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Hello all, I'm new to this forum but not to psychiatric meds. Recently I tapered off of benzodiazepines and I've been free for 9 weeks. During that time I've also been taking Remeron to help me sleep and to sort of cushion the benzo withdrawals. I've been taking 15mg since January and has seemed to help to a certain extent, but I want off of it as well. The sleep it engenders is reliable enough, but hardly rewarding, and it's my ultimate goal to be off all drugs.

 

In mid-May I started having terrible dreams and nightmares, which isn't anything new given my history with benzos, but these seemed more a result of the mirtazapine. One night I woke up hallucinating and decided I really needed to get off asap. I even saw a shrink the following week but he told me he couldn't help me unless I was on an AD. He prescribed me another AD but I threw away the script and didn't go back.

 

Since then I've cut my dose down to 3.7mg and I've experienced an assortment of withdrawals including heightened anxiety, depression, insomnia, dp/dr, and flu-like symptoms. Today is the first day I've felt better in over a week.

 

I know I need to head down the rest of the way slowly. This isn't a problem because I have plenty of refills. I can do the 10% every few weeks if necessary, but the question I have for everyone is, at what dose can I jump? When I tapered off of Valium, I jumped at .6mg but I had the Remeron to absorb the blow. Now I'd be tapering down and jumping without a net and I want to do it right so once I'm done, I'm done for good.

 

 

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Welcome blandthrax,

Sounds like you got stuff sorted.

Ultimately i guess one should go as low as possible. I think this may be even more critical if one has had long term use of psychotropics.

I think moderator Brasmonkey is now on 0.62 mg pill weight.

While waiting for others to comment you might like to put up your drug signature. This can help the moderators.

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We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

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Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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I tapered mirt for about a year and a half and seemed to have no wd symptoms at all. I jumped at about 1.5 mg/day and then the wd began. See signature. I wish I'd continued tapering on the 10% rule till I'd gotten down near zero. Don't assume that doing OK when on a very small dose means you'll also do OK on none at all. 

 

My example may not apply at all; I was on it for about 15 years and was sometimes on 30 mg, though only briefly.

 

By the way, I was originally given mirt for sleep, same as you. In about a year sleep became difficult again. So what did my shrink do? Added lorazepam to the cocktail. I still haven't gotten off that.

 

I doubt your taper will be a difficult or painful one, but if it seems to be going well, don't get overconfident the way I did. Good luck.

Diagnosed w/ ADD and minor depression in 1990. Fluoxetine 20 mg/day. Also methylphenidate, but hated it and quit after about a week. Quit fluoxetine cold turkey (ignorance) 18 January 2013. Experienced brain zaps, flu symptoms, heart palpitations. Nothing after August 2013. Mirtazapine 15 mg/day for sleep beginning around 1999. Began tapering August 2013.  As of March 2015 I'm off mirtazapine and antidepressant free. Don't sleep well after sunrise, feel anxious and sad some of the time, still have tinnitus. Still occasionally take lorazepam for anxiety but never more than 1 mg.  Prescribed metoprolol (beta blocker) for atrial fibrillation diagnosed June 2013. Medical  opinion (two cardiologists) is that it's not caused by fluoxetine w/drawal and is a dangerous, chronic condition requiring lifelong medication. As of Aug 2013 heart palpitations for the most part ceased. Tapered beta blocker and am off of it as of Jan 2015. No wd symptoms or recurring afib at all so far. Maybe it was wd after all, but doctors don't think so, surprise surprise. However, a small victory: the last doctor I related this to shrugged her shoulders. Getting lots of exercise, which has me physically pretty robust at age 71 in spite of persistence of mirt wd symptoms, mainly insomnia and anxiety, but also jaw-clenching annoyance at noises of a certain pitch and timbre. Incessant media fixation on the presidential campaign has ruined my disposition and my faith in the future. My Introduction.

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Welcome Blandthrax,

 

So glad to hear you threw away that script!  Good for you - less complications to manage.  You'll want to give yourself a decent period of feeling stable before you reduce your dose again.  At these lower doses people often need to go slower than 10% monthly - but it's very personal so just pay close attention to how you're doing.  NZ11 mentioned another moderator called Brassmonkey who is managing the end of his taper really well - you might find it very useful to read some of his Intro thread. 

 

Also, are you taking the 3.7 each day, or occasionally?  (Getting all your drug details in a signature would be great - thanks). 

 

We have a thread about dropping to zero with some useful discussion:  http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/11051-when-to-end-the-taper-and-jump-to-zero/  The fact that you are still experiencing a number of symptoms when you reduce is an indication that it's not time to jump off yet.  Tips for Tapering Remeron mentions that tapering remeron too fast can cause insomnia, which makes it very important to taper it gradually.  It's hard to cope without good sleep...

 

We also have threads on managing symptoms which can be very useful:  http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/forum/8-symptoms-and-self-care/

 

It's good to have you here Blandthrax.  Please have a read of those links and feel free to ask more questions here in your own thread.

 

Karen

2010  Fluoxetine 20mg.  2011  Escitalopram 20mg.  2013 Tapered badly and destabilised CNS.  Effexor 150mg. 

2015 Begin using info at SurvivingAntidepressants.  Cut 10% - bad w/d 2 months, held 1 month. 

Micro-tapering: four weekly 0.4% cuts, hold 4 weeks (struggling with symptoms).

8 month hold.

2017 Micro-tapering: four weekly 1% cuts, hold 4 weeks (symptoms almost non-existent).

2020 Still micro-tapering. Just over 2/3 of the way off effexor. Minimal symptoms, - and sleeping well.
Supplements: Fish oil, vitamin C, iron, oat-straw tea, nettle tea.

My story of healing:ContinuedHealing

***I am not a doctor; please do your own research and be able to take responsibility for decisions you make.*** 

           'The possibility of renewal exists so long as life exists.'  Dr Gabor Mate.

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oops correction i meant t say Brassmonkey is 0.64 mg active  iingredient

Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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Blandthrax... Welcome friend.

 

It seems we have similar story my friend. I have 28 days taking 15 mg Remeron each night in order to be able to taper 2-3 month of usage of benzo. Not sure whether I did the right thing and now I do not know how will I go off Remeron. How did you wean off from 15 to 3.75 buddy...???

2015 -  2016 Xanax only rescue doses of 0.125 mg 1-2 times per month
 March 2016 0.125Mg * 2 Xanax for 10 days.

20 March 2016 0.25 Mg * 2 Xanax for one week. 1 April 2016 Tranxene 5 mg and Fevarin but bad reaction for 5 days.4 April 2016 25 Mg Amitryptiline + 6 MG bromazepam at night

Started tapering Bromazepam 6 days later reached up to 3 MG in 10 days and withdrawal. Pdoc asked to go 6 MG again.

10 of May started Remeron 15 MG and started tapering Bromazepam again.

SINCE 09/06/2016 BENZO FREE - Started Tapering Remeron 04/07/2016

 

04/Jul/16 12.8 Mg, 11/Aug/16 12 Mg, 20/Aug/16 11Mg, 3/Sept/16 10Mg, 11/Sept/16 9 Mg, 30/Sept/16 8.1 Mg, 14/Oct/16 7.25 Mg, 17/Nov/16 6.7, 23/Nov/16 6.5, 2/Dec/16 6.25, 9/Dec/16 6Mg, 25/Dec/16 5.7Mg, 4/Jan/17 5.4Mg, 20/Jan/17 5.2Mg, 07/Feb/17 5 Mg, 15/Feb/17 4.8Mg, 27/Feb/17 4.5Mg, 15/Mar/17 4.2Mg, 23/Mar/17 4Mg, 1/Apr/17 3.7Mg, 14/Apr/17 3.4Mg, 27/Apr/17 3.1Mg, 06/May/17 2.8Mg, 22/May/17 2.6Mg, 31/May/17 2.3Mg 09/Jun/17 2Mg, 20/Jun/17 1.7Mg, 29/Jun/17 1.4Mg, 11/Jul/17 1.2Mg, 20/Jul/17 1Mg, 31/Jul/17 0.8Mg, 11/Aug/17 0.6Mg, 23/Aug/17 0.5Mg, 05/Sept/17 0.4Mg, 13/Sept/17 0.3Mg. 22/Sept/17 0.2Mg, 03/Oct/17 0.15Mg, 10/Oct/17 0.1Mg, 23/Oct/17 0.05Mg, 22/Nov/17 0.025Mg, 06/DECEMBER/2017 MIRT FREEE.

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