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I think that what these lists say is that "anxiety" is a very general term.

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for me the basic anxiety symptom is dread - a feeling that something bad is about to happen. and, more generally, a feeling that things are NOT OK. 

 

I have been having it for weeks now. 😔

Currently taking Ramapril (blood pressure) 5 mg twice a day

Omeprazole 10 mg AM and 20 mg PM  (the taper has gone nowhere after the first cut)

Famotidine   once a day (and I still needs tums sometimes)

magnesium 200 mg at night

as of yesterday 2 fish oil capsules "EPA-DHA 1000"

 

off Lexapro as of 5/2018  - last dose had been 5 mg every other day for a couple years

 

highest dose had been 20 mg at which point I was diagnosed with Bipolar II, which went away when I cut the lexapro down to 15 mg. 

 

I spent years on Paxil before Lexapro (can't remember dose), briefly on Effexor and Abilify and others I have forgotten. in fact, when I was diagnoses with BPII I was put on all kinds of things which made me feel so bad I stopped them cold turkey within maybe 3 or 4 weeks, thank goodness. since then I've known these pills were terrible and I weaned down the Lexapro with zero help or support over I'm not sure how many years. 

 

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I used to call that "black holes." I had never experienced such a thing before withdrawal.

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On 3/2/2019 at 2:07 PM, Altostrata said:

I used to call that "black holes." I had never experienced such a thing before withdrawal.

 

 

thank you for that - it helps enormously to know it's bad and "it's not just me".   

 

 

Currently taking Ramapril (blood pressure) 5 mg twice a day

Omeprazole 10 mg AM and 20 mg PM  (the taper has gone nowhere after the first cut)

Famotidine   once a day (and I still needs tums sometimes)

magnesium 200 mg at night

as of yesterday 2 fish oil capsules "EPA-DHA 1000"

 

off Lexapro as of 5/2018  - last dose had been 5 mg every other day for a couple years

 

highest dose had been 20 mg at which point I was diagnosed with Bipolar II, which went away when I cut the lexapro down to 15 mg. 

 

I spent years on Paxil before Lexapro (can't remember dose), briefly on Effexor and Abilify and others I have forgotten. in fact, when I was diagnoses with BPII I was put on all kinds of things which made me feel so bad I stopped them cold turkey within maybe 3 or 4 weeks, thank goodness. since then I've known these pills were terrible and I weaned down the Lexapro with zero help or support over I'm not sure how many years. 

 

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What to do with anxiety that goes beyond feelings

 

Much of anxiety coping recommendations, such as Claire Weekes’ (whose advice is so comforting), are about accepting that your body does feel awful and to ‘flow’ with it.  Learn to trust that it is only a bodily sensation and you will in time lose the dread of it.  That has been helpful for some of my anxiety, but I had an actual embarrassing occurrence brought on by anxiety a couple times in my life (many years ago) that have ‘proved’ to me that in some cases, though rare, more can happen to me than just cruddy bodily sensations.  

 

Has anyone else experienced something like this?  Does anything work to help?  I know my fears of this occurrence are largely ‘mental” but I just can shake it.

 

I had been able to ‘forget’ this fear for a number of years while on Paxil, but once my withdrawal symptoms hit my body back in May of this year, and I got back to work in August (I am a teacher-we are back in regular school, not virtual), my WD anxiety whipped my memories back and I fear it every day that I got to work since I am in front of people all the time.

 

Thanks for any thoughts or shared experiences.  

 

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2006 Was on Zoloft 6  years. 20mg 

2012 switched to Paxil. Eventually down to 10mg

November 2019-tapered for 1 1/2 months-5mg and then every other day

January 1 2019-off completely.

Did wonderful for 4-5 months

May 2020 began experiencing WD symptoms

Strong anxiety from the moment I wake up, Pit in my stomach through midday, sometimes beyond, Depression for about a month-may have been withdrawal or just sadness over feeling back in the dregs of anxiety, Panic symptoms, resurfaced phobias, Anxious thoughts, Waking up at 3 or 4 in the morning regularly and unable to fall back asleep.

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@Gustl Hi. I sympathize with what you are describing. Yes, I've had those thoughts and feelings, too. Particularly what you describe in the last part of your med signature....strong anxiety from the moment of waking up. Depression. And on and on. However, over the past year, that has subsided little by little until it's no longer an issue. There were times when I thought I was going to be in that pit forever, but now I know it's not true. I see an inkling of that realization in your post, so hang on to that.

 

Claire Weekes' book was a comforting book way back when I started this journey. Since then, I've kept reading other sources, all of which help. 

 

Here's what helped me the most:

1. CBT with a good therapist. We used the book, "Mind Over Mood," by Greenberger and Padesky. Available on Amazon. The thought records work wonders.

2. Dr. Amy Johnson on YouTube. She is all about our thoughts and how normal this whole mess can be, and the best ways to deal with it, and her approach is surprisingly easy and effective. She's written a short book titled, "The Little Book of Big Change," but I find her videos are the most helpful. She puts out a new one every Monday on YouTube. Might help to read her book first so you know how the philosophy works. Whenever I'm having a low day, I go and watch one of her videos. Right now, this is my go-to coping tool.

3. Eckhart Tolle videos on YouTube. All about the power of NOW. Lots of stuff on anxiety. He's so easy to listen to, and you can learn a lot. Book = The Power of Now.

4. A paradoxical trick - inviting the anxiety in. Yes, when having an anxiety  meltdown, I invited more of it in. I would lie down, relax, do some deep breathing, and then say to myself, "Bring it on. Let's get as anxious as possible. Let's see what you can do." Believe it or not, I just couldn't make myself get really really bad, and the anxiety started losing its power! it was scary to try this at first, but the more I practiced it, the anxiety just ran out of steam because I had more control. Not the kind of control where you try to get rid of it - that just makes it stronger. Just a control in handling it. Worth a try!

5. A note about trying to "forget" your fear. That doesn't work. It's like saying, "Don't think about pink elephants." Suddenly, that's all that's in your head! You can apply #4 above to this in a different way. Sit quietly for a few minutes, do some deep breathing, get as comfortable as you can. Then let the fear come up. Try to look at it objectively, without judgement. Where is it sitting in your body? Notice what it does when you have it....cause headaches? Puts a pit in your stomach? Just let those feelings be and be with them, then focus on a different part of your body where you're not feeling it. Kinda like meditation.

 

Best of luck!

 

Celexa - 20 mg May 2015 - March 2016 (Felt quite good)..... Celexa taper from May 2016 - Nov 2016.....Completely off by Nov. 2016.

Depression and Anxiety returned June 2017

July, 2017: Zoloft = 25 mg;  Aug. 2017 = 37.5 mg; Nov. 2017 = 50 mg thru Jan. 23, 2018.

Jan. 2018 - May 6, 2019 = taper Zoloft from 50 mg to 12.5 mg.  Aug. 11, 2019 - felt so bad that I reinstated at 25mg. Hold at this dose until Feb. 3, 2020

Feb. 4, 2020 = reduce dose to 21.875 mg. Hold for 10 weeks. April 14, 2020 = 18.75 mg. Hold for 10 weeks.  

June10, 2020 - start cycle of 2 weeks to taper slowly from old dose to new dose, then hold at new dose for 6 weeks.

June 23, 2020  = 16.66 mg.........August 26, 2020 = 14.75 mg ....... October 28, 2020 = 13.15 mg

2021: Jan. 1 = 11.85 mg....Feb. 26 = 10.5 mg....April 23 = 9.3 mg....June 12 = 8.33 mg.... Aug. 7 = 7.05 mg.....Oct. 9 = 6.08 mg.....Dec. 4 = 5.12 mg......Jan. 21, 2022 = 4.16mg.....Mar. 26 = 3.20mg......May 7 = 1.92mg....July 2 OFF!

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This excellent resource has a diagram explained what happens to the body:

 

https://www.getselfhelp.co.uk/anxiety.htm

 

These can be helpful too.  If you learn the script, or at least the start of the script, you may be able to use it when you notice any signs that the panic is starting:

 

Audio:  First Aid for Panic (4 minutes) Female voice - getselfhelp.co.uk
 
Audio:  First Aid for Panic (4 minutes) Male voice - getselfhelp.co.uk

 

And the same site has:

 

https://www.getselfhelp.co.uk/thoughts.htm

https://www.getselfhelp.co.uk/unhelpful.htm

 

This page contains links to other resources on the same site.  Scroll down to see the list:

 

https://www.getselfhelp.co.uk/selfhelp.htm

 

This site is by one of SA's moderators who has personal experience with psychiatric drug withdrawal:

 

Anxiety Stuff - all kinds of stuff about anxiety attacks and things that help ...

 

And SA's topics:

 

"Change the channel" -- dealing with cognitive symptoms


Change cognitive framing - Redirect - Another Way

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This restorative yoga posture helps me with anxiety.  If (like me) you're not limber enough to get your legs on the wall, hooking your legs on a chair also works.

 

10 minute Restorative Yoga for Relaxation | Up the wall

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Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements

Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium

Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper.   

March 22, 2022: hold at 4.8mg and shift to Imipramine taper

Aug. 5, 2022: shift back to Valium taper.  

Current dose as of Sept. 22, 2022: 3.5mg

Taper is 81% complete.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan-Sept 2016 tapered to 16mg.  

Held until Aug 2021, tapered for 4 weeks to 14.4mg

March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper.  Current dose as of Aug. 5: 9.5mg 

Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5 and shift to Valium taper

Taper is 87% complete.  

  

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21 minutes ago, Gridley said:

you're not limber enough to get your legs on the wall,

 

Or have back issues.

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Thank you all for the recommendations.  It’s good to have more tools.  The books, videos, and sites look really good.  In some ways, though, my challenge comes from being more or less a ‘performer’ in my work.  I don’t have the freedom to step away and do breathing exercises or yoga.  My panic moments happen while I am actively in front of a classroom or on stage in front of the school.  These calming activities can help in preparation for these daily times and I have employed some of them, but my reoccurring challenge is that panic and fear of what did happen in the past will happen again when I am up front.  

 

Even as I listened to Dr. Amy Johnson or the First Aid for Panic audios (which I really enjoyed, by the way), there still is a common theme in those resources that goes like this: your panic is just a collection of feelings that will go away and nothing really happens so learn to not fear it.  I have unfortunately had a few episodes where something indeed did happen and while it only happened 3 times in the course of my 45 year life, I find it so hard to ignore it and say, “It won’t ever happen again.”  

 

I don’t know where to go from here.

2006 Was on Zoloft 6  years. 20mg 

2012 switched to Paxil. Eventually down to 10mg

November 2019-tapered for 1 1/2 months-5mg and then every other day

January 1 2019-off completely.

Did wonderful for 4-5 months

May 2020 began experiencing WD symptoms

Strong anxiety from the moment I wake up, Pit in my stomach through midday, sometimes beyond, Depression for about a month-may have been withdrawal or just sadness over feeling back in the dregs of anxiety, Panic symptoms, resurfaced phobias, Anxious thoughts, Waking up at 3 or 4 in the morning regularly and unable to fall back asleep.

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31 minutes ago, Gustl said:

I don’t know where to go from here.

 

Perhaps seeing a counsellor and learning life skills and coping techniques from them might be helpful.

 

32 minutes ago, Gustl said:

I have unfortunately had a few episodes where something indeed did happen and while it only happened 3 times in the course of my 45 year life, I find it so hard to ignore it and say, “It won’t ever happen again.”  

 

Instead of saying "It won't ever happen again" you can change that to "it is unlikely to happen again".

 

On 8/2/2020 at 6:49 AM, mstimc said:

And one last piece of wisdom from my wife.  She told me that living my life afraid of being sick is just as bad as having a real disease.  That stuck with me.

 

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4 hours ago, Gustl said:

Thank you all for the recommendations.  It’s good to have more tools.  The books, videos, and sites look really good.  In some ways, though, my challenge comes from being more or less a ‘performer’ in my work.  I don’t have the freedom to step away and do breathing exercises or yoga.  My panic moments happen while I am actively in front of a classroom or on stage in front of the school.  These calming activities can help in preparation for these daily times and I have employed some of them, but my reoccurring challenge is that panic and fear of what did happen in the past will happen again when I am up front.  

 

Even as I listened to Dr. Amy Johnson or the First Aid for Panic audios (which I really enjoyed, by the way), there still is a common theme in those resources that goes like this: your panic is just a collection of feelings that will go away and nothing really happens so learn to not fear it.  I have unfortunately had a few episodes where something indeed did happen and while it only happened 3 times in the course of my 45 year life, I find it so hard to ignore it and say, “It won’t ever happen again.”  

 

I don’t know where to go from here.

One thing that works for me with this is to imagine the consequences if  *it* happens again whatever it is for you. What if you forget your words in front of the class? What if you throw up. Things happen and people get excited about them a few times and in a couple of years even you can't remember them unless you focus on that one incident relentlessly. Very few things in life have the catastrophic consequences we imagine they will.

 

So, chance of something happening is very low and even if it did happen, you'll very likely recover from it. 

 

Also, thinking about them does not really prevent things or help you deal with them better even though anxious people think that it helps them prepare if they can replay all potential permutations of how things would go wrong (my CBT therapist).

I am not a doctor and this should not be considered medical advice. You can use the information provided in whatever way you want and all decisions on your treatment are yours. 

 

If you would like to get a response from me directly please type @Onmyway some place in your message so I get notified of your post. I am not able to follow all of the threads all the time.

 

Aug  2000 - July 2003 (ct, 4-6 wk wd) , citalopram 20 mg,  xanax prn, wellbutrin for a few months, trazodone prn 

Dec 2004 - July 2018 citalopram 20 mg, xanax prn (rarely used)

Aug 2018 - citalopram 40 mg (self titrated up)

September 2018 - January 2019 tapered citalopram - 40/30/20/10/5 no issues until a week after reaching 0

Feb 2019 0.25 xanax - 0.5/day (3 weeks) over to klonopin 0.25 once a day to manage severe wd

March 6, reinstated citalopram 2.5 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 mg for sleep 2-3 times a week

Apr 1st citalopram 2.0 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 once a week, 

citalopram (liquid) 4/14/19 -1.8 mg, 5/8/19 - 1.6 mg,  7/27/19 -1.5 mg,  8/15/19 - 1.35, 2/21/21 - 1.1 (smaller drops in between), 6/20/21 - 1.03 mg, 8/7/21- 1.025, 8/11/21 - 1.02, 8/15/21 - 1.015, 9/3/21 - 0.925 (fingers crossed!), 10/8/21 - 0.9, 10/18/21 - 0.875, 12/31/21 - 0.85, 1/7/22 - 0.825, 1/14/22 - 0.8, 1/22/22 - 0.785, 8/18/22 - 0.59

 

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23 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

 

Perhaps seeing a counsellor and learning life skills and coping techniques from them might be helpful.

 

 

Instead of saying "It won't ever happen again" you can change that to "it is unlikely to happen again".

 

 

This is good.  I just contacted a counseling office.  I went to counseling years ago and it was good, but I reached a point where it seemed like the counselor had nothing really new to give me.  I’m a little afraid I’ll find the same at this new counselor.  I tend to be an avid reader and have read lots of anxiety books and also read sites such as this one.  Will the counselor just tell me things I already know (and I have to pay them for it)?  It can’t hurt to try, though, right?

 

I really like switch from “It won’t ever happen again” to “It is unlikely to happen again.”  That was a good insight and a relevant one that helped me yesterday when I considered it throughout my work day.  

2006 Was on Zoloft 6  years. 20mg 

2012 switched to Paxil. Eventually down to 10mg

November 2019-tapered for 1 1/2 months-5mg and then every other day

January 1 2019-off completely.

Did wonderful for 4-5 months

May 2020 began experiencing WD symptoms

Strong anxiety from the moment I wake up, Pit in my stomach through midday, sometimes beyond, Depression for about a month-may have been withdrawal or just sadness over feeling back in the dregs of anxiety, Panic symptoms, resurfaced phobias, Anxious thoughts, Waking up at 3 or 4 in the morning regularly and unable to fall back asleep.

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19 hours ago, Onmyway said:

One thing that works for me with this is to imagine the consequences if  *it* happens again whatever it is for you. What if you forget your words in front of the class? What if you throw up. Things happen and people get excited about them a few times and in a couple of years even you can't remember them unless you focus on that one incident relentlessly. Very few things in life have the catastrophic consequences we imagine they will.

 

So, chance of something happening is very low and even if it did happen, you'll very likely recover from it. 

 

Also, thinking about them does not really prevent things or help you deal with them better even though anxious people think that it helps them prepare if they can replay all potential permutations of how things would go wrong (my CBT therapist).

This is really relevant for me too.  I find I do best when I can speak to my anxiety and say, “Who cares?”  

 

Some days it’s harder to believe than others.  Yesterday I had a really good day because for whatever reason I didn’t have my morning cortisol spike.  I was just in a better mood and not so down.  The rest of the day had a peaceful feel to it.  This morning, though, the cortisol is shooting like usual.  It’s amazing how that can pull me down.

 

2006 Was on Zoloft 6  years. 20mg 

2012 switched to Paxil. Eventually down to 10mg

November 2019-tapered for 1 1/2 months-5mg and then every other day

January 1 2019-off completely.

Did wonderful for 4-5 months

May 2020 began experiencing WD symptoms

Strong anxiety from the moment I wake up, Pit in my stomach through midday, sometimes beyond, Depression for about a month-may have been withdrawal or just sadness over feeling back in the dregs of anxiety, Panic symptoms, resurfaced phobias, Anxious thoughts, Waking up at 3 or 4 in the morning regularly and unable to fall back asleep.

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12 hours ago, Gustl said:

This is really relevant for me too.  I find I do best when I can speak to my anxiety and say, “Who cares?”  

 

Some days it’s harder to believe than others.  Yesterday I had a really good day because for whatever reason I didn’t have my morning cortisol spike.  I was just in a better mood and not so down.  The rest of the day had a peaceful feel to it.  This morning, though, the cortisol is shooting like usual.  It’s amazing how that can pull me down.

 

You've had a window!!! Hold on to those memories, they help remind you that this is chemical and it shall pass. Things like cortisol spikes and nausea and dizziness can throw us out and send us into a spiral quickly because if we have nausea then we must be disgusting, if we have a cortisol spikes, it must be anxiety, if dizziness, we must be depressed. What I mean is that sometimes physical symptoms cause the emotions because we can easily find things to be disgusted about etc. In the same way that disgust can cause nausea, nausea can cause disgust as well. Physical and psychological are related. 

 

There was a way to reframe adrenaline from anxiety into excitement. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/474909/

 

Hope you get more windows soon!

 

OMW

I am not a doctor and this should not be considered medical advice. You can use the information provided in whatever way you want and all decisions on your treatment are yours. 

 

If you would like to get a response from me directly please type @Onmyway some place in your message so I get notified of your post. I am not able to follow all of the threads all the time.

 

Aug  2000 - July 2003 (ct, 4-6 wk wd) , citalopram 20 mg,  xanax prn, wellbutrin for a few months, trazodone prn 

Dec 2004 - July 2018 citalopram 20 mg, xanax prn (rarely used)

Aug 2018 - citalopram 40 mg (self titrated up)

September 2018 - January 2019 tapered citalopram - 40/30/20/10/5 no issues until a week after reaching 0

Feb 2019 0.25 xanax - 0.5/day (3 weeks) over to klonopin 0.25 once a day to manage severe wd

March 6, reinstated citalopram 2.5 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 mg for sleep 2-3 times a week

Apr 1st citalopram 2.0 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 once a week, 

citalopram (liquid) 4/14/19 -1.8 mg, 5/8/19 - 1.6 mg,  7/27/19 -1.5 mg,  8/15/19 - 1.35, 2/21/21 - 1.1 (smaller drops in between), 6/20/21 - 1.03 mg, 8/7/21- 1.025, 8/11/21 - 1.02, 8/15/21 - 1.015, 9/3/21 - 0.925 (fingers crossed!), 10/8/21 - 0.9, 10/18/21 - 0.875, 12/31/21 - 0.85, 1/7/22 - 0.825, 1/14/22 - 0.8, 1/22/22 - 0.785, 8/18/22 - 0.59

 

Supplements: magnesium citrate and bi-glycinate

 

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11 hours ago, Onmyway said:

You've had a window!!! Hold on to those memories, they help remind you that this is chemical and it shall pass. Things like cortisol spikes and nausea and dizziness can throw us out and send us into a spiral quickly because if we have nausea then we must be disgusting, if we have a cortisol spikes, it must be anxiety, if dizziness, we must be depressed. What I mean is that sometimes physical symptoms cause the emotions because we can easily find things to be disgusted about etc. In the same way that disgust can cause nausea, nausea can cause disgust as well. Physical and psychological are related. 

 

There was a way to reframe adrenaline from anxiety into excitement. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/474909/

 

Hope you get more windows soon!

 

OMW

Goodness, On my way!, Thank you for that encouragement!  That really meant a lot.  I need to celebrate those windows and not just get depressed that they’re short.  It is definitely true that my physical and psychological build off of each other.  I also really enjoyed the article from The Atlantic and look forward to trying to reframe my anxiety.  The reality is that I love my job, but I forget that inside of anxiety and instead dread it.  I’d like to refocus on excitement and try to channel my nervous energy there.  

 

Thank you!

2006 Was on Zoloft 6  years. 20mg 

2012 switched to Paxil. Eventually down to 10mg

November 2019-tapered for 1 1/2 months-5mg and then every other day

January 1 2019-off completely.

Did wonderful for 4-5 months

May 2020 began experiencing WD symptoms

Strong anxiety from the moment I wake up, Pit in my stomach through midday, sometimes beyond, Depression for about a month-may have been withdrawal or just sadness over feeling back in the dregs of anxiety, Panic symptoms, resurfaced phobias, Anxious thoughts, Waking up at 3 or 4 in the morning regularly and unable to fall back asleep.

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Regards. it is true that I have long spoken on the subject, but I have noticed that there is a difference between withdrawal anxiety and normal anxiety. I started taking cipralex by default due to anxiety. While I know the cause of normal anxiety, there will always be one what if ... the thought started with withdrawal anxiety, at least a constant mild feeling for me. it has no object, it just has. it usually lasts for a few days or 1 week. I don’t know that just because you don’t deal with it and it goes away, or would leave it down by default. that's all i wanted 😊

2011-2019 április cipralex 10mg 

2019 május 7,5 

2019 június 5 mg 

2019. június 26. Boom (depresszió, álmatlanság, verejtékezés, adhedonia, üres elme)

2019. június 26. - sok 10 mg (adhedonia, szorongás)

2020.11.05. 5 mg😁😁 2021.01.28. 4,4 mg. 2021.05.23 4 mg, 2021.08.25 3,7 mg, 2021.09.23 3,5 mg, 2021.12.21 3,08 mg 2022.06.15 2,5mg

 

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I'm finding deep breathing with my mouth closed helps anxiety a lot.  I have a video up somewhere about this, if you breathe through your mouth it doesn't help anxiety (even with deep breaths. ) I'm surprised the degree to which something so simple actually works. 

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Here's the video:

 

 

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Coping with anxiety in withdrawal

 

YouTube video title:  Coping with benzo withdrawal anxiety with Dr. Jenn

 

 

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Ativan Sept 2016 to February 2017 

Cymbalta 30mg from November 2016, taper started in July 2018. 

 

Horrible withdrawals from Ativan. Was starting to feel better until I began tapering Cymbalta in July. CNS was still very fragile from benzo WD. Went from Cymbalta 30mg to 20mg in in 2.5 months. Was at 20mg for approx 3 weeks and then went back up to 22.5mg.

 

Symptoms: intense shaking, heart palpitations, extreme anxiety and rage, depression, sweating, nausea. 

Used to be into fitness but can't workout now until my nervous system calms down. 

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Anyone have burning chest tightness (anxiety) during withdrawal?

Zoloft, November 2019.  I worked up to 50 mg and stayed there until 1 year later. I tapered for 3 months, which should consider to be cold turkey.
Tapering schedule:
Month 1: 37.5 mg

Month 2: 25 mg

Month 3: 12.5 mg

Month 4(Half the month): 6.75 mg
Month 4(Other half): 0 mg December 9, 2020

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37 minutes ago, curiousnootropics said:

Anyone have burning chest tightness (anxiety) during withdrawal?

 

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WD anxiety, a.k.a. neuro-anxiety, is different from normal anxiety. 

We mustn't let ourselves be discouraged if our usual non-drug coping techniques and run-of-the-mill CBT-style tactics don't make a dent. 

Sometimes the best strategies for WD anxiety are distract, acknowledge-accept-float (AAF), distract some more. 

It's very important not to beat ourselves up for "failing" to get a handle on WD anxiety, because it may not be manageable in the same way that garden-variety anxiety is. This is not to say we shouldn't practice coping skills, just that they may not be effective in the ways we're used to. 

 

SunnyRainyDays has written a brilliant description of the experience of WD anxiety, sharing their post here: 

13 hours ago, SunnyRainyDays said:

Normally reassuring and challenging the thoughts with solid proof and facts makes my anxiety go away, but not this one - withdrawal anxiety won’t go away no matter what I do - I just have to sit with it.

 

The neuro-anxiety puts me 24/7 in a flight-or-fight mode. My anxious brain now interprets every single thought and action as “danger”.

I daydream for one minute:

You must have maladaptive daydreaming.

My mind wanders for a few seconds while doing a hour long task:

You must have ADHD

I want to play a video game that has a few drops of blood:

Don’t play it, it will make you violent

I scratch my skin because it itches:

You might go ill and scratch your skin bloody to excess

And so on and on. There aren’t even the “what if you have …” questions that anxiety normally does, but it’s straight out “You (must) have …”

Today I was afraid to leave my house for no reason. The fears come and go as they wish, one day I’ll have them and on another I don’t.

The combination with other neuro emotions that appear from time to time like random hostility out of nowhere make it worse.

 

Weird though that it is afraid of every mental problem but anxiety disorders - if it would be then it would practically eliminate itself by avoiding worrying. But it’d rather be scared of daydreaming, logically. Why is it scared most of daydreaming??? Probably because it’s so common and human that it’s unavoidable, and anxiety hates unavoidable things…

 

I tried reassuring, showing proof that the thought is impossible and stupid, but no matter what I do it won’t even decrease a bit. (I researched the topics my mind is afraid of and it didn’t help - it’s like talking to a moron. It holds to its belief no matter what. I compared the “mental disorders” to myself and even though I fit none my anxiety still insists I probably have it. I even took the official test for Maladaptive daydreaming which you need a score of 40+ points to even be considered a MDer, my score was 17,5, not even the half of it, but my anxious mind doesn’t care and won’t shut up. Each time my mind wanders off my anxiety flares up. Same with every topic. Can’t concentrate once in a while? Danger, very, very bad.) Everything that I do is accompanied by extreme judgement from my anxious mind.

Pity my anxious brain doesn’t notice that most of the problems come from the anxiety itself.

 

All I can do for now is to ignore or distract myself and let it pass along with the withdrawal. Mostly it makes me avoid and not do the things that flare it up, this time facing fears is useless as it leaves me in even more distress.

Yup, withdrawal anxiety is something completely else than normal anxiety and now I know that.

 

SunnyRainyDays' original comment here 

1996-2018 - misc. polypharmacy, incl. SSRIs, SNRIs, neuroleptics, lithium, benzos, stimulants, antihistamines, etc. (approx. 30+ drugs)

2012-2018 - 10mg lexapro/escitalopram (20mg?)    Jan. 2018 - 10mg -> 5mg, then from 5mg -> 2.5mg, then 0mg  -->  July 2018 - 0mg

2017(?)-2020 - vyvanse/lisdexamfetamine 60-70mg    2020-2021 - 70mg down to 0mg  -->  July 2021 - 0mg

March-April 2021 - vortioxetine 5-10mg (approx. 7 weeks total; CT)  -->  April 28th, 2021 - 0mg

supplements: magnesium powder (dissolved in water) as needed throughout the day; 1 tsp fish oil w/ morning meal; 2mg melatonin 

August 1, 2022 - 1 mg melatonin

 

Courage is fear that has said its prayers.  - Karle Wilson Baker

love and justice are not two. without inner change, there can be no outer change; without collective change, no change matters.  - Rev. angel Kyodo williams

Holding multiple truths. Knowing that everyone has their own accurate view of the way things are.  - text on homemade banner at Afiya house

 

I am not a medical professional; this is not medical advice. 

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On 8/3/2011 at 10:25 AM, poodlebell said:

Follow this link to The Linden Method cure for insomnia

Hello 

insomnia is part of the worth symptoms on WD…. Most of reviews says that linden méthod is a Marketer and not worth spending money on his method. 
what would you think ? 
ill be happy to find something to get to sleep better during my tapering journey

1999-2002 Seropram 20mg

2002-2004 Paxil 10mg; 2004-2012 Paxil 20mg

2012-2013 Effexor 75mg

2013-2018 Paxil 20mg

2018-2019 Effexor 75mg

2019-2021 Paxil 20mg

2021-present Lexapro 5mg

10-2022 Lexapro 4,5mg + Fish oil + Magnesium 

06-25-2022 Lexapro 4mg + fish oil + Magnesium

07-23-2022 Lexapro 3.5mg + fish oil + magnesium 

08-23-2022 Lexapro 3.2mg + fish oil + magnesium 

Prazepam if needed in case of panic attack (none for 3 years)

     
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Hello 

insomnia is part of the worth symptoms on WD…. Most of reviews says that linden méthod is a Marketer and not worth spending money on his method. 
what would you think ? 
ill be happy to find something to get to sleep better during my tapering journey

 

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Hello 

insomnia is part of the worth symptoms on WD…. Most of reviews says that linden méthod is a Marketer and not worth spending money on his method. 
what would you think ? 
ill be happy to find something to get to sleep better during my tapering journey

 

https://getselfhelp.co.uk/sleep-insomnia-self-help/

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this is good for a sudden attack of nerves

 

not sure if it would help a lot during acute WD but might be worth a try

 

unfortunately the video starts with "dramatic music" which could be anxiety producing itself, so I copied the link at 6 seconds into the video to avoid it

 

 

  • pysch med history: 1974 @ age 18 to Oct 2017 (approx 43 yrs total)
  •  Drug list: stelazine, haldol, elavil, lithium, zoloft, celexa, lexapro(doses as high as 40mgs), klonopin, ambien, seroquel(high doses), depakote, zyprexa, lamictal- plus brief trials of dozens of other psych meds over the years
  • started lexapro 2002, dose varied from 20mgs to 40mgs. I tried to get off it several times. WD symptoms were mistaken for "relapse". 
  •  2013 too fast taper down to 5mg but WD forced me back to 20mgs
  •  June of 2105, tapered again too rapidly to 2.5mgs by Dec 2015. Found SA, held at 2.5 mgs til May 2016 when I foolishly "jumped off". Crashed in Sept, reinstated at 0.3mgs in Oct. 2106
  • Tapered off to zero by  Oct. 2017 Doing very well
  • Nov. 2018 feel 95% healed, current age 63 
  • Jan. 2020 feel 100% healed, peaceful and content 
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I have read something in a small local paper . How to stop morning anxiety written by a counselor. Iam writing this from memory. 
 

The first suggestion she has and says it may be the only thing needed to ease the anxiety- is get up out bed don’t roll over and snuggle and lay there. Try to do it same time everyday. She says laying there you mind starts thinking and ruminating you get sucked in. Next thing you know you are keyed up. Get up and get going shower and breakfast. She said this is probably the easiest change we can make.  
 

So if you have morning anxiety and gets better as day goes by then this may be all you need! 
 

From my experience sleeping late can also make you feel bad or sad or guilty also. 

 

And I have seen results myself from doing this but sometimes life gets me. 
 

Easiest ?  for someone like me with a 40 year habit of working late and sleeping late. Just do it , right! 💪 

 

GET UP !

2000-2013 Paxil - 1 year fast taper

2013-2018 drug merry go round with dr. 
zoloft, cymbalta, lamictal, Prozac.

 Nov. 2018 lexapro 15 mgs, Dec. 2019 to Mar. 2020 10mg. Jul 2020 to October 2020 8.5 ml.
Oct 2020 reinstated to 9 ml.
Apr 2021 to Jul  7ml. Oct 2021 to Jan 2022 5.9ml, Mar 5 2022 5.8 ml, Mar 12 5.7ml, Mar 20 5.6ml, Mar 27 5.5ml, April 23 5.4ml, April 30 5.3ml, May 7 5.2ml,  Jul 9, 5.4ml, 

Klonopin as needed, present Celebrex 200 - 400 mg daily as needed, 1000 to 2000 mg  turmeric Qunol daily as needed, Trader Joe’s omega 3, Prilosec very rarely if desperate 

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On 9/24/2022 at 1:17 PM, Heath said:

I have read something in a small local paper . How to stop morning anxiety written by a counselor. Iam writing this from memory. 
 

The first suggestion she has and says it may be the only thing needed to ease the anxiety- is get up out bed don’t roll over and snuggle and lay there. Try to do it same time everyday. She says laying there you mind starts thinking and ruminating you get sucked in. Next thing you know you are keyed up. Get up and get going shower and breakfast. She said this is probably the easiest change we can make.  
 

So if you have morning anxiety and gets better as day goes by then this may be all you need! 
 

From my experience sleeping late can also make you feel bad or sad or guilty also. 

 

And I have seen results myself from doing this but sometimes life gets me. 
 

Easiest ?  for someone like me with a 40 year habit of working late and sleeping late. Just do it , right! 💪 

 

GET UP !


so I found another article that is almost identical to the one in newspaper. I know everything doesn’t apply to everyone but there are some good information for anxiety. 
Link below 

https://nickwignall.com/morning-anxiety/

2000-2013 Paxil - 1 year fast taper

2013-2018 drug merry go round with dr. 
zoloft, cymbalta, lamictal, Prozac.

 Nov. 2018 lexapro 15 mgs, Dec. 2019 to Mar. 2020 10mg. Jul 2020 to October 2020 8.5 ml.
Oct 2020 reinstated to 9 ml.
Apr 2021 to Jul  7ml. Oct 2021 to Jan 2022 5.9ml, Mar 5 2022 5.8 ml, Mar 12 5.7ml, Mar 20 5.6ml, Mar 27 5.5ml, April 23 5.4ml, April 30 5.3ml, May 7 5.2ml,  Jul 9, 5.4ml, 

Klonopin as needed, present Celebrex 200 - 400 mg daily as needed, 1000 to 2000 mg  turmeric Qunol daily as needed, Trader Joe’s omega 3, Prilosec very rarely if desperate 

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