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GeorgeR: Been off Paxil for 2-3 weeks now, have stomach cramps

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GeorgeR

Hi all,

 

I'm new to this community and I don't know where else to turn to.

 

I was on Paxil (30mg) for over a year mostly for anxiety and secondary for depression.

 

It worked for a little bit (first 6 months or so) then just became the norm and didn't do much for me at all but make me feel numb and uninterested in things.

 

2-3 weeks ago I decided to stop taking it completely (I know...cold turkey is bad) and the first week was a little alright, just felt like I was tunnel visioned big time and didn't know what was going on around me at all and I'd get emotional mood swings. Then came the 2nd/3rd week I don't have the tunnel vision anymore (as of late anyways), but I started getting really bad stomach aches/cramps and rarely an appetite for food at all. I always wake up in the morning everyday since then with a stomach ache and a little bit of nausea along with shivers and just feeling plainly cold.

 

I was wondering if there is anything I can do or take to get my appetite back and stop the cramps/nausea from happening every morning/into the afternoon.

 

I'd ask my doctor but she doesn't really understand this I believe and it's really hard to contact her and takes forever to see her as it is....

 

any help would be appreciated, thanks

 

George~

 

Edit: actually debating to get back on it just to stop this crap -_- but I really dont want to...go back.

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brassmonkey

Hi George-- welcome to the group.  I am so glad you found us.  Yes, there is something you can take that will help. 30mg of paxil.  What you are feeling is the start of withdrawal syndrome and believe me it will get a lot worse than this.  A CT from 30mg can cause you years of pain, we have several members who can attest to that.  You've only been off for a short time so a reinstatement to your full dose shouldn't be much of an issue.  It will take several weeks to a couple of months for things to normalize again.  Once that happens, then we can set you up with a taper schedule that will get you off the drug with a minimum of difficulty.

 

What is withdrawal syndrome? 

 

About reinstating and stabilizing to reduce withdrawal symptoms

 

Tips for tapering off Paxil (paroxetine)

 

If you would please add a signature block with your drug history, it would really help us to help you.

 

Please put your withdrawal history in your signature

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ChessieCat

Hi George,

 

Just wanted to stop by and say welcome.  You've come to the right place for support and information.

 

Of course you don't want to go back on the drug, but your brain has changed.  It's not weakness on our part.  I found these two things helped me to understand what has happened and why reinstatement, followed by a period of stabilising and then a slow 10% taper is recommended here.  Video: Healing from Antidepressants: Patterns of Recovery & Brain Remodelling.

 

The idea of reinstatement and then tapering is to keep the withdrawal symptoms to a minimum and to allow your brain to change and adapt to receiving less of the drug.

 

You can use your Intro topic to ask questions and as a journal of your progress.

 

CC

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FunkyBaboon

Hiya George and welcome to SA!

 

I can attest to CT from Paxil being a very bad idea. I did that in 2003 and have had gastrointestinal problems ever since.

 

So I'd recommend taking brassmonkey's advice and reinstating given that you only discontinued so recently. You've still got time to get off this stuff slowly and safely.

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GeorgeR

Well It's been 3 weeks today now I believe. Should I really be taking it again? I'm on Wellbutrin 150mg now for depression/anxiety instead of paxil (been taking it for the past few days/week).

 

But the problem is now my stomach pains are gone but I have this dang head pain that comes and goes above my right eye on my forehead/top of head that lasts between 10-15 seconds and goes away, then comes back on randomly every so often.

 

Withdrawals since I been off in order

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1) First week felt dizzy and out of it, like I wasn't in reality/unaware of my surroundings

2) Second week stomach pains and loss of appetite

3) Third week (now) I have on and off weird head pain above my right eye on my forehead/top of head

 

I really don't want to see what the fourth week brings if it brings anything at all that is.

 

I'm really hesitant to go back... I mean like will it kill me or something if I don't? serious question o_O

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SkyBlue

George, it's really your choice -- but I would recommend reading the forums and seeing what has happened to people who 

cold-turkeyed off of Paxil. I believe that will help you make your decision. Before coming to this forum, I was cutting Paxil by 50% 

and 25% and it's cost me months of suffering. 

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nz11

Its always a good idea to check in with sa before you start to swallow new stuff.

Its also great to do a drug sig. It can really help the mods.

 

Brassmonkey gave you excellent advise but it appears you have decided to run with the doctors advice to switch to wellbutron 

That 150mg is equivalent to about 15 mg of paxil.

 

She gave you this not because you have anxiety or depression, although she may think that  ( make no mistake about it ...these kind of words trigger a drug from a doctor ( faster than a one-legged man in a butt kicking contest!), no diagnosis needed! but because you are suffering paxil wdl which includes and is not limited to a manifestation giving the appearance of anxiety and depression. As non medical  people they are the only words we can use to describe it. But this it is not.

 

"The lack of difference between one class of antidepressants and another is now a rather frequent finding in antidepressant research." Kirsch

 

Are you aware that the wellbutron will need to be tapered?

Tips for tapering off Wellbutrin, SR, XR, XL (buproprion)

 

Oh yeah Welcome to the group George sorry you have to go through this.

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GeorgeR

Okay well I'm not taking wellbutrin anymore either LOL. Thank god it's only been a few days to a week. (havent been taking it every single day)

 

Uh... I really don't want to take Paxil though I'm a tough cookie despite all of this that's been going on inside my body. If it gets any worse I'll definitely get back on the 30mg and wean off of it for sure.

 

How long do I have to make that decision before its too late?

 

Thanks :)

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nz11

George why not fill out the drug sig ?

Had you been taking the 30 mg for the whole year?

People can only go on what you tell us or don't tell us, fill out the drug signature and the moderators may be able to suggest more specific advice.

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GeorgeR

Nvm I see it, I'll do it

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brassmonkey

No, CTWD from 30mg of paxil will not kill you.  But in all honesty, it will make you wish it had. These drugs work by making physical changes to the brain and nervous system.  Once those changes have been made, which only takes about four weeks, the drug is required to maintain them.  If the drug is removed the brain can't function properly and starts throwing every sensation and emotion imaginable and a lot you never thought of at you as it tries to sort itself out.  If the drug is removed slowly in a controlled manner the brain can undo the changes and return to normal function with a minimum of confusion.  It takes a lot longer to undo the changes than it took to make them in the first place.

 

The longer one waits to reinstate the trickier it is to do.  The brain becomes sensitized and reintroducing the drug can cause it even greater confusion then it is already experiencing.  The cut off point for a reinstatement to full dose is generally one to two weeks, after that point the risk of an adverse reaction starts to increase, and an adverse reaction makes the previous WD symptoms look pleasant.  After about four weeks we recommend reinstating a very small dose to try and take the edge off of the symptoms and make the person as comfortable as possible while they try to stabilize.  Starting and stopping other drugs during that time only adds to the confusion the brain is experiencing. 

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GeorgeR

No, CTWD from 30mg of paxil will not kill you.  But in all honesty, it will make you wish it had. These drugs work by making physical changes to the brain and nervous system.  Once those changes have been made, which only takes about four weeks, the drug is required to maintain them.  If the drug is removed the brain can't function properly and starts throwing every sensation and emotion imaginable and a lot you never thought of at you as it tries to sort itself out.  If the drug is removed slowly in a controlled manner the brain can undo the changes and return to normal function with a minimum of confusion.  It takes a lot longer to undo the changes than it took to make them in the first place.

 

The longer one waits to reinstate the trickier it is to do.  The brain becomes sensitized and reintroducing the drug can cause it even greater confusion then it is already experiencing.  The cut off point for a reinstatement to full dose is generally one to two weeks, after that point the risk of an adverse reaction starts to increase, and an adverse reaction makes the previous WD symptoms look pleasant.  After about four weeks we recommend reinstating a very small dose to try and take the edge off of the symptoms and make the person as comfortable as possible while they try to stabilize.  Starting and stopping other drugs during that time only adds to the confusion the brain is experiencing. 

That's good, thanks for the information.

 

It's been a month (exactly I believe) since I've been off it, besides random mood swings or getting irritated over little things once in a while I'm doing fantastic. Mood swings are subsiding big time and there's really not much withdrawals left. However, I have been smoking marijuana at least once a week (not sure if that helped or anything but it did relax me). I'm pretty much home free now. Just giving it a little more time.

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Fresh

That's great to hear George. You'll need to get past around 8 months to be sure , but sounds like so far , so good.

 

Best wishes ,

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