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Miko789

Hi Andy

what were  the symptoms when you tapered the olanzapine if any., The insomnia when did it stop and for how long?

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andy

Insomnia anxiety akashia depression severe fatigue massive weight gain

everything settled about six months after finally tapering to zero

yoh have to tackle itvfrom all angles ,diet,excersise,patience,faith,time to heal

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Lloyd59

Hi Andy , hope your doing well. I was on Zyprexa Wafers for 7-8yrs and I'd had enough and bout 6wks ago i went from 15mg Wafers then 2wks later dropped to 10mg then another 2wks to 5mg then 2wks more stopped completely. Im now just into my 4th wk of Withdrawals. Ive been having alot of aches an pains headaches an terrible insomnia. I do have some Dizzy spells aswell. Dispite all this my mind is very clear an has been since i went of Zyprexa. I think this is making me determined to see it thru. I'd like to ask you or anyone on this forum do or have you experienced any of my Withdrawal Symptoms? ? If so how much longer will i have to have these Symptoms? ? Thanking you Lloyd 

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Altostrata

Hello, Lloyd. Please start a topic for yourself in the Introductions forum so we can get to know you and answer your questions.

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rupa

Dear Andy

Hope you are good

Four days back I jumped zero olanzapine from 0.625.

From that day I am getting 2,3 hours of quality sleep. 

How ever I am managing to keep shut my eyes 3 more hours.

Today I am facing difficulty due to continuous improper sleep.

But no other withdrawal symptoms.

So please I am looking up to you to what to do.

How to manage this sleep problem without reinstating?

please.

 

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arwilliams

@andy what was the longest period of time you were on Zyprexa?  Also highest dose?

 

I have gathered from reading that the longer you are on something the harder it is to come off of it.

I can find the source where they tested this on rats in Robert Whitakers book if necessary.

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Spideygsm

All,

 

I originally read Andy's thread, joined the forum, and replied. The Moderator moved my reply to the new members intro section. My experience is very similar to Andy's. My last dose of Zyprexa was almost 12 weeks ago. I took it for 14 years and I started my rapid taper at 30mg/day. I started my taper at 10% and immediately got about every withdrawal in there is. I had to get off Zyprexa because the side effects started killing me once I got to such a high dose and for so long. My Doctor wanted me off so she had me taper by 25% every 10 days. when I got down to 2.5 mg, I went to 1.25, then 0.625. The toughest for me was at 0.625 then when I stopped. For me that's when it got really rough. The absolute worst was when I hit the 4 week mark. That was the worst time for me. I have no reason why. Just happened. My doctor had me try Ambien and Valium to help with the insomnia/anxiety but they didn't work so I stopped them before I ended up getting hooked on those. Benzo withdrawals suck and sleeping pills aren't fun either.

 

At week 9 I started getting better (except the insomnia and no energy). I had good days and bad days (mostly good). Then about week 10 my withdrawals stopped except the insomnia and low energy which was something I could easily live with. I saw my Doctor 4 weeks ago today. She put me on Trazodone for sleep and suggested I try pure CBD oil. The Trazodone hasn't helped a whole lot. I started the CBD last week and it's helped. In fact I've fallen right asleep and gotten 7 hours+ straight sleep the last 4 nights. I personally think it's the CBD since I've been slowly upping the dose until I found what works. I don't know if its the CBD, Trazodone for sure, or if I'm just getting better. I asked my Doctor today if I could start tapering the Trazodone and she suggested that I stay on both the Trazodone and CBD until the energy level increases.

 

I'm very similar to Andy. The thing that helped/helps the most is exercise. I'm a swimmer. Hadn't swam for years but started again under my Doctor's advice. She said that the brain has to learn to adjust and work without the drug stimulation. She said the fastest way to help the process along was to do a aerobic exercise as often as possible to get the endorphins naturally released. I started swimming again Feb 2 and I was lucky and was able to build up my endurance to one mile (freestyle, no stops) after 6 days. I now swim around 1-1/2 miles nonstop 5 days per week. It really helps. When I was experiencing really bad withdrawals, after I swam, most of my symptoms were gone. However, in the evening, they'd return. At least I'd get 3-4 hours of relief. When I initially started Zyprexa, I gained about 50 lbs. I've always been a very active and athletic person. I started eating well and exercised (mostly walking). I lost all the weight until my dose was increased from 20mg to 30mg last year. Then my weight went back up by 25 lbs. Now I'm down to less than my original pre-Zyprexa weight by a few pounds, my Zyprexa side effects issues have pretty much resolved themselves, and I'm feeling much better. Zyprexa did help me but I kept building up a tolerance and had to keep going up in dose. Since I originally took the weight gain back off, I didn't really have any side effects other than not being all there mentally. It's only when I put on 25 lbs after the last dose increase is when the side effects really took hold. My theory is that if one can keep the weight off and not eat junk food like Zyprexa makes you want to do, you can keep the Cholesterol, Blood-Sugar, and high liver panels in check. 

 

I completely agree with Andy about staying off the internet once you start the taper unless you're seeking positive advice. I didn't know this website existed until last week. All I read were horror stories and failures and not success stories. Reading the bad stuff just gives one a negative feeling and I think makes things worse. I always thought I'm not giving up. Just doing the taper itself took a couple of months. For me it was too much of a waste of time to give up. While it sucked to be me withdrawing from Benzos years ago, it did teach me that with time, it would end. I kept that attitude and always thought forward that one day the Zyprexa withdrawals would stop which they did.

 

Good luck to all and Andy's given everybody great advice and told it like it was for me.

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andy
9 hours ago, arwilliams said:

@andy what was the longest period of time you were on Zyprexa?  Also highest dose?

 

I have gathered from reading that the longer you are on something the harder it is to come off of it.

I can find the source where they tested this on rats in Robert Whitakers book if necessary.

3 years in total but i was also on citalopram ,sertraline and quetiapine for a while

stop reading about it and start detoxing the junk from your body and then you can get on with life

the body is made to heal itself give it the right tools it will including the brain

good luck

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DaveB
On 5/24/2018 at 1:04 AM, andy said:

3 years in total but i was also on citalopram ,sertraline and quetiapine for a while

stop reading about it and start detoxing the junk from your body and then you can get on with life

the body is made to heal itself give it the right tools it will including the brain

good luck

 

I am still waiting to stabilize on Paxil and Zyprexa. How stable were you when you started your Zyprexa taper?  Were you taking anything else at the time?

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arwilliams

Is your sleep at least a consistent 3-4 hours now?

 

I can go 2 maybe 3 days with out sleep temporarily.

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arwilliams

Thank you for the response.  Sorry it appears the editor submitted 2 posts.

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andy
On 5/26/2018 at 6:43 PM, DaveB said:

 

I am still waiting to stabilize on Paxil and Zyprexa. How stable were you when you started your Zyprexa taper?  Were you taking anything else at the time?

No I got off everything else ,I did what the admins said on here and got off the most activating first ie the ads

I was a complete mess when I started tapering 

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andy
On 5/26/2018 at 10:22 PM, arwilliams said:

Is your sleep at least a consistent 3-4 hours now?

 

I can go 2 maybe 3 days with out sleep temporarily.

Sleep is perfect and I can nap in the day most importantly it's refreshing sleep

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frasier23
On 11/4/2017 at 5:43 PM, Plshelp said:

Andy, 

Did you ever not know what to do with yourself? My circadian rhythm is totally screwed up and my perception of time is altered severely. I don't have any bodily sensations (can't feel hunger, fullness, thirst or even if I have to go to the bathroom). Plus I have no thoughts, motivation and anhedonia. I feel really unwell and had to go on an antidepressant b/c the depression, extreme suicidal thoughts and despair were eating me alive.

 

I don't know what to do everyday with myself and I just follow ppl around all day. I was following my mom around, but she got sick of me, so now I go and follow my friend Damon around all the time. I'm literally just shadowing them. They eat, so I eat, they drink, so I drink, they go to the bathroom, so I go to the bathroom, they go to the store and I go with them. 

 

Did you ever have any symptoms or issues like this? I'm scared I'm going to be like this forever. 

@Plshelpfor me it took 12+ months before some of the symptoms lifted a bit. Keep healthy and medicine free for 2 years and you should have seen some kind of larger relief. I still dont feel hunger hehe but I can have small desires plus I know food helps me so I eat regularly 3 Times a day best food I can find. It took me 6 months before I felt first real progress, which wasnt that impressive  btw. 

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frasier23

@andy. It possible for you to quickly write down what you eat a normal day? (also if any supplements). Your recovery progress and strategy is very similiar to mine. Would be interesting to ear what you eat to compare. Im not as fully healed as you but Im hoping I will do more. Havent been able to train for more than 3-4 months so Im hopeful. Very Nice work A++

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Spideygsm

Andy has said it perfectly. Exercise. That’s helped me the most. You’re not gonna feel or have the strength to do it but you have to force yourself. If you haven’t exercised in a long time, start by walking. I don’t lift weights, I swim. I get 100% relief while I’m swimming and the endorphins effect from an aerobic workout lasts 3-4 hours. Plus it helps with sleep. it. I told my Doctor exercise helped. She said to exercise more.

 

Getting this crap out of your system requires a total lifestyle change. It takes willpower, guts, internal strength, and dedication. Commit to living without sleep for several months. As Andy said, it’s something you just have to deal with. If you find anything that helps, keep doing it. 

 

I still feel weird but mych better better when I was on Zyprexa and WAY better than the withdrawals. 

 

Good luck. Be strong

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andy
16 hours ago, frasier23 said:

@andy. It possible for you to quickly write down what you eat a normal day? (also if any supplements). Your recovery progress and strategy is very similiar to mine. Would be interesting to ear what you eat to compare. Im not as fully healed as you but Im hoping I will do more. Havent been able to train for more than 3-4 months so Im hopeful. Very Nice work A++

I ate a non processed food diet with lots of healthy fats to heal my brain also lots of fresh vegetables

You must absolutely cut out sugar drinks and any caffeine,j drank lots and lots of spring water as well

Magensium three times a day and that was about it ,I used to walk for hours 

I called it burning off anxiety and it worked 

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Bobo32
2 hours ago, andy said:

I ate a non processed food diet with lots of healthy fats to heal my brain also lots of fresh vegetables

You must absolutely cut out sugar drinks and any caffeine,j drank lots and lots of spring water as well

Magensium three times a day and that was about it ,I used to walk for hours 

I called it burning off anxiety and it worked 

 

Hey andy, 

you said to cut off caffeine as well. Can you explain why you think it s bad?

 

Also I like to ask you if you still have brain for and anhedonia?

 

If not how long it took for those and other symptoms take to go away?

 

Thank you

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andy

You do t want anything stimulating so you can sleep and not feel wired 

By July 2016 I felt pretty good no side effects left 

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frasier23

@andy. Thanks Andy. I have some follow ups if you dont mind.

 

Did you have tinnitus and if so is it gone?

 

Why is magnesium important 3 Times a day according to you? (you still on it?)

 

When you say spring water, what brand did you buy or do you have own source? 

 

I drink a lot of tap water but I know its not perfect water. 

 

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andy
7 minutes ago, frasier23 said:

@andy. Thanks Andy. I have some follow ups if you dont mind.

 

Did you have tinnitus and if so is it gone?

 

Why is magnesium important 3 Times a day according to you? (you still on it?)

 

When you say spring water, what brand did you buy or do you have own source? 

 

I drink a lot of tap water but I know its not perfect water. 

 

I Had very bad tinnitus after quetiapine ,magnesium is vital for nerve health and very relaxing I still take 250mg a day

I also had a smoothie with hemp seed protein every day its a perfect ratio of omega 3 and 6 for brain health 

Tinnitus is almost non existent but took a long time to go ,I wont touch tap water its full of flouride which is a neuro toxcin. I go to a natural spring in the hills near me

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frasier23

Thanks @andy, this means a lot.

 

I will look into hemp seeds and magnesium. Dont think I have any spring water nearby, maybe some kind farmer know. Will look into that since I got the imagination from you that it was an important thing for your recovery. I like those things. 

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RealMe
On 7/2/2018 at 1:57 PM, andy said:

I Had very bad tinnitus after quetiapine ,magnesium is vital for nerve health and very relaxing I still take 250mg a day

I also had a smoothie with hemp seed protein every day its a perfect ratio of omega 3 and 6 for brain health 

Tinnitus is almost non existent but took a long time to go ,I wont touch tap water its full of flouride which is a neuro toxcin. I go to a natural spring in the hills near me

Hi Andy,

I'm trying to habituate to severe tinnitus that started after taking Wellbutrin back in early October, 2017.  I know this is not definitive for everyone, but could you please tell me how long your "long time" was before relief from tinnitus?  And did it go away completely?  Do you have any advice on how to deal with it?  Was yours a result of ADs?

Also, could you please tell me what brand and/or composition your magnesium is?  I have a crazy side effect of irritated, swollen tongue when I take it even in small amounts.  

Thank you for any feedback.

RM

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IanM

Hi Andy. It was sure nice reading your success story, and I hope you continue to do well.

 

I was wondering if I could trouble you to provide some clarification on your taper schedule once you hit the 2.5mg mark. I couldn't quite figure out what you did with the every-other-day thing. You said that you split a 2.5mg pill in half and took it every other day, but I assume you continued to take 2.5mg on the 'other' day, correct? Or did you go straight from 2.5mg to 1.25mg every other day, as your post seems to imply? And what pill did you cut in quarters?

 

Any info would be greatly appreciated, and thanks.

 

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