dowdaller Posted December 4, 2016 Author Share Posted December 4, 2016 Thanks shep I am still alive as pearl jam said in the song. I havnt the party hats and bunting out but I am doing okay ;-). The likes of me and you just gotta hold fast and we will ride out this storm, some day. I am off all meds 16 months I had been on olanzapine, Effexor zanex and assorted sleeping meds for approx 2 years. Weaned off 375 mg effexor over two years, I had previously come off xanax, rivotrill and olazapine. Reinstated 75mg of effexor on the 22/12/16 Link to comment
dowdaller Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 Have struggled the last week, I started doing some cbt to help with my ocd/ anxiety which is difficult when you are depressed, but this got me out of the hole in the past and I think it will do so again, so I am going back to basics, so my days are full of cbt mindfullness and I got a new sad light, so I just got to give it time. And when the weather gets better here and my anxiety dips my mood should lift, I am going to see my doctor next week I will ask to refer me to a cbt/behavioral specialist.Its the only way to get my ocd back under control,thats the latest from me, I am surviving just about, but still fighting the good fight. I am off all meds 16 months I had been on olanzapine, Effexor zanex and assorted sleeping meds for approx 2 years. Weaned off 375 mg effexor over two years, I had previously come off xanax, rivotrill and olazapine. Reinstated 75mg of effexor on the 22/12/16 Link to comment
AliG Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 DD. Sorry you're struggling. How are you finding the CBT ? Is the light helping ? Are you taking vitamin D ? Is there any sun ? Many SSRI's and SSNRI's over 20 years. Zoloft for 7 years followed by Effexor, Lexapro, Prozac, Cymbalta, Celexa, Pristiq, Valdoxan, Mianserin and more - on and off. No tapering. Cold turkey off Valdoxan - end of May 2014 Psych Drug - free since May 2014 . Link to comment
dowdaller Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 DD. Sorry you're struggling. How are you finding the CBT ? Is the light helping ? Are you taking vitamin D ? Is there any sun ?Very little sun, gets bright around about 8 30 and dark at 4 and if its cloudy very little sun. The cbt is good but very hard, it involves exposing yourself to your fears and sitting and not reacting, its hard to do when depressed, but it worked for me in the past. Only started using the light today, so I will tell you in a week. I am off all meds 16 months I had been on olanzapine, Effexor zanex and assorted sleeping meds for approx 2 years. Weaned off 375 mg effexor over two years, I had previously come off xanax, rivotrill and olazapine. Reinstated 75mg of effexor on the 22/12/16 Link to comment
AliG Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I found CBT to be ineffectual in W/D , but that's just me . How are you finding it ? Again - are you taking vitamin D ? Many SSRI's and SSNRI's over 20 years. Zoloft for 7 years followed by Effexor, Lexapro, Prozac, Cymbalta, Celexa, Pristiq, Valdoxan, Mianserin and more - on and off. No tapering. Cold turkey off Valdoxan - end of May 2014 Psych Drug - free since May 2014 . Link to comment
dowdaller Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 I found CBT to be ineffectual in W/D , but that's just me . How are you finding it ? Again - are you taking vitamin D ? Yea I am taking the vitamin d I am only at the cbt one week,it worked in the past when I ct off xanax so I am hoping it might help,its very difficult to do when your mood is low its tough work but can get results. I am off all meds 16 months I had been on olanzapine, Effexor zanex and assorted sleeping meds for approx 2 years. Weaned off 375 mg effexor over two years, I had previously come off xanax, rivotrill and olazapine. Reinstated 75mg of effexor on the 22/12/16 Link to comment
AliG Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Good luck with that, DD. It can be hard in W/D but I hope that you have some solid results . Many SSRI's and SSNRI's over 20 years. Zoloft for 7 years followed by Effexor, Lexapro, Prozac, Cymbalta, Celexa, Pristiq, Valdoxan, Mianserin and more - on and off. No tapering. Cold turkey off Valdoxan - end of May 2014 Psych Drug - free since May 2014 . Link to comment
dowdaller Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 Good luck with that, DD. It can be hard in W/D but I hope that you have some solid results . I hope so ali, I am sort of use to it now, its horrible but I know I can survive, doesnt make it any easier though. I am off all meds 16 months I had been on olanzapine, Effexor zanex and assorted sleeping meds for approx 2 years. Weaned off 375 mg effexor over two years, I had previously come off xanax, rivotrill and olazapine. Reinstated 75mg of effexor on the 22/12/16 Link to comment
dowdaller Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 I have been depressed for the last number of weeks its very hard to keep going, I am up with my doc Wednesday I am hoping he can give me some guidance my ocd is as bad as it has been in a number of years. Trying to do my cbt to fight it off its so hard when your mood is low, I know I will naturally pick up in the spring which is now 2 months away. I am not avoiding anything and facing my anxiety head on, its the only way, my ocd is telling me to take to the bed, so I am going to fight. I am off all meds 16 months I had been on olanzapine, Effexor zanex and assorted sleeping meds for approx 2 years. Weaned off 375 mg effexor over two years, I had previously come off xanax, rivotrill and olazapine. Reinstated 75mg of effexor on the 22/12/16 Link to comment
peng Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Sounds tough. Hope you will feel better soon. I reckon you might do. This is a trough for those of us who look to the natural world for encouragement. Home comforts regarded as "normal", now, like central heating, double/triple glazing, plenty of fuel, food and clothing, civilisation, have all conspired to make us lose touch with the natural world. The winter solstice (shortest day) will be with us in a couple of days. The sun only gets 10 degrees above the horizon here at this time of year and, in our maritime climate, plenty of cloud, mist and fog can make it the dreariest of times. As does the urge for everyone to be forced into celebration mode! Long ago, everyone looked to this annual event when the sun starts to ascend the sky, slowly but surely, as it had done for millennia. The "roaring westerlies" are returning in a couple of days, too. At least the sky changes minute by minute then as the gales force the clouds to get a move on, and blow holes in them at times. Remember, too, that by mid-February, the sun will be noticeably higher and, normally, the birds start thinking about nest-building and love is in the air for them. Hang in there, dowdaller! Born 1945. 1999 - First Effexor/Venlafaxine. 2016 Withdrawal research. Effexor. 13Jul - 212.5mg; 6Aug - 200.0mg; 24Aug - 187.5mg; 13Sep - 175.0mg; 3Oct - 162.5mg; 26Oct - 150mg 2017 9Jan - 150.00mg; 23Mar - 137.50mg; 24Apr - 125.00mg; 31May - 112.50mg holding; 3Sep - 100.00mg; 20Sep - 93.75mg; 20Oct - 87.5mg; 12Nov - 81.25mg; 13 Dec - 75.00mg 2018 18Jan - 69.1mg; 16Feb - 62.5mg; 16March - 57.5mg (-8%); 22Apr - 56.3mg(-2%); CRASHED - Updose 29May - 62.5mg; Updose - 1Jul - 75.0mg. Updose - 2Aug - 87.5mg. Updose - 27Aug - 100.0mg. Updose - 11Oct 112.5mg. Updose - 6Nov 125.00mg. 2019 Updoses 19 Jan - 150.0mg. 1April - 162.5mg. 24 April - Feeling better - doing tasks, getting outside. 7 May - usual depression questionnaire gives "probably no depression" result. Supps/Vits Omega 3; Chelated Magnesium; Prebiotics/Probiotics, Vit D3. Link to comment
dowdaller Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 Sounds tough. Hope you will feel better soon. I reckon you might do. This is a trough for those of us who look to the natural world for encouragement. Home comforts regarded as "normal", now, like central heating, double/triple glazing, plenty of fuel, food and clothing, civilisation, have all conspired to make us lose touch with the natural world. The winter solstice (shortest day) will be with us in a couple of days. The sun only gets 10 degrees above the horizon here at this time of year and, in our maritime climate, plenty of cloud, mist and fog can make it the dreariest of times. As does the urge for everyone to be forced into celebration mode! Long ago, everyone looked to this annual event when the sun starts to ascend the sky, slowly but surely, as it had done for millennia. The "roaring westerlies" are returning in a couple of days, too. At least the sky changes minute by minute then as the gales force the clouds to get a move on, and blow holes in them at times. Remember, too, that by mid-February, the sun will be noticeably higher and, normally, the birds start thinking about nest-building and love is in the air for them. Hang in there, dowdaller! thanks peng i know the wheel will its just hard when you are in the pit. thanks for posting I am off all meds 16 months I had been on olanzapine, Effexor zanex and assorted sleeping meds for approx 2 years. Weaned off 375 mg effexor over two years, I had previously come off xanax, rivotrill and olazapine. Reinstated 75mg of effexor on the 22/12/16 Link to comment
Flowers Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Hello DD I have been reading your thread and think you have done amazingly well. You have developed coping strategies and are really doing your best. This time of year can be very hard as Peng says. We are going to work in the dark and coming home in the dark and everybody is supposed to be happy! I am living in a warm country but we have had a lot of rain and dreary days this winter already. Yesterday was one of them and although we know it won't be long before the sun comes out again it still makes us miserable and I had a bad day yesterday with low mood. I am always glad when we get to January! Keep fighting and take one day at a time - I look forward to reading more of your posts. 15 yrs on 20 to 30 mgs CITALOPRAM. MAY 2014 Increased to 40 mgs per day.SEPT/NOV 2014 tapered in 6 weeks down to 10 mgs as per Dr instructions due to violent nightmares/palpitations.Given Noctamid (lormetazepam) to help with anxiety. On average took 2mg per day for 8 weeks.No taper was advised.DEC 2014 WD severe. Nervous tic in eyes and limbs, muscle pain,fluct temp, weakness, dep and anxiety, nausea, giddy, unstable when walking. Different Dr suggested taking 20mgs CIT. BROMAZEPAM 3mgs up to 3 x daily for anxiety.DEC 9 2014 Updose CIT to 30mgs. Only taking BROMAZEPAM in emergency.DEC 31 2014 Settling at 30mg CIT - helping with depression. No Brom for 2wks.Found SA.APR 2015 Trying to stabilise on 30mgs CIT. JAN 2016 Started Cit Taper reducing by 5% per month. 28.5 mgs FEB Taper held bereavement. APR Taper resumed 27mgs . MAY 25.50 mgs . JUNE 24 mgs . JULY I stupidly mixed up my BP meds with CIT. Consequently took no CIT for 3 days and doubled my BP meds. Waiting for the fallout....Holding for a while until any chance of repercussions have abated. SEPT taper resumed to 22.5 mgs . OCT 21 mgs .NOV 19.95 mgs DEC crashed. 2017: FEB 3rd updose to 20.5 mgs to try to stabilise.FEB.switched over to 75mgs of Venlafaxine XR for 3 weeks.Too stimulating so switching back to Cit. 12 March 37.5 Ven and 20 Cit. 21 March 18mg Ven 20mg Cit. 4 April 9mg Ven 20mg Cit. Xanax .50mg when needed. 13 April 0 mgs Ven, 20mg Citalopram. Xanax .50 mg per day. 5 May reinstated a small amount of Ven to stabilize 1 mg twice a day. 20 mg Citalopram at night. Xanax .25 mg twice per day.Other Meds: Losartan (BP)Started 1993 at 50 mgs at night. Seretide (Asthma) Started 1996 at 1 puff twice a day. Jan 2019 Antibiotic Ceclor 500mgs twice a day for bronchitis and Atrovent 2ml capsules twice a day for asthma. Finished the course of both Jan 17. XANAX Jan 27 - Feb 3 2019 Failed Valium Crossover. Feb 14 2019 Updosed Xanax by .0625 Feb 17 2019 Decreased Xanax by .0625. Back to .50mg daily. Update Xanax 28.2.20 tapered to .1250 mg 8am .25 mg midnight. Update Xanax 11.8.21 tapered to .25 mg at night. Current Meds 28.2.19: CITALOPRAM 20mg taken at midnight. VENLAFAXINE .9 mg twice a day at 8am and 10pm. XANAX .50 mg split into 4 doses per day. 10am .0625mg / 2pm .1250mg/ 6pm .0625mg / midnight .25mg.Update 10.8.22 .25 mg at night. LOSARTAN 50 mgs taken at midnight. SERETIDE 1 puff taken at 8am and 10pm. 7.7.19 VENLAFAXINE UPDATE: Started tapering 10% every 4 weeks. Currently .4 mg twice a day at 8am and 10 pm. 2.9.19 .36 mg x 2. 1.10.19 .32 mg x 2. 26.11.19 .29 mg x2. 26.12.19 .26 mg x 2. 23.1.20 .23 mg x 2. 20.2.20 .21 mg x2.20.3.20 .19 mg x 2. 21.4.20 .17 mg x 2. 19.5.20 .13 mg x 2. 18.6.20 .11mg x 2 .18.7.20.10 mg x 2.1.9.20.09 mg x 2. 30.9. 20 .08 mg x 2. 1.11.20 .07 mg x 2. 2.12.20 .06 mg x 2. 8.1.21 .05 mg x 2. 4.2.21 .04 mg x 2. 9.3.21 .03 mgx2. 7.4.21 .02 mg x 2. 9.5.21 .01 mg x 2. 21.6.21 .01 mg x 1. 11.8.21 ZERO! Link to comment
dowdaller Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 Hello DD I have been reading your thread and think you have done amazingly well. You have developed coping strategies and are really doing your best. This time of year can be very hard as Peng says. We are going to work in the dark and coming home in the dark and everybody is supposed to be happy! I am living in a warm country but we have had a lot of rain and dreary days this winter already. Yesterday was one of them and although we know it won't be long before the sun comes out again it still makes us miserable and I had a bad day yesterday with low mood. I am always glad when we get to January! Keep fighting and take one day at a time - I look forward to reading more of your posts. Thanks flowers I am trying hard, I will keep trying hard its all I can do, yea I am hoping for a lift after christmas. I am off all meds 16 months I had been on olanzapine, Effexor zanex and assorted sleeping meds for approx 2 years. Weaned off 375 mg effexor over two years, I had previously come off xanax, rivotrill and olazapine. Reinstated 75mg of effexor on the 22/12/16 Link to comment
AliG Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 This holiday period can be so hard. I don't know anyone who is actually looking forward to it. It seems to bring up so many issues for so many . Hang in there, DD. Let's all just get through this together. Many SSRI's and SSNRI's over 20 years. Zoloft for 7 years followed by Effexor, Lexapro, Prozac, Cymbalta, Celexa, Pristiq, Valdoxan, Mianserin and more - on and off. No tapering. Cold turkey off Valdoxan - end of May 2014 Psych Drug - free since May 2014 . Link to comment
dowdaller Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 This holiday period can be so hard. I don't know anyone who is actually looking forward to it. It seems to bring up so many issues for so many . Hang in there, DD. Let's all just get through this together. Thanks ali I hope you are doing better now, I slept for 6 and a half hours last night, my sleep seems to have stabilised, I am still very anxious though, I am up with my doc tomorrow I am hoping he cant point me in the right direction, I may need some ocd therapy maybe a day course or something over a period of weeks, I will just see what he says. I am off all meds 16 months I had been on olanzapine, Effexor zanex and assorted sleeping meds for approx 2 years. Weaned off 375 mg effexor over two years, I had previously come off xanax, rivotrill and olazapine. Reinstated 75mg of effexor on the 22/12/16 Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted December 20, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 20, 2016 Hi, dowdaller. Just a quick question - does the sad light ramp up any feelings of anxiety for you? I've had that problem, along with vision issues, so I haven't been able to use my light box for the past few years, at least not for more than a few minutes. Wish I had some better advice than to simply hang in there, but you are doing all of the non-drug coping techniques and getting through it day by day. I hope the ocd therapy is effective and you get some relief soon. Link to comment
dowdaller Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 Hi, dowdaller. Just a quick question - does the sad light ramp up any feelings of anxiety for you? I've had that problem, along with vision issues, so I haven't been able to use my light box for the past few years, at least not for more than a few minutes. Wish I had some better advice than to simply hang in there, but you are doing all of the non-drug coping techniques and getting through it day by day. I hope the ocd therapy is effective and you get some relief soon. The sad light doesnt really seem to make me anxious, I dont know how effective it is I have found it easier to get off to sleep, and I am not waking up as much. But this could be down to other factors. I suffer with the p ocd which has a lot of protectionistic traits, so I am probably expecting too much. But its hard when you were feeling half normal to just start punching in days again in survival mode. I am off all meds 16 months I had been on olanzapine, Effexor zanex and assorted sleeping meds for approx 2 years. Weaned off 375 mg effexor over two years, I had previously come off xanax, rivotrill and olazapine. Reinstated 75mg of effexor on the 22/12/16 Link to comment
AliG Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I am up with my doc tomorrow I am hoping he cant point me in the right direction, D . What do you mean by this ? Is he a psychiatrist ? You trust him ? Glad to hear the sleep has stabilized. That's huge ! You must be feeling better. Many SSRI's and SSNRI's over 20 years. Zoloft for 7 years followed by Effexor, Lexapro, Prozac, Cymbalta, Celexa, Pristiq, Valdoxan, Mianserin and more - on and off. No tapering. Cold turkey off Valdoxan - end of May 2014 Psych Drug - free since May 2014 . Link to comment
dowdaller Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 He is psychiatrist he is the foremost guy on ocd and anxiety disorders in ireland. He works out of a hospital that runs an ocd programme etc, he didnt put me on any meds and took me off them, so I trust him in the sense that he knows my condition and he introduced me to the non medicinal coping techniques like mindfulness and cbt, he wont force me into anything, but he can refer to a good therapist or put me on a programme as an out patient, he may suggest going back on meds I wont be doing this unless I dont improve over a prolonged period of time or have no choice. I am off all meds 16 months I had been on olanzapine, Effexor zanex and assorted sleeping meds for approx 2 years. Weaned off 375 mg effexor over two years, I had previously come off xanax, rivotrill and olazapine. Reinstated 75mg of effexor on the 22/12/16 Link to comment
AliG Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Ok . Good. I just start to hyperventilate a bit over the whole " doctor " scenario. Many SSRI's and SSNRI's over 20 years. Zoloft for 7 years followed by Effexor, Lexapro, Prozac, Cymbalta, Celexa, Pristiq, Valdoxan, Mianserin and more - on and off. No tapering. Cold turkey off Valdoxan - end of May 2014 Psych Drug - free since May 2014 . Link to comment
dowdaller Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 (edited) Ok . Good. I just start to hyperventilate a bit over the whole " doctor " scenario. My gp put me on 375mg effexor 1.5mg of xanax 2.5mg of olanzaoine per day, and assorted sleeping tabs, I wont be going down that road again. Edited December 21, 2016 by ChessieCat removed obscenity I am off all meds 16 months I had been on olanzapine, Effexor zanex and assorted sleeping meds for approx 2 years. Weaned off 375 mg effexor over two years, I had previously come off xanax, rivotrill and olazapine. Reinstated 75mg of effexor on the 22/12/16 Link to comment
AliG Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Never go down that road again ! Agreed. We are all better off for knowing and uncovering the truth , finally. I wish you luck. I hope it works out with this Doctor. Many SSRI's and SSNRI's over 20 years. Zoloft for 7 years followed by Effexor, Lexapro, Prozac, Cymbalta, Celexa, Pristiq, Valdoxan, Mianserin and more - on and off. No tapering. Cold turkey off Valdoxan - end of May 2014 Psych Drug - free since May 2014 . Link to comment
peng Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 375mg Ffuxor, plus other stuff, I saw that. You have done well! Born 1945. 1999 - First Effexor/Venlafaxine. 2016 Withdrawal research. Effexor. 13Jul - 212.5mg; 6Aug - 200.0mg; 24Aug - 187.5mg; 13Sep - 175.0mg; 3Oct - 162.5mg; 26Oct - 150mg 2017 9Jan - 150.00mg; 23Mar - 137.50mg; 24Apr - 125.00mg; 31May - 112.50mg holding; 3Sep - 100.00mg; 20Sep - 93.75mg; 20Oct - 87.5mg; 12Nov - 81.25mg; 13 Dec - 75.00mg 2018 18Jan - 69.1mg; 16Feb - 62.5mg; 16March - 57.5mg (-8%); 22Apr - 56.3mg(-2%); CRASHED - Updose 29May - 62.5mg; Updose - 1Jul - 75.0mg. Updose - 2Aug - 87.5mg. Updose - 27Aug - 100.0mg. Updose - 11Oct 112.5mg. Updose - 6Nov 125.00mg. 2019 Updoses 19 Jan - 150.0mg. 1April - 162.5mg. 24 April - Feeling better - doing tasks, getting outside. 7 May - usual depression questionnaire gives "probably no depression" result. Supps/Vits Omega 3; Chelated Magnesium; Prebiotics/Probiotics, Vit D3. Link to comment
dowdaller Posted December 21, 2016 Author Share Posted December 21, 2016 (edited) So I went to my doc he wants me to reinstate at 150 I said no way he said 75, I dunno what to do, my head is all over the place what am I gonna do. Edited December 21, 2016 by ChessieCat edited abbreviated obscenity I am off all meds 16 months I had been on olanzapine, Effexor zanex and assorted sleeping meds for approx 2 years. Weaned off 375 mg effexor over two years, I had previously come off xanax, rivotrill and olazapine. Reinstated 75mg of effexor on the 22/12/16 Link to comment
Flowers Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 OOOOH NOOOOOO!It sounds like you weren't expecting that?! Is it the same Dr that helped you get off all your meds? You have done a lot of hard work to get where you are. How does the Dr know it will help you - it make may you feel worse. Would the Dr not help you to carry on using your CBT etc to get you through this. 15 yrs on 20 to 30 mgs CITALOPRAM. MAY 2014 Increased to 40 mgs per day.SEPT/NOV 2014 tapered in 6 weeks down to 10 mgs as per Dr instructions due to violent nightmares/palpitations.Given Noctamid (lormetazepam) to help with anxiety. On average took 2mg per day for 8 weeks.No taper was advised.DEC 2014 WD severe. Nervous tic in eyes and limbs, muscle pain,fluct temp, weakness, dep and anxiety, nausea, giddy, unstable when walking. Different Dr suggested taking 20mgs CIT. BROMAZEPAM 3mgs up to 3 x daily for anxiety.DEC 9 2014 Updose CIT to 30mgs. Only taking BROMAZEPAM in emergency.DEC 31 2014 Settling at 30mg CIT - helping with depression. No Brom for 2wks.Found SA.APR 2015 Trying to stabilise on 30mgs CIT. JAN 2016 Started Cit Taper reducing by 5% per month. 28.5 mgs FEB Taper held bereavement. APR Taper resumed 27mgs . MAY 25.50 mgs . JUNE 24 mgs . JULY I stupidly mixed up my BP meds with CIT. Consequently took no CIT for 3 days and doubled my BP meds. Waiting for the fallout....Holding for a while until any chance of repercussions have abated. SEPT taper resumed to 22.5 mgs . OCT 21 mgs .NOV 19.95 mgs DEC crashed. 2017: FEB 3rd updose to 20.5 mgs to try to stabilise.FEB.switched over to 75mgs of Venlafaxine XR for 3 weeks.Too stimulating so switching back to Cit. 12 March 37.5 Ven and 20 Cit. 21 March 18mg Ven 20mg Cit. 4 April 9mg Ven 20mg Cit. Xanax .50mg when needed. 13 April 0 mgs Ven, 20mg Citalopram. Xanax .50 mg per day. 5 May reinstated a small amount of Ven to stabilize 1 mg twice a day. 20 mg Citalopram at night. Xanax .25 mg twice per day.Other Meds: Losartan (BP)Started 1993 at 50 mgs at night. Seretide (Asthma) Started 1996 at 1 puff twice a day. Jan 2019 Antibiotic Ceclor 500mgs twice a day for bronchitis and Atrovent 2ml capsules twice a day for asthma. Finished the course of both Jan 17. XANAX Jan 27 - Feb 3 2019 Failed Valium Crossover. Feb 14 2019 Updosed Xanax by .0625 Feb 17 2019 Decreased Xanax by .0625. Back to .50mg daily. Update Xanax 28.2.20 tapered to .1250 mg 8am .25 mg midnight. Update Xanax 11.8.21 tapered to .25 mg at night. Current Meds 28.2.19: CITALOPRAM 20mg taken at midnight. VENLAFAXINE .9 mg twice a day at 8am and 10pm. XANAX .50 mg split into 4 doses per day. 10am .0625mg / 2pm .1250mg/ 6pm .0625mg / midnight .25mg.Update 10.8.22 .25 mg at night. LOSARTAN 50 mgs taken at midnight. SERETIDE 1 puff taken at 8am and 10pm. 7.7.19 VENLAFAXINE UPDATE: Started tapering 10% every 4 weeks. Currently .4 mg twice a day at 8am and 10 pm. 2.9.19 .36 mg x 2. 1.10.19 .32 mg x 2. 26.11.19 .29 mg x2. 26.12.19 .26 mg x 2. 23.1.20 .23 mg x 2. 20.2.20 .21 mg x2.20.3.20 .19 mg x 2. 21.4.20 .17 mg x 2. 19.5.20 .13 mg x 2. 18.6.20 .11mg x 2 .18.7.20.10 mg x 2.1.9.20.09 mg x 2. 30.9. 20 .08 mg x 2. 1.11.20 .07 mg x 2. 2.12.20 .06 mg x 2. 8.1.21 .05 mg x 2. 4.2.21 .04 mg x 2. 9.3.21 .03 mgx2. 7.4.21 .02 mg x 2. 9.5.21 .01 mg x 2. 21.6.21 .01 mg x 1. 11.8.21 ZERO! Link to comment
dowdaller Posted December 21, 2016 Author Share Posted December 21, 2016 OOOOH NOOOOOO!It sounds like you weren't expecting that?! Is it the same Dr that helped you get off all your meds? You have done a lot of hard work to get where you are. How does the Dr know it will help you - it make may you feel worse. Would the Dr not help you to carry on using your CBT etc to get you through this. Yes the same doc, he said that if my mood didn't lift my Ocd would get worse, he likened it to a well and said that if I didn't replenish myself I would crash again, I asked would the depression not lift naturally in time, he said it wouldn't unless I changed a parameter , he has put me back on the anxiety programme which will be one day a week for about 6 weeks as an out patient, I am off all meds 16 months I had been on olanzapine, Effexor zanex and assorted sleeping meds for approx 2 years. Weaned off 375 mg effexor over two years, I had previously come off xanax, rivotrill and olazapine. Reinstated 75mg of effexor on the 22/12/16 Link to comment
Flowers Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Does the anxiety programme involve having to take an AD? I know it is so hard to live with all these symptoms but I would be more scared about going back on anything now. 15 yrs on 20 to 30 mgs CITALOPRAM. MAY 2014 Increased to 40 mgs per day.SEPT/NOV 2014 tapered in 6 weeks down to 10 mgs as per Dr instructions due to violent nightmares/palpitations.Given Noctamid (lormetazepam) to help with anxiety. On average took 2mg per day for 8 weeks.No taper was advised.DEC 2014 WD severe. Nervous tic in eyes and limbs, muscle pain,fluct temp, weakness, dep and anxiety, nausea, giddy, unstable when walking. Different Dr suggested taking 20mgs CIT. BROMAZEPAM 3mgs up to 3 x daily for anxiety.DEC 9 2014 Updose CIT to 30mgs. Only taking BROMAZEPAM in emergency.DEC 31 2014 Settling at 30mg CIT - helping with depression. No Brom for 2wks.Found SA.APR 2015 Trying to stabilise on 30mgs CIT. JAN 2016 Started Cit Taper reducing by 5% per month. 28.5 mgs FEB Taper held bereavement. APR Taper resumed 27mgs . MAY 25.50 mgs . JUNE 24 mgs . JULY I stupidly mixed up my BP meds with CIT. Consequently took no CIT for 3 days and doubled my BP meds. Waiting for the fallout....Holding for a while until any chance of repercussions have abated. SEPT taper resumed to 22.5 mgs . OCT 21 mgs .NOV 19.95 mgs DEC crashed. 2017: FEB 3rd updose to 20.5 mgs to try to stabilise.FEB.switched over to 75mgs of Venlafaxine XR for 3 weeks.Too stimulating so switching back to Cit. 12 March 37.5 Ven and 20 Cit. 21 March 18mg Ven 20mg Cit. 4 April 9mg Ven 20mg Cit. Xanax .50mg when needed. 13 April 0 mgs Ven, 20mg Citalopram. Xanax .50 mg per day. 5 May reinstated a small amount of Ven to stabilize 1 mg twice a day. 20 mg Citalopram at night. Xanax .25 mg twice per day.Other Meds: Losartan (BP)Started 1993 at 50 mgs at night. Seretide (Asthma) Started 1996 at 1 puff twice a day. Jan 2019 Antibiotic Ceclor 500mgs twice a day for bronchitis and Atrovent 2ml capsules twice a day for asthma. Finished the course of both Jan 17. XANAX Jan 27 - Feb 3 2019 Failed Valium Crossover. Feb 14 2019 Updosed Xanax by .0625 Feb 17 2019 Decreased Xanax by .0625. Back to .50mg daily. Update Xanax 28.2.20 tapered to .1250 mg 8am .25 mg midnight. Update Xanax 11.8.21 tapered to .25 mg at night. Current Meds 28.2.19: CITALOPRAM 20mg taken at midnight. VENLAFAXINE .9 mg twice a day at 8am and 10pm. XANAX .50 mg split into 4 doses per day. 10am .0625mg / 2pm .1250mg/ 6pm .0625mg / midnight .25mg.Update 10.8.22 .25 mg at night. LOSARTAN 50 mgs taken at midnight. SERETIDE 1 puff taken at 8am and 10pm. 7.7.19 VENLAFAXINE UPDATE: Started tapering 10% every 4 weeks. Currently .4 mg twice a day at 8am and 10 pm. 2.9.19 .36 mg x 2. 1.10.19 .32 mg x 2. 26.11.19 .29 mg x2. 26.12.19 .26 mg x 2. 23.1.20 .23 mg x 2. 20.2.20 .21 mg x2.20.3.20 .19 mg x 2. 21.4.20 .17 mg x 2. 19.5.20 .13 mg x 2. 18.6.20 .11mg x 2 .18.7.20.10 mg x 2.1.9.20.09 mg x 2. 30.9. 20 .08 mg x 2. 1.11.20 .07 mg x 2. 2.12.20 .06 mg x 2. 8.1.21 .05 mg x 2. 4.2.21 .04 mg x 2. 9.3.21 .03 mgx2. 7.4.21 .02 mg x 2. 9.5.21 .01 mg x 2. 21.6.21 .01 mg x 1. 11.8.21 ZERO! Link to comment
dowdaller Posted December 21, 2016 Author Share Posted December 21, 2016 Does the anxiety programme involve having to take an AD? I know it is so hard to live with all these symptoms but I would be more scared about going back on anything now. I don't know what to think flowers I feel pretty bad anyway so I don't really know what to do, I have been struggling for 16 weeks without let up, so I dunno,he says I was more stable on them, my mood wasn't as low.I just have to keep going my kids need me, I have to find a way to survive. I am off all meds 16 months I had been on olanzapine, Effexor zanex and assorted sleeping meds for approx 2 years. Weaned off 375 mg effexor over two years, I had previously come off xanax, rivotrill and olazapine. Reinstated 75mg of effexor on the 22/12/16 Link to comment
Flowers Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 I know, I do understand. Did something trigger your ocd to get worse? If so, is it something you can see yourself sorting out with just therapy. It is a tough one. This time of year is very emotional. Can you put it on hold until after the New Year? Maybe it's worth asking the Moderators. I wish I could be more help. 15 yrs on 20 to 30 mgs CITALOPRAM. MAY 2014 Increased to 40 mgs per day.SEPT/NOV 2014 tapered in 6 weeks down to 10 mgs as per Dr instructions due to violent nightmares/palpitations.Given Noctamid (lormetazepam) to help with anxiety. On average took 2mg per day for 8 weeks.No taper was advised.DEC 2014 WD severe. Nervous tic in eyes and limbs, muscle pain,fluct temp, weakness, dep and anxiety, nausea, giddy, unstable when walking. Different Dr suggested taking 20mgs CIT. BROMAZEPAM 3mgs up to 3 x daily for anxiety.DEC 9 2014 Updose CIT to 30mgs. Only taking BROMAZEPAM in emergency.DEC 31 2014 Settling at 30mg CIT - helping with depression. No Brom for 2wks.Found SA.APR 2015 Trying to stabilise on 30mgs CIT. JAN 2016 Started Cit Taper reducing by 5% per month. 28.5 mgs FEB Taper held bereavement. APR Taper resumed 27mgs . MAY 25.50 mgs . JUNE 24 mgs . JULY I stupidly mixed up my BP meds with CIT. Consequently took no CIT for 3 days and doubled my BP meds. Waiting for the fallout....Holding for a while until any chance of repercussions have abated. SEPT taper resumed to 22.5 mgs . OCT 21 mgs .NOV 19.95 mgs DEC crashed. 2017: FEB 3rd updose to 20.5 mgs to try to stabilise.FEB.switched over to 75mgs of Venlafaxine XR for 3 weeks.Too stimulating so switching back to Cit. 12 March 37.5 Ven and 20 Cit. 21 March 18mg Ven 20mg Cit. 4 April 9mg Ven 20mg Cit. Xanax .50mg when needed. 13 April 0 mgs Ven, 20mg Citalopram. Xanax .50 mg per day. 5 May reinstated a small amount of Ven to stabilize 1 mg twice a day. 20 mg Citalopram at night. Xanax .25 mg twice per day.Other Meds: Losartan (BP)Started 1993 at 50 mgs at night. Seretide (Asthma) Started 1996 at 1 puff twice a day. Jan 2019 Antibiotic Ceclor 500mgs twice a day for bronchitis and Atrovent 2ml capsules twice a day for asthma. Finished the course of both Jan 17. XANAX Jan 27 - Feb 3 2019 Failed Valium Crossover. Feb 14 2019 Updosed Xanax by .0625 Feb 17 2019 Decreased Xanax by .0625. Back to .50mg daily. Update Xanax 28.2.20 tapered to .1250 mg 8am .25 mg midnight. Update Xanax 11.8.21 tapered to .25 mg at night. Current Meds 28.2.19: CITALOPRAM 20mg taken at midnight. VENLAFAXINE .9 mg twice a day at 8am and 10pm. XANAX .50 mg split into 4 doses per day. 10am .0625mg / 2pm .1250mg/ 6pm .0625mg / midnight .25mg.Update 10.8.22 .25 mg at night. LOSARTAN 50 mgs taken at midnight. SERETIDE 1 puff taken at 8am and 10pm. 7.7.19 VENLAFAXINE UPDATE: Started tapering 10% every 4 weeks. Currently .4 mg twice a day at 8am and 10 pm. 2.9.19 .36 mg x 2. 1.10.19 .32 mg x 2. 26.11.19 .29 mg x2. 26.12.19 .26 mg x 2. 23.1.20 .23 mg x 2. 20.2.20 .21 mg x2.20.3.20 .19 mg x 2. 21.4.20 .17 mg x 2. 19.5.20 .13 mg x 2. 18.6.20 .11mg x 2 .18.7.20.10 mg x 2.1.9.20.09 mg x 2. 30.9. 20 .08 mg x 2. 1.11.20 .07 mg x 2. 2.12.20 .06 mg x 2. 8.1.21 .05 mg x 2. 4.2.21 .04 mg x 2. 9.3.21 .03 mgx2. 7.4.21 .02 mg x 2. 9.5.21 .01 mg x 2. 21.6.21 .01 mg x 1. 11.8.21 ZERO! Link to comment
dowdaller Posted December 21, 2016 Author Share Posted December 21, 2016 No low mood makes it worse, it's always in the background I keep it in its box most of the time, yea I'm a hard place but hey flowers it could be worse I have been worse, I will keep regardless. I am off all meds 16 months I had been on olanzapine, Effexor zanex and assorted sleeping meds for approx 2 years. Weaned off 375 mg effexor over two years, I had previously come off xanax, rivotrill and olazapine. Reinstated 75mg of effexor on the 22/12/16 Link to comment
Flowers Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Take care D. 15 yrs on 20 to 30 mgs CITALOPRAM. MAY 2014 Increased to 40 mgs per day.SEPT/NOV 2014 tapered in 6 weeks down to 10 mgs as per Dr instructions due to violent nightmares/palpitations.Given Noctamid (lormetazepam) to help with anxiety. On average took 2mg per day for 8 weeks.No taper was advised.DEC 2014 WD severe. Nervous tic in eyes and limbs, muscle pain,fluct temp, weakness, dep and anxiety, nausea, giddy, unstable when walking. Different Dr suggested taking 20mgs CIT. BROMAZEPAM 3mgs up to 3 x daily for anxiety.DEC 9 2014 Updose CIT to 30mgs. Only taking BROMAZEPAM in emergency.DEC 31 2014 Settling at 30mg CIT - helping with depression. No Brom for 2wks.Found SA.APR 2015 Trying to stabilise on 30mgs CIT. JAN 2016 Started Cit Taper reducing by 5% per month. 28.5 mgs FEB Taper held bereavement. APR Taper resumed 27mgs . MAY 25.50 mgs . JUNE 24 mgs . JULY I stupidly mixed up my BP meds with CIT. Consequently took no CIT for 3 days and doubled my BP meds. Waiting for the fallout....Holding for a while until any chance of repercussions have abated. SEPT taper resumed to 22.5 mgs . OCT 21 mgs .NOV 19.95 mgs DEC crashed. 2017: FEB 3rd updose to 20.5 mgs to try to stabilise.FEB.switched over to 75mgs of Venlafaxine XR for 3 weeks.Too stimulating so switching back to Cit. 12 March 37.5 Ven and 20 Cit. 21 March 18mg Ven 20mg Cit. 4 April 9mg Ven 20mg Cit. Xanax .50mg when needed. 13 April 0 mgs Ven, 20mg Citalopram. Xanax .50 mg per day. 5 May reinstated a small amount of Ven to stabilize 1 mg twice a day. 20 mg Citalopram at night. Xanax .25 mg twice per day.Other Meds: Losartan (BP)Started 1993 at 50 mgs at night. Seretide (Asthma) Started 1996 at 1 puff twice a day. Jan 2019 Antibiotic Ceclor 500mgs twice a day for bronchitis and Atrovent 2ml capsules twice a day for asthma. Finished the course of both Jan 17. XANAX Jan 27 - Feb 3 2019 Failed Valium Crossover. Feb 14 2019 Updosed Xanax by .0625 Feb 17 2019 Decreased Xanax by .0625. Back to .50mg daily. Update Xanax 28.2.20 tapered to .1250 mg 8am .25 mg midnight. Update Xanax 11.8.21 tapered to .25 mg at night. Current Meds 28.2.19: CITALOPRAM 20mg taken at midnight. VENLAFAXINE .9 mg twice a day at 8am and 10pm. XANAX .50 mg split into 4 doses per day. 10am .0625mg / 2pm .1250mg/ 6pm .0625mg / midnight .25mg.Update 10.8.22 .25 mg at night. LOSARTAN 50 mgs taken at midnight. SERETIDE 1 puff taken at 8am and 10pm. 7.7.19 VENLAFAXINE UPDATE: Started tapering 10% every 4 weeks. Currently .4 mg twice a day at 8am and 10 pm. 2.9.19 .36 mg x 2. 1.10.19 .32 mg x 2. 26.11.19 .29 mg x2. 26.12.19 .26 mg x 2. 23.1.20 .23 mg x 2. 20.2.20 .21 mg x2.20.3.20 .19 mg x 2. 21.4.20 .17 mg x 2. 19.5.20 .13 mg x 2. 18.6.20 .11mg x 2 .18.7.20.10 mg x 2.1.9.20.09 mg x 2. 30.9. 20 .08 mg x 2. 1.11.20 .07 mg x 2. 2.12.20 .06 mg x 2. 8.1.21 .05 mg x 2. 4.2.21 .04 mg x 2. 9.3.21 .03 mgx2. 7.4.21 .02 mg x 2. 9.5.21 .01 mg x 2. 21.6.21 .01 mg x 1. 11.8.21 ZERO! Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted December 22, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 22, 2016 So I went to my doc he wants me to reinstate at 150 I said no way he said 75, I dunno what to do, my head is all over the place what am I gonna do. Hi, dowdaller. How far off are you on your drugs? Sorry, I'm having trouble understanding this in your signature. Do you have a jump off date for your drugs? I believe you're at least a year off, and reinstatements are a hit or a miss the farther out you are. Also, once your CNS is destabilized, you may be a lot more sensitive to these drugs, so even 75 mg is likely to be way too high a dose. I'm hoping you're able to handle this with your non-drug coping skills. I've really admired how you've managed to come off a really difficult drug cocktail, and still keep on with work and raising your family. I hope you come out of this wave soon and get some relief. You really are doing amazingly well considering what your mind and body were subjected to. Please keep us updated. Link to comment
peng Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Yes, dowdaller, I sympathise greatly. I kept thinking about my kids and how I had to keep going for them, over the period 1978 until 2001 when I retired about 3 years early (at 57). I went to work on many days - endlessly it seemed - feeling like the proverbial "death warmed up". Do you find, often, though, that once you get to work and have to carry out stuff, and chat with colleagues, that the very low morning mood lifts a bit? I did, but it never got to the stage of me feeling recovered. Medication changed over that period, too. There is always the chance that something revolutionary will come up in the next few years. Sometimes you see in the media radical new procedures that were absent in my time. All that came up in my time were the damned SSRI & SNRI heralded by devilish trumpet fanfare Maybe stuff to do with genes and microsurgery/implants in the brain? Anyway, I made it to here. Not far, I guess, but still here and hoping for better and seeing my grown up family and a delightful grandchild. Any decisions about yes or no to taking any therapy/medication will have to be your own, as we know, and as SA regularly reminds us. Hope my message helps a little, at least. More best wishes to you! Born 1945. 1999 - First Effexor/Venlafaxine. 2016 Withdrawal research. Effexor. 13Jul - 212.5mg; 6Aug - 200.0mg; 24Aug - 187.5mg; 13Sep - 175.0mg; 3Oct - 162.5mg; 26Oct - 150mg 2017 9Jan - 150.00mg; 23Mar - 137.50mg; 24Apr - 125.00mg; 31May - 112.50mg holding; 3Sep - 100.00mg; 20Sep - 93.75mg; 20Oct - 87.5mg; 12Nov - 81.25mg; 13 Dec - 75.00mg 2018 18Jan - 69.1mg; 16Feb - 62.5mg; 16March - 57.5mg (-8%); 22Apr - 56.3mg(-2%); CRASHED - Updose 29May - 62.5mg; Updose - 1Jul - 75.0mg. Updose - 2Aug - 87.5mg. Updose - 27Aug - 100.0mg. Updose - 11Oct 112.5mg. Updose - 6Nov 125.00mg. 2019 Updoses 19 Jan - 150.0mg. 1April - 162.5mg. 24 April - Feeling better - doing tasks, getting outside. 7 May - usual depression questionnaire gives "probably no depression" result. Supps/Vits Omega 3; Chelated Magnesium; Prebiotics/Probiotics, Vit D3. Link to comment
AliG Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Hi D. I hope you don't mind me saying that after all this time off - (14 months ?) this sounds a little extreme and at a very high starting dose, if that's the route you have decided to go. You do realize it's a risk at this point . No one can say how your CNS is going to react after this period of time. If you are going to reinstate it might be better to start off at a much lower dose - perhaps 1-5 mg. Let us know your thoughts and perhaps we can advise a starting dose. Many SSRI's and SSNRI's over 20 years. Zoloft for 7 years followed by Effexor, Lexapro, Prozac, Cymbalta, Celexa, Pristiq, Valdoxan, Mianserin and more - on and off. No tapering. Cold turkey off Valdoxan - end of May 2014 Psych Drug - free since May 2014 . Link to comment
dowdaller Posted December 25, 2016 Author Share Posted December 25, 2016 I'm 4 days in at 75 mg I am sick and struggling not as depressed but Ocd has ramped up, I know it will take a while to stabilise. I am off all meds 16 months I had been on olanzapine, Effexor zanex and assorted sleeping meds for approx 2 years. Weaned off 375 mg effexor over two years, I had previously come off xanax, rivotrill and olazapine. Reinstated 75mg of effexor on the 22/12/16 Link to comment
peng Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I am no Dr, but I would have done same as you, dowdaller - back in at 75mg and see how it goes. Best wishes! Born 1945. 1999 - First Effexor/Venlafaxine. 2016 Withdrawal research. Effexor. 13Jul - 212.5mg; 6Aug - 200.0mg; 24Aug - 187.5mg; 13Sep - 175.0mg; 3Oct - 162.5mg; 26Oct - 150mg 2017 9Jan - 150.00mg; 23Mar - 137.50mg; 24Apr - 125.00mg; 31May - 112.50mg holding; 3Sep - 100.00mg; 20Sep - 93.75mg; 20Oct - 87.5mg; 12Nov - 81.25mg; 13 Dec - 75.00mg 2018 18Jan - 69.1mg; 16Feb - 62.5mg; 16March - 57.5mg (-8%); 22Apr - 56.3mg(-2%); CRASHED - Updose 29May - 62.5mg; Updose - 1Jul - 75.0mg. Updose - 2Aug - 87.5mg. Updose - 27Aug - 100.0mg. Updose - 11Oct 112.5mg. Updose - 6Nov 125.00mg. 2019 Updoses 19 Jan - 150.0mg. 1April - 162.5mg. 24 April - Feeling better - doing tasks, getting outside. 7 May - usual depression questionnaire gives "probably no depression" result. Supps/Vits Omega 3; Chelated Magnesium; Prebiotics/Probiotics, Vit D3. Link to comment
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