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From all i can read on the internet, everyone says that how withdrawal is the most horrible thing in the world, they dont wish to happen it even to their worst enemy, how its better to die than to face it. ,, .....and so on.

Here I dont want to sound rude but what is it about withdrawal that makes it so nasty..

I have started tapering my ssri and i am afraid.

I think apart from akathisia and severe insomnia ,I can handle other symptoms easily like dizziness, brain zaps,headache, nausea etc..

If things go pretty difficult i am ready to quit my job until i get healed.

From 2010 -2012. on klonopin and

risperdal

2012-2014. on effexxor and abilify.

tapered abilify gradually and now on

effexxor. I have tapered effexor from 75mg to 55 mg over 4months

. I haven't experienced anything major except slight aggression. When I am out on the road ,I get a feeling to hit someone, anyone.

 

Age 23

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All I can say, is taper VERY VERY SLOWLY, if you don't, buckle up cause its quite the ride, some of the wd symptoms you speak of are just the start of it, not trying to scare you, but I'm going through it and it can be shear hell to deal with, welcome to your journey, glad you found this forum, the people on here are amazing, I'm sure one of the mods will be on shortly to help you.

10 years citalopram 30mg- tapered down in December 15/2015- Jan 15/2016 to 20mg for two weeks, ten for one week and five for another week, then stopped, less then two weeks later, sheer hell broke lose with debilitating withdrawal symptoms.

 

Update-- reinstated 5mg of celexa on feb 5-- within hours noticed immediate difference in WD symptoms-- Holding holding and more holding.

 

Updose- March 23/16 too 10mg- relieved the harsher head symptoms- current symptoms headaches, dizzy, numbness and tingling in my head.

 

Benzos- 2015-Ativan on and off for 6 months 2mg- switched to clonazepam nov 2015- 2mg till Jan 2016 Zopiclone 7.5mg nov-dec 2015- was tapered off over 4weeks- Currently in protracted withdrawal. ????????????????????????????????

 

Update- ended up in the hospital April 18/16 major suicidal ( never had that before) was admitted/ been there ever since, put me back to full dose celexa 30mg no drugs added, IAM FINALLY STABLE AFTER 3 months of tortuous hell. Got a great physiatrist that new all about WD, he will help me taper properly in a couple of months at 5% deductions holding 8 weeks. I never want to relive that hell again.

 

Udate- stable and holding, doing things slowly is key.

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I guess it depends on your tolerance level/level of sensitivity.

 

Thanks to the AD Cipralex (which I wish to this day I had never touched), I have gone from being a really 'healthy' person, to questioning on a daily basis how healthy am I???

 

I have had to make diet and lifestyle changes and get my head around what has been happening to my mind and body.

 

Thanks to this website I have been able to keep my sanity vaguely in check, but it has been a very frightening learning experience and has tested my already shaken nerves to the utmost.

 

This website really is the best place to be, so you came to the right place.

Dose History: 19 Feb 2014 - Escitalopram 10mg daily June 2015 - Started taper, 5mg every other day July 2015 - 5mg every 2 days August 2015 - 5mg every 3 days September 2015 - 5mg every 4 days Sept 14th - Completed tapering, but at 7 weeks "drug free" I suffered serious WD symptoms as a consequence of "incorrect" tapering. Nov 25 2015 - Re-instated Cipralex @ 2.5mg daily. WD symptoms faded. Held at this dose and experienced "windows and waves". 12 Oct 2017 Reduced dose to 1.25mg. 13 Mar 2018 Reduced dose to 0.625mg (approx.). 16 April 2018 0mg. Windows and waves triggered by stress (IBS/reflux, headaches, sinus issues) Aug 2019 Mirena coil fitted 6 Jan 2020 MAJOR Wave hit 19 months following last dose (protracted WD).  Symptoms listed below Mar 2020 Mirena coil removal.

Therapy: Nov 15th 2016 Re-started therapy Jan 19th 2017 Started CBT Dec 2017 Started listening to Hypnotherapy CD (self-esteem). Nov 2019 Started couples therapy.

Supplements: "Bioglan" Biotic Balance Ultimate Flora 10 billion CFU, live Bacteria, Probiotic, suitable for Vegetarians, with Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Lactobacillus Rhamnosus, Bifidobacterium Longum"Pukka" Vitalise a unique blend of 30 energising botanicals.

Diet: 16 April 2018 Detox cleanse / anti-candida for 90 days. Jan 2020 Started "small plate" diet (i.e child size portions).

Exercise: Stretching, Yoga, Pilates, Spinning, Elliptical/upper body workout, walking.

Medical Test Results: 4 Jan 2017 Homeopathic Treatment starts 24 Feb 2017 Started weight loss program 24 Mar 2017 Naturopathic Treatment + anti-Candida diet started due to suspected Candida Related Complex (CRC). DETOXED for 7 weeks to "re-set" gut. April 2017 "Genova Diagnostics" Comprehensive Stool Analysis NEGATIVE; Full Blood Count (Normal) / Blood Cholesterol: 5.6 (Borderline) / Blood Sugar (Normal) / 28 Jun 2017 FSH 8.2 / 14 Nov 2017 FSH 17.7 Dec 2017 Blood Cholesterol: 3.9 (Normal) / Kidney Function (Normal) / Blood Sugar (Normal). December 2017 "Genova Diagnostics" Food panel allergy (bloodwork) analysis - a few "VERY LOW/VL" allergens; Mar 2018 "Genova Diagnostics" SIBO urine analysis: High Level of Yeast/fungal markers found in small intestine but NO SIBO.  April 2018 Thyroid (Normal) / Full Blood Count (Normal) / FSH (Normal). 16 April 2018 Started anti-Candida diet - 3 month protocol.   25 March 2020 All test results "Normal". CRP" 5 mg/L (normal range to 0-5 mg/L).

Symptoms:  Flu-like symptoms, anxiety, anhedonia, sinus headaches right-side (severe), IBS issues/reflux (severe)**, tinnitus, fatigue, inner tremor, nausea, chills/hot flushes, pounding heart, muscular issues including stiff left hip flexor, intense anger, PSSD (ongoing).  **Histhamine intolerance (suspected).

Major Life Events: 

Re-located to UK from Canada: Jan 2016

My father died: 5:05pm, Monday 5 Feb 2018 Last Lexapro dose: 16 April 2018 (its now been over a year since I quit ADs)  Moved house: Friday 23rd February 2018  "Divorced" toxic Mother: Monday 26 March 2018 Starting working again: 19 November 2018  Diagnosed with: 5th August 2021 PTSD/C-PTSD Diagnosed with: March 2022 Interstitial Cystitis (IC)/Painful bladder syndrome

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Some people are to taper off and get mild symptoms and others have horrible ones for months/years its best to taper off very slowly,dont do the same mistake that many of us do

2011~ lexapro 40-60 mg (mom,why didn't you stop me I was 15..)

2013~ prozac 40mg ,seroquel 25mg (here we go poop-out and merry-go-round!

2014~ paxil 40mg, seroquel 100mg (thanks psych ward for the benzo trial and WD too)

2015~ (worst year of my life):

- basically CT'd from paxil (40 to 20mg in one day,then 10 then 0 in one month total)

and seroquel (cold turkey) in May, horrible withdrawals with every decrease. I said " well Imma ride this out", yeah right.. Two weeks off I couldn't take it anymore.

- Drs. Lab rat( they tried prozac,lexapro,also for a few days cymbalta,venlafaxine,and for anxiety olanzapine and different doses seroquel)

- started wellbutrin (which "cured" my by then 1/2 year withdrawal in a few days,what?)

2016~zoloft 100mg,wellbutrin 300mg,seroquel 50mg

I hope to be med-free one day,I started at such a young age so, Who am I? No idea. :)

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From all i can read on the internet, everyone says that how withdrawal is the most horrible thing in the world, they dont wish to happen it even to their worst enemy, how its better to die than to face it. ,, .....and so on.

Here I dont want to sound rude but what is it about withdrawal that makes it so nasty..

I have started tapering my ssri and i am afraid.

I think apart from akathisia and severe insomnia ,I can handle other symptoms easily like dizziness, brain zaps,headache, nausea etc..

If things go pretty difficult i am ready to quit my job until i get healed.

I think the worst thing with it is that people who have never experience it before and with docs who say its ok to quit even c/t sometimes, then a person end up in total chaos, its scary and it can be rough. People are different.. Some get alot of symtoms that last for long, some dont get anything at all and some mild.. its so different.

 

I wish you good luck tapering, try not think so much of what can  happen , stay positive.

2007 - 2013: was on citalopram (tried to quit a few times, never worked, always went back on. max dose 40mg)

2012-2013: was tapering my citalopram all down to 2,5 mg then quit.
2013/aug: Took  my last pill 

W/D hit me bad after a few weeks off my medicine.

2014/August: 12 months off (much improved)

2015/April: 20months off. ( much improved, still some symtoms comes in waves, but not so intense.)

2015/june: 22months off. FELT different than before, all shakings suddenly stopped, feel much better. a fantastic feeling!

2016/Feb : 2 years and 6 months off, END of my suffering. I feel perfectly fine and back to normal. 
2018/Oct: Iam still feeling great. It is hard to believe my own story when I read back, what I went through!

 

 

 

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From all i can read on the internet, everyone says that how withdrawal is the most horrible thing in the world, they dont wish to happen it even to their worst enemy, how its better to die than to face it. ,, .....and so on.

Here I dont want to sound rude but what is it about withdrawal that makes it so nasty..

I have started tapering my ssri and i am afraid.

I think apart from akathisia and severe insomnia ,I can handle other symptoms easily like dizziness, brain zaps,headache, nausea etc..

If things go pretty difficult i am ready to quit my job until i get healed.

the reason why i got so scared in my w/d was because it felt like i lost myself. i didnt reconize myself at all. I lost alot of short term memory and coudlnt function good at all for a long time. 

2007 - 2013: was on citalopram (tried to quit a few times, never worked, always went back on. max dose 40mg)

2012-2013: was tapering my citalopram all down to 2,5 mg then quit.
2013/aug: Took  my last pill 

W/D hit me bad after a few weeks off my medicine.

2014/August: 12 months off (much improved)

2015/April: 20months off. ( much improved, still some symtoms comes in waves, but not so intense.)

2015/june: 22months off. FELT different than before, all shakings suddenly stopped, feel much better. a fantastic feeling!

2016/Feb : 2 years and 6 months off, END of my suffering. I feel perfectly fine and back to normal. 
2018/Oct: Iam still feeling great. It is hard to believe my own story when I read back, what I went through!

 

 

 

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I was in the exact same boat as you! In my 20's I switched from one SSRI to the next cuz nothing worked. I thought all of the withdrawal horror stories were mostly overhyped or given by weak people. I had withdrawn just fine from at least 5 or 6 of them prior to experience long-term major protracted withdrawal. Believe me, if I could go back I would tell, no yell, at myself to PLEASE STOP TAKING the evil drugs before serious withdrawal sets in. Normal withdrawal is minor to moderate which is bearable to a certain extent....but major withdrawal is something ALTOGETHER different and yes, I wouldnt wish it on anyone!!! Only time and LOTS of it can heal one from the severity of it.

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Hi canboy , welcome to the site.

 

Please can you give us more information about your situation.  What have you been taking , what dose . for

how long.

How much have you decreased already , what meds, have you taken in the past?

 

Instructions for filling in your signature are here  

Please put your withdrawal history in your signature

 

The most common initial symptoms of withdrawal include "brain zaps" , diarrhea , flu' and cold symptoms , and

aches and pains.   Are you having any of these?

Hopefully you'll be one of the fortunate ones who is able to come off ssri's easily.

 

The big deal about withdrawal is that for many people the symptoms are so severe and so debilitating , that they

lose jobs , homes , marriages , relationships , even the ability to care for themselves.

The nature of protracted withdrawal means that many symptoms take years to subside , and it's not possible to

regain the life you had before.

 

Please use this thread to record your progress and ask any questions that come up.

 

Best wishes ,  Fresh

1987-1997 pertofran , prothiaden , Prozac 1997-2002 Zoloft 2002-2004 effexor 2004-2010 Lexapro 40mg

2010-2012Cymbalta 120mg

Sept. 2012 -decreased 90mg in 6months. Care taken over by Dr Lucire in March 2013 , decreased last 30mg at 2mg per week over 3 months. July 21 , 2013- last dose of Cymbalta

Protracted withdrawal syndrome kicked in badly Jan.2014 Unrelenting akathisia until May 2014. Voluntary hosp. admission. Cocktail of Seroquel, Ativan and mirtazapine and I was well enough to go home after 14 days. Stopped all hosp. meds in next few months.

July 2014 felt v.depressed - couldn't stop crying. Started pristiq 50mg. Felt improvement within days and continued to improve, so stayed on 50mg for 8 months.

Began taper 28 Feb. 2015. Pristiq 50mg down to 45mg. Had one month of w/d symptoms. Started CES therapy in March. No w/d symptoms down to 30mg.

October 2015 , taking 25mg Pristiq. Capsules compounded with slow-release additive.

March 2016 , 21mg

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Hi canboy, 

 

I'm glad you have found your way here so that you can hopefully have a successful start to tapering off the meds.

 

As the others have professed, it truly can be horrific, but at the same time there are some people who just don't have any trouble at all.  The problem is, you don't know which one you will be.  Unfortunately, jumping in and cutting too big thinking that you'll just deal with it is the way that many have ended up here desperate for help.  When you make too big of a cut, you destabilize your nervous system because it has come to depend on the drug's action to function with some semblance of normalcy.  Yanking away a big chunk of your dosage is like ripping a trellis out from under a vine, taking a cog out of a machine and expecting it to work normally.  The problem is, some who try to reinstate after doing this find it very hard to stabilize with the updose.  Factors that seem to make a difference are how long you were on this and other ADs, whether or not there were direct switches between meds without tapering, previous attempts to come off, increases in dosage due to tolerance, and more. 

 

So, the 10% taper is a harm-reduction method for the general population of AD users, though some of those may be able to go faster.  You can start with 10% and if after a few weeks you find there were no wd symptoms, you can make your next cut.  A lot of people will get away with multiple 10% drops fairly rapidly but then run into trouble, probably because the nervous system fell behind.  Therefore, it may be wise to hold longer every few cuts, for a couple of months, and then resume.

 

It is best to not think in terms of the calendar.  You truly need to listen to your body on this, and only cut when you are stable, no WD symptoms.

 

I can honestly say that my taper has been very comfortable.  I am tapering mirtazapine, 10% per month (5% every two weeks), though I ran afoul when I switched to a homemade liquid.  I have gone back to dry cutting my dosages and feel pretty normal.  I will hold with this another couple of weeks before resuming.  

 

Having been through protracted wtihdrawal for 10 months which has left me with PTSD, I would rather NOT venture into those waters again!

 

Last note:  people talk about all the physical symptoms up front being nasty and then that part seems to be over in the first few months, but it is the emotional waves that hit months out that can be devastating.  Fear, doom, anxiety and depression at an intensity never before experienced, losing sleep entirely, waking with rushes of fear in the early morning hours, etc.  These are the things that floor people in WD.  The hope is that the very slow taper will prevent the worst of it.

 

Hopefully, if you take it  conservatively, withdrawal truly will be no big deal for you :-)  And with that, the best thing to do is to not read EVERY intro on here, scaring yourself with the rough ones.  If you are prone to anxiety anyway, it is best to stay away from researching everything to death, and focus on asking questions about your particular situation and experiences on your thread.  Oh, do read the success stories in that forum :-)

 

SG

Started ADs back around 1995 after bad break-up, starting with Prozac.  Switched to Wellbutrin, and then to Effexor in 2002
Effexor XR 2002-2014 up to 225 mg at one point, down to 37.5 mg towards end but back up to 75 mg in 2014; now realize I had W/D as I dropped down, memory very poor about history.  Extreme emotions, poor concentration as I stepped back down, didn't connect the dots!
Summer 2014 reduced to 0 very quickly, was sick of anhedonia/sexual dysfunction due to meds, depression never controlled if not worse. Didn't recognize WD since symptoms built slowly (thought I had ADD! and menopausal on top of it), starting with severe sweats, very bad cog-fog and memory issues, culminating in weight loss, severe anxiety and depression, panic, severe apathy and insomnia by eight months off.  Saw p-doc who put me on Remeron, increased from 7.5 mg/day to 37.5 mg by May 22, 2015; still doing very badly though able to sleep.

June 1. 2015 Reinstated Effexor XR 37.5 mg, Remeron dropped to 30 mg PM. Immediate relief of symptoms, like nothing had ever happened!  Joined SA and began on advice of friend who recognized it was WD all along! Began tapering in July 2015.

Been tapering both meds ever since, focusing on one more than the other or doing no more than 5% of each per month.

12 mg Effexor and 5.8 mg Remeron (mirtazapine SolTabs to make a solution with OraPlus) as of 5/4/2017 

Update 3/14/18: 2.9 mg Remeron and 6 mg Effexor; 6/10/18:  2.6 mg Remeron and 4.9 mg Effexor

 

My intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/9313-squirrellygirl-effexor-withdrawal-etc/page-2#entry196679

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Yes I have already read all these kind of posts in this forum as well as others about how horrible withdrawal is .

But I want to know which are those specific symtoms that makes it so horrible .

I have read that akathisia can be bad but would I be right if I say that I can manage it easily if keep myself at home for those withdrawal months.

From 2010 -2012. on klonopin and

risperdal

2012-2014. on effexxor and abilify.

tapered abilify gradually and now on

effexxor. I have tapered effexor from 75mg to 55 mg over 4months

. I haven't experienced anything major except slight aggression. When I am out on the road ,I get a feeling to hit someone, anyone.

 

Age 23

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Canboy in Can-ada com-plete drug-sig-nature?

 

What do you think of that idea?

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We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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Yes I have already read all these kind of posts in this forum as well as others about how horrible withdrawal is .

But I want to know which are those specific symtoms that makes it so horrible .

I have read that akathisia can be bad but would I be right if I say that I can manage it easily if keep myself at home for those withdrawal months.

the symptoms are numerous and relentless they last all day every day.They consume your life and take away any enjoyment you had in life before meds.

I learnt the hard way and the only way to withdraw is very very slowly and to listen to your body,please take our advice

2012 put on Citalopram and diazepam for 3 months for "depression" after filling in a 3 minute form at the doctors, had a massive reaction with panic attacks and extreme anxiety,never suffered panic attacks or anxiety before citalopram.Told to quit cold turkey which led to two hospital admissions during 2012/2013

December for 6 months Seroquel dosage adjusted up and down 50mg ,150mg ,100mg, caused severe tinnitus ,told to quit cold turkey

2013 January for 12 months Lorazapam given to me like sweets,told to quit cold turkey

2013 May Zoloft for 6 months ,told to quit cold turkey, reinstated 50mg tapered 2nd time over a month (to fast but I survived)messed up my sleep

Zyprexa April 2103 5mg until august 2014 ,dropped by doctor down to 2.5mg for one month went well but sleep was very poor for 3 weeks

End of 2015 I had to reinstate back up to 5mg due to constant insomnia that wouldnt go away Started a slow taper and found an understanding doctor who listened to me while I reduced
May 2016 drug free, sleeping and doing well in life again, it can be done http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/12078-finally-off-zyprexa/

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Hi canboy ,  I have to say I love your attitude.  You're going to need that steely self-confidence to remind

yourself that yes , you can get through this , when it gets tough.

 

I had the same confidence in 2013 , when I tapered cymbalta.  The first few months were okay , I was hypomanic.

By Feb. 2014 , akathisia had kicked in.  The following video was made in March , during a calm spell.  

I didn't leave the house after February , and literally every moment was torturous.  In May I hadn't improved , and

requested hospital admission.

I'm still recovering.

 

1987-1997 pertofran , prothiaden , Prozac 1997-2002 Zoloft 2002-2004 effexor 2004-2010 Lexapro 40mg

2010-2012Cymbalta 120mg

Sept. 2012 -decreased 90mg in 6months. Care taken over by Dr Lucire in March 2013 , decreased last 30mg at 2mg per week over 3 months. July 21 , 2013- last dose of Cymbalta

Protracted withdrawal syndrome kicked in badly Jan.2014 Unrelenting akathisia until May 2014. Voluntary hosp. admission. Cocktail of Seroquel, Ativan and mirtazapine and I was well enough to go home after 14 days. Stopped all hosp. meds in next few months.

July 2014 felt v.depressed - couldn't stop crying. Started pristiq 50mg. Felt improvement within days and continued to improve, so stayed on 50mg for 8 months.

Began taper 28 Feb. 2015. Pristiq 50mg down to 45mg. Had one month of w/d symptoms. Started CES therapy in March. No w/d symptoms down to 30mg.

October 2015 , taking 25mg Pristiq. Capsules compounded with slow-release additive.

March 2016 , 21mg

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Hi Canboy,

 

It's not about toughing it out.  Understanding that the drug/s had changed my brain helped me to understand the advice people here were giving me.  I, personally, don't want to suffer any more than I have to getting of my drug.  Even having a mild headache for several days to a week can get to you very very quickly when you begin to forget what's it's like not to have one and it starts to feel like it will never end.  Also, any added stress on your body is going to slow the recovery process that your brain is trying to work on.

 

These are the things that helped me:

 

Video: Healing from Antidepressants: Patterns of Recovery

 

Brain Remodelling

 

This is a fantastic site with lots of supportive members and helpful staff and excellent information and advice on the best way to get off ADs.

 

It's not worth going through any withdrawal symptoms if there is a better way and you don't have to.

Please DO NOT TAG me - thank you

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions. 

  MISSION ACCOMPLISHED:    (6 year taper)      0mg Pristiq      on 13th November 2021

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021   LAST DOSE 0.0025mg

Post 0 updates start here    My tapering program     My Intro (goes to tapering graph)

 VIDEO:   Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management

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From all i can read on the internet, everyone says that how withdrawal is the most horrible thing in the world, they dont wish to happen it even to their worst enemy, how its better to die than to face it. ,, .....and so on.

Here I dont want to sound rude but what is it about withdrawal that makes it so nasty..

I have started tapering my ssri and i am afraid.

I think apart from akathisia and severe insomnia ,I can handle other symptoms easily like dizziness, brain zaps,headache, nausea etc..

If things go pretty difficult i am ready to quit my job until i get healed.

Brain zaps imagine every time you move your eyes your brain gets an electric shock that you can hear... EVERY time you move your eyes even if your eyes are closed night and day 24/7.  How one person describes brain zaps is not how another will... for me it was the above others have said they are like a shock that comes a few times a day or wk.  that is not what I had till long into cold turkey wd... don't go ct. 

Light and noise both are painful on so many levels it would be hard to list hem all ...bad enough not not go our and tinfoil your windows I did both. Shopped in the middle of the night for food did not eat much anyway as what went in came out.

Hallucinations and psychotic breaks... Paranoia and body pain

I don't like to talk about the worst of it as thinking of it gives it power and scares me to this day.  Wd has damaged me to the point I don't like to speak of the worst of it and do only when I see a person here struggling thru something alone and nobody knows about it... then I will go there but I won't go there for no reason...hope you understand this. 

If your against the wall with something tough that is kind of rare and need support I will go in and get you if I can... but I am not going there in a not dire situation cause it costs me each time I do. 

 

My experience may be caused by cold turkey when I could no longer tolerate any further drugging after 20 years of use... so please don't think everybody gets all of it... I pray they don't.  If I was told I would go thru it all again I am not sure I would stay for the trip because it is a very long and painful trip.  Even with what I know now and the skills I have it would be a struggle as all you are and have you lose and when it comes time to do battle your tired and wore ragged and frail... your not in the shape you are now when the worst of it hits your at your worst fighting the battle of your life a lot of it is about not giving in as much as it is giving in... depending on the day.

 

A part of me still thinks it is partly luck to make it thru cold turkey luck and support if you can find any.

 

I wish you peace. 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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I have read that akathisia can be bad but would I be right if I say that I can manage it easily if keep myself at home for those withdrawal months.

 

In short, no.

 

There is no way to predict how any individual will respond to discontinuing the meds, especially in a cold turkey manner.  You give yourself the best chance for success by doing the slow taper we advocate but you get no guarantees either way.

 

If feeling like you are going to crawl out of your skin, unable to stay still, needing to pace the house for hours on end, unable to sleep and feeling like your head is running all over the place constitutes "managing it easily" then the answer may be "yes."  But, if you think that having a few months to stay home is a guarantee that you will "sail through" the process, that's a bad bet to make.  Is it possible that you have no or very few symptoms and then move on?  Yes.  Is it also possible that you have a long and difficult battle?  Yes.  Do what you can to maximize your chances of doing well.

 

Nobody can tell you what to do.  At the end of the day it is your call.

 

Best,

 

Andy

Sertraline 50mg and Clonazapam .375mg from 2000 -- symptoms of dizziness Spring 2012

increased to .5 Clonazapam and 100mg Sertraline -- no improvement

Benzo microtaper from November 2012 to November 2014 (followed benzo sites "taper benzo first")

Started Sertraline taper in December 2014 cut by 25mg to 75mg; 62.5mg 1/1/15 and 50mg on 2/1/15

Held at 50mg through April 5 to use liquid 
Reduced dosage in 10% or less drops from 50mg to 25mg -- at single tablet of 25mg on 10/5/15

Transitioned to all liquid for accuracy while tapering -- Horrible insomnia -- back to 25mg liquid and held until October 1, 2016

10/16 -- 11/18 tapered very slowly to 10.6mg.  No real improvement and never really stable so updosed to 12.5mg (1/2 a pill) for convenience and long hold.

After 8+ months of holding with no noticeable improvement decided to add .4ml of liquid Prozac (about 1.5mg) to see if that improves the situation

Supplements, Magnesium, D3, Omega 3, curcumin, Valerian, 81mg Aspirin, L-Theanine, Vit. C,

 

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what does it means to 'crawl out of your skin' can you explain it. Looks scary .

From 2010 -2012. on klonopin and

risperdal

2012-2014. on effexxor and abilify.

tapered abilify gradually and now on

effexxor. I have tapered effexor from 75mg to 55 mg over 4months

. I haven't experienced anything major except slight aggression. When I am out on the road ,I get a feeling to hit someone, anyone.

 

Age 23

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Looks scary? Or sounds scary? Cause let me tell you it is the worst thing someone can experience, been there done that, with ALL the symptoms, good luck if you " tough it out"

10 years citalopram 30mg- tapered down in December 15/2015- Jan 15/2016 to 20mg for two weeks, ten for one week and five for another week, then stopped, less then two weeks later, sheer hell broke lose with debilitating withdrawal symptoms.

 

Update-- reinstated 5mg of celexa on feb 5-- within hours noticed immediate difference in WD symptoms-- Holding holding and more holding.

 

Updose- March 23/16 too 10mg- relieved the harsher head symptoms- current symptoms headaches, dizzy, numbness and tingling in my head.

 

Benzos- 2015-Ativan on and off for 6 months 2mg- switched to clonazepam nov 2015- 2mg till Jan 2016 Zopiclone 7.5mg nov-dec 2015- was tapered off over 4weeks- Currently in protracted withdrawal. ????????????????????????????????

 

Update- ended up in the hospital April 18/16 major suicidal ( never had that before) was admitted/ been there ever since, put me back to full dose celexa 30mg no drugs added, IAM FINALLY STABLE AFTER 3 months of tortuous hell. Got a great physiatrist that new all about WD, he will help me taper properly in a couple of months at 5% deductions holding 8 weeks. I never want to relive that hell again.

 

Udate- stable and holding, doing things slowly is key.

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Personally im not sure why we are engaging with a person who is unable to provide even the most simplest of details.

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We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

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http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

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None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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I have tapered effexor from 75mg to 55 mg over 4months

. I haven't experienced anything major except slight aggression. When I am out on the road ,I get a feeling to hit someone, anyone.

From 2010 -2012. on klonopin and

risperdal

2012-2014. on effexxor and abilify.

tapered abilify gradually and now on

effexxor. I have tapered effexor from 75mg to 55 mg over 4months

. I haven't experienced anything major except slight aggression. When I am out on the road ,I get a feeling to hit someone, anyone.

 

Age 23

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Does it mostly hits during lower doses or after quitting

From 2010 -2012. on klonopin and

risperdal

2012-2014. on effexxor and abilify.

tapered abilify gradually and now on

effexxor. I have tapered effexor from 75mg to 55 mg over 4months

. I haven't experienced anything major except slight aggression. When I am out on the road ,I get a feeling to hit someone, anyone.

 

Age 23

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My plan is to stay at 5-8mg and go extremely slowly from there as I have read it hits hard when we reach low doses . what do you think ?

From 2010 -2012. on klonopin and

risperdal

2012-2014. on effexxor and abilify.

tapered abilify gradually and now on

effexxor. I have tapered effexor from 75mg to 55 mg over 4months

. I haven't experienced anything major except slight aggression. When I am out on the road ,I get a feeling to hit someone, anyone.

 

Age 23

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Withdrawal symptoms can start while you are reducing dosage or, if you've gone too fast, after you have quit. They can be worse than anything you can imagine.

 

This is why we urge people to go slow from the beginning. Once withdrawal symptoms start, it can take a long time before your nervous system settles down.

 

If you have increased irritability causing you to become more "aggressive," you should take that as a warning sign -- you need to slow down in your tapering.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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canboy, I moved your posts here so we don't answer your questions in two places.

 

It might be a good idea right now to stop tapering for a while. What has been your reduction schedule in the last 3 months?

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75-68-62-55. with 1month gap between each drop. I get first bout of aggression after my drop to 62mg and after further drop to 55mg ,it moved north .

I get an uncontrollable urge to hit a stranger, I only realize it when I am in a window. naturally ,I am a very calm person And always ready to help everyone .

From 2010 -2012. on klonopin and

risperdal

2012-2014. on effexxor and abilify.

tapered abilify gradually and now on

effexxor. I have tapered effexor from 75mg to 55 mg over 4months

. I haven't experienced anything major except slight aggression. When I am out on the road ,I get a feeling to hit someone, anyone.

 

Age 23

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Hi canboy , if you recognize that that's not your usual self , take it as a warning sign.

There's no point charging ahead with your taper. Hold until you have no w/d symptoms at all ,

then wait even another couple of weeks after that before decreasing again.

 

How long have you been on 55 for?

1987-1997 pertofran , prothiaden , Prozac 1997-2002 Zoloft 2002-2004 effexor 2004-2010 Lexapro 40mg

2010-2012Cymbalta 120mg

Sept. 2012 -decreased 90mg in 6months. Care taken over by Dr Lucire in March 2013 , decreased last 30mg at 2mg per week over 3 months. July 21 , 2013- last dose of Cymbalta

Protracted withdrawal syndrome kicked in badly Jan.2014 Unrelenting akathisia until May 2014. Voluntary hosp. admission. Cocktail of Seroquel, Ativan and mirtazapine and I was well enough to go home after 14 days. Stopped all hosp. meds in next few months.

July 2014 felt v.depressed - couldn't stop crying. Started pristiq 50mg. Felt improvement within days and continued to improve, so stayed on 50mg for 8 months.

Began taper 28 Feb. 2015. Pristiq 50mg down to 45mg. Had one month of w/d symptoms. Started CES therapy in March. No w/d symptoms down to 30mg.

October 2015 , taking 25mg Pristiq. Capsules compounded with slow-release additive.

March 2016 , 21mg

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for about 3weeks on 55mg.

 

when does the withdrawal starts. I mean,if it starts after a certain drop ,and let's assume it takes 1year for symptoms to subside and to recover. It makes no sense to hold on to that point ,but to continue tapering, albeit slower.

Because it may also take around 1year to recover after taper to zero . Does it makes any sense.

From 2010 -2012. on klonopin and

risperdal

2012-2014. on effexxor and abilify.

tapered abilify gradually and now on

effexxor. I have tapered effexor from 75mg to 55 mg over 4months

. I haven't experienced anything major except slight aggression. When I am out on the road ,I get a feeling to hit someone, anyone.

 

Age 23

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Yes, that is why we tell people to taper so slowly -- to avoid starting withdrawal symptoms.

 

If there was an easier, faster way, we'd tell people about it.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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for about 3weeks on 55mg.

 

when does the withdrawal starts. I mean,if it starts after a certain drop ,and let's assume it takes 1year for symptoms to subside and to recover. It makes no sense to hold on to that point ,but to continue tapering, albeit slower.

Because it may also take around 1year to recover after taper to zero . Does it makes any sense.

 

From what I have seen on here it is the best bet to go slow in the first place as by the time symptoms that you can recognise hit your brain has suffered some damage it needs to heal from would it not be better to not put your brain through that?  This is my thinking AFTER having done everything wrong all the time. Once it starts it is an unpredictable state with no end time no for sure anything best to not let it out of the cage if you can help it a very slow taper is how to keep it caged for the most part... analogy a lion your trying to tame... if he gets out he is hell to put back in and there may be some damage along the way... if you can get him to do what you want while he is still caged and allow you to pass by... well that seems to me the smartest way to go.  For some of us the damage lingers years later it is not a guarantee that there is a get out of jail free card but to increase your odds slow taper is the best idea we have. 

I wish you peace

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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for about 3weeks on 55mg.

 

when does the withdrawal starts. I mean,if it starts after a certain drop ,and let's assume it takes 1year for symptoms to subside and to recover. It makes no sense to hold on to that point ,but to continue tapering, albeit slower.

Because it may also take around 1year to recover after taper to zero . Does it makes any sense.

 

From what I have seen on here it is the best bet to go slow in the first place as by the time symptoms that you can recognise hit your brain has suffered some damage it needs to heal from would it not be better to not put your brain through that?  This is my thinking AFTER having done everything wrong all the time. Once it starts it is an unpredictable state with no end time no for sure anything best to not let it out of the cage if you can help it a very slow taper is how to keep it caged for the most part... analogy a lion your trying to tame... if he gets out he is hell to put back in and there may be some damage along the way... if you can get him to do what you want while he is still caged and allow you to pass by... well that seems to me the smartest way to go.  For some of us the damage lingers years later it is not a guarantee that there is a get out of jail free card but to increase your odds slow taper is the best idea we have. 

I wish you peace

 

great analogy btdt

Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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If you're getting withdrawal symptoms and insist on continuing to taper, you're set on a path to make yourself worse. If you keep on doing this, we can't help you.

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for about 3weeks on 55mg.

 

when does the withdrawal starts. I mean,if it starts after a certain drop ,and let's assume it takes 1year for symptoms to subside and to recover. It makes no sense to hold on to that point ,but to continue tapering, albeit slower.

Because it may also take around 1year to recover after taper to zero . Does it makes any sense.

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/509-protracted-withdrawal-or-paws-post-acute-withdrawal-syndrome-how-long-does-it-last/

 

I am sending this link in response to this "it may also take around 1year to recover after taper to zero" 

 

You would not do brain surgery without knowing what you were doing and getting off these drugs needs some study too... to be well informed I suggest you read the pages above.  

 

I know too that people who are tapering may not be thinking great or feeling at ease so please be as stable as you can get by holding your dose then study this animal before you decide the right move for you. 

 

I wish you peace

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Hi canboy,

I just replied on your topic Mood swings or bipolar disorder ?

and thought I would check out your intro thread to read your story. Now I'm even more concerned that you are tapering too fast. You've been medicated consistently since 2010 on multiple drugs, now down to the last one and reducing faster than we recommend with what seems like little regard for what seems to be happening..... the appearance of withdrawal symptoms, which will get worse if you don't slow down.

 

Are you still taking klonopin? If not, how did you stop taking it? Withdrawal syndrome from stopping a benzo too fast after regular use is common and the symptoms can last a long time. Its possible that the drugs you took later were masking a benzo withdrawal.

 

Please would you provide a little more detail about how you tapered Abilify. When did you take your last dose?

 

I strongly suggest you stop tapering for now and hold, giving yourself a chance to re-stabilize before making any more cuts.

 

Here is our effexor tapering topic:  Tips for tapering off Effexor (venlafaxine)  for when you resume tapering.

 

But given your history and current symptoms, I recommend you consider reducing by less than 10%, especially if cuts are causing aggression and irritability.

 

If things go pretty difficult i am ready to quit my job until i get healed.

 

If you taper slowly enough and pay attention to any symptoms, slowing down if they arise, then you shouldn't need to quit you job. The idea behind this site is to help people taper slowly and safely so they can remain comfortable and functional while reducing or coming off their medications.

I'm not a doctor.  My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one.

My Introduction Thread

Full Drug and Withdrawal History

Brief Summary

Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety) Xanax PRN ~ Various other drugs over the years for side effects

2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010

Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal

DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms

Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal)

May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins.

Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes

Supplements which have helped: Vitamin C, Magnesium, Taurine

Bad reactions: Many supplements but mostly fish oil and Vitamin D

June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens.

Aug 2016 - Oct 2016 Best window ever, felt almost completely recovered

Oct 2016 -Symptoms returned - bad days and less bad days.

April 2018 - No windows, but significant improvement, it feels like permanent full recovery is close.

VIDEO: Where did the chemical imbalance theory come from?



VIDEO: How are psychiatric diagnoses made?



VIDEO: Why do psychiatric drugs have withdrawal syndromes?



VIDEO: Can psychiatric drugs cause long-lasting negative effects?

VIDEO: Dr. Claire Weekes

 

 

 

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Earlier I believed that I didn't felt any withdrawal symptom because I was on a low dose of 0.5 mg/day. After reading through some withdrawal stories, I felt lucky as I realized that the dose is enough to cause horrible withdrawal syndromes. And I tapered too fast , ( 0.25 for 2weeks and then stop ) ,under psychiatrist guidance.

I think you are right , abilify and effexxor must be masking it . But is it really possible to suffer from klonopin withdrawal after 2yrlears. I think it is my current taper that have caused it. I get an instant urge to hit people and I think it is obviously right to do it at that time. . I only realise it after it cools down after few days.

From 2010 -2012. on klonopin and

risperdal

2012-2014. on effexxor and abilify.

tapered abilify gradually and now on

effexxor. I have tapered effexor from 75mg to 55 mg over 4months

. I haven't experienced anything major except slight aggression. When I am out on the road ,I get a feeling to hit someone, anyone.

 

Age 23

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I agree with you canboy - it's much more likely to be from your recent tapering.  

 

You might want to consider updosing the effexor to the last dose you felt stable on , and hold there.

1987-1997 pertofran , prothiaden , Prozac 1997-2002 Zoloft 2002-2004 effexor 2004-2010 Lexapro 40mg

2010-2012Cymbalta 120mg

Sept. 2012 -decreased 90mg in 6months. Care taken over by Dr Lucire in March 2013 , decreased last 30mg at 2mg per week over 3 months. July 21 , 2013- last dose of Cymbalta

Protracted withdrawal syndrome kicked in badly Jan.2014 Unrelenting akathisia until May 2014. Voluntary hosp. admission. Cocktail of Seroquel, Ativan and mirtazapine and I was well enough to go home after 14 days. Stopped all hosp. meds in next few months.

July 2014 felt v.depressed - couldn't stop crying. Started pristiq 50mg. Felt improvement within days and continued to improve, so stayed on 50mg for 8 months.

Began taper 28 Feb. 2015. Pristiq 50mg down to 45mg. Had one month of w/d symptoms. Started CES therapy in March. No w/d symptoms down to 30mg.

October 2015 , taking 25mg Pristiq. Capsules compounded with slow-release additive.

March 2016 , 21mg

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Earlier I believed that I didn't felt any withdrawal symptom because I was on a low dose of 0.5 mg/day. After reading through some withdrawal stories, I felt lucky as I realized that the dose is enough to cause horrible withdrawal syndromes. And I tapered too fast , ( 0.25 for 2weeks and then stop ) ,under psychiatrist guidance.

I think you are right , abilify and effexxor must be masking it . But is it really possible to suffer from klonopin withdrawal after 2yrlears. I think it is my current taper that have caused it. I get an instant urge to hit people and I think it is obviously right to do it at that time. . I only realise it after it cools down after few days.

It is hard to say... and this is neuro emotion I know it well... 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/9809-neuro-emotions/

 

I always try to lay low when I know it is about it is one of the lions a cub maybe... but it can hurt you and those you love... sad thing is it is out and biting before I know it ... I think it a cub cause it is always able to sneek up on me... 

 

not so much any more... I tried to keep a handle on it by doing more meditation taking baths and staying away from people I loved that I did not want to hurt... cause hurting a stranger is bad enough hurting a loved one feeds the guilt and other neuro crap that comes later... regret... that stage.. best to keep to a minimum. 

peace to you

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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