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Man with Lyme at deaths door goes surfing... and keeps going enters a healing state he calls "flow" if it worked for him...maybe it would work for us. 

 

That was the end of me, they drove me out and they put me in bed, and I couldn’t move for two weeks, people had to bring me food because I couldn’t actually make it to the kitchen just to make meals, and a couple of weeks, I could walk again literally went back to the beach and I did it again and over the course of six months, I went from about 10% functionality up to about 80% functionality and the only thing that was happening, was I going surfing and I was having very quasi weird mystical experiences in the waves.

So my first question was what the hell is going on. I am trained as a science writer and A, I don’t mystical experiences period, and B, surfing in this weird state as a cure for chronic autoimmune disease, none of it made any sense. So, originally it was a plus to figure out what the hell is going on with me and it was emphasized the fact that Lyme is only fatal if it gets into your brain and because I was having this quasi mystical experience that was so un-character for me, I thought I was losing my mind, I thought I was feeling better perhaps but it was just the disease going into remission while it worked its way in the brain and I was about to die. It was the beginning of a fairly crucial mission, what the hell is going on? And crucially just because we won’t come back to it later so people know couple of funny things about flow states is there is a profound cocktail of neurochemicals that produce this state, all these neurochemicals boost the immune system which is important, what’s really important is they also reset the nervous system.http://www.artofmanliness.com/2014/02/22/art-of-manliness-podcast-episode-58-flow-and-the-rise-of-superman-with-steven-kotler/

and he is trying to create the same in a lab.... open to try it seems.. maybe I am not sure about this

 

"Our goal at the flow genome project is literally try to open source flow state research, we have come very very far but until we have an accurate map of how the psychology lays on the neurobiology and the physiology, what we call a heat map of flow, we are not going to know the best way forever to get to a flow state. So one of the things we are doing with the flow genome project is we are turning this quest for ultimate human performance into a giant open source citizen science project. Anybody can come and run experiments essentially under our care and move this forward. So we are doing the exact opposite, the flow genome project setup specifically to hack this stuff for everybody and give it away for free. So, hopefully what you are talking about isn’t a real issue

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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sure sounds like windows and waves...doesn't it.

Reminds me why meditations is so important.. even tho I resist doing it when I need it most.  

". If you get freaked out and stressed out there you block – neurobiologically you block the learning and worst of all, if you get stressed out of the spot, you have to move from this phase back into struggle to restart the whole cycle again and you get back into flow and if you are gripped because you are not in flow anymore and you want to get back there and you just had this huge high and it’s all gone and you are very depressed, you are not going to be up for this serious fight into struggle, so understanding that it’s a cycle, understanding where you are in the process is kind of the greatest thing I can tell anybody is trying to hack flow"

 

 

Steven Kotler: So we kind of broke down our flow triggers. What I would rather say is read The Rise of Superman and figure out those flow triggers and let me lead people with something that most people don’t know, and I think that the single most important thing I can teach people about hacking flow. The information that most people find most useful over kind of 15 years of presenting this to people, this is the one thing that seems to make the most difference. Most people think flow is a binary, like a light switch. They are either in flow or you are not. Turns out that that’s not the case at all. It’s actually one stage in a four stage cycle and if you know how this cycle works, essentially you can maximize the amount of time you spend in flow and you can get through the really long hard dark periods between flow states faster. I think it’s most important I can teach people.

So, the first stage of the flow state is known as struggle, this is a loading phase. Flow happens when everything comes together perfectly in that perfect moment, the skills come together as a new skill. So, you still have to learn the skill. I am writer, the struggle phase means I am reading, I am researching, I am interviewing people, I am trying to figure out the structure of my books and articles. If I am an athlete I am learning a new skill, it’s all the grind. You just have to put it in, there is no substitute for it. You also have to know that flow on the cusp of flow it feels very unflowy, right. Struggle – it’s called struggle for a reason. It’s not pleasant, it doesn’t feel like flow it feels like absolutely exasperation, You are essentially taking your brain to the point at it which it feels like it’s about to explode when totally overloaded, then you have to take your mind off the problem.

Second state of the flow cycle is known as release, so you put in all this time to learn the new skill. Then you totally take your mind off, probably go for a walk, build paper airplane models, whatever you can do to take your mind completely off the subject, forget about it completely. What you are really doing is giving your brain the space to shift from conscious processing to subconscious processing to pass the problem over, and if you keep thinking about the problem, you can’t let it go and it won’t move that release triggers the flow state itself. This is the important thing. On the back side of the flow state, flow is a massive release of neurochemicals, you feel like superman, right? You are on top of the world, you are unstoppable and then it goes away and you feel worse than normal.

There is a big crash after the flow state. The high is gone, don’t feel like superman. All the brain’s pleasure chemicals are exhausting and the brain build them up again, so this state it’s really honestly the most important thing is to stay calm and kind of ignore it. I call it the hangover rule. When sort of you are hung over you ignore all the negative thoughts in your brain because you know you are hung over and tomorrow you are going to feel fine and you just wait, same thing here, and this is so critical because what’s happening in this phase, these four phases, that’s what memory learning and consolidation is taking place. If you get freaked out and stressed out there you block – neurobiologically you block the learning and worst of all, if you get stressed out of the spot, you have to move from this phase back into struggle to restart the whole cycle again and you get back into flow and if you are gripped because you are not in flow anymore and you want to get back there and you just had this huge high and it’s all gone and you are very depressed, you are not going to be up for this serious fight into struggle, so understanding that it’s a cycle, understanding where you are in the process is kind of the greatest thing I can tell anybody is trying to hack flow.

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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This same guy wrote a piece about ssri drugs 

From Steroids to SSRIS: What Do We Really Mean By "Performance-Enhancement?"
Should we broaden the definition of "performance-enhancing" drugs?
 
Posted Feb 25, 2008

 

And he’s not the only one. Athlete depression has long been a closet issue, but with the big money to be made in the antidepressant market, that issue is being forced into the open. Along these lines, it is GlaxoSmithKline who manufactures Paxil and it is Glaxo who hired legendary Pittsburgh Steelers’ quarterback Terry Bradshaw to be their spokesman (he is currently touring the country on "The Terry Bradshaw Depression Tour”(link is external)). So while no hard numbers exist, we can assume that a healthy portion of the ten million Americans taking their daily dose belong in the pro-athlete category. And all of these legally-obtained SSRIs are boosting their performance on the field (how this boost is occurring will be a topic for my next blog), right alongside their mood off of it.

Which raises another question: If steroids ruin careers, why does no one have a problem with Prozac Nation making the team?

 

I don't think he has heard of withdrawal ... 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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