

 

Until the perfidious pharmaceutical industry changes its ways.  Study 329 isn't some isolated case, it is just the tip of the iceberg.

2001–2002 paroxetine

2003  citalopram

2004-2008  paroxetine (various failed tapers) 
2008  paroxetine slow taper down to

2016  Aug off paroxetine
2016  citalopram May 20mg  Oct 15mg … slow taper down
2018  citalopram 13 Feb 4.6mg 15 Mar 4.4mg 29 Apr 4.2mg 6 Jul 4.1mg 17 Aug 4.0mg  18 Nov 3.8mg
2019  15 Mar 3.6mg  21 May 3.4mg  26 Dec 3.2mg 

2020  19 Feb 3.0mg 19 Jul 2.9mg 16 Sep 2.8mg 25 Oct 2.7mg 23 Oct 2.6mg 24 Dec 2.5mg

2021   29 Aug 2.4mg   15 Nov 2.3mg

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Do not feed the troll.

September 2011 - 75 mg Effexor, 15 mg Mirtazapine
September 2012 - CT. Developed PSSD (mostly erectile dysfunction and diminished enjoyment of sex).
January 2016 - Symptoms persist, no improvements. In fact, things seem worse now than they were in the first year.

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I don't think he is a troll after looking at his main page and I suggest he watch this video on how our doctors could not know. 

https://www.ted.com/talks/ben_goldacre_what_doctors_don_t_know_about_the_drugs_they_prescribe?language=en

 

For years and years I took these drugs and I did not know it is a learning process I was drinking the cool aid and because the start of use for me was for chronic pain and my start was a severe adverse reaction from a ssri which I was told was an inti inflammatory... the next drug did stop the ssri severe adverse reaction or calmed down the protracted wd... I thought the drugs worked I was severly tricked into taking these drugs for 18 long years... now ;8 years off... 

 

It could happen to anyone most people don't know we have to keep that in mind we need to help them understand and to get over the hurdle of not being able to have complete trust in health care to care for out health because it has been corrupted. That is a big hurdle. 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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