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Nelly, so sorry to read this post and how you are feeling.  Honestly reading it I felt that you were fairly lonely.  The withdrawal can make us unusually sad too, I know it did me. It can exaggerate any problems we had before withdrawal too.  I understand what you mean about wanting to do more and be involved but not being able to. I'm the same way.  I think reading this to me it sounds like it would be easier if you had people with you more often, though how to do that when withdrawal is so hard to handle I don't know. 

 

I wish you lived near me maybe we could have "quiet days out" with no major demand to interact a lot, like some kind of meet-up where we might do things like knit or watch a movie...I don't know if there is a group near you for withdrawal?  Might be an option to look at.  I value your honesty and it pains me that you feel so sad. I resonate with the feeling of struggling to have a happy life too.  Sometimes I can accept where my life is, and then I feel a little better but a lot of the time it just feels like an uphill battle and like I'm not getting enough done. And it's very lonely too. I think you are a lovely person and that you deserve a lot in life too.  And am not just saying that to try to make you feel better.

 

With care,

 

US

 

 

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On 6/11/2020 at 8:16 AM, UnfoldingSky said:

Nelly, so sorry to read this post and how you are feeling.  Honestly reading it I felt that you were fairly lonely.  The withdrawal can make us unusually sad too, I know it did me. It can exaggerate any problems we had before withdrawal too.  I understand what you mean about wanting to do more and be involved but not being able to. I'm the same way.  I think reading this to me it sounds like it would be easier if you had people with you more often, though how to do that when withdrawal is so hard to handle I don't know. 

 

I wish you lived near me maybe we could have "quiet days out" with no major demand to interact a lot, like some kind of meet-up where we might do things like knit or watch a movie...I don't know if there is a group near you for withdrawal?  Might be an option to look at.  I value your honesty and it pains me that you feel so sad. I resonate with the feeling of struggling to have a happy life too.  Sometimes I can accept where my life is, and then I feel a little better but a lot of the time it just feels like an uphill battle and like I'm not getting enough done. And it's very lonely too. I think you are a lovely person and that you deserve a lot in life too.  And am not just saying that to try to make you feel better.

 

With care,

 

US

 

 

Aw thank you for your lovely reply, you sound like you genuinely care and that means a lot, as I am sure you know. I keep on, on the same dose, and accept that this is where I am right now, without thinking of my next taper. 

Are you in the UK? You know when your brain is so tired, when even reading up on things is also too much at times....

I hope you are doing ok. 

There was a local group which I found details of with the help of this forum, but I don’t think it is still running. When I feel up to it, I will take another look for something local. For the first time in my life I have nice friends. Friends who don’t place demands on me and who are understanding, which means a lot to me. This has come about, since I moved to a new area, and was able to choose my friends and they chose me, which I see as a compliment, because they really are good people. But yes, still lonely. But accepting of it. This is how it is.

I haven’t visited this forum for a while and was very please to read your message. There is a FB group which is ok, but no always kind with their responses. 

I am going to try CBD oil again. I think I stopped because I was feeling ok, but realise that it was exactly that that may have been contributing to me feeling ok.

How are you doing? I hope you have some happiness. You sound lovely 😊 x

1984 to present date various ADs.1995-present Thyroxine 100 mcg. 19 Feb 2019 stopped Venlafaxine 150mg cold turkey. 06 March 2019 restarted Ven 125mg. 04 April 2019 9 beads. 02 May 2019 8 beads 01July 2019 7 beads.18 Aug 2019 6 beads. 24 Sept 2019 5.50 beads. 11 October 2019 5 beads 62.50 mg 5th May 2020 Reinstated Ven 125 mg XR 9 pills 9th Nov 2020 Update Started splitting dose 5th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 10.15am 7th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 11.15am 8th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 12.15pm 9th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 1.15pm 10th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills @ 10.15am and holding.

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On 7/7/2020 at 5:53 PM, Nelly said:

Aw thank you for your lovely reply, you sound like you genuinely care and that means a lot, as I am sure you know. I keep on, on the same dose, and accept that this is where I am right now, without thinking of my next taper. 

Are you in the UK? You know when your brain is so tired, when even reading up on things is also too much at times....

I hope you are doing ok. 

There was a local group which I found details of with the help of this forum, but I don’t think it is still running. When I feel up to it, I will take another look for something local. For the first time in my life I have nice friends. Friends who don’t place demands on me and who are understanding, which means a lot to me. This has come about, since I moved to a new area, and was able to choose my friends and they chose me, which I see as a compliment, because they really are good people. But yes, still lonely. But accepting of it. This is how it is.

I haven’t visited this forum for a while and was very please to read your message. There is a FB group which is ok, but no always kind with their responses. 

I am going to try CBD oil again. I think I stopped because I was feeling ok, but realise that it was exactly that that may have been contributing to me feeling ok.

How are you doing? I hope you have some happiness. You sound lovely 😊 x

 

Hi Nelly, always good to see you here. :)

 

I am not in the UK, unfortunately. I wish I were to be honest (well if it were not for the pandemic).  I have visited England before and I adored it there.  And I want to travel to other parts of the UK but of course because of the pandemic that isn't really doable at the moment.  I am in Canada.

 

I'm so glad you have nice friends now.   I related a lot to your earlier post about having to deal with a lot of drama and not enough love.  That feels like my life, though some of the drama abaited there always seems to be more coming down the road. 

 

As for how I'm doing I am not doing that great right now, there are a lot of problems in my life.  Since the pandemic started a number of people I knew have died, and now my family keeps running into problems.  One of the people who died was one of the men I mentioned a while back who wanted to date me.  The last thing he had said to me was to call him next time I was in town then the pandemic hit and he wound up in hospital (not for covid).  I knew he had health issues so it's not a total surprise that he passed on but it just feels like everything was left so up in the air and I didn't have a chance to say goodbye.

 

Also how does the CBD oil help if you don't mind me asking?  I can't recall if I asked before or not, forgive my poor memory I haven't been sleeping well lately.  I have a kind of constant feeling of low level anxiety, and while I know a lot of it is coming from current problems, I do wonder if there is some way to minimize it that I haven't tried.

 

Let me know how you are keeping,

 

US

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Hello

My initial prescription was for 150mg of venlafaxine XR. 

 

After an unsuccessful taper down to 6 mini tablets (75mg) , which was a monthly taper of  10%, (too big a taper I realise now, particularly when I approached the smaller doses), and after cutting a pill for the last two tapers (which I now know I shouldn’t have done), I increased back to 9 mini tablets (112.50mg) on 5th May 2020. I have remained on this dose since. Since this date I haven’t felt well; particularly with daily ringing in my head and quite horrible debilitating headaches. By the evening I can’t focus and my head continues to feel like it is full of bricks,  with no room for anymore. 

 

I continue to take quality magnesium glycerinate and omega 3 oil. Try to follow a healthy diet, avoid alcohol and walk daily. I do other self care things to comfort myself. I am not anxious or depressed. 

 

I cant seem to get rid of these symptoms. I try to avoid take no pain killers because I worry they they may not interact well with the venlafaxine. 

 

I have some questions that I hope someone may be able to help me with some answers.

Is it safe to take painkillers and for them not to add more WD symptoms to the process?

i am considering the following options in the hope that one will help ease my symptoms

 

1. Bridge to Prozac. I have taken Prozac years ago and had side effects being IBS and tiredness, but I have made many life style changes since then, and would like to give it a go. My understanding is that 150mg of venlafaxine is equalevent to 10mg of Prozac. I recall being on 20mg of Prozac in the past. 

 

2. Stay on my current dose of venlafaxine but crush and split the dose 12 hours apart. My thoughts behind this are that the XL is not lasting long enough and I am going through WD before my next dose is due, resulting in the head aches and ringing.

 

Having said that, having been on AD’s for most of my adult life (approx 38 years) I am thinking that the symptoms that I am suffering may be with me for the rest of my life and as a result of long term use. 

 

I can now accept that I may have to stay on my current dose or equalevant for a long time, but want to be able to ease the headaches, heavy head and ringing and tightness in my head, and so I am wondering if one of the options I mention would be worth trying.

 

thank you for reading. I haven’t been here for a while  as it can get too much for me. 

I need to update my signature, but have notes everywhere about my tapers that I don’t know what’s what soetimes. 

 

Finally, I do believe I will suffer with dementia in my older years. I sometimes feel like I am in the early stages of it now. Foggy head, poor memory, lack of ability to focus, but I have made lifestyle changes to help ensure I manage the symptoms as much as I possibly can. X

 

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1984 to present date various ADs.1995-present Thyroxine 100 mcg. 19 Feb 2019 stopped Venlafaxine 150mg cold turkey. 06 March 2019 restarted Ven 125mg. 04 April 2019 9 beads. 02 May 2019 8 beads 01July 2019 7 beads.18 Aug 2019 6 beads. 24 Sept 2019 5.50 beads. 11 October 2019 5 beads 62.50 mg 5th May 2020 Reinstated Ven 125 mg XR 9 pills 9th Nov 2020 Update Started splitting dose 5th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 10.15am 7th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 11.15am 8th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 12.15pm 9th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 1.15pm 10th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills @ 10.15am and holding.

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52 minutes ago, Nelly said:

I try to avoid take no pain killers because I worry they they may not interact well with the venlafaxine. 

 

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If you are concerned, instead of taking the suggested dose on the package (which for ibuprofen and paracetomel is usually 2 tablets) you could try taking 1 or if the tablets can be halved, take half a tablet.  This would just be to test to see how you respond.  If you find that you don't feel any worse then you could increase the dose.

 

52 minutes ago, Nelly said:

2. Stay on my current dose of venlafaxine but crush and split the dose 12 hours apart. My thoughts behind this are that the XL is not lasting long enough and I am going through WD before my next dose is due, resulting in the head aches and ringing.

 

This is a possibility.  And something that could easily be proven/disproven.  And if it was me I would be trying this before switching to Prozac.  Venlafaxine is an SNRI, Prozac is an SSRI so you might end up getting withdrawal symptoms from the venlafaxine.

 

You would not have to crush the dose.  You are taking 9 mini tabs (112.50mg).  You could take 5 in the morning and then take the other 4 later in the day.  To move your dose it is better to do this gradually by taking the 2nd dose 1 hour later each day.  You might find that taking the 2nd dose 3 or 4 hours later is enough to eliminate interdose withdrawal (if that is happening).  If taking it part way through the day is not convenient, then continue moving it 1 hour each day but be aware of your sleep.  ADs can be activating and you don't want the 2nd dose to affect your sleep.  If this did happen you step back 1 hour.

 

You will need to keep notes on paper of your symptoms so that you can see how moving the dose affects your symptoms.

 

This is a suggested format.  You don't need to post them here unless you want to.  However if you move your dose and things change for the worse we would need to see the notes to assess the situation.

 

Keep Notes on Paper

 

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Finally, I do believe I will suffer with dementia in my older years. I sometimes feel like I am in the early stages of it now. Foggy head, poor memory, lack of ability to focus

 

This is very common.  Many members post about this.  brain-fog-blank-mind-comprehension-concentration-cognitive-and-memory-problems

 

I will tell you what happened to me, which might help you to understand what affect these drugs have on our brain:

 

Note:  This happened 5 years ago.  I am now 63.

 

I reduced my Pristiq from 100mg to 50mg and for 2 weeks I experienced severe cog fog, and even walking took my whole concentration.  I joined SA but didn't updose as suggested because I was trying, through the brain fog, to learn about what was happening.  A couple of days after joining I got to the stage that I was unable to type.  Having been a typist for 40+ years I knew that something was really wrong.  I was very thankful for SA's suggestion.  I went and took extra Pristiq.  Astoundingly after only about 4 hours (not days) I was able to type again and the brain fog was lifting.  Because I had a benchmark I knew that it was because of the drug.

 

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Current from 9 Jan 2021:  Pristiq 0.405 mg

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

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Thank you so very much for your guidance, this is a great help. 

Re the “following”, do you mean for example if I take 5 at 9am, I should take 4 at 10am and then gradually one hour later every day and see if my symptoms ease? But avoid taking too late in the day. I am going to try this first. Thank you, I just needed someone who knows what it’s like, to guide me, and you have done this. 


 

 

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1984 to present date various ADs.1995-present Thyroxine 100 mcg. 19 Feb 2019 stopped Venlafaxine 150mg cold turkey. 06 March 2019 restarted Ven 125mg. 04 April 2019 9 beads. 02 May 2019 8 beads 01July 2019 7 beads.18 Aug 2019 6 beads. 24 Sept 2019 5.50 beads. 11 October 2019 5 beads 62.50 mg 5th May 2020 Reinstated Ven 125 mg XR 9 pills 9th Nov 2020 Update Started splitting dose 5th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 10.15am 7th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 11.15am 8th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 12.15pm 9th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 1.15pm 10th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills @ 10.15am and holding.

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Yes you understood it correctly.

 

It's best if you can preserve your sleep because once you start sleeping badly it can make you feel so much worse.  It can also make it hard to tell what is withdrawal and what is caused by lack of sleep.  And it might take some time for things to stabilise if/once this happens.

 

The idea is to spread the doses apart to try to improve symptoms (assuming that they are being caused by interdose withdrawal) but not cause sleep issues.  If you start to feel improvement you could stay on that dose schedule for 1 week and see how things go.  They might continue to improve.  Also if you start to feel improvement but still want to continue separating the dose times you could change to moving by 1/2 hour each day.

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REMINDER TO SELF:  I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

Current from 9 Jan 2021:  Pristiq 0.405 mg

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

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Hi ChessieCat 

I appeared to be experiencing severe inter dose withdrawal symptoms. I was taking the full dose of 9 mini pills at 9.15 am. I started splitting my dose on 5th Nov; taking 5 mini pills at 9.15am then 4 mini pills one hour later each day: tomorrow I will take 4 mini pills at 1.15pm. I can’t believe the improvement. My headaches have eased, I have more motivation, I just feel so much better, and my sleep has not been affected in a negative way, as a result of the change. My symptoms are minimal now. 

I am so thankful for your guidance, I just didn’t know what to do, and couldn’t have continued struggling the way I was for much longer.

I wonder at what time of day I should hold with the 4 mini pills?

thank you 🌺

1984 to present date various ADs.1995-present Thyroxine 100 mcg. 19 Feb 2019 stopped Venlafaxine 150mg cold turkey. 06 March 2019 restarted Ven 125mg. 04 April 2019 9 beads. 02 May 2019 8 beads 01July 2019 7 beads.18 Aug 2019 6 beads. 24 Sept 2019 5.50 beads. 11 October 2019 5 beads 62.50 mg 5th May 2020 Reinstated Ven 125 mg XR 9 pills 9th Nov 2020 Update Started splitting dose 5th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 10.15am 7th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 11.15am 8th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 12.15pm 9th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 1.15pm 10th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills @ 10.15am and holding.

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That's fantastic news.  I am really pleased that it is helping.  And it's good that your sleep hasn't been disturbed.  Thank you for updating us about it.

 

7 hours ago, Nelly said:

I wonder at what time of day I should hold with the 4 mini pills?

 

When is the most suitable time for you to take the 2nd dose?  If it was me I'd been keeping it as close as possible to the time you are now taking it.  Why rock the boat?  But it is also important for you to make it a time that you can take it consistently.  You don't want to be missing a dose because of inconvenience.

 

Please continue to let us know how you are doing.

NEW!!!     INTERVIEW with Altostrata, SA's founder    NEW!!! 

 

REMINDER TO SELF:  I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

Current from 9 Jan 2021:  Pristiq 0.405 mg

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

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Please update your drug signature too.  Thanks.

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REMINDER TO SELF:  I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

Current from 9 Jan 2021:  Pristiq 0.405 mg

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

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13 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

That's fantastic news.  I am really pleased that it is helping.  And it's good that your sleep hasn't been disturbed.  Thank you for updating us about it.

 

 

When is the most suitable time for you to take the 2nd dose?  If it was me I'd been keeping it as close as possible to the time you are now taking it.  Why rock the boat?  But it is also important for you to make it a time that you can take it consistently.  You don't want to be missing a dose because of inconvenience.

 

Please continue to let us know how you are doing.

Thank you

Today I took it at 1.15pm, but I have experienced a slight head ache and ringing in my head and neck ache. It did make a difference just one hour later @ 10.15 am. Shall I take it then please? This won’t be too inconvenient for me to do. Thank you x

1984 to present date various ADs.1995-present Thyroxine 100 mcg. 19 Feb 2019 stopped Venlafaxine 150mg cold turkey. 06 March 2019 restarted Ven 125mg. 04 April 2019 9 beads. 02 May 2019 8 beads 01July 2019 7 beads.18 Aug 2019 6 beads. 24 Sept 2019 5.50 beads. 11 October 2019 5 beads 62.50 mg 5th May 2020 Reinstated Ven 125 mg XR 9 pills 9th Nov 2020 Update Started splitting dose 5th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 10.15am 7th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 11.15am 8th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 12.15pm 9th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 1.15pm 10th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills @ 10.15am and holding.

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Could it be due to something else?  Could you have slept in a different position?

 

If you are going to go backwards you need to do it in reverse.

 

Is it possible to take the 1st dose 1 hour (or 2 hours) earlier in the morning?  If yes, move the second dose back first and then move the 1st dose back.

 

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Current from 9 Jan 2021:  Pristiq 0.405 mg

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

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10 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

Could it be due to something else?  Could you have slept in a different position?

 

If you are going to go backwards you need to do it in reverse.

 

Is it possible to take the 1st dose 1 hour (or 2 hours) earlier in the morning?  If yes, move the second dose back first and then move the 1st dose back.

 

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No It fells like WD symptoms. 
It would be difficult for me to take the first dose earlier in the morning, as I am not an early riser and take my thyroxine are 8.30am.

This morning I took the second dose at 10.15am,  one hour after the first dose. I think I have messed up 😞X

1984 to present date various ADs.1995-present Thyroxine 100 mcg. 19 Feb 2019 stopped Venlafaxine 150mg cold turkey. 06 March 2019 restarted Ven 125mg. 04 April 2019 9 beads. 02 May 2019 8 beads 01July 2019 7 beads.18 Aug 2019 6 beads. 24 Sept 2019 5.50 beads. 11 October 2019 5 beads 62.50 mg 5th May 2020 Reinstated Ven 125 mg XR 9 pills 9th Nov 2020 Update Started splitting dose 5th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 10.15am 7th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 11.15am 8th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 12.15pm 9th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 1.15pm 10th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills @ 10.15am and holding.

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On 11/10/2020 at 4:42 AM, Nelly said:

Today I took it at 1.15pm,

 

5 minutes ago, Nelly said:

This morning I took the second dose at 10.15am

 

10 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

If you are going to go backwards you need to do it in reverse.

 

You've gone from taking it at 1.15m and brought it forward 3 hours.

 

Doing it in reverse means taking it 1 hour earlier each day.

 

7 minutes ago, Nelly said:

I think I have messed up

 

Now that it's at 10.15am I think it might be better to just keep taking it at that time.

 

Did you notice a difference when you first moved your dose to 10.15am.  Hopefully that will still help with the interdose withdrawal.  If it doesn't we might have to think of something else to help.  In preparation for this possibility, what is the earliest afternoon time that you would be able to take a dose.  I'm thinking that if the hour isn't enough, you might be able to take a tiny part of your dose later in the day, with the idea that it will give you a bit more drug but hopefully wouldn't affect your sleep.  Sleep preservation is very important.  The other option would be finding another time between 10.15 and 1.15 when you can take the 2nd dose.

 

BUT for now leave everything alone and let your brain get used to the new dosing times.  Keep some notes and we can reassess in a couple of weeks.

 

So your schedule is 8.30 thyroxine, 9.15/9.30 dose #1, 10.15 dose #2.

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ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

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Thank you
I felt immediate relief when I initially moved the second dose to 10.15am 

i will leave it as it is, as you suggest, at 10.15am and hopefully things will improve Thank you x

 

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1984 to present date various ADs.1995-present Thyroxine 100 mcg. 19 Feb 2019 stopped Venlafaxine 150mg cold turkey. 06 March 2019 restarted Ven 125mg. 04 April 2019 9 beads. 02 May 2019 8 beads 01July 2019 7 beads.18 Aug 2019 6 beads. 24 Sept 2019 5.50 beads. 11 October 2019 5 beads 62.50 mg 5th May 2020 Reinstated Ven 125 mg XR 9 pills 9th Nov 2020 Update Started splitting dose 5th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 10.15am 7th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 11.15am 8th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 12.15pm 9th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 1.15pm 10th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills @ 10.15am and holding.

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10 minutes ago, Nelly said:

I felt immediate relief when I initially moved the second dose to 10.15am 

 

It could be that the drug wasn't quite covering the full 24 hour period.  Hopefully this will continue.

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ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

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Hello

My symptoms are horrible; brain fog, head ache, ringing in head. Is there any other suggestion on how I can ease this please? I know I messed up, by not holding as soon as my symptoms eased, I don’t know what I was thinking, or hoping for.

I have continued to take 5 pills at 9.15am and 4 at 10.15am. Are you able to suggest anything else’s please?  If I am to take a pill at an alternative time, I could do this at any time. I set reminders on my phone. 

Thank you so much x

1984 to present date various ADs.1995-present Thyroxine 100 mcg. 19 Feb 2019 stopped Venlafaxine 150mg cold turkey. 06 March 2019 restarted Ven 125mg. 04 April 2019 9 beads. 02 May 2019 8 beads 01July 2019 7 beads.18 Aug 2019 6 beads. 24 Sept 2019 5.50 beads. 11 October 2019 5 beads 62.50 mg 5th May 2020 Reinstated Ven 125 mg XR 9 pills 9th Nov 2020 Update Started splitting dose 5th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 10.15am 7th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 11.15am 8th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 12.15pm 9th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 1.15pm 10th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills @ 10.15am and holding.

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I am also struggling emotionally at the moment, it is all taking its toll on me. I confided in someone that I git close to about trying to come off antidepressants, and whilst talking he referred to “my state of mind” and as I see it been judgmental of me. This has hit a nerve with me . I am starting to think that the medication has made me who I am and that it is not really me, if that makes sense. Of course these feelings will pass, bu oh my goodness, what a sentence we have been handed 😔 

1984 to present date various ADs.1995-present Thyroxine 100 mcg. 19 Feb 2019 stopped Venlafaxine 150mg cold turkey. 06 March 2019 restarted Ven 125mg. 04 April 2019 9 beads. 02 May 2019 8 beads 01July 2019 7 beads.18 Aug 2019 6 beads. 24 Sept 2019 5.50 beads. 11 October 2019 5 beads 62.50 mg 5th May 2020 Reinstated Ven 125 mg XR 9 pills 9th Nov 2020 Update Started splitting dose 5th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 10.15am 7th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 11.15am 8th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 12.15pm 9th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 1.15pm 10th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills @ 10.15am and holding.

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Q:  Is there anything else that happened (extra stress, physical exertion) or that you consumed (lots of caffeine, coffee, cola, energy drink, alcohol, MSG which is a neurotoxin) at around the same time that might have caused the worsening of symptoms?  Or anything you usually take or do (relaxation) that you stopped doing?

 

I can't remember if I've mentioned this before (lots of members I'm posting to).

 

I'm not sure of your age, but symptoms can worsen at particular times of your menstrual cycle.  If you are a bit older it might be related to menopausal symptoms.  It's important to try to look at everything that might have an effect and not just assume that because you have made a change related to your drug that it is definitely that.

 

I think at this time it would be better to continue taking your dose at the current times.  Hopefully things might improve over the next few days.  I suggest you keep notes on paper for yourself because it helps us to be more objective.  When we feel awful we don't always notice small improvements.

 

The fact that you felt improvement when you moved the dose forward seems to indicate that we were on the right track.

 

Please keep posting about how you are.  We can reassess mid-week which will be 1 week after going back to 10.15am I think.

NEW!!!     INTERVIEW with Altostrata, SA's founder    NEW!!! 

 

REMINDER TO SELF:  I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

Current from 9 Jan 2021:  Pristiq 0.405 mg

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

My tapering program   My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)  My website

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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Hi 

No, I have maintained my usual healthy diet, no alcohol, exercising, no menstrual cycle ( I am 56). Possibly menopausal. 

 I have kept notes on how I have felt since I switched back to 10.15am with 5 pills on 10th Nov. Reading back on my notes, initially I wasn’t too bad. 

I took cider vinegar diluted with honey on 11th & 12th Nov, thinking it would help with head ache. I also placed a cold pack on my forehead. On 12th & 13th Nov I had minimal symptoms. 

On refection, someone I have got close to recently; I may have felt some emotional disturbance, and pressure to “be ok” , it could be this. As it’s today that I met him and I have had a wobble. I made the decision that he wasn’t right for me even as a friend. 

 

Thank you for helping me realise that other factors may be contributing to how I have felt. 

I will do as you suggest. I am going to persevere.  I feel understood and hopeful from having your guidance, it really does help. X

 

1984 to present date various ADs.1995-present Thyroxine 100 mcg. 19 Feb 2019 stopped Venlafaxine 150mg cold turkey. 06 March 2019 restarted Ven 125mg. 04 April 2019 9 beads. 02 May 2019 8 beads 01July 2019 7 beads.18 Aug 2019 6 beads. 24 Sept 2019 5.50 beads. 11 October 2019 5 beads 62.50 mg 5th May 2020 Reinstated Ven 125 mg XR 9 pills 9th Nov 2020 Update Started splitting dose 5th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 10.15am 7th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 11.15am 8th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 12.15pm 9th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 1.15pm 10th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills @ 10.15am and holding.

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You're very welcome.  Please try to be patient.  Here's a reminder about non drug coping techniques.  See the links in this post:

 

 

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NEW!!!     INTERVIEW with Altostrata, SA's founder    NEW!!! 

 

REMINDER TO SELF:  I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

Current from 9 Jan 2021:  Pristiq 0.405 mg

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

My tapering program   My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)  My website

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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Hello

i wanted to let you know that today I have started to feel better. My headache has eased considerably. Still not where I would like to be but much better.  I have kept notes and have made no further changes. I will stay where I am now; 5 pills @ 9.15am & 4 pills @ 10.15am. 

I did half hour yoga last night and will do the same tonight. I have booked myself in for a massage on Saturday. 

Thank you for being there for me, I really do value your guidance x

1984 to present date various ADs.1995-present Thyroxine 100 mcg. 19 Feb 2019 stopped Venlafaxine 150mg cold turkey. 06 March 2019 restarted Ven 125mg. 04 April 2019 9 beads. 02 May 2019 8 beads 01July 2019 7 beads.18 Aug 2019 6 beads. 24 Sept 2019 5.50 beads. 11 October 2019 5 beads 62.50 mg 5th May 2020 Reinstated Ven 125 mg XR 9 pills 9th Nov 2020 Update Started splitting dose 5th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 10.15am 7th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 11.15am 8th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 12.15pm 9th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 1.15pm 10th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills @ 10.15am and holding.

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13 minutes ago, Nelly said:

I have started to feel better.

 

That's good news.  Thank you for letting us know.

 

13 minutes ago, Nelly said:

I have booked myself in for a massage on Saturday. 

 

I suggest that you advise them that you do not want any massage techniques for detox or that is stimulating.

NEW!!!     INTERVIEW with Altostrata, SA's founder    NEW!!! 

 

REMINDER TO SELF:  I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

Current from 9 Jan 2021:  Pristiq 0.405 mg

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

My tapering program   My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)  My website

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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Thank you

i hope you are doing ok x

1984 to present date various ADs.1995-present Thyroxine 100 mcg. 19 Feb 2019 stopped Venlafaxine 150mg cold turkey. 06 March 2019 restarted Ven 125mg. 04 April 2019 9 beads. 02 May 2019 8 beads 01July 2019 7 beads.18 Aug 2019 6 beads. 24 Sept 2019 5.50 beads. 11 October 2019 5 beads 62.50 mg 5th May 2020 Reinstated Ven 125 mg XR 9 pills 9th Nov 2020 Update Started splitting dose 5th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 10.15am 7th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 11.15am 8th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 12.15pm 9th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills 1.15pm 10th Nov 5 pills 9.15am & 4 pills @ 10.15am and holding.

Omega 3 EPA 955 mg & DHA 825 mg & Mag Glyc 250mg

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