btdt Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Since all this came to light with the downing of the Germanwing's plane I am sure they will be lying about it again. I wonder why effexor is not on the list to be used by pilots and I also wonder how many bus drivers ect are are using effexor... I know there are other drugs not on the oked list too...but effexor was one of the ones I took not on the list and the last one I was on... so it comes to mind as one of the ones not on the list... I am sure others here are on not listed drugs... they would know more about that then me. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Ang I will try to combine all germanwings threads in the morning. 2009: Cancer hospital said I had adjustment disorder because I thought they were doing it wrong. Their headshrinker prescribed Effexor, and my life set on a new course. I didn't know what was ahead, like a passenger on Disneyland's Matterhorn, smiling and waving as it climbs...clink, clink, clink. 2010: Post surgical accidental Effexor discontinuation by nurses, masked by intravenous Dilaudid. (The car is balanced at the top of the track.) I get home, pop a Vicodin, and ... Whooosh...down, down, down, down, down...goes the trajectory of my life, up goes my mood and tendency to think everything is a good idea.2012: After the bipolar jig was up, now a walking bag of unrelated symptoms, I went crazy on Daytrana (the Ritalin skin patch by Noven), because ADHD was a perfect fit for a bag of unrelated symptoms. I was prescribed Effexor for the nervousness of it, and things got neurological. An EEG showed enough activity to warrant an epilepsy diagnosis rather than non-epileptic ("psychogenic") seizures. 2013-2014: Quit everything and got worse. I probably went through DAWS: dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome. I drank to not feel, but I felt a lot: dread, fear, regret, grief: an utter sense of total loss of everything worth breathing about, for almost two years. I was not suicidal but I wanted to be dead, at least dead to the experience of my own brain and body. 2015: I began to recover after adding virgin coconut oil and organic grass-fed fed butter to a cup of instant coffee in the morning. I did it hoping for mental acuity and better memory. After ten days of that, I was much better, mood-wise. Approximately neutral. And, I experienced drowsiness. I could sleep. Not exactly happy, I did 30 days on Wellbutrin, because it had done me no harm in the past. I don't have the DAWS mood or state of mind. It never feel like doing anything if it means standing up. In fact, I don't especially like moving. I'm a brain with a beanbag body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor ang Posted April 14, 2015 Author Mentor Share Posted April 14, 2015 Thankyou westcoast.. and btdt, I think I know why effexor isnt on the list.... it sends ya crazy.......I reckon it is the worst of the lot///// 1992 Dothiepin 375mg 8 weeks, exhaustion/depression. Serotonin syndrome, oh yes! seizures . Fell pregnant, 3rd baby, Nitrous Oxide, 3 weeks mental hospital pp psychosis. zoloft tegretol. Feb 1996 ct tegretol, tapered Zoloft 8 weeks. as (unexpectedly) pregnant. Steven died after 3 days.(Zolft HLHS baby). 98 had run in with Paxil, 2 tablets, 3 weeks taper, survived.2005..menopause? exhausted again. Zyprexa, mad in three days, fallout.... Seroquel, Effexor, tegretol, and 8 years of self destruction. Failed taper.Damn 1/4 valium... nuts again! .fallout, zoloft 100mg seroquol 400mg mirtazapine 45 mg tegretol 400mg. Mid 14 3 month taper. Nov 14 CRASH.Mid 15 .... 75mg seroquel, 3 x 1800mg SJW 2 week window end of December followed by 6 week wave5/2 68mg seroquel, 2.5 x 1800mg SJW::::20/2 61mg seroquel, 2.5 x SJW::: 26/2 54mg seroquel, 2 x SJW::::21/3 43mg seroquel, 1 x 2700SJW :::: 23/4 36mg seroquel 1 x 1800 SJW15/5 33mg seroquel, 1 x SJW:::: 28/5 30mg seroquel, 1 x SJW::::; 18/6 25mg seroquel 1/2 SJW::::, 11/7 21mg seroquel 1/2 SJW::, 26/7 18mg seroquel 1/2 SJW:::, 9/8 12mg seroquel :::, 16/8 6mg seroquel ;;;;, 12/9 0 jump. 23/9 3mg....., 27/9 0mg. Reinstated, 6mg, then 12mg............. LIGHTBULB MOMENT, I have MTHFR 2x mutations. CFS and issues with MOULD in my home. So I left home, and working 150km away during week, loving it. Oh was hard, panic attacks first week, gone now, along with the mould issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Thankyou westcoast.. and btdt, I think I know why effexor isnt on the list.... it sends ya crazy.......I reckon it is the worst of the lot///// See what I mean they know something those powers that be... to keep some meds off the list .. what do they know? Why is it ok for bus drivers to take it bet they do... makes no sense that way. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 NYTimes ran a piece todayIt was partly based on a German article, 2009: Cancer hospital said I had adjustment disorder because I thought they were doing it wrong. Their headshrinker prescribed Effexor, and my life set on a new course. I didn't know what was ahead, like a passenger on Disneyland's Matterhorn, smiling and waving as it climbs...clink, clink, clink. 2010: Post surgical accidental Effexor discontinuation by nurses, masked by intravenous Dilaudid. (The car is balanced at the top of the track.) I get home, pop a Vicodin, and ... Whooosh...down, down, down, down, down...goes the trajectory of my life, up goes my mood and tendency to think everything is a good idea.2012: After the bipolar jig was up, now a walking bag of unrelated symptoms, I went crazy on Daytrana (the Ritalin skin patch by Noven), because ADHD was a perfect fit for a bag of unrelated symptoms. I was prescribed Effexor for the nervousness of it, and things got neurological. An EEG showed enough activity to warrant an epilepsy diagnosis rather than non-epileptic ("psychogenic") seizures. 2013-2014: Quit everything and got worse. I probably went through DAWS: dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome. I drank to not feel, but I felt a lot: dread, fear, regret, grief: an utter sense of total loss of everything worth breathing about, for almost two years. I was not suicidal but I wanted to be dead, at least dead to the experience of my own brain and body. 2015: I began to recover after adding virgin coconut oil and organic grass-fed fed butter to a cup of instant coffee in the morning. I did it hoping for mental acuity and better memory. After ten days of that, I was much better, mood-wise. Approximately neutral. And, I experienced drowsiness. I could sleep. Not exactly happy, I did 30 days on Wellbutrin, because it had done me no harm in the past. I don't have the DAWS mood or state of mind. It never feel like doing anything if it means standing up. In fact, I don't especially like moving. I'm a brain with a beanbag body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 bit bizzare some kind of meeting of doctors 40 klm from crash... bit nutty maybe http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.welt.de/print/wams/politik/article139419586/Chefsache-Andreas-L.html&prev=search hard to read and understand.. likely screwed up WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.ca/2015/03/press-demonise-depression-lubitz.html How the press have turned the actions of a mass murderer into a fearmongering campaign against depression from a blogger in England I think ... who has depression some very interesting comments "The efforts by the UK press to draw a causal relationship between Andreas Lubitz's depressive tendencies and his premeditated decision to murder 149 other people is grotesquely irresponsible, and such ignorant fearmongering about depression only make it more likely that many other people with depression will try to hide their suffering out of fear that people will demonise them as potential killers or hound them out of their jobs. As a sufferer of depression with a reasonably large public profile I feel compelled to stand up on behalf of millions of others and say that it doesn't matter how severe our depression gets, we won't be murdering anyone, ever - because we're not psychopaths." WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Wow. Great last sentence in your excerpt. 2009: Cancer hospital said I had adjustment disorder because I thought they were doing it wrong. Their headshrinker prescribed Effexor, and my life set on a new course. I didn't know what was ahead, like a passenger on Disneyland's Matterhorn, smiling and waving as it climbs...clink, clink, clink. 2010: Post surgical accidental Effexor discontinuation by nurses, masked by intravenous Dilaudid. (The car is balanced at the top of the track.) I get home, pop a Vicodin, and ... Whooosh...down, down, down, down, down...goes the trajectory of my life, up goes my mood and tendency to think everything is a good idea.2012: After the bipolar jig was up, now a walking bag of unrelated symptoms, I went crazy on Daytrana (the Ritalin skin patch by Noven), because ADHD was a perfect fit for a bag of unrelated symptoms. I was prescribed Effexor for the nervousness of it, and things got neurological. An EEG showed enough activity to warrant an epilepsy diagnosis rather than non-epileptic ("psychogenic") seizures. 2013-2014: Quit everything and got worse. I probably went through DAWS: dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome. I drank to not feel, but I felt a lot: dread, fear, regret, grief: an utter sense of total loss of everything worth breathing about, for almost two years. I was not suicidal but I wanted to be dead, at least dead to the experience of my own brain and body. 2015: I began to recover after adding virgin coconut oil and organic grass-fed fed butter to a cup of instant coffee in the morning. I did it hoping for mental acuity and better memory. After ten days of that, I was much better, mood-wise. Approximately neutral. And, I experienced drowsiness. I could sleep. Not exactly happy, I did 30 days on Wellbutrin, because it had done me no harm in the past. I don't have the DAWS mood or state of mind. It never feel like doing anything if it means standing up. In fact, I don't especially like moving. I'm a brain with a beanbag body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Yes I half wanted to give him a link to SA I think he is in England tho seems they are way ahead of us on some of this stuff he likely heard about wd already i don't like joining any sites to post would rather keep my mouth shut. There was one comment stating it could have been the drug or the disease but that was it.. as far as I read I was thinking I would go back and read more comments later. It seems he thinks that media is trying turn it to show what happens when depressed people don't take their meds ... refuse treatment is how it is put. As he refused treatment to make others take their pills. Or was that a comment read it just a few hours ago now not sure... that is how my ball bounces is it any wonder I am no good thinking on my feet. A least he was thinking depression does not make you crazy enough to kill people I guess he has never heard of school shootings some of them were said to be depressed.... or maybe he never heard of drug reactions causing such things either. It is hard to gage what people in other countries actually get in their media here we get more American tv than Canadian so we hear all about school shooting ect... but who know maybe they don't know about it over there. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 One person said I get depressed treatment of that has nothing to do with morality or ethics ... if he had mania as a side effect it just might. I wonder is becoming a stripper having affairs spending all your kids college money on casinos a moral or ethics issue... I could say more ... but will let it ride. They do the old diabetic insulin ... chemical imbalance thing too in the comments it is odd to read actually as I see things so differently but interesting. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 "Having headlines that more or less state that this guy went on a rampage and the reason was him being depressed is no less vacuous or hate-inspiring than saying he did it because of race. One would have everyone up in arms, the other is OK because the demographic being denigrated (The mentally ill) are already maligned enough that fighting back is a fruitless " it is a good blog going from spiritual to who knows where next I am finding it quite interesting. Finished only one person said maybe they should be looking at the drugs he was taking and nobody replied to him... not one reply. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 One last comment then I am done really... People on that blog talked so much about different mental health issue and many of them had been depressed in the past some had very interesting insights like when they were depressed if a doc gave them a day off slip they would be home end stop not going to work as he did so for that reason they do not think depression caused him to crash the plane... but back to what I wanted to say. All the people on that site had tons of psych words it is like a common language now I don't recall this in any other time in the history of my life dx words being thrown around like chatting about the last baseball game... it is astounding to me that marketing has put "psych" language on the map of the common mans vocabulary... astounding! That is what money can do like the smiley face and post it notes this is our generation gone capitalistically mad. Just my opinion... it's all about the money money money... oh a song coming on. peace all WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 FDA's response to Germanwings crash... Article only mentions depression, anxiety, and substance abusive...not abusive substances. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-20/germanwings-pilot-suicide-has-faa-rethinking-mental-health-tests 2009: Cancer hospital said I had adjustment disorder because I thought they were doing it wrong. Their headshrinker prescribed Effexor, and my life set on a new course. I didn't know what was ahead, like a passenger on Disneyland's Matterhorn, smiling and waving as it climbs...clink, clink, clink. 2010: Post surgical accidental Effexor discontinuation by nurses, masked by intravenous Dilaudid. (The car is balanced at the top of the track.) I get home, pop a Vicodin, and ... Whooosh...down, down, down, down, down...goes the trajectory of my life, up goes my mood and tendency to think everything is a good idea.2012: After the bipolar jig was up, now a walking bag of unrelated symptoms, I went crazy on Daytrana (the Ritalin skin patch by Noven), because ADHD was a perfect fit for a bag of unrelated symptoms. I was prescribed Effexor for the nervousness of it, and things got neurological. An EEG showed enough activity to warrant an epilepsy diagnosis rather than non-epileptic ("psychogenic") seizures. 2013-2014: Quit everything and got worse. I probably went through DAWS: dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome. I drank to not feel, but I felt a lot: dread, fear, regret, grief: an utter sense of total loss of everything worth breathing about, for almost two years. I was not suicidal but I wanted to be dead, at least dead to the experience of my own brain and body. 2015: I began to recover after adding virgin coconut oil and organic grass-fed fed butter to a cup of instant coffee in the morning. I did it hoping for mental acuity and better memory. After ten days of that, I was much better, mood-wise. Approximately neutral. And, I experienced drowsiness. I could sleep. Not exactly happy, I did 30 days on Wellbutrin, because it had done me no harm in the past. I don't have the DAWS mood or state of mind. It never feel like doing anything if it means standing up. In fact, I don't especially like moving. I'm a brain with a beanbag body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Not one word about antidepressants but the USA is developing a new standard for pilots. I know when my family have had to fly since that crash I am more worried now. The only thing they really say about Lubits is he had depression same as the folks at the blog I linked said they would do... blame the depression. A lot of people at the that blog have depression and say they don't have the energy given a day off of work they would just take it so it does not sound like depression to them. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I wonder if there was any of his brain left for them to autopsy as they say that is the only way they know for sure what you serotonin level is. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 after the drugs? 2009: Cancer hospital said I had adjustment disorder because I thought they were doing it wrong. Their headshrinker prescribed Effexor, and my life set on a new course. I didn't know what was ahead, like a passenger on Disneyland's Matterhorn, smiling and waving as it climbs...clink, clink, clink. 2010: Post surgical accidental Effexor discontinuation by nurses, masked by intravenous Dilaudid. (The car is balanced at the top of the track.) I get home, pop a Vicodin, and ... Whooosh...down, down, down, down, down...goes the trajectory of my life, up goes my mood and tendency to think everything is a good idea.2012: After the bipolar jig was up, now a walking bag of unrelated symptoms, I went crazy on Daytrana (the Ritalin skin patch by Noven), because ADHD was a perfect fit for a bag of unrelated symptoms. I was prescribed Effexor for the nervousness of it, and things got neurological. An EEG showed enough activity to warrant an epilepsy diagnosis rather than non-epileptic ("psychogenic") seizures. 2013-2014: Quit everything and got worse. I probably went through DAWS: dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome. I drank to not feel, but I felt a lot: dread, fear, regret, grief: an utter sense of total loss of everything worth breathing about, for almost two years. I was not suicidal but I wanted to be dead, at least dead to the experience of my own brain and body. 2015: I began to recover after adding virgin coconut oil and organic grass-fed fed butter to a cup of instant coffee in the morning. I did it hoping for mental acuity and better memory. After ten days of that, I was much better, mood-wise. Approximately neutral. And, I experienced drowsiness. I could sleep. Not exactly happy, I did 30 days on Wellbutrin, because it had done me no harm in the past. I don't have the DAWS mood or state of mind. It never feel like doing anything if it means standing up. In fact, I don't especially like moving. I'm a brain with a beanbag body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 after the drugs and after the crash WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 http://www.globalresearch.ca/what-psych-drugs-was-germanwings-co-pilot-andreas-lubitz-taking-a-list-of-questions-that-need-to-be-answered/5439931 "Depressed People Tend to Hurt Only Themselves; Adding Brain-disabling Drugs May Make Them Want to Hurt Others as Well Dr Peter Breggin is a practicing psychiatrist, author (of Toxic Psychiatry, Medication Madness and Brain-Disabling Treatments in Psychiatry, among many other books) and an expert in clinical psychopharmacology. He is considered the father of ethical psychiatry. He has often said that, by and large, people that have a depressed affect may sometimes feel like hurting themselves, but they are unlikely to want to harm anybody else, unless they have been seriously humiliated by their targeted group or individual or their brains have been intoxicated and disabled into irrationality by brain-altering substances like alcohol, illicit street drugs or the activating, agitation-inducing prescription SSRIs or psychostimulants." So I submit the following list of questions that need to be answered, hopefully long before the case is prematurely deemed by the powers-that-be to be closed: 1) “What were the specific drugs Lubitz was taking and in what cocktail combination had he been taking them? 2) How long had he been taking the offending drugs? 3) What dosages had he been prescribed? 4) Had Lubitz had a CYP450 2D6 assay done before he started taking his drugs (CYP450 is the complex of hepatic enzymes that metabolizes drugs and the absence of the 2D6 component (which occurs in 6-10 % of Caucasians – see (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CYP2D6) and would have made him an unknowing victim of serious, potentially fatal, drug intoxication and irrational behaviors, like ordering two new unaffordable Audis days before his suicidal act! 5) What drugs, if any, might he have been withdrawing from? And 6) What were the reasons behind his physicians prescribing neurotoxic drugs? By Dr. Gary G. Kohls WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Same author as above at a later date http://www.whenthenewsstops.org/2015/04/the-connections-between-psychotropic.html?view=mosaic "“Even at normal doses, taking psychiatric drugs can produce suicidal thinking, violent behavior, aggressiveness, extreme anger, hostility, irritability, loss of ability to control impulses, rage reactions, hallucinations, mania, acute psychotic episodes, akathisia, and bizarre, grandiose, highly elaborated destructive plans, including mass murder. “Withdrawal from psychiatric drugs can cause agitation, severe depression, hallucinations, aggressiveness, hypomania, akathisia, fear, terror, panic, fear of insanity, failing self-confidence, restlessness, irritability, aggression, an urge to destroy and, in the worst cases, an urge to kill.” - From “Drug Studies Connecting Psychotropic Drugs with Acts of Violence” – unpublished." and a new list of questions: 1) What cocktail of 9 different VA-prescribed psych drugs was “American Sniper” Chris Kyle’s Marine Corps killer taking after he was discharged from his psychiatric hospital the week before the infamous murder? 2) What were the psych drugs that Robin Williams got from Hazelden just before he hung himself? 3) What were the myriad of psych drugs, tranquilizers, opioids, etc that caused the overdose deaths of Philip Seymour Hoffman, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Heath Ledger, Anna Nicole Smith, etc, etc, etc (not to mention Jimi Hendrix, Bruce Lee, Elvis Presley and Marilyn Monroe) – and who were the “pushers” of those drugs? 4) What was the cocktail of psychiatric and neurologic brain-altering drugs that Andreas Lubitz was taking before he intentionally crashed the passenger jet in the French Alps – and who were the prescribers? 5) What are the correctly prescribed drugs that annually kill over 100,000 hospitalized Americans per year and are estimated to kill twice that number of out-patients? (See http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/05/07/death-by-prescription-drugs-is-a-growing-problem/) Followed by a long list of resources and a list of drugs not allowed by the FAA WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 oh gee, he doubled his dose of ADs? Darn, his depression must have been super-bad. No wonder he crashed the plane. Says he saw flashes of light. People have that in WD. He was probably all over the map...the phase where you start two and stop one, quit altogether, get a new DX and start three more. (Some of us anyway) http://news.sky.com/story/1500416/germanwings-alps-crash-pilot-feared-blindness 2009: Cancer hospital said I had adjustment disorder because I thought they were doing it wrong. Their headshrinker prescribed Effexor, and my life set on a new course. I didn't know what was ahead, like a passenger on Disneyland's Matterhorn, smiling and waving as it climbs...clink, clink, clink. 2010: Post surgical accidental Effexor discontinuation by nurses, masked by intravenous Dilaudid. (The car is balanced at the top of the track.) I get home, pop a Vicodin, and ... Whooosh...down, down, down, down, down...goes the trajectory of my life, up goes my mood and tendency to think everything is a good idea.2012: After the bipolar jig was up, now a walking bag of unrelated symptoms, I went crazy on Daytrana (the Ritalin skin patch by Noven), because ADHD was a perfect fit for a bag of unrelated symptoms. I was prescribed Effexor for the nervousness of it, and things got neurological. An EEG showed enough activity to warrant an epilepsy diagnosis rather than non-epileptic ("psychogenic") seizures. 2013-2014: Quit everything and got worse. I probably went through DAWS: dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome. I drank to not feel, but I felt a lot: dread, fear, regret, grief: an utter sense of total loss of everything worth breathing about, for almost two years. I was not suicidal but I wanted to be dead, at least dead to the experience of my own brain and body. 2015: I began to recover after adding virgin coconut oil and organic grass-fed fed butter to a cup of instant coffee in the morning. I did it hoping for mental acuity and better memory. After ten days of that, I was much better, mood-wise. Approximately neutral. And, I experienced drowsiness. I could sleep. Not exactly happy, I did 30 days on Wellbutrin, because it had done me no harm in the past. I don't have the DAWS mood or state of mind. It never feel like doing anything if it means standing up. In fact, I don't especially like moving. I'm a brain with a beanbag body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 oh gee, he doubled his dose of ADs? Darn, his depression must have been super-bad. No wonder he crashed the plane. Says he saw flashes of light. People have that in WD. He was probably all over the map...the phase where you start two and stop one, quit altogether, get a new DX and start three more. (Some of us anyway) http://news.sky.com/story/1500416/germanwings-alps-crash-pilot-feared-blindness From your link above "Mr Robin said Lubitz had written to his doctor to tell him he was sleeping just two hours a night and had doubled his dosage of anti-depressants. He also mentioned his fear of going blind. Over five years, Lubitz had seen 41 doctors." Obviously he was not getting the help he needed how often do we see this and do this.. doc after doc... with no help. link to eye problems here the real skinny on it nobody test for http://wp.rxisk.org/keeping-an-eye-on-the-ball-visual-problems-on-ssris/ WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 it's so screwed up. he was a smart guy and he'd started his dream career. if he went to 41 doc it means he was not 'noncompliant' maybe this case will blow the lid off the whole thing. just not right this sec. but wait til lieberman is asked by the nyt to comment. or friedman LIEberman and FRAUDman. 2009: Cancer hospital said I had adjustment disorder because I thought they were doing it wrong. Their headshrinker prescribed Effexor, and my life set on a new course. I didn't know what was ahead, like a passenger on Disneyland's Matterhorn, smiling and waving as it climbs...clink, clink, clink. 2010: Post surgical accidental Effexor discontinuation by nurses, masked by intravenous Dilaudid. (The car is balanced at the top of the track.) I get home, pop a Vicodin, and ... Whooosh...down, down, down, down, down...goes the trajectory of my life, up goes my mood and tendency to think everything is a good idea.2012: After the bipolar jig was up, now a walking bag of unrelated symptoms, I went crazy on Daytrana (the Ritalin skin patch by Noven), because ADHD was a perfect fit for a bag of unrelated symptoms. I was prescribed Effexor for the nervousness of it, and things got neurological. An EEG showed enough activity to warrant an epilepsy diagnosis rather than non-epileptic ("psychogenic") seizures. 2013-2014: Quit everything and got worse. I probably went through DAWS: dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome. I drank to not feel, but I felt a lot: dread, fear, regret, grief: an utter sense of total loss of everything worth breathing about, for almost two years. I was not suicidal but I wanted to be dead, at least dead to the experience of my own brain and body. 2015: I began to recover after adding virgin coconut oil and organic grass-fed fed butter to a cup of instant coffee in the morning. I did it hoping for mental acuity and better memory. After ten days of that, I was much better, mood-wise. Approximately neutral. And, I experienced drowsiness. I could sleep. Not exactly happy, I did 30 days on Wellbutrin, because it had done me no harm in the past. I don't have the DAWS mood or state of mind. It never feel like doing anything if it means standing up. In fact, I don't especially like moving. I'm a brain with a beanbag body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 "if he went to 41 doc it means he was not 'noncompliant'" I don't think seeing 41 doctors in 5 years makes him nocompliant. We do not know why he went to those doctors and how many of those doctors sent him to see other doctors or for tests conducted by other doctors. I seen many doctors too. Lets take vision for instance I had a reaction to lidocaine my vision was bad. I had a normal scheduled eye appointment the next day eye testing response was abnormal.. she sent me to my family doc who sent me to the hosp who sent me to another doc for a ct scan and to a opthamologist who sent me to neurologist who sent me for drug testing to check for allergy in another city ..yes another doc. That is 8 appointments not including the dentist. Now if he could not see all sorts of testing could have been done from heart vascular neurology eye doc opthamologist... who by the way wanted me to see a neurological opthamologist but he said I had to go thru the proper channels which were to see a neurologist first who did not agree with him.. sent me to a different doc.. right there with one drug reaction I could cut his list from 41 to 33 and I would still have 4 more years to see them... except for the drug testing doc I seen 8 docs in a month maybe 2 It could have been talk therapy too they still count as doctors as do other body pain docs tho it did not say he had pain.. who manipulate your body but don't give drugs. A family doc to talk things over as to where to go to see what is wrong with his eyes.. again proper channels ordinary eye doc first.. then up the ladder. They say he doubled his dose of antidepressants but they do not say if he did this on his own or on the advice of his doctor could be his doc was trying to ward off pooped out...tolerance. And around you go I seen a ton of doctors before I went off effexor I did not know what was wrong with me I don't think they did either just kept adding drugs to treat the symptoms of tolerance ... I did not know there was such a thing .. now I know. peace to you WC it is a tangle web for sure and it is all speculation WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Hey B, I worded mine awkwardly. if he went to 41 doc it means he was not 'noncompliant' He was NOT non-compliant. (Not in the sense of rejecting medical expertise, but he might have rejected several "experts.") 2009: Cancer hospital said I had adjustment disorder because I thought they were doing it wrong. Their headshrinker prescribed Effexor, and my life set on a new course. I didn't know what was ahead, like a passenger on Disneyland's Matterhorn, smiling and waving as it climbs...clink, clink, clink. 2010: Post surgical accidental Effexor discontinuation by nurses, masked by intravenous Dilaudid. (The car is balanced at the top of the track.) I get home, pop a Vicodin, and ... Whooosh...down, down, down, down, down...goes the trajectory of my life, up goes my mood and tendency to think everything is a good idea.2012: After the bipolar jig was up, now a walking bag of unrelated symptoms, I went crazy on Daytrana (the Ritalin skin patch by Noven), because ADHD was a perfect fit for a bag of unrelated symptoms. I was prescribed Effexor for the nervousness of it, and things got neurological. An EEG showed enough activity to warrant an epilepsy diagnosis rather than non-epileptic ("psychogenic") seizures. 2013-2014: Quit everything and got worse. I probably went through DAWS: dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome. I drank to not feel, but I felt a lot: dread, fear, regret, grief: an utter sense of total loss of everything worth breathing about, for almost two years. I was not suicidal but I wanted to be dead, at least dead to the experience of my own brain and body. 2015: I began to recover after adding virgin coconut oil and organic grass-fed fed butter to a cup of instant coffee in the morning. I did it hoping for mental acuity and better memory. After ten days of that, I was much better, mood-wise. Approximately neutral. And, I experienced drowsiness. I could sleep. Not exactly happy, I did 30 days on Wellbutrin, because it had done me no harm in the past. I don't have the DAWS mood or state of mind. It never feel like doing anything if it means standing up. In fact, I don't especially like moving. I'm a brain with a beanbag body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Hey B, I worded mine awkwardly. if he went to 41 doc it means he was not 'noncompliant' He was NOT non-compliant. (Not in the sense of rejecting medical expertise, but he might have rejected several "experts.") We can only speculate as to what the experts had to say to him if his experience is anything like mine he had doctors who did not agree.. I had a shrink say no you can't quit effexor... yes it came in way of a phone call from his office manager but I was lucky to get any response... and a neurologist who said stop taking it... they would not talk tho I petitioned them to talk directly... they would NOT! I did what the neurologist said tho cause I had these symptoms of head drops and foot dragging to list just two... with testing for MS in process... the fear of a dx of MS pushed me to do what he said so I quit effexor ct and tried cymbalta .. complete fail at that.. went to other drugs he wanted to try.. mirapex lyrica ...not sure of the list... when they all failed as I reacted horribly to them all back I went on effexor.. my body rejected it.. out right.. extreme vomiting it would not stay in me... so while we don't know what his 41 doctors may have told him... I kind of have some ideas about it... If I were to look at the list of docs and hosp I went to trying to get help I bet there were be 41 even more... they did not know how to help me. Treated this symtpom then that...the more people I seen the more things I seemed to have but no cause. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
line Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Hello, I have informations from a german article. First remember FAA-Documents. lubitz was on citolapram and mirtazapin 2009, fully recovered from depression with the help of psychotherapeutic treatment, too, medications was tapered of. FAA said: Because of your history of reactive depression, operation of aircraft is prohibited at any time new symptomes or adverse changes occur or at any time medication and/or treatment is required. http://www.faa.gov/foia/electronic_reading_room/pilot_records/media/Lubitz.pdf June 11th 2015, there was an articel in german newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung (paid-content) http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/germanwings-absturz-blind-vor-angst-1.2516424?reduced=true That is the timeline and informations they give: End 2014: lubitz felt visual problems (Floater / Mouches volantes). Two appointments with doctors, no organic reason found, eyes should be fine. Beginning 2015: more (a lot of) appointments with ophthalmologists and in clinics - nothing found. but he still experienced visual problems. Mid of March: In a March 10 e-mail to a doctor, Lubitz had indicated he could only sleep two hours a night and wanted urgent help. "i can not sleep because i fear for my eyes". Arounf than, he saw psychiatrists with his family, the psychiatrists said he has a mental disorder, fearing too much for his eyes. He did not work 13.-22. March. Mid March he started google a lot of stuff he did not befor: about visual problems and ways to help out, about sleepings problems and ways to lessen them, than on March 18th and on, ways to commit suicide, all by himself 20.03 He reseached for planes and doors, but for sleeping problems and visual problems again. 23.03. Research what one can do if suicid is not successfull 24.03. plain crash Medication is not even mentioned in the article. And than i read in the New Yotk times, that he doupled up the dosis In a March 10 e-mail to a doctor, Lubitz had indicated he could only sleep two hours a night and wanted urgent help, Robin said. Lubitz specified he was taking Mirtazapine, an antidepressant, and had even doubled the dosage from 15 to 30 milligrams in a failed bid to improve his sleep, and his fear of going blind continued, the prosecutor added. http://mobile.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/06/11/world/europe/ap-eu-france-germany-plane-crash.html?_r=1&referrer= But for me it is not clear, when he started to take Mirtazapin again. I am really sad. He had visual problems no one knew where they came from. If i read here, it can be side-effect or withdrawal problem - and for me, with AD everything seems possible, even getting visual problems years after tapering... http://wp.rxisk.org/keeping-an-eye-on-the-ball-visual-problems-on-ssris/ we will never know. but for me, there is an obvious connection between research for suicide-methods and the change in dosis. What I read from the articel is, that he did not have suicide-wishes the weeks befor, there was no research for that. line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 I read it all Line and while it sure looks like a drug induced break down from here the early drug use in 2009 tapers off by Oct 2009 seems the drug was stopped including the taper by Oct. No further drug use till 2015 .. tho it fails to say what day he started taking antidepressants it must have been before march 10 as he talked to the doc that day and doubled the dose. He crashed the plane 2 wks later. For anyone who has ever had a severe adverse reaction... I don't even have to say a word we all know. As for the eye issue. http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.ophtalmissimo.com/mouche.html&prev=search I have had eye issues on Ads and in wd. I had an unusual eye test where I could not see some letters in the boxes which sparked further interest by my eye doc and she presented more tests sent me to my gp who sent me to the hosp who sent me to an opthamologist and neurologist.. but what I wanted was to see an opthamolgist neurologist... I was told I had to go thru normal lines of procedure... passed around for 2 years on waiting lists... I have had times where I cannot find things that are right in front of me sometimes I will find them in minutes and sometimes not for part of this I have thought awareness was an issue but on further observation I don't think it was always the issue.. as I have been intently focused on finding something and still cannot find it.. but it is actually there. Like a part of my vision is gone it seems to come and go or I come and go in how I notice it. This is the other thing person to person there has only been that one test showing I did not see things (in the eye test there were no letters in the boxes... this excited my eye doc and she did more testing) I should have been seeing letters in the box but to me they were empty... and more testing showing things wrong ... lines move are not in the right place when I look with one eye compared to the other. ect.. I was told after a few years of run arounds I must have had a transient ischemic attack... that affected my eyes for that test.. it makes no sense to me.. I was unable to push it any further so had no choice but to let it die. That day I went from the eye doc to the family doc to the hosp for a scan ... later to a ophthalmologist emerg orders... he sent me to a neurologist who sent me back to the family doc who sent me for drug testing who said I had a TIA.. or likely did... took 2 years to get there. On the Risk site these tests are recommended... but there is no chance of me going there to have an eye test only people in the UK would get this and it seem few have... ‘The pattern that AS shows is unusual. He has inner retinal dysfunction – from a change in either his bipolar cells or retinal Muller cells. Retinal electrophysiology is not universally available. Where it is done, not all centres comply with international ISCEV (International Society for Clinical Electrophysiology of Vision) testing standards. This can make results difficult to compare between centres. A minimum examination should involve an ISCEV standard electroretinogram (ERG) to test generalised rod, cone and inner retinal function, along with pattern or multifocal ERG to test macular function. If these show similar abnormalities to AS, then we will suggest further, more advanced testing to isolate the problem. We know there is serotonin and dopamine input to these cells so the findings make some sense. If the screening ERG is abnormal but different, it would be good to get further testing on some subjects to Newcastle for data consistency or to liaise with the ophthalmology department.’ - See more at: http://wp.rxisk.org/keeping-an-eye-on-the-ball-visual-problems-on-ssris/#sthash.xjJdAXu8.dpuf WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
line Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 23.12.14/26.12.14 visual problems (Floater / Mouches volantes). Two appointments06.01.15: no organic reason found, eyes should be fine.01.01. bis 08.03. 16 doctors, also ophthalmologists and in clinicsEnd of Januar: Lubitz visited a Psychiatrist for sleeping disords, he could not sleep, because he was stressed with visual problems.Therapy: sleeping-pills (not clarified) and Mirtazapine, PsychotherapyMarch: everything is getting worse. GP diagnoded an upcoming psychosis. Different Medication found, empty package of Mirta Tad N2, Mirtazapine, Lorazepam, Escitalopram.Mid March: doubleing Mirtazapine, reserach for suizide 20. March: research for plane-crashes notes showing stress, fears about diseases, loosing his sight, future, loosing his job... he did not know, what to do, was quite double-minded24. March: plane crashed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nz11 Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11605020 The agency also said Lubitz was using antidepressants at the time of the crash. It said traces of anti-depressive medications Citalopram and Mirtazapine were found in Lubitz's remains, as well as the sleeping medication Zopiclone. Lubitz had previously been treated for depression and suicidal tendencies, and documents seized by prosecutors show he partly hid his medical history from employers. Lubitz had interrupted his Lufthansa training for several months due to psychological problems. He was allowed to return in 2009, having received the "all clear" from his doctors " though his aviation record now contained the note "SIC" meaning "specific regular examination." Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I made a post on here years ago stating that pilots were now allowed to fly on antidepressants because for a time they were not... I did a search for it... only found this at another site Washington, D.C.: It still might be okay for YOU to use the anti-smoking drug Chantix in spite of all the warnings over suicidal thoughts and potential psychosis, but, as of Wednesday, pilots and air traffic controllers are no longer allowed to use the drug. The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has just banned the use of Chantix for pilots and air traffic controllers, fearing for the safety of passengers. Gordon Gibb - www.lawyersandsettlements.com; May 22, 2008 Here it is from 2010 http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/04/02/pilots.depression/ He was not taking the allowed drugs... "The FAA says pilots have a regulatory duty and professional responsibility to not fly if they know they have a physical or mental condition that makes them unsafe to fly. But the FAA concedes pilots aren't always forthcoming, especially if honesty could cost them their job. "We know that there are people out there who are not taking antidepressants because they know they would be grounded if they are. We know there are people out there who are taking them and lying to us about that," said Dr. Fred Tilton, the FAA's federal air surgeon. "We think it's safer to [make sure pilots are treated for depression] than to continue to drive it underground," he said. Under the new policy, the FAA will, on a case-by-case basis, issue special medical certificates to pilots who take one of four antidepressants: fluoxetine (Prozac), sertraline (Zoloft), citalopram (Celexa) and escitalopram (Lexapro)." I am not suggesting the effects of any of those drugs would have changed anything.... "All four drugs can be used safely without side effects, the FAA said, and other medications will be considered as the agency gains experience and data under its new policy." I wonder where they got that idea? FAA officials say that they have been studying the issue for a decade, and that the change comes with improvements in medication and as the stigma of depression has diminished. One of the concerns is the risk of suicide by airplane. Between 1993 and 2002, there were 16 "aircraft-assisted suicides," according to a National Transportation Safety Board report, as recounted in a recent FAA medical bulletin. All involved smaller aircraft. In addition, the NTSB ruled that in 1999, the pilot caused the crash of EgyptAir Flight 990 by forcing the plane into the Atlantic Ocean, although the board could not determine the pilot's motives and did not use the term "suicide." The pilot's medical certificate had been renewed 10 days before the crash. All 217 on board were killed. "Depression is a disease, and it's treatable just like any other disease. And there is a stigma out there that we want to remove. We want to make the skies safer, and we believe that this change in the policy will benefit that and achieve that," Babbitt said. Why does that bug me... everybody is pushing mental health and more and more people are taking the drugs without knowing the side effects... thats why. The new policy is consistent with recommendations from a host of aviation and medical organizations, including the Aerospace Medical Association, the International Civil Aviation Organization, the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association and the Air Line Pilots Association, the FAA said. Babbitt acknowledged that pilots face some risk by stepping forward, but he said they also face risk if they don't. "If it [unauthorized use of medication] was ever discovered, it would be the end of their license and their career, period," he said. The FAA said the policy is being posted on the Federal Register, where the public can make comments until May 3. Officials said because it is changing a policy, and not a rule, pre-publication in the Federal Register was not necessary. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 a site for pilots who take antidepressants a blog maybe... at the this pilots thoughts on Lubitz http://www.prozacpilot.com/ WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus Fresh Posted April 8, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted April 8, 2016 MAR 13, 2016 @ 01:50 PM Germanwings Pilot Referred To Psychiatric Hospital Two Weeks Before Deliberate Crash, Airline Unaware A new French aviation authority report reveals that Andreas Lubitz, the co-pilot who intentionally flew Germanwings Flight 9525 into the French Alps on March 24, 2015, had been referred to a psychiatric hospital two weeks before the tragedy. The 27-year-old Lubitz had also been prescribed five drugs–antidepressants, sleeping pills and an antipsychotic drug–after seeing five different doctors in the months before the crash. None of this information had been communicated to Lufthansa, the parent company of Germanwings, since renamed Eurowings. These and other details were released Sunday morning in a 110-page report by the investigative arm of France’s civil aviation authority, Le Bureau d’Enquêtes et d’Analyses (BEA). The BEA made 11 safety recommendations that include a call for re-evaluation and international harmonization of regulations governing the mental fitness of pilots and emotional and financial support for pilots fearing the loss of flying certification due to complicated mental illness diagnoses. Cockpit voice recorder information confirms that after the senior pilot left the Airbus 320 cockpit for a bathroom break, Lubitz programmed the autopilot control to descend from 38,000 feet to 100 feet. The altitude of the crash site in Prads-Haute-Bléone was 5,085 feet (1,550 meters) above sea level. He refused keypad and cabin intercom requests to unlock the cockpit door. Violent blows to the cockpit door were recorded on five occasions prior to impact with the terrain. Lubitz and the pilot had also flown the plane from Düsseldorf to Barcelona earlier that morning and the flight data and cockpit voice recorders had information from that leg. When the pilot had left the cockpit during the early descent into Barcelona, Lubitz experimented with moving the altitude setting to 100 feet while the plane was in autopilot mode. Just before the pilot returned to the cockpit, Lubitz moved the setting to 17,000 feet as directed by Barcelona air traffic control. Depression alone did not disqualify Lubitz from flying When I first reported on the crash in the days following the tragedy, Lubitz was known to have suffered from clinically diagnosed depression beginning in August 2008, when he interrupted his Lufthansa pilot training program due to “severe depressive disorder without psychotic symptoms.” The report now reveals the severity of that episode. Lubitz exhibited suicidal ideation (suicidal preoccupation and planning), made several “no suicide pacts” with his treating psychiatrist and was hospitalized. Lubitz took antidepressant drugs and received psychotherapy through the following year. The psychiatrist stated in July 2009 that Lubitz had fully recovered. Lubitz restarted his training in August 2009 and passed his written examination in October 2009. His pilot’s license carried a waiver for the episode of depression, with the condition that it would be revoked in the event of a depressive relapse. During his training and recurrent examinations, Lubitz’s professional performance level was judged “above standard.” Uncomplicated depression does not always disqualify from ultimately gaining certification as a passenger airline pilot. Countries differ in their policies on the use of antidepressant drugs in such situations. In the U.S., pilots are permitted to take one of four SSRI antidepressants and can gain medical certification to fly if they have been on a stable dose for six months. But close medical monitoring by aviation-certified medical doctors is required for this provisionary status. The addition of other drugs affecting the central nervous system or a diagnosis of other mental disorders can lead to permanent revocation of passenger pilot privileges. Emergence of psychotic symptoms The report focused on the progressive series of what investigators concluded was consistent with Lubitz experiencing a psychotic depressive episode beginning in late November and early December 2014. He had become concerned about visual disturbances that might have disqualified him from flying. But doctors could find no pathophysiology in the eye that would account for Lubitz’s complaints. He also complained of sleep disturbances. Physicians put him on sick leave six times between November 24, 2014 and six days before the crash. Three of these sick leave certificates were not submitted to Germanwings. Across his treating psychiatrist and one of four private doctors who saw him during this period, Lubitz was prescribed five different drugs acting on the central nervous system: Mirtazapine–the generic name for Remeron, an atypical antidepressant that affects norepinephrine and serotonin neurotransmission but is not a reuptake inhibitor for either transmitter. Escitalopram–the active stereoisomer of citalopram (Celexa) and generic name for Lexapro. Escitalopram is a serotonin-selective reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) that is conditionally permitted for pilot use by the U.S. FAA. Zolpidem–the generic name for the nonbenzodiazepine sleeping pill sold as Ambien. Zopiclone–the active stereoisomer of zolpidem (Ambien) and generic name for Lunesta. Dominal forte–the German brand name for prothipendyl hydrochloride, a mixed antipsychotic and insomnia drug not available in the U.S. Prothipendyl belongs to the phenothiazines, a class of early antipsychotic drugs that includes chlorpromazine (Thorazine). Lubitz also wrote to his treating psychiatrist in March 2015 that he was also taking a one milligram dose of lorazepam (the generic name for Ativan). In addition to these drugs, the the private physician who prescribed zopiclone referred Lubitz to a psychiatric hospital due to possible psychosis on March 10, 2015–two weeks before the crash. Despite this extensive medical care, the report says, “Neither of those healthcare providers, who were probably aware of the co-pilot’s profession, informed any aviation authority, nor any other authority about the co-pilot’s mental state.” The BEA report summary of Andreas Lubitz's medical history from November 24, 2014 through the crash of Germanwings Flight 9525. Photo credit: BEA report, March 13, 2016. Despite the fact that the crash left plane wreckage no larger than three or four meters, enough of Lubitz’s identifiable remains were found for forensic drug analysis. His tissue was found to contain the antidepressants mirtazepine and citalopram, as well as the insomnia drug zolpiclone. Citalopram is the generic version of the two chemical stereoisomers that includes escitalopram. According to the report, all five physicians as well as Lubitz’s relatives exercised their right to refuse to be interviewed by the BEA and/or the BFU. But no other reports existed of unusual behavior by Lubitz’s co-workers or family that were communicated to Germanwings in the months before the deliberate crash. Lubitz’s girlfriend later told the press that she had been concerned for his mental state. The balance between medical privacy and public safety is certainly a consideration addressed in the report. But this tragedy was clearly preventable had Lubitz’s mental state been communicated to the airline. This single paragraph on page 85 of the report summarizes this tragic conclusion: On the day of the accident, the pilot was still suffering from a psychiatric disorder, which was possibly a psychotic depressive episode and was taking psychotropic medication. This made him unfit to fly. No action could have been taken by authorities and/or his employer to prevent him from flying that day, because they were informed by neither the co-pilot himself, nor by anybody else, such as a physician, a colleague or family member. The report also gives some detail on the financial considerations that may have contributed to Lubitz’s reluctance to inform the airline of his most recent treatment. His portion of his pilot training fees were €60,000, for which he took a loan of €41,000. Germanwings provided an insurance policy that would provide a pilot with a one-time payment of €58,799 if they were declared unfit to fly during the first five years of employment. But the depression waiver on Lubitz’s license prevented him from obtaining additional insurance for future loss of income if he lost his certification. For further reading, the BEA summary and full report are available in several languages. http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkroll/2016/03/13/germanwings-pilot-took-5-drugs-ordered-to-psychiatric-hospital-2-weeks-before-murder-suicide-crash/#45b0abcad120 1987-1997 pertofran , prothiaden , Prozac 1997-2002 Zoloft 2002-2004 effexor 2004-2010 Lexapro 40mg 2010-2012Cymbalta 120mg Sept. 2012 -decreased 90mg in 6months. Care taken over by Dr Lucire in March 2013 , decreased last 30mg at 2mg per week over 3 months. July 21 , 2013- last dose of Cymbalta Protracted withdrawal syndrome kicked in badly Jan.2014 Unrelenting akathisia until May 2014. Voluntary hosp. admission. Cocktail of Seroquel, Ativan and mirtazapine and I was well enough to go home after 14 days. Stopped all hosp. meds in next few months. July 2014 felt v.depressed - couldn't stop crying. Started pristiq 50mg. Felt improvement within days and continued to improve, so stayed on 50mg for 8 months. Began taper 28 Feb. 2015. Pristiq 50mg down to 45mg. Had one month of w/d symptoms. Started CES therapy in March. No w/d symptoms down to 30mg. October 2015 , taking 25mg Pristiq. Capsules compounded with slow-release additive. March 2016 , 21mg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nz11 Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Copy and paste is having difficulty working on my computer. Promised i wouldnt do other peoples interactions for them but in this case i think its ok to make an exception!! Major mirtazapine escitalopramApplies to: Remeron (mirtazapine), escitalopram Using mirtazapine together with escitalopram can increase the risk of a rare but serious condition called the serotonin syndrome, which may include symptoms such as confusion, hallucination, seizure, extreme changes in blood pressure, increased heart rate, fever, excessive sweating, shivering or shaking, blurred vision, muscle spasm or stiffness, tremor, incoordination, stomach cramp, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. Severe cases may result in coma and even death. You should seek immediate medical attention if you experience these symptoms while taking the medications. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. Your doctor may already be aware of the risks, but has determined that this is the best course of treatment for you and has taken appropriate precautions and is monitoring you closely for any potential complications. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Switch to professional interaction data Major chlorpromazine escitalopramApplies to: Thorazine (chlorpromazine), escitalopram Using escitalopram together with chlorproMAZINE can increase the risk of an irregular heart rhythm that may be serious and potentially life-threatening, although it is a relatively rare side effect. You may be more susceptible if you have a heart condition called congenital long QT syndrome, other cardiac diseases, conduction abnormalities, or electrolyte disturbances (for example, magnesium or potassium loss due to severe or prolonged diarrhea or vomiting). Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. Your doctor may already be aware of the risks, but has determined that this is the best course of treatment for you and has taken appropriate precautions and is monitoring you closely for any potential complications. You should seek immediate medical attention if you develop sudden dizziness, lightheadedness, fainting, shortness of breath, or heart palpitations during treatment with these medications, whether together or alone. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Switch to professional interaction data Moderate zolpidem escitalopramApplies to: Ambien (zolpidem), zolpidem, escitalopram Using zolpidem together with escitalopram may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, confusion, and difficulty concentrating. Some people, especially the elderly, may also experience impairment in thinking, judgment, and motor coordination. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Also avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Switch to professional interaction data Moderate lorazepam escitalopramApplies to: lorazepam, escitalopram Using LORazepam together with escitalopram may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, confusion, and difficulty concentrating. Some people, especially the elderly, may also experience impairment in thinking, judgment, and motor coordination. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Also avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Switch to professional interaction data Moderate zolpidem mirtazapineApplies to: Ambien (zolpidem), zolpidem, Remeron (mirtazapine) Using zolpidem together with mirtazapine may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, confusion, and difficulty concentrating. Some people, especially the elderly, may also experience impairment in thinking, judgment, and motor coordination. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Also avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Switch to professional interaction data Moderate lorazepam mirtazapineApplies to: lorazepam, Remeron (mirtazapine) Using LORazepam together with mirtazapine may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, confusion, and difficulty concentrating. Some people, especially the elderly, may also experience impairment in thinking, judgment, and motor coordination. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Also avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Switch to professional interaction data Moderate chlorpromazine mirtazapineApplies to: Thorazine (chlorpromazine), Remeron (mirtazapine) Using chlorproMAZINE together with mirtazapine may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, confusion, and difficulty concentrating. Some people, especially the elderly, may also experience impairment in thinking, judgment, and motor coordination. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Also avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Switch to professional interaction data Moderate lorazepam zolpidemApplies to: lorazepam, Ambien (zolpidem), zolpidem Using LORazepam together with zolpidem may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, confusion, and difficulty concentrating. Some people, especially the elderly, may also experience impairment in thinking, judgment, and motor coordination. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Also avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Switch to professional interaction data Moderate chlorpromazine zolpidemApplies to: Thorazine (chlorpromazine), Ambien (zolpidem), zolpidem Using chlorproMAZINE together with zolpidem may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, confusion, and difficulty concentrating. Some people, especially the elderly, may also experience impairment in thinking, judgment, and motor coordination. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Also avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Switch to professional interaction data Moderate chlorpromazine lorazepamApplies to: Thorazine (chlorpromazine), lorazepam Using chlorproMAZINE together with LORazepam may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, confusion, and difficulty concentrating. Some people, especially the elderly, may also experience impairment in thinking, judgment, and motor coordination. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Also avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Switch to professional interaction data No other interactions were found between your selected drugs.Note: this does not necessarily mean no interactions exist. ALWAYS consult with your doctor or pharmacist. Other drugs that your selected drugs interact with escitalopram interacts with more than 500 other drugs. lorazepam interacts with more than 300 other drugs. zolpidem interacts with more than 300 other drugs. Ambien (zolpidem) interacts with more than 300 other drugs. Remeron (mirtazapine) interacts with more than 300 other drugs. Thorazine (chlorpromazine) interacts with more than 600 other drugs. Interactions between your selected drugs and food Moderate lorazepam foodApplies to: lorazepam Alcohol can increase the nervous system side effects of LORazepam such as dizziness, drowsiness, and difficulty concentrating. Some people may also experience impairment in thinking and judgment. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with LORazepam. Do not use more than the recommended dose of LORazepam, and avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medication affects you. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist if you have any questions or concerns. Switch to professional interaction data Moderate zolpidem foodApplies to: zolpidem, Ambien (zolpidem) You should avoid the use of alcohol while being treated with zolpidem. Alcohol can increase the nervous system side effects of zolpidem such as dizziness, drowsiness, and difficulty concentrating. Some people may also experience impairment in thinking and judgment. Taking zolpidem with food may delay the onset of sleep. For faster sleep onset, zolpidem should not be taken with or immediately after a meal. This will make it easier for your body to absorb the medication. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist if you have any questions or concerns. Switch to professional interaction data Moderate mirtazapine foodApplies to: Remeron (mirtazapine) Alcohol can increase the nervous system side effects of mirtazapine such as dizziness, drowsiness, and difficulty concentrating. Some people may also experience impairment in thinking and judgment. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with mirtazapine. Do not use more than the recommended dose of mirtazapine, and avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medication affects you. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist if you have any questions or concerns. Switch to professional interaction data Moderate escitalopram foodApplies to: escitalopram Alcohol can increase the nervous system side effects of escitalopram such as dizziness, drowsiness, and difficulty concentrating. Some people may also experience impairment in thinking and judgment. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with escitalopram. Do not use more than the recommended dose of escitalopram, and avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medication affects you. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist if you have any questions or concerns. Switch to professional interaction data Therapeutic duplication warningsTherapeutic duplication is the use of more than one medicine from the same drug category or therapeutic class to treat the same condition. This can be intentional in cases where drugs with similar actions are used together for demonstrated therapeutic benefit. It can also be unintentional in cases where a patient has been treated by more than one doctor, or had prescriptions filled at more than one pharmacy, and can have potentially adverse consequences. Duplication AntidepressantsTherapeutic duplication The recommended maximum number of medicines in the 'antidepressants' category to be taken concurrently is usually one. Your list includes two medicines belonging to the 'antidepressants' category: escitalopram mirtazapine (active ingredient in Remeron (mirtazapine)) Note: The benefits of taking this combination of medicines may outweigh any risks associated with therapeutic duplication. This information does not take the place of talking to your doctor. Always check with your healthcare provider to determine if any adjustments to your medications are needed. Duplication Psychotherapeutic agentsTherapeutic duplication The recommended maximum number of medicines in the 'psychotherapeutic agents' category to be taken concurrently is usually three. Your list includes six medicines belonging to the 'psychotherapeutic agents' category: escitalopram lorazepam zolpidem zolpidem (active ingredient in Ambien (zolpidem)) mirtazapine (active ingredient in Remeron (mirtazapine)) chlorpromazine (active ingredient in Thorazine (chlorpromazine)) Note: The benefits of taking this combination of medicines may outweigh any risks associated with therapeutic duplication. This information does not take the place of talking to your doctor. Always check with your healthcare provider to determine if any adjustments to your medications are needed. Duplication CNS drugsTherapeutic duplication The recommended maximum number of medicines in the 'CNS drugs' category to be taken concurrently is usually three. Your list includes six medicines belonging to the 'CNS drugs' category: escitalopram lorazepam zolpidem zolpidem (active ingredient in Ambien (zolpidem)) mirtazapine (active ingredient in Remeron (mirtazapine)) chlorpromazine (active ingredient in Thorazine (chlorpromazine)) Note: The benefits of taking this combination of medicines may outweigh any risks associated with therapeutic duplication. This information does not take the place of talking to your doctor. Always check with your healthcare provider to determine if any adjustments to your medications are needed. Duplication HypnoticsTherapeutic duplication The recommended maximum number of medicines in the 'hypnotics' category to be taken concurrently is usually one. Your list includes two medicines belonging to the 'hypnotics' category: zolpidem zolpidem (active ingredient in Ambien (zolpidem)) Note: The benefits of taking this combination of medicines may outweigh any risks associated with therapeutic duplication. This information does not take the place of talking to your doctor. Always check with your healthcare provider to determine if any adjustments to your medications are needed. .................................................................................... 'Despite this extensive medical care' ...gee who are they kidding that man was having his brain fried by doctors My guess he was suffering akathisia plus other drug effects. What a cocktail. OR as KB might say he was suffering a 'cataclismic mood disorder' induced by the drugs "Lubitz took antidepressant drugs and received psychotherapy through the following year. The psychiatrist stated in July 2009 that Lubitz had fully recovered." No doubt that call was made with Lubitz drugged to the eyeballs. Be very revealing to see Lubitzs drug signature with time frames and taper attempts wouldnt it. Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor ang Posted April 8, 2016 Author Mentor Share Posted April 8, 2016 Hi Just discovered this thread, there is other topics to do with this thread, hopefully someone can combine them all? REading through I realise I also discovered this thread 12 months ago................ Oh god, my poor brain, didnt realise it was so damn bad! The topic is wonderful,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, the pills kill, and they keep hiding this fact...................... WELL DONE NZ 11, KEEP UP THE WORK! We can only just keep trying, to make the blatantly obvious, actually obvious, despite the hiding and the lack of this information in coronial inquests........... I actually tried, the man who drove himself and four kids into a lake? Test for AD drugs, but in reality, if the AD drugs are within limits ''IE WHATEVER THE PSYCH RECKONS IS OK"", or coming off the drugs, or whatever, never ever are the drugs considered. Every mass shooting in USA in schools, has been from kids on psych drugs. And now to know 61 % of plane crashes are psych drugs? How long can GSK, Merck and all the others keep lying? 1992 Dothiepin 375mg 8 weeks, exhaustion/depression. Serotonin syndrome, oh yes! seizures . Fell pregnant, 3rd baby, Nitrous Oxide, 3 weeks mental hospital pp psychosis. zoloft tegretol. Feb 1996 ct tegretol, tapered Zoloft 8 weeks. as (unexpectedly) pregnant. Steven died after 3 days.(Zolft HLHS baby). 98 had run in with Paxil, 2 tablets, 3 weeks taper, survived.2005..menopause? exhausted again. Zyprexa, mad in three days, fallout.... Seroquel, Effexor, tegretol, and 8 years of self destruction. Failed taper.Damn 1/4 valium... nuts again! .fallout, zoloft 100mg seroquol 400mg mirtazapine 45 mg tegretol 400mg. Mid 14 3 month taper. Nov 14 CRASH.Mid 15 .... 75mg seroquel, 3 x 1800mg SJW 2 week window end of December followed by 6 week wave5/2 68mg seroquel, 2.5 x 1800mg SJW::::20/2 61mg seroquel, 2.5 x SJW::: 26/2 54mg seroquel, 2 x SJW::::21/3 43mg seroquel, 1 x 2700SJW :::: 23/4 36mg seroquel 1 x 1800 SJW15/5 33mg seroquel, 1 x SJW:::: 28/5 30mg seroquel, 1 x SJW::::; 18/6 25mg seroquel 1/2 SJW::::, 11/7 21mg seroquel 1/2 SJW::, 26/7 18mg seroquel 1/2 SJW:::, 9/8 12mg seroquel :::, 16/8 6mg seroquel ;;;;, 12/9 0 jump. 23/9 3mg....., 27/9 0mg. Reinstated, 6mg, then 12mg............. LIGHTBULB MOMENT, I have MTHFR 2x mutations. CFS and issues with MOULD in my home. So I left home, and working 150km away during week, loving it. Oh was hard, panic attacks first week, gone now, along with the mould issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor ang Posted April 8, 2016 Author Mentor Share Posted April 8, 2016 oh gee, he doubled his dose of ADs? Darn, his depression must have been super-bad. No wonder he crashed the plane. Says he saw flashes of light. People have that in WD. He was probably all over the map...the phase where you start two and stop one, quit altogether, get a new DX and start three more. (Some of us anyway) http://news.sky.com/story/1500416/germanwings-alps-crash-pilot-feared-blindness Oh god we need a like button for comments, you get 100 like comments here, from me! the phase where we panic, feel so bloody awful, and crazy, start two, stop one, get a new DX, or see any doctors we can find!!! and start 3 more. Thank god I wasnt flying an aeoroplane for a living when that happened to me! God, I couldnt even drive a car! 1992 Dothiepin 375mg 8 weeks, exhaustion/depression. Serotonin syndrome, oh yes! seizures . Fell pregnant, 3rd baby, Nitrous Oxide, 3 weeks mental hospital pp psychosis. zoloft tegretol. Feb 1996 ct tegretol, tapered Zoloft 8 weeks. as (unexpectedly) pregnant. Steven died after 3 days.(Zolft HLHS baby). 98 had run in with Paxil, 2 tablets, 3 weeks taper, survived.2005..menopause? exhausted again. Zyprexa, mad in three days, fallout.... Seroquel, Effexor, tegretol, and 8 years of self destruction. Failed taper.Damn 1/4 valium... nuts again! .fallout, zoloft 100mg seroquol 400mg mirtazapine 45 mg tegretol 400mg. Mid 14 3 month taper. Nov 14 CRASH.Mid 15 .... 75mg seroquel, 3 x 1800mg SJW 2 week window end of December followed by 6 week wave5/2 68mg seroquel, 2.5 x 1800mg SJW::::20/2 61mg seroquel, 2.5 x SJW::: 26/2 54mg seroquel, 2 x SJW::::21/3 43mg seroquel, 1 x 2700SJW :::: 23/4 36mg seroquel 1 x 1800 SJW15/5 33mg seroquel, 1 x SJW:::: 28/5 30mg seroquel, 1 x SJW::::; 18/6 25mg seroquel 1/2 SJW::::, 11/7 21mg seroquel 1/2 SJW::, 26/7 18mg seroquel 1/2 SJW:::, 9/8 12mg seroquel :::, 16/8 6mg seroquel ;;;;, 12/9 0 jump. 23/9 3mg....., 27/9 0mg. Reinstated, 6mg, then 12mg............. LIGHTBULB MOMENT, I have MTHFR 2x mutations. CFS and issues with MOULD in my home. So I left home, and working 150km away during week, loving it. Oh was hard, panic attacks first week, gone now, along with the mould issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
line Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 The Final Report: https://www.bea.aero/uploads/tx_elydbrapports/BEA2015-0125.en-LR.pdf December 2014: Vision problems and sleep disorders. 17/02/2015: Referral to psychotherapist and psychiatrist for outpatient treatment of psychosomatic disorder and anxiety disorder. Prescription: Zopiclone 3,75 mg 24/02/2015: Treating psychiatrist: First prescription of Mirtazapine. In a March 10 e-mail to a doctor, Lubitz had indicated he could only sleep two hours a night and wanted urgent help, Robin said. Lubitz specified he was taking Mirtazapine, an antidepressant, and had even doubled the dosage from 15 to 30 milligrams in a failed bid to improve his sleep, and his fear of going blind continued, the prosecutor added. 10/03/2016 Private physician C: Referral for psychiatric hospital treatment due to a possible "psychosis". 16/03/2015 Teating psychiatrist Further prescriptions: Escitalopram 20 mg/ml gtt, Dominal f. 80 mg, Zolpidem. 24/03/2015 crash Toxicological examinations of the co-pilot’s human tissue found at the accidentsite were conducted by the French judicial authorities. The presence of citalopram and mirtazapine, which are two antidepressant medications, as well as of zopiclone, which is a sleeping-aid medication was detected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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