mattinsmom Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 I cry when I'm angry. The madder I get - the harder I cry - then I get angry because I'm crying - then I cry harder - eventually I just drop from exhaustion. I feel like I've been crying since June. At it again today. Suggestion to anyone reading this - buy stock in Kleenex. I am going to start buying it in bulk Current: Lorazapam: 2mg: 4/9/15: 2mg - 1.5mg: already sick/nothing noticed. No changes in sleep noted after illness. Lamictal: 7/27/13 - 8/6/13: 400mg - 500mg(dr order) mouth sores, headache, cognitive/balance, heart palp...8/7/13 - 8/23/13: 500mg - 400mg; symptoms↓...10/10/13: 350mg; fever/flu-like <2-weeks...12/30/13: 325mg; fever/flu-like symptoms <1-week...2/10/17: 300mg; no significant changes noted. Discontinued: Omeprazole: 09/2103 40mg...5/1/14: 20mg... 8/21/14 = 0 Wellbutrin: 11/22/13: 300mg – 225mg...12/6/13 delayed reaction- mood swings, weight↓, heart palp/chest pain, alerting...12/14/13: 187mg; physical symptoms↓, neuro emotions ↑, weight stable...12/20/13: 225mg; physical symptoms return, emotions stable <1-week, weight↓...4/21/14: 187mg; weight↑...5/17/14 (neurologist ordered discontinue asap):168mg; headache, mood swings, ↑weight, sleep flux...5/24/14: 150mg; headache, mood swings, ↓cognitive/balance...6/2/14: 112mg; see above, weight stable, <3-weeks... 6/28/14: 100mg; moody...7/25/14: 87.5mg; family troubles... 8/4/14: 75mg; headaches; moody... 8/9/14: 50mg headaches... 8/12/14: 37.5mg; 8/17/14: 25mg...8/26/14 = 0 Hydroxyzine; 10mg: 5/20/15 *prn 4/5 times then dc'd. Mood changes/rage Buspirone: 7.5mg: 5/20/15 *prn 4/5 times then dc'd. No changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen042 Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 I sometimes get downright mean/irritable with my kids, and then I cry, because I love them so much. I know part of it is likely due to WD, but I also had this problem pre-drugs (except for nortriptyline, which I've never tried tapering). If I knew it were all WD I could accept it better, knowing it's temporary, but as it is I don't know if it will ever end. With depression going on as well, makes me wonder sometimes if I'm bipolar. Yes, I know that's not mentioned much around here, but I still wonder just about myself. Either way, I get angry at myself when I lose my patience. I'll snap at my kids over nothing, or honk at a driver doing nothing wrong, or throw dinner down the drain half-way cooked, because it's not coming out the way I want, or snap at my patients simply because they're slow and elderly. None of these people can help what they're doing. The problem is ME. Seems completely unfair for me to take out my own problem on someone else. It's not who I want to be. I sometimes even hate myself for getting so irritable, and it's soooooo draining to keep my cool. Used to occur just with PMS, but it seems that with age it's gotten worse. Mattismom, I can relate: I do exactly the same thing you do! Guess we're not alone here, and at least we know some if not all of it will ease up with time. Just so hard biting my tongue in the meantime. I too stay away from people as much as possible when I get this way. Wish there were a cure. Crying now just thinking of how rotten it's been- ever since puberty. I don't like being this way one bit. insomnia, anxiety, depression- since childhood lyme disease, dysautonomia, chiari malformation- dx 4/1997 nortriptyline- 75mg since childhood clonazepam- 3mg since 4/1997 trazodone-100mg since 4/2013, now tapering rotating antibiotics and antimalarials for lyme disease midodrine- 10mg for dysautonomia repeated skull surgeries for chiari malformation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus bubble Posted December 24, 2013 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 24, 2013 yes, Ellen: it is especially hard when we lash out at people we love. I feel sooooo bad for snapping at my boyfriend who is most often at the receiving end of that beastly feeling inside me just because I feel safe with him and able to be the true me for better or worse. You also touch upon a rather sensitive issue we don't discuss much here:we tend to attribute almost if not all negative emotions and bad things happening to us to withdrawal. It's rather convenient:for one thing it will go away, and for the other the blame is on the meds. But I also very often see that a lot of my 'withdrawal symptoms' are things that led me start taking ADs ;( As for me, irritability and anger were so out of character with me. I used to be (too) meek person. So allowing myself to be angry was a big milestone in my growth. Learning how to channel this anger and use it in a constructive way in line with its purpose is an altogether different thing. Requires trodding some new neurological pathways... However, I see a clear difference between anger and irritability that could be said to be a part of my personality and that almost murderous rage that consumes me at times. It's very intensity is a sign that something is very wrong and the concept of neuro emotions explains it so well. After years of dealing with this on my own since there is no point in sharing this with non-AD friends I find reading your accounts so very helpful. It eases my burden. On this Christmas Eve let's wish ourselves peace. And dear Ellen, please don't be hard on yourself:what you describe is sooo withdrawal...it will go away Current: 9/2022 Xanax 0.08, Lexapro 2 2020 Xanax 0.26 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 2.85 mg (down from 5 mg 2013) Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg. 2000-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days afterreinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax every 5 hours 28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr 2015 1 mg, 25 June 2015 Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64 Xanax 9 month hold 24 Sept 2016 4.5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2, 5 Feb 4.1, 24 Mar 4 mg, 10 Apr 3.9 mg, May 3.85, June 3.8, July 3.75, 22 July 3.7, 15 Aug 3.65, 17 Sept 3.6, 1 Jan 2018 3.55, 19 Jan 3.5, 16 Mar 3.4, 14 Apr 3.3, 23 May 3.2, 16 June 3.15, 15 Jul 3.1, 31 Jul 3, 21 Aug 2.9 26 Sept 2.85, 14 Nov Xan 0.61, 1 Dec 0.59, 19 Dec 0.58, 4 Jan 0.565, 6 Feb 0.55, 20 Feb 0.535, 1 Mar 0.505, 10 Mar 0.475, 14 Mar 0.45, 4 Apr 0.415, 13 Apr 0.37, 21 Apr 0.33, 29 Apr 0.29, 10 May 0.27, 17 May 0.25, 28 May 0.22, 19 June 0.22, 21 Jun updose to 0.24, 24 Jun updose to 0.26 Supplements: Omega 3 + Vit E, Vit C, D, magnesium, Taurine, probiotic I'm not a medical professional. Any advice I give is based on my own experience and reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapunzel2 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 just wanted to mention I'm just dying of rage, and it's so hard to control myself. my feelings are all over the place! the littlest things tick me off. I don't want to be so mean person! I wonder if it goes WORSE the further I go and the smaller the doses get? in 2002- 0,5 tablet cipramil for half a year, ended it uneventfully. in 2006 - citalopram for half a year, ended in horrific state, ditched the drugs CT. 2007-2008 not feeling well but drug free. in 2008 prozac 20mg + quetiapine 25mg. 2009 tried to stop, ended up in hole after couple of months, started zoloft. 2009-2011 zoloft 50mg. went to 25mg in 2011 summer, it resulted in half a year horrible suffering. reinstated, changed drugs, nothing happened. by 2012 beginning suddenly felt great and CT meds. after 4 months came suddenly most horrible human suffering that's possible. was started on prozac and questiapine. started tapering slowly, GFCF diet and Hardy Nutritionals vitamins in 2013 summer. current medications: 1) fluoxetine and quetiapine since Aug 2012; 2) Daily Essential Nutrients by Hardy Nutritionals 7 capsules / since May 2013 + omega3; 3) Gluten-free-casein-free diet since june 2013 Started withdrawing slowly since april 2013. Mostly around 10% cuts. April'13 - March'14: fluoxetine 40mg -> 19,5mg; quetiapine 50mg -> 40mg April'14-March'15: fluoxetine 19,5mg -> 14,4mg; quetiapine 40mg -> 22mg April'15-March'16: fluoxetine 14,4mg -> 7,4mg; quetiapine 22mg -> 15mg April'16-March'17: fluoxetine 7,4mg -> 5,0mg; quetiapine 15mg -> 7,25mg April'17-March'18: fluoxetine 5,0mg -> 4,0mg; quetiapine 7,25mg -> 0 (as of 1st Feb 2018)!!!! April´18-March´19: fluoxetine 4,0mg - > 2,3mg. Jumped off fluoxetine 1,4mg due to pregnancy in July 2019. Oct 2019 severe withdrawal syndrome started. Took mistakenly a complex for hormonal support that included pregnenolone dec2019-april2020. Stopped it april 2020 and immediately severe akathisia started. Have had life threatening akathisia since, 100% disabled, suicidal, very hard to hold on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meimeiquest Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 It has for me. But it did end with my other drugs...now I'm back in it. 1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms. Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12 Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13 Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15 11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble) 9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol 7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol 56 years old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beans Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 rapunzel2, I also have a lot of anger. It was so bad in January that I updosed from 3.5 to 7 mg. It helped some. I've googled 'getting rid of anger' sort of questions and tried things like exercise and very cold shower that help some too. I have a lot of trouble with spikes of anger and rage. I find that embarrassment from the past is a major pre-occupation for my thoughts, and rage easily gets stirred up if I linger on past arguments. Not to mentioned being instantly annoyed at sounds, lights, requests. If I don't overeat, I seem to handle everything a little better. Also, when I'm having trouble sleeping, which goes along with these anger phases, I've been listening to an audio recording by Tara Brach [her non-commercial website is: http://www.tarabrach.com/audioarchives-guided-meditations.html ] and it helps me specifically to notice and release the feelings from my body before they get too intense. hope you can find some relief soon beans Celexa 20 mg 2002Benzo FREE - Tapered clonazepam 8/11 to 6/13 Began liquid Celexa taper 2/13 4/29/13 - 17 mg 11/13 - 4 mg 12/12/13 - 3.5 mg too angry > updosed 1/21/14 - 7 mg slowly to 2 mg 10/1/14 too emotional > 2 mg and holding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus Petunia Posted March 14, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted March 14, 2014 During times in my life when I've been doing self insight work and there has been lots of anger coming up, I would journal about it and get it out on a mental level. Then I would walk at a fast pace and go through it all again in my mind, thinking about all the things I was angry about and why and all the people who had caused me to be hurt. It was like the physical activity kind of released it on the physical level. I think the important thing with anger is to let our self feel it and release it, without acting on it, then when we are calm again, we can make a rational decision about what to do. I went through this whole process today actually, got a text message from someone which annoyed me. I worked through my feelings about it first, then when it didn't bother me any more, I replied. I'm not a doctor. My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one. My Introduction Thread Full Drug and Withdrawal History Brief Summary Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety) Xanax PRN ~ Various other drugs over the years for side effects 2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010 Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal) May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins. Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes Supplements which have helped: Vitamin C, Magnesium, Taurine Bad reactions: Many supplements but mostly fish oil and Vitamin D June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens. Aug 2016 - Oct 2016 Best window ever, felt almost completely recovered Oct 2016 -Symptoms returned - bad days and less bad days. April 2018 - No windows, but significant improvement, it feels like permanent full recovery is close. VIDEO: Where did the chemical imbalance theory come from? VIDEO: How are psychiatric diagnoses made? VIDEO: Why do psychiatric drugs have withdrawal syndromes? VIDEO: Can psychiatric drugs cause long-lasting negative effects? VIDEO: Dr. Claire Weekes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus bubble Posted March 14, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted March 14, 2014 that's brilliant Petu and exactly as my psychologist advised: anger mobilises a lot of energy. If we try to contain it, it will morph into depression, eat us from inside. If we let it out uncontrolably, it will be like an explosion causing hurt to others but also ourselves. So as you say, it's best to let it out: emotionally and physically in a safe way and then when we have calmed down, react rationally to address the problem that caused anger. my psychologist said: don't act from anger but because of anger. It is basically useful if you know how to use it properly.It mobilises energy that you can use for fixing things... But when it is fueled by neuro emotions everything gets a lot more complicated... Current: 9/2022 Xanax 0.08, Lexapro 2 2020 Xanax 0.26 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 2.85 mg (down from 5 mg 2013) Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg. 2000-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days afterreinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax every 5 hours 28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr 2015 1 mg, 25 June 2015 Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64 Xanax 9 month hold 24 Sept 2016 4.5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2, 5 Feb 4.1, 24 Mar 4 mg, 10 Apr 3.9 mg, May 3.85, June 3.8, July 3.75, 22 July 3.7, 15 Aug 3.65, 17 Sept 3.6, 1 Jan 2018 3.55, 19 Jan 3.5, 16 Mar 3.4, 14 Apr 3.3, 23 May 3.2, 16 June 3.15, 15 Jul 3.1, 31 Jul 3, 21 Aug 2.9 26 Sept 2.85, 14 Nov Xan 0.61, 1 Dec 0.59, 19 Dec 0.58, 4 Jan 0.565, 6 Feb 0.55, 20 Feb 0.535, 1 Mar 0.505, 10 Mar 0.475, 14 Mar 0.45, 4 Apr 0.415, 13 Apr 0.37, 21 Apr 0.33, 29 Apr 0.29, 10 May 0.27, 17 May 0.25, 28 May 0.22, 19 June 0.22, 21 Jun updose to 0.24, 24 Jun updose to 0.26 Supplements: Omega 3 + Vit E, Vit C, D, magnesium, Taurine, probiotic I'm not a medical professional. Any advice I give is based on my own experience and reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruby Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 The heightened emotional sensitivity, anger, shame, sadness... makes it difficult for me to maintain relationships. I think when I was on meds, I didn't react in anger to people's b.s. because I was too numb to notice how I was actually feeling. I find it hard to engage with people with long stretches of time yet I want company so I do activities with people and take classes or go to meditation sessions where I have autonomy but still surrounded by people. Being around family is really challenging; I get triggered so much. The loss of friendships during this marathon withdrawal (chronic illness) is so difficult to bear. I wonder if I'll ever be able to make close friends again. 1993-2003 Prozac 20mg2003-2010 Zoloft 10mg2010-2012 Zoloft 10mg to 1mg (taper)July 2012 - Drug free! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beans Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Brilliant comes to mind when I read your post too Petu. Writing out the anger as a first step sounds so wise, because anger energy is so ready to start galloping in any direction at full speed. But writing and bringing the drama to the mental level is harnessing 'the beast' & setting the direction before the gallop begins. Both are important. Without the mental work, exercising while focusing on anger issues will only expend the energy temporarily. And focusing on the anger issues without the exercise, like bubble said, it can eat us from the inside. I still have try it, but it sounds wise. Celexa 20 mg 2002Benzo FREE - Tapered clonazepam 8/11 to 6/13 Began liquid Celexa taper 2/13 4/29/13 - 17 mg 11/13 - 4 mg 12/12/13 - 3.5 mg too angry > updosed 1/21/14 - 7 mg slowly to 2 mg 10/1/14 too emotional > 2 mg and holding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compsports Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Unfortunately, due to my severe sleep deprivation issues, this is roaring its ugly head again big time. I realize I need to learn the danger signals and back off before it is too late. I seem to get frustrated way too easily. CS Drug cocktail 1995 - 2010 Started taper of Adderall, Wellbutrin XL, Remeron, and Doxepin in 2006 Finished taper on June 10, 2010 Temazepam on a PRN basis approximately twice a month - 2014 to 2016 Beginning in 2017 - Consumption increased to about two times per week April 2017 - Increased to taking it full time for insomnia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormageddon Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 I've been struggling with this a lot, almost constantly since I began my Celexa taper. I'm currently living with my boyfriend, and I have been for almost 7 years now. That has gone well for us until the withdrawals. I just feel the intense need to be alone because every little thing irritates me and angers me. I don't have anywhere I can go to just be alone. He works 8-5 on the weekdays, so I have that time to myself, but evenings and weekends have been hellish for me (I work from home by the way). I hate feeling this way! I hate feeling like a grumpy, bitter, angry person. I hear him chewing on a snack and I have to leave the room. I've had absolutely no libido or desire for any human touch and I just wish I could live on my own private island all by myself. He says he understands but it makes me feel so guilty. I've been reading these forums and I see some of you talking about symptoms taking years to get better. I've only been feeling like this for months and I'm at my wits end. I can't imagine years! I feel so hopeless! How do you deal with being so irritable and unable to be around anyone when you don't live alone? How do you keep from losing your mind from such a long and frustrating journey? Antidepressant use since around 1994. Mood stabilizers/antipsychotics added 2 years later due to bipolar misdiagnoses Depakote taper started at 250mg June 2014 Celexa taper started at 20mg Aug. 2014 Diazepam taper started at 4mg Oct. 2015 Depakote free since July 20, 2014 Diazepam free since April 4, 2016 Discontinued Celexa Oct. 19, 2014 Reinstated at 5mg October 28, 2014 Now taking 1.7mg celexa per day (5mg every three days) since May 16, 2016 Signature updated on May 24, 2016 My introduction thread: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/7241-stormageddon-withdrawal-from-depakote-and-celexa/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beans Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Hi all, just checking in. My anger and irritability have not gone away. Unfortunately I must say it has gotten worse with time. I'm still tapering - 2 mg. That said, I am finding some things helpful. I have a 3 minute breathing technique (pranayam) called Anulom Vilom that I do in the morning and even in the car before I go to work or whenever I think of it and am not in public and have time. Also sometimes I'll listen to a free meditation site by Tara Brach (that I think is Buddhist, but it very non-religious): http://www.tarabrach.com/audioarchives-guided-meditations.html My boyfriend is long suffering that is all I can say. Yoga class. walking a lot. eating well. time.... That's all I got. best of luck to you. Celexa 20 mg 2002Benzo FREE - Tapered clonazepam 8/11 to 6/13 Began liquid Celexa taper 2/13 4/29/13 - 17 mg 11/13 - 4 mg 12/12/13 - 3.5 mg too angry > updosed 1/21/14 - 7 mg slowly to 2 mg 10/1/14 too emotional > 2 mg and holding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cdav Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I'm on the same boat. Neuro-emotions and WD symptoms seem to cycle for me. One week it's depression, next anxiety, next akathisia, this week it's irritability and horrible anger… There are just a few little windows of peace and contempt that last less than a day. I can't stand my boyfriend right now. I don't want him to touch me. I feel completely bitter. For some reason many bad memories about things we've said to each other during an argument are coming back to my mind. These situations were supposed to be forgiven and forgotten! Now these memories are back and making me terribly angry. I can't see him right now, because he will want to touch me and I don't want to be touched at all! I already texted him so many hurtful messages full of hate. Last week I felt good with him, in love and cozy around him, enjoying his touch and his company. Right now, it's the opposite. I can't even stand myself. Poor man. I'm starting to think it would be better for him to get a healthy girlfriend. And that makes me really sad. The only thing that helps me a for a little while is exercise, mostly walking but also jogging. I'm going to try some yoga tomorrow, I hope it helps. -Effexor 150 mgs (2001-2009). Severe withdrawal symptoms during and after tapering for 6 months. -Pristiq 50 mg (2009-2012) Tapered over a year. Worst year of my life. -Prozac 20 mg (2012) Tapered over 6 moths to ease withdrawal. Still had severe WD symptoms. - (2012-2014) Doctor tried more than 20 medications for depression and WD, leaving me hypersensitive, and in protracted withdrawal. - Most debilitating symptoms during protracted withdrawal have been deep depression, anxiety, brain zaps, fatigue, akathisia, twitching, headaches and terrible PMS. -January 2015: Started Lamictal 12.5 mg, increased to 25 mg.- Bad reaction when updosed to 50 mg. Stopped. -February 2015: Doctor tried new antidepressant Brintellix - Horrible reaction. Discontinued completely. Severe AKATHISIA started. -March 2015: Started TMS therapy (Transcranial magnetic stimulation) for severe depression. Didn't work. -July 23-August 12: Had 10 ECT sessions which took away my protracted withdrawal symptoms including: akathisia, brain zaps, muscle twitches, fatigue and depression. Stopped medications. -September 2015: Experiencing bouts of depression again and muscle twitching. -March 2016: Started 20 mg Nortryptiline for depression. It helped. -August 2016: Slowly tapering Nortryptiline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beans Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Hey, good luck with the yoga. It's one of the best things in my life. I'd suggest taking at least six different classes (if you don't like the first one) before you make your mind up about it, because teachers can be VERY very, different. Celexa 20 mg 2002Benzo FREE - Tapered clonazepam 8/11 to 6/13 Began liquid Celexa taper 2/13 4/29/13 - 17 mg 11/13 - 4 mg 12/12/13 - 3.5 mg too angry > updosed 1/21/14 - 7 mg slowly to 2 mg 10/1/14 too emotional > 2 mg and holding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie3 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I am looking for ideas on what has helped others with agitation and anger. I feel so agitated most of the time lately. I just want to stay in my little bubble inside my head and sometimes when people try to pull me out of my bubble or I need to focus on things I get extremely agitated. There is no reasoning behind my agitation it is just there and these strong feelings are depressing me. I have been trying some deep breathing. Any other advice? 1998-2013 Various antidepressants switches and CTs. Benzo addiction unknowingly trying to cover withdrawals in 2011 January 2012,, 25 mg Zoloft , March 2012, Remeron 7.5 to sleep and 1 mg Clonazepam. Tapered Clonazepam from April to June 2012 from 1 mg to .25 mg (stuck) September to October 2012 tapered Remeron 7.5 mg to 5 mg. December upped to .75 mg Clonazepam due to mothers passing of cancer. February 2013 to December 2013 tapered off 25 mg Zoloft January 2014 to March 2014 tapered off 5 mg Remeron Doing not to bad, not perfect but okay. Here is where I screw up May 2014 to October 2014 tapered Clonazepam from .75 mg to .25 mg. Rapidly worsening every week. January 2015 updosed Clonazepam to .5 mg. Big Mistake - Holding Currently .25 mg Clonazepam 11 pm at night (give or take an hour) and .25 mg 9 am in the morning (give or take an hour) Hope this isn't to confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo71 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 How long does the anger tend to last for? It's been four and a half months since I reduced from 2.4mg to 2.2mg of paroxetine. I can't take much more! Had been on paroxetine for 10 years when I started to experience 'poop out' in 2008. Began a slow taper in early 2009. Got down to 3.2 mg in Jan 2012 and held for 21 months. Oct 2013 - reduced to 2.8 mg April 2014 - reduced to 2.4 mg Oct 2014 - reduced to 2.2 mg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormageddon Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I'm right there with ya, Jimbo. I last reduced my dose 4 months ago too and I'm still angry and irritable most of the time. It's so frustrating! I hate being like this. I don't know what to do. Antidepressant use since around 1994. Mood stabilizers/antipsychotics added 2 years later due to bipolar misdiagnoses Depakote taper started at 250mg June 2014 Celexa taper started at 20mg Aug. 2014 Diazepam taper started at 4mg Oct. 2015 Depakote free since July 20, 2014 Diazepam free since April 4, 2016 Discontinued Celexa Oct. 19, 2014 Reinstated at 5mg October 28, 2014 Now taking 1.7mg celexa per day (5mg every three days) since May 16, 2016 Signature updated on May 24, 2016 My introduction thread: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/7241-stormageddon-withdrawal-from-depakote-and-celexa/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberdeen Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I have felt like this since I began my taper. I dont really wait for it to pass...I once waited 4 months early in my taper to no avail. I think its just part of the process. I sometimes really only feel ok when Im completely alone,lol. I have young kids and a husband who works from home and is in my face whenever Im home...so I have a lot to be annoyed by. i also have terrible PMS which makes it worse. I cant wait for it to be over with! 1 2 Timothy 1-7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. Effexor 75mg to 262.5mg 2005-2010 for post partum depression Started having poop out mid 2010, also switched generic brands, then crashed in Dec 2010 (anxiety/ "terror", intense DR, anhedonia, suicidal ideation, chills, insomnia, horrible intrusive thoughts, disorientation, ect)Rapid "tapered" from 262.5mg Effexor in 3 months Tried Celexa,Cipralex, then Paxil to deal with wd(this switching made things worse and added akathesia) Found online support and started tapering Paxil 7 months after quitting Effexor (at this point was having small windows). Paxil taper: dropped 10% every 4-8 weeks Year 1 October 2011 to Nov 2012 20mg to 10mg Year 2 March 2013 to Feb 2014 10mg to 4mg Year 3 April 2014 to May 2015 4mg to 1.1mg Year 4 June 2015 1.1mg , dropping by 10% until .5mg, after then dropped by 0.1mg every 5 weeks until 0.1mg. Finished! Official last dose of 0.1mg on June 15/16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberdeen Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I cant even stand my dogs licking themselves, i want to shove them outside untied and pray they run away. I hate chewing sounds, people breathing, and clocks. I cant even be bothered to pick something up if it drops because Im too mad at it. This aside from how annoying actual real things are!!! 2 Timothy 1-7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. Effexor 75mg to 262.5mg 2005-2010 for post partum depression Started having poop out mid 2010, also switched generic brands, then crashed in Dec 2010 (anxiety/ "terror", intense DR, anhedonia, suicidal ideation, chills, insomnia, horrible intrusive thoughts, disorientation, ect)Rapid "tapered" from 262.5mg Effexor in 3 months Tried Celexa,Cipralex, then Paxil to deal with wd(this switching made things worse and added akathesia) Found online support and started tapering Paxil 7 months after quitting Effexor (at this point was having small windows). Paxil taper: dropped 10% every 4-8 weeks Year 1 October 2011 to Nov 2012 20mg to 10mg Year 2 March 2013 to Feb 2014 10mg to 4mg Year 3 April 2014 to May 2015 4mg to 1.1mg Year 4 June 2015 1.1mg , dropping by 10% until .5mg, after then dropped by 0.1mg every 5 weeks until 0.1mg. Finished! Official last dose of 0.1mg on June 15/16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormageddon Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Yes the misophonia with the chewing sounds are the worst! It's getting to where I'm even getting annoyed at my own chewing sounds. If I mess something up cooking or doing anything I get so angry and sometimes blow up. I was having a hard time dying my hair a few weeks back, so I just gave up and took a shower to rinse it out and I was so angry I was punching the shower walls. I hurt my wrist and knuckles pretty bad doing that. I was reading about misophonia and if there's anything I can do to help with that because it's driving me nuts. And from some of the articles I was reading, it's often linked to magnesium deficiency. I realized that I probably don't get much magnesium in my diet and the multivitamin that I take doesn't have much in it, so I got myself some magnesium supplements. I've been taking them for about a week now and I'm not seeing much of a difference. I'm not sure how long it's supposed to take before it does anything. Has anyone else here tried magnesium supplements for this or any other symptoms? Antidepressant use since around 1994. Mood stabilizers/antipsychotics added 2 years later due to bipolar misdiagnoses Depakote taper started at 250mg June 2014 Celexa taper started at 20mg Aug. 2014 Diazepam taper started at 4mg Oct. 2015 Depakote free since July 20, 2014 Diazepam free since April 4, 2016 Discontinued Celexa Oct. 19, 2014 Reinstated at 5mg October 28, 2014 Now taking 1.7mg celexa per day (5mg every three days) since May 16, 2016 Signature updated on May 24, 2016 My introduction thread: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/7241-stormageddon-withdrawal-from-depakote-and-celexa/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Annie, have you tried any of the recommended supplements? Some swear by fish oil, others by magnesium. I thought coconut oil helped me. I am definitely far better than I was when I joined. Might be the passage of time, might be supplements. Some web sites recommend over-the-counter Benadryl for akathisia (which includes agitation and irritability), though it too can be a problem drug. I used it as crutch at times, and sometimes still use it for sleep. I can't really recommend any drug in good conscience though. 2009: Cancer hospital said I had adjustment disorder because I thought they were doing it wrong. Their headshrinker prescribed Effexor, and my life set on a new course. I didn't know what was ahead, like a passenger on Disneyland's Matterhorn, smiling and waving as it climbs...clink, clink, clink. 2010: Post surgical accidental Effexor discontinuation by nurses, masked by intravenous Dilaudid. (The car is balanced at the top of the track.) I get home, pop a Vicodin, and ... Whooosh...down, down, down, down, down...goes the trajectory of my life, up goes my mood and tendency to think everything is a good idea.2012: After the bipolar jig was up, now a walking bag of unrelated symptoms, I went crazy on Daytrana (the Ritalin skin patch by Noven), because ADHD was a perfect fit for a bag of unrelated symptoms. I was prescribed Effexor for the nervousness of it, and things got neurological. An EEG showed enough activity to warrant an epilepsy diagnosis rather than non-epileptic ("psychogenic") seizures. 2013-2014: Quit everything and got worse. I probably went through DAWS: dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome. I drank to not feel, but I felt a lot: dread, fear, regret, grief: an utter sense of total loss of everything worth breathing about, for almost two years. I was not suicidal but I wanted to be dead, at least dead to the experience of my own brain and body. 2015: I began to recover after adding virgin coconut oil and organic grass-fed fed butter to a cup of instant coffee in the morning. I did it hoping for mental acuity and better memory. After ten days of that, I was much better, mood-wise. Approximately neutral. And, I experienced drowsiness. I could sleep. Not exactly happy, I did 30 days on Wellbutrin, because it had done me no harm in the past. I don't have the DAWS mood or state of mind. It never feel like doing anything if it means standing up. In fact, I don't especially like moving. I'm a brain with a beanbag body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie3 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Thanks Westcoast, My anger went away, but alas it is right back up there. I was irritable with my little girl last night I was in tears after and ridden with guilt because she is so sensitive. I do use magnesium oil daily and I think it helps. Fish oil revs me big time, but I am going to try the coconut oil again. Are you making the bulletproof coffee? Is that what you are using it for? Benedryl would be out for me, I have never tried it but Gravol sends me into a very bad state so too scared to try it. It doesn't help that I have PMS right now too. I think I may add Flax oil back in I seem to tolerate it very well. 1998-2013 Various antidepressants switches and CTs. Benzo addiction unknowingly trying to cover withdrawals in 2011 January 2012,, 25 mg Zoloft , March 2012, Remeron 7.5 to sleep and 1 mg Clonazepam. Tapered Clonazepam from April to June 2012 from 1 mg to .25 mg (stuck) September to October 2012 tapered Remeron 7.5 mg to 5 mg. December upped to .75 mg Clonazepam due to mothers passing of cancer. February 2013 to December 2013 tapered off 25 mg Zoloft January 2014 to March 2014 tapered off 5 mg Remeron Doing not to bad, not perfect but okay. Here is where I screw up May 2014 to October 2014 tapered Clonazepam from .75 mg to .25 mg. Rapidly worsening every week. January 2015 updosed Clonazepam to .5 mg. Big Mistake - Holding Currently .25 mg Clonazepam 11 pm at night (give or take an hour) and .25 mg 9 am in the morning (give or take an hour) Hope this isn't to confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beans Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I started taking magnesium citrate, calcium citrate and vit c recently, but haven't noticed anything yet. Just hanging in there. Celexa 20 mg 2002Benzo FREE - Tapered clonazepam 8/11 to 6/13 Began liquid Celexa taper 2/13 4/29/13 - 17 mg 11/13 - 4 mg 12/12/13 - 3.5 mg too angry > updosed 1/21/14 - 7 mg slowly to 2 mg 10/1/14 too emotional > 2 mg and holding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormageddon Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Keep hanging in there. It's been really hard for me to hang in there lately but I figure we're all in this together. And there I go getting all cheesy, but it really does help to have people you can talk to who are going through the same thing. Antidepressant use since around 1994. Mood stabilizers/antipsychotics added 2 years later due to bipolar misdiagnoses Depakote taper started at 250mg June 2014 Celexa taper started at 20mg Aug. 2014 Diazepam taper started at 4mg Oct. 2015 Depakote free since July 20, 2014 Diazepam free since April 4, 2016 Discontinued Celexa Oct. 19, 2014 Reinstated at 5mg October 28, 2014 Now taking 1.7mg celexa per day (5mg every three days) since May 16, 2016 Signature updated on May 24, 2016 My introduction thread: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/7241-stormageddon-withdrawal-from-depakote-and-celexa/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I was following the recipe but not using the right kind of coffee. I just used normal coffee. I'm not sure I got any new energy or better memory. Definitely lost the morning terror, though. Very possibly a coincidence. 2009: Cancer hospital said I had adjustment disorder because I thought they were doing it wrong. Their headshrinker prescribed Effexor, and my life set on a new course. I didn't know what was ahead, like a passenger on Disneyland's Matterhorn, smiling and waving as it climbs...clink, clink, clink. 2010: Post surgical accidental Effexor discontinuation by nurses, masked by intravenous Dilaudid. (The car is balanced at the top of the track.) I get home, pop a Vicodin, and ... Whooosh...down, down, down, down, down...goes the trajectory of my life, up goes my mood and tendency to think everything is a good idea.2012: After the bipolar jig was up, now a walking bag of unrelated symptoms, I went crazy on Daytrana (the Ritalin skin patch by Noven), because ADHD was a perfect fit for a bag of unrelated symptoms. I was prescribed Effexor for the nervousness of it, and things got neurological. An EEG showed enough activity to warrant an epilepsy diagnosis rather than non-epileptic ("psychogenic") seizures. 2013-2014: Quit everything and got worse. I probably went through DAWS: dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome. I drank to not feel, but I felt a lot: dread, fear, regret, grief: an utter sense of total loss of everything worth breathing about, for almost two years. I was not suicidal but I wanted to be dead, at least dead to the experience of my own brain and body. 2015: I began to recover after adding virgin coconut oil and organic grass-fed fed butter to a cup of instant coffee in the morning. I did it hoping for mental acuity and better memory. After ten days of that, I was much better, mood-wise. Approximately neutral. And, I experienced drowsiness. I could sleep. Not exactly happy, I did 30 days on Wellbutrin, because it had done me no harm in the past. I don't have the DAWS mood or state of mind. It never feel like doing anything if it means standing up. In fact, I don't especially like moving. I'm a brain with a beanbag body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prestorb Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I have found chelated magnesium seems to help and is supposed to be more easily absorbed by the body than other forms. I take 400 mg before bed to help with sleep. Might be worth a try! 2005-2009, Lexapro 10 - 20 mg, CT WD w/severe depression and anxiety: 2010-2015, Paxil, 30 - 40 mg, tapered off at 10 mg/week, moderate anxiety and depression: 2010-2015, Clonozapam 0.25 mg, as needed for anxiety and sleep: 1/10/2015, Zoloft 25 mg, tried to increase to 50 and 75, but nausea and dizziness: 2/13/2015, Paxil 5 mg, added back after 2 weeks at zero to reduce WD: 2/28/2015, Paxil 10 mg, increased from 5 mg to reduce WD, HOLDING: 3/04/2015, Zoloft discontinued (reduced to ~12.5 mg on 2/19, ~6.25 mg on 2/26, then zero): 4/26/2015, Paxil starting 10% taper (no scale so was inadvertently at 20% taper, yikes!): 4/30/2015, Paxil 10 mg, reinstated (WD disappeared between August 2015 and May 2016) 5/02/2016, Started 10% taper, reinstated to 10 mg on 5/11/16: 4/29/2017, Last dose of Paxil (working with holistic psychiatrist, lots of supplements to aid WD): Primary symptoms: apathy, demotivation, anhedonia, fatigue, stress intolerance, moderate social anxiety 7/1/2018 Finally feeling like myself again, success!!! Praise God! Even with the stress of relocating recently, I am feeling pretty good most of the time now. Granted, I eat healthy, I exercise, I don't drink caffeine or alcohol and I try hard find a healthy balance of quiet and social times. Hang in there and keep the faith, you can do it too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormageddon Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 I tried to find chelated magnesium, but they were out of the kind that I found online at my local drug store (I didn't want to wait for it to come in the mail). They handed me a bottle that just said "magnesium" and said it's basically the same thing. I'm not noticing any progress, so now I'm kinda wishing I would have ordered online. Also, I've been taking mine in the morning, maybe I should switch to before bed. I didn't know it was supposed to help with sleep. I need lots of help in that department! Antidepressant use since around 1994. Mood stabilizers/antipsychotics added 2 years later due to bipolar misdiagnoses Depakote taper started at 250mg June 2014 Celexa taper started at 20mg Aug. 2014 Diazepam taper started at 4mg Oct. 2015 Depakote free since July 20, 2014 Diazepam free since April 4, 2016 Discontinued Celexa Oct. 19, 2014 Reinstated at 5mg October 28, 2014 Now taking 1.7mg celexa per day (5mg every three days) since May 16, 2016 Signature updated on May 24, 2016 My introduction thread: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/7241-stormageddon-withdrawal-from-depakote-and-celexa/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
044hnoor Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Some swear by fish oil, others by magnesium. I thought coconut oil helped me. I am definitely far better than I was when I joined. Might be the passage of time, might be supplements. NOOR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus JanCarol Posted February 21, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 21, 2015 Supplements are only half of the quandary. Even if it is neuro-anger (false anger, induced by the chemicals) if you don't release it, if you hold it in, it will cause you problems later. Can you be physical? Go for a run, go for a walk, or a bike ride? Something solitary where your anger won't be triggered? If the breathing helps, can you do yoga? There are several articles on yoga here on SA, and on Beyond Meds, and thousands of videos on YouTube to choose from Here is a guided meditation for accepting your symptoms (as anger is an emotional symptom): http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8218-a-calming-guided-breathing-exercise-for-symptom-acceptance/ I love to go to karate classes, and I've been more angry since an injured hand has pulled me from the dojo. Kicking and punching, and trying new things seems to wring out the anger very thoroughly. I'm much kinder to my hubby when I've been attending karate, and it's been extra challenging since I've been out of classes for nearly 3 months now. There are other things, if martial arts are not your gig. Ecstatic dance. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/5044-dance-meditation-shamanic-ecstasy-healing-arts-httpwpmep5nnb-9us-highly-recommended-healing-dance/ Anger is an adrenaline/cortisol creating emotion (well, chicken and egg, which came first?) - in my opinion it is important to take anger and DO something with it. "Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again. My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices. A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia. CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013. Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine). Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 - Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years on Lithium). Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made. The tedious thread (my intro): JanCarol ☼ Reboxetine first, then Lithium The happy thread (my success story): JanCarol - Undiagnosed Off all bipolar drugs My own blog: https://shamanexplorations.com/shamans-blog/ I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prestorb Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 It's not the same, you cannot buy it at a drug store, it has to be a vitamin store. I've looked at drug stores as well and never found it, I have bought it at GNC and Vitamin Shoppe and it's cheap. Oh yes, take it right before you go to bed but try to find the chelated form. Hopefully, it will help you sleep! 2005-2009, Lexapro 10 - 20 mg, CT WD w/severe depression and anxiety: 2010-2015, Paxil, 30 - 40 mg, tapered off at 10 mg/week, moderate anxiety and depression: 2010-2015, Clonozapam 0.25 mg, as needed for anxiety and sleep: 1/10/2015, Zoloft 25 mg, tried to increase to 50 and 75, but nausea and dizziness: 2/13/2015, Paxil 5 mg, added back after 2 weeks at zero to reduce WD: 2/28/2015, Paxil 10 mg, increased from 5 mg to reduce WD, HOLDING: 3/04/2015, Zoloft discontinued (reduced to ~12.5 mg on 2/19, ~6.25 mg on 2/26, then zero): 4/26/2015, Paxil starting 10% taper (no scale so was inadvertently at 20% taper, yikes!): 4/30/2015, Paxil 10 mg, reinstated (WD disappeared between August 2015 and May 2016) 5/02/2016, Started 10% taper, reinstated to 10 mg on 5/11/16: 4/29/2017, Last dose of Paxil (working with holistic psychiatrist, lots of supplements to aid WD): Primary symptoms: apathy, demotivation, anhedonia, fatigue, stress intolerance, moderate social anxiety 7/1/2018 Finally feeling like myself again, success!!! Praise God! Even with the stress of relocating recently, I am feeling pretty good most of the time now. Granted, I eat healthy, I exercise, I don't drink caffeine or alcohol and I try hard find a healthy balance of quiet and social times. Hang in there and keep the faith, you can do it too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie3 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Supplements are only half of the quandary. Even if it is neuro-anger (false anger, induced by the chemicals) if you don't release it, if you hold it in, it will cause you problems later. Can you be physical? Go for a run, go for a walk, or a bike ride? Something solitary where your anger won't be triggered? If the breathing helps, can you do yoga? There are several articles on yoga here on SA, and on Beyond Meds, and thousands of videos on YouTube to choose from Here is a guided meditation for accepting your symptoms (as anger is an emotional symptom): http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8218-a-calming-guided-breathing-exercise-for-symptom-acceptance/ I love to go to karate classes, and I've been more angry since an injured hand has pulled me from the dojo. Kicking and punching, and trying new things seems to wring out the anger very thoroughly. I'm much kinder to my hubby when I've been attending karate, and it's been extra challenging since I've been out of classes for nearly 3 months now. There are other things, if martial arts are not your gig. Ecstatic dance. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/5044-dance-meditation-shamanic-ecstasy-healing-arts-httpwpmep5nnb-9us-highly-recommended-healing-dance/ Anger is an adrenaline/cortisol creating emotion (well, chicken and egg, which came first?) - in my opinion it is important to take anger and DO something with it. Thanks everyone, I have been struggling with anger issues again lately. I am going to start coconut oil again. Magnesium oil seems to help but only to a small degree. This reminds me that I need to start Yoga again and walking. I have been stuck in the house in the nasty winter weather where the sun is rarely out. I do take more times outs than my daughter where I retreat to my room for 5 minutes and that seems to help. She actually is such a good kid she never gets time outs and if she is ever given one she would be devastated. It is definitely neuro anger, I just feel such intense emotions inside me it is so frustrating because I have no idea what I am even angry at. I agree I need to find an outlet. Thanks for the advice 1998-2013 Various antidepressants switches and CTs. Benzo addiction unknowingly trying to cover withdrawals in 2011 January 2012,, 25 mg Zoloft , March 2012, Remeron 7.5 to sleep and 1 mg Clonazepam. Tapered Clonazepam from April to June 2012 from 1 mg to .25 mg (stuck) September to October 2012 tapered Remeron 7.5 mg to 5 mg. December upped to .75 mg Clonazepam due to mothers passing of cancer. February 2013 to December 2013 tapered off 25 mg Zoloft January 2014 to March 2014 tapered off 5 mg Remeron Doing not to bad, not perfect but okay. Here is where I screw up May 2014 to October 2014 tapered Clonazepam from .75 mg to .25 mg. Rapidly worsening every week. January 2015 updosed Clonazepam to .5 mg. Big Mistake - Holding Currently .25 mg Clonazepam 11 pm at night (give or take an hour) and .25 mg 9 am in the morning (give or take an hour) Hope this isn't to confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Hi Annie, I hope you do well with the coconut oil. Keeps us posted. 2009: Cancer hospital said I had adjustment disorder because I thought they were doing it wrong. Their headshrinker prescribed Effexor, and my life set on a new course. I didn't know what was ahead, like a passenger on Disneyland's Matterhorn, smiling and waving as it climbs...clink, clink, clink. 2010: Post surgical accidental Effexor discontinuation by nurses, masked by intravenous Dilaudid. (The car is balanced at the top of the track.) I get home, pop a Vicodin, and ... Whooosh...down, down, down, down, down...goes the trajectory of my life, up goes my mood and tendency to think everything is a good idea.2012: After the bipolar jig was up, now a walking bag of unrelated symptoms, I went crazy on Daytrana (the Ritalin skin patch by Noven), because ADHD was a perfect fit for a bag of unrelated symptoms. I was prescribed Effexor for the nervousness of it, and things got neurological. An EEG showed enough activity to warrant an epilepsy diagnosis rather than non-epileptic ("psychogenic") seizures. 2013-2014: Quit everything and got worse. I probably went through DAWS: dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome. I drank to not feel, but I felt a lot: dread, fear, regret, grief: an utter sense of total loss of everything worth breathing about, for almost two years. I was not suicidal but I wanted to be dead, at least dead to the experience of my own brain and body. 2015: I began to recover after adding virgin coconut oil and organic grass-fed fed butter to a cup of instant coffee in the morning. I did it hoping for mental acuity and better memory. After ten days of that, I was much better, mood-wise. Approximately neutral. And, I experienced drowsiness. I could sleep. Not exactly happy, I did 30 days on Wellbutrin, because it had done me no harm in the past. I don't have the DAWS mood or state of mind. It never feel like doing anything if it means standing up. In fact, I don't especially like moving. I'm a brain with a beanbag body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
direstraits Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 I know I have had a lot of anger for many years about many things I really don't want to go into it all-but is probably at the root of my depression-they say depression is anger turned inward -and I sure did that for many years went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ct back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus Petunia Posted March 2, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted March 2, 2015 I like JanCarol's idea of channeling anger into something creative or positive if possible. As an adult, some of my most creative ideas and projects have resulted from trying to escape from feelings of anger and frustration, not everything has turned out well, but that's not the point, I think its important to let anger energy flow through us rather than have it become stuck in our body, or even worse allow it to harm someone else. Something I've been finding while I'm going through withdrawal is that old, repressed anger from the past is coming up. I'm remembering lots of times when I've been treated badly as a child or young adult, when I haven't been able to protect myself or stand up for my rights, and was forced to suppress my natural anger for what felt like my own survival. I'm gently letting myself re-live some of these moments and allowing myself to feel the justified anger, recognizing that I didn't deserve to be treated that way, even though it happened. The Neuro-emotion topic has more ideas. I'm not a doctor. My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one. My Introduction Thread Full Drug and Withdrawal History Brief Summary Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety) Xanax PRN ~ Various other drugs over the years for side effects 2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010 Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal) May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins. Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes Supplements which have helped: Vitamin C, Magnesium, Taurine Bad reactions: Many supplements but mostly fish oil and Vitamin D June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens. Aug 2016 - Oct 2016 Best window ever, felt almost completely recovered Oct 2016 -Symptoms returned - bad days and less bad days. April 2018 - No windows, but significant improvement, it feels like permanent full recovery is close. VIDEO: Where did the chemical imbalance theory come from? VIDEO: How are psychiatric diagnoses made? VIDEO: Why do psychiatric drugs have withdrawal syndromes? VIDEO: Can psychiatric drugs cause long-lasting negative effects? VIDEO: Dr. Claire Weekes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Hi! What herbs and supplements do any of you use to sedate rage. I've done the whole expressing the anger and I have been through WD at least twenty times... I'm just looking for ways now to keep my CNS calm without getting addicted or dependent on anything else as I come off my last drug... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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