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I can't say it better than Flowers!  I am so impressed with your holding through your symptoms and am excited for you that you are feeling ready to move forward with your taper soon.  

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RachelSusan

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After a four month hold I will be tapering 5%, starting tomorrow.  A bit nervous because my last flare up of symptoms were so bad and lasted almost  three months.  Finger crossed.

 

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nz11

All the best 

I can see you are the new postergirl for safe tapering.

I think 5% is a very wise move.

regards

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RachelSusan

Hi NZ11,

I loved the way you phrased your comment, it made me smile. A big smile. I am indeed the new poster girl for safe tapering.  I believe the old saying is "once bitten, twice shy," but in my case I needed to be bitten many times before I learned my lesson. I'm now very shy with my tapering. Thanks for stopping by.

Rachel

 

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nz11

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Terry
On 12/13/2016 at 2:54 PM, RachelSusan said:

I switched to liquid Zoloft on Dec 10

Hi RachelSusan.  I'm also tapering from sertraline (Zoloft).  I've been tapering using dilutions of 25 mg tablets with water.  I've been told by a pharmacist that I can't do that, but so far I'm doing OK .  Eventually I want to switch to the liquid form.  Did you taper Zoloft in pill form to get to the 12.5 mg  level?  Hope you are doing well and experiencing many windows.

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Hi Terry,

Thank you for stopping by.

51 minutes ago, Terry said:

Did you taper Zoloft in pill form to get to the 12.5 mg  level?

I got down to 12.5 mg of sertraline (Zoloft) by using a pill cutter.  It got too difficult to cut the smaller pills so I switched to liquid.  I'm very glad I switched to liquid, it is much easier for me.  If you do decide to switch to liquid be careful though because one form (hard pill vs liquid) can be stronger or weaker than the other.  I wasn't careful and I got a lot of strong symptoms that lasted for a few weeks.  What I mean when I say I wasn't careful is I just went from taking the hard pill one day to what was supposedly the same dosage of the liquid the next day. Wow, it was bad. Somewhere on this site are directions on how to transition from pill to liquid.  I hope that if you do decide to go to the liquid you might consider following the suggestions on how to do it.  I would hate to see you suffer with this transition like I did. 

 

I read your signature and you should be proud of yourself.  It's looks like you have done a lot of really hard work.  I wish you smooth sailing with your taper.

 

Rachel

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Terry

Thanks Rachel for your good wishes and for telling me about transitioning from pill to liquid.  I was a bit concerned about that, so now I'm hoping I can find more info on this site.  I  don't want to make any more trouble for myself than necessary.  I appreciate your help!  Hope you're having a good day.

 

Terry

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RachelSusan

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6 days since my taper.  I was surprised because the symptoms hit me the second day. That doesn't make sense to me because it usually takes about four days for our bodies to register the addition of a psycho pharmaceutical drug, so it seems to me that it would be the same with removing a drug, additionally my taper symptoms  usually start around the 5th through the 8th day. Symptoms are the usual, hot and sweating, sinus and ear pressure, feeling woozy at times. Oh yes, burning skin.  However the burning skin is usually with me all the time, it just gets worse when I first taper. No inner trembling thus far, thank goodness.  Actually when I read about how much some others are suffering I'm grateful that this taper it is as light as it is. Let's see what happens in the next few days. 

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apace41
15 hours ago, RachelSusan said:

That doesn't make sense to me because it usually takes about four days for our bodies to register the addition of a psycho pharmaceutical drug, so it seems to me that it would be the same with removing a drug, additionally my taper symptoms  usually start around the 5th through the 8th day.

 

It's not set in stone, RS.  As you cut further you can see things appear sooner.  I know I feel my cuts within a day or two very often.  Some of that can also be "nocebo" effect as you start to expect symptoms from the cut.

 

You are doing great.  Just take it easy and let your body come back to baseline.

 

Best,

 

Andy

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RachelSusan

Hi Andy,

 

Thanks for answering my question.  I was wondering about that.  I am riding this taper out easy breezy. Symptoms are light and knowing what to expect helps alleviate any anticipatory anxiety. Thanks again for answering. 

 

RS

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apace41
6 minutes ago, RachelSusan said:

I am riding this taper out easy breezy. Symptoms are light and knowing what to expect helps alleviate any anticipatory anxiety.

 

You may be one of the "luckies" who rides this down and off without much significant happening, however, it is really critical not to get complacent and let your guard down just because this part has been easy.  At 4.75 mg you are making great progress but still have some "tough cuts" to come as you head toward zero.  I'm confident you will do great as you are very disciplined.  I just want to caution you because things can change on a dime.

 

Best,

 

Andy

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Oh Andy, I do know. I had a great run of tapers in spring and then it all caught up with me.  I had a 4 month hold because for 3  months of that time I was in withdrawal with severe symptoms. This is my first taper after the hold. I'm thrilled that this one is going well but after the last 4 months I am super cautious.  I seem to do fairly well with tapers in the short term but then they bite me in the behind by catching up with me months later. I am concerned about getting down in the lower numbers and in the future I may have to go to less than a 5% taper, which is what I did this time.  Also I'm only into day 6 of this taper, experience has taught me that the monster can come out of nowhere. Around day ten I will feel much safer.

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Frogie

Hi RS:

 

Just wanted to say hi.

 

I posted on my thread what's going on.

 

I hope you are doing well and ready for Christmas.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

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Frogie,

This is crazy.  Look at the post I just left on your page.  It looks like we left messages for each other at the exact same time.  Wow!  Yes I am doing well and very excited about the holidays. Yeah!!!!

xo

RS

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Frogie
Just now, RachelSusan said:

Frogie,

This is crazy.  Look at the post I just left on your page.  It looks like we left messages for each other at the exact same time.  Wow!  Yes I am doing well and very excited about the holidays. Yeah!!!!

xo

RS

I just saw that.

 

Great minds think alike lol...

 

Unforntunatley I'm not looking forward to the holidays. I'll be glad when they are over.

 

Great to hear from you.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

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RachelSusan

Frogie,

I'm sorry to hear you are not looking forward to the holidays.  It is indeed a stressful time of year for a lot of people.  Hang in there and it will be over soon.

xo

RS

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Altostrata
On 12/14/2017 at 7:38 PM, RachelSusan said:

Oh Andy, I do know. I had a great run of tapers in spring and then it all caught up with me.  I had a 4 month hold because for 3  months of that time I was in withdrawal with severe symptoms. This is my first taper after the hold. I'm thrilled that this one is going well but after the last 4 months I am super cautious.  I seem to do fairly well with tapers in the short term but then they bite me in the behind by catching up with me months later. I am concerned about getting down in the lower numbers and in the future I may have to go to less than a 5% taper, which is what I did this time.  Also I'm only into day 6 of this taper, experience has taught me that the monster can come out of nowhere. Around day ten I will feel much safer.

 

RS, you might want to take it very easy -- maybe hold a little longer between cuts, or even taper every other month to make sure your nervous system has settled from the prior cut.

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@Altostrata

Hi Altostrata,

Thank you for the input.  I will take your advice.  I do feel like I am getting into dangerous territory as I go lower so all input from the people more experienced than I is deeply appreciated. When I can taper and not be thrown into WD I feel it is a small success for me. I know I will ultimately get off this drug, there is no doubt in my mind. I however know I can get off it two ways, the hard way and the easier way.  Please note I didn't say easy, I said easier, big difference. Even the easier way is going to have some issues along the road.  Thank you for this website, that you for the moderators and thank you for you.  I wear a big smile today because I am having a day without symptoms.

RS

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Hi all,

I felt I was remiss in my post to Altostrata and wanted to correct it right away.  I mentioned all the things I wanted to thank her for, they of course remain, but I wanted to add I am grateful to all the other people here on this site.  We are all trapped in our own misery yet we show up and respond to each others posts with love and support even when we feel terrible. You offer me your own experiences which I learn from,  your support is unconditional and yet when I get too far off into area of taper that may harm me you offer advice, but said in a kind and gentle way. I have made friends here, I have gotten support here from those friends. Thank you to all here.

RS

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Altostrata

Yes, this is a beautiful community and your voice is a grace note, RachelSusan. Happy holidays to you.

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JS11

Very well said, Rachel.  You, and others, have been a Godsend.  Thank you for for trying to get me out of my shell.  Not a place I have always been, but seem to run to even though it is exceedingly uncomfortable.  

 

I see your taper isn't being very kind.  I am thinking of going down from 5mgs. but uncertain now as anxiety symptoms seem to be ramping up.  Do you find that your symptoms increase when life stressors do?  I know the correlation sounds rather obvious but as you have noted, they can come out of nowhere and whack you.  

 

I hope this day finds you well.  I am struggling but trying to hold on to all the kindness I have been shown by you and others...  

 

take care my friend and Merry Christmas,

JS11

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RachelSusan

Hi JS,

 

You have come out to play!!!! Yay!!!! I'm so happy to see you here.  It is ok to hibernate or cocoon as I like to call it. I'm just happy to see you come out once in a while. As long as you are doing your baby steps it's all good.  Again, they can be tiny little baby steps, but keep up with those steps. The fact that you are here on my page counts as a big step, at least in my book.

 

In answer to your question, no doubt the symptoms are worse when I am stressed but also they sadly will come out of nowhere too.

 

As for you going down to 5% right now, you might want to think twice about it, especially because your anxiety symptoms seem to be ramping up.  You went down from 5.75% to 5.0% on November 1st. That is a 13% reduction.  We are recommended not to go more that 10% a month unless we are having no symptoms and breezing through it.  Since you are having symptoms you might consider holding off until you are clear of those symptoms and you have a full month or even longer with no symptoms. Would you be willing to wait until sometime in January? I sound like I know what I am doing, don't I?  I am just parroting what I learned on the site here.  I am now a by the book gal, I have suffered enough with this stuff.  I don't want to see you suffer which is why I am making this suggestion,  but whatever you decide to do I will be here for you.  That's another thing I love about this site, people make suggestions but then we think about it and are free to do what we feel comfortable with.

 

Take good are of yourself my friend. Merry Christmas, and Happy Holidays to you.

 

xo

RS

 

 

 

 

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JS11

Oh I do trust your guidance, Rachel and I think I am going to stay put.  

 

I put I was on 5.75mgs but I'm not actually sure as I was doing the drug dealer thing and weighing the little buggers.  Here a milligram, there a milligram.  One morning, I had forgotten to put the extra little morsel to go along with the 5mg tablet.  Then the next morning I dropped the extra little sucker and so I just decided to chuck the .whatever and stick to 5mg.  

 

My symptoms have been rearing their ugly heads and I was just thinking or rather, overthinking as it were.  I was taking 1.5mgs of melatonin--which is what a sleep specialist told my doctor is the appropriate dose--but have been doing 3mgs as my sleep has been lousy.  Also, in the wee hours I become a sleep deprived squirrel as when I wake up at 3:30 a.m., I sometimes nibble on another 1.5mgs in hopes of falling back to sleep.  

Anxiety by melatonin?  Would be lovely if it were so simple.....I mean, my teeth were chattering this a.m.  (see squirrel.)  I think I would take the Doctor Doolittle stuff over the anxiety but I do not want to tempt fate so now must go knock some wood..

take care my friend

and thank you always for your kind and gentle manner.

xoxo,

JS

 

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JS11

Hi Rachel,

Just wanted to say hello.  How is your taper treating you? 

 

Hopefully, all is well.

take care,

JS11

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RachelSusan

Hi JS11,

 

The last taper was December 9th and was going good until just a few days ago.  The sweats came back and the burning skin got a little worse.  However the severity is mild so that's good.  I just need to wait for it to pass again. These lower numbers are indeed very hard. It was suggested to me that I wait two months before my next taper and I am following that advice.  If the symptoms continue I will wait even longer.  I am now going to be the "turtle of tapering." No more rushing it.

 

I hope you are able to sleep.

 

RS

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Frogie

Hi RS:

 

Just wanted to,say hi.

 

I just read about your taper. I hope the symptoms go away for you.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

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RachelSusan

Frogie,

Happy New Year!  I'm doing OK. Not perfect, but OK. You know how it is, symptoms come and go. I'm looking forward to a fresh beginning for all us in 2018.

xo

Rachel

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Frogie
11 minutes ago, RachelSusan said:

Frogie,

Happy New Year!  I'm doing OK. Not perfect, but OK. You know how it is, symptoms come and go. I'm looking forward to a fresh beginning for all us in 2018.

xo

Rachel

Happy New Year!

 

We are all going to have a better year. We just need to,start out positive :)

 

I'm glad you are doing better.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

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JS11
On 12/27/2017 at 10:30 PM, RachelSusan said:

Hi JS11,

 

The last taper was December 9th and was going good until just a few days ago.  The sweats came back and the burning skin got a little worse.  However the severity is mild so that's good.  I just need to wait for it to pass again. These lower numbers are indeed very hard. It was suggested to me that I wait two months before my next taper and I am following that advice.  If the symptoms continue I will wait even longer.  I am now going to be the "turtle of tapering." No more rushing it.

 

I hope you are able to sleep.

 

RS

 

Oh R,

Burning skin sounds hideous.   I am so very sorry. Is it all over or is it mercifully only in some areas although any area is too much.  

 

 I remember the sweats thing.  I constantly looked like I had just participated in some major athletic endurance event.  Pity I couldn't be in that good of shape.  I swear I have talked to you about this before.  My brain is just whacky and I know I am not totally psychic but I swear I remember the "turtle of tapering too!"  If I have responded to this post before, please forgive me.  The mind, a terrible thing to waste.

 

take care my friend,

May your symptoms be brief and oh so mild.  (None would be preferable)

JS

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JS11

Hi Rachel,

 

Just wanted to say hello.  

 

xoxo,

JS

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RachelSusan

JS, 

hello back at you. It’s nice to see your message.  How are you feeling today?

RS

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JS11

Oh hey, 

 

I wasn't sure you got the PM alerts so I figured I'd go live, so to speak.  

 

Didn't go into friend's office today so am at home.  I do have an appointment with a newish counselor at my psych's office, which gives me something to look forward to.  Unscheduled time and solitude are not my friends.  Didn't get those weird dizzy waves until around 9am which was refreshing, but then they arrived.  Also have those weird shaky internal tremors, like little earthquakes.  

 

Want to make myself work on a job application.  I know it is not going to stay open forever.  I may take a Lyft into the medical center early just so I can be around people.  My appointment is around 4pm.  I could also wake back and forth in the waiting area, which is huge.  Still icy and rather grey here so the thought of a walk isn't exactly pleasing to me.  Trying to get used to my new neighborhood but must admit to just wanting to be somewhere "known."  

 

How about you?  What are you up to today?  

 

take care,

JS

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I’m impressed with the things you are doing. Going early to the appointment sounds like a really good idea. In fact I’m doing  something similar. I need to visit a friend in the hospital (all ok) so I got here an hour early just to sit in lobby and watch people. Great minds think alike. 

 

Darn I really hate the internal tremors. They sort of hurt, but don’t hurt. Maybe the word is really uncomfortable?  I don’t know how to discribe how they make me feel. It is definitely a negative physical sensation, at least for me. 

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JS11

How funny.  I'm so sorry about your friend.  Visiting someone in the hospital is such a kind thing.  I always feel at home there as my mama was a nurse, but not everyone feels that way. :) 

 

Yes, uncomfortable is definitely the word.  Go away, do not come back another day.

 

How are you feeling this day symptom wise?  Your taper being kind?

 

xo,

J

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Today is good. I think I turned the corner on this last taper. I’m lucky to have that pattern I mention so I usually know what to expect. However I do have to say that once in a while the pattern does change on me 

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