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Hi All.

 

Kelly Brogan has a new book ready to come out but a lot of the booksellers are blacklisting it because it puts "big pharma" in a very bad light.

 

The book can be pre-ordered here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mind-Your-Own-Depression-Reclaim-ebook/dp/B013XULIHM/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1458203506&sr=1-1&keywords=kelly+brogan

 

And more information about the reasons behind the book having problems in coming out can be found here:

 

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/why-media-so-afraid-woman-s-work-4

 

The book seems to be aimed at the female angle but don't let that dissuade the male forum members.

 

I'm going to buy this book, and the more of us that do, we will start to change the attitude of doctors who are prescribing these poisons that have taken so many lives.

 

Who's going to join me?  If so then a request has been made below by Kelly which will garner more support.

 

 

A Call For Your Grassroots Support

We are asking you to join our grassroots campaign to get this book into the hands of as many women and men who need it, organically.   Here’s where we need your help.

In honor of our David vs Goliath fight, I am asking you to:

1. Call your local bookstore – the one you haven’t been to in a while – and ask if they are stocking the book (if not they will order it). Go grab a copy for yourself and every person you love.
2. Take a selfie with the book at your local bookstore.
3. Post this pic on Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram with the hashtag #amindofyourown and tag your location!

 

 

Namaste,

DC.

1997 - 2001 Seroxat 10mg

2001 - 2013 Escitalopram 10mg

Gradual taper from 10mg to 5mg over 2.5 years (between 2011 - 2013)

Last taper from 5mg to 0 under advice from doctor done in 1 month (too damn fast!) - included missing out days.

Have been drug free since Oct 2013.  - Yep 5 years drugs free

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She sent out a mass email,,,Amazon sold out...I don't think she's going to lack for an audience. Just read your post re: Lactium. The book has a section on sleep, maybe some ideas that might help you (all of us) out.

1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13

Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15

11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)

9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

56 years old

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Kelly Brogan

 

MEDICAL DOCTOR

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Kelly Brogan, MD, studied cognitive neuroscience at MIT before receiving her MD from Weill Cornell Medical College. Board certified in psychiatry, psychosomatic medicine, and integrative holistic medicine, she is one of the only doctors in the nation with this unique combination credentials

A Mind of Your Own offers an achievable, step-by-step 30-day action plan—including powerful dietary interventions, targeted nutrient support, detoxification, sleep, and stress reframing techniques—women can use to heal their bodies, alleviate inflammation, and feel like themselves again without a single prescription.

I had hoped it would be a how to cure wd book but how to never take antidepressant is what it is about. 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Hi Meime,

 

Have you read it?   If you have, what do you think?  I am debating whether to get it on my Kindle.

 

Regarding her sleep advice, based on what she advised on her website, I purchased a homeopathic remedy that allegedly helps people get back to sleep.   I know many people think it is a sham but since I have had success with another item that relieved pain after my septoplasty, I am game.    And if it doesn't work, I have only wasted $6.

Drug cocktail 1995 - 2010
Started taper of Adderall, Wellbutrin XL, Remeron, and Doxepin in 2006
Finished taper on June 10, 2010

Temazepam on a PRN basis approximately twice a month - 2014 to 2016

Beginning in 2017 - Consumption increased to about two times per week

April 2017 - Increased to taking it full time for insomnia

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I have it, I have just read pieces. People who land on this forum are just more complicated than many people...it has a lot of good ideas but is not necessarily going to "fix" everything for us...the damage of psychotropics having been done. But it does have lots of ideas. She has landed in an Eastern, New Age spirituality which of course people will all have their own opinions about. It is worth the price to me, but everyone has their own ideas. With all you've been through, I would think you would find the sleep section interesting, but who knows if it would help...

1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13

Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15

11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)

9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

56 years old

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She sent out a mass email,,,Amazon sold out...I don't think she's going to lack for an audience. Just read your post re: Lactium. The book has a section on sleep, maybe some ideas that might help you (all of us) out.

 

Yes the more I read in to this, the more I feel easily led. 

 

The book is said to be blacklisted..... but Amazon has it (so surely that can't be entirely true).

 

A twitter / facebook campaign aimed at getting awareness which in return will mean more conversions to sales. 

 

May be it's just my suspicious mind kicking in but I think this could very well be a marketing strategy.

1997 - 2001 Seroxat 10mg

2001 - 2013 Escitalopram 10mg

Gradual taper from 10mg to 5mg over 2.5 years (between 2011 - 2013)

Last taper from 5mg to 0 under advice from doctor done in 1 month (too damn fast!) - included missing out days.

Have been drug free since Oct 2013.  - Yep 5 years drugs free

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CS (and this might be for everyone), I think the hs-CRP might be a good test for you. It measures the general level of inflammation in the body, and if it is part of your problem, it might guide your efforts. Note that the functional med doctors want it 1 or lower whereas up to 3 is considered normal in traditional medicine. Mine is 4.9. Recently I have read that when they look at huge groups of people, those with bipolar disorder have more gene mutations in the genes that manage energy production and inflammation. Which is irrelevant to this thread,..

1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13

Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15

11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)

9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

56 years old

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Thanks Meime,  I will probably get it as it sounds interesting even if all of it may not apply.

 

Thanks for the suggestion on the hs-CRP test.   I will have to think about whether it is worth asking my PCP for this test or not.   

Drug cocktail 1995 - 2010
Started taper of Adderall, Wellbutrin XL, Remeron, and Doxepin in 2006
Finished taper on June 10, 2010

Temazepam on a PRN basis approximately twice a month - 2014 to 2016

Beginning in 2017 - Consumption increased to about two times per week

April 2017 - Increased to taking it full time for insomnia

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I "think" she said inflammation in the pineal gland can cause major sleep breakdown

1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13

Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15

11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)

9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

56 years old

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I "think" she said inflammation in the pineal gland can cause major sleep breakdown

Wow, I guess now I have to get the book to read about this.   

Drug cocktail 1995 - 2010
Started taper of Adderall, Wellbutrin XL, Remeron, and Doxepin in 2006
Finished taper on June 10, 2010

Temazepam on a PRN basis approximately twice a month - 2014 to 2016

Beginning in 2017 - Consumption increased to about two times per week

April 2017 - Increased to taking it full time for insomnia

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I "think" she said inflammation in the pineal gland can cause major sleep breakdown

That is interesting I think it was antidepressant.com/pineal 

that said ssri drug cause the pineal glad to calcify 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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I have it,

Anything about tapering or withdrawal or healing from psychotropic drug injury in there?

Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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I have it,

 

Anything about tapering or withdrawal or healing from psychotropic drug injury in there?

I haven't read it all. I have seen comments, but there is no special section. With her patients, she tries to address the issues that brought them to drugs, then take them off slowly (and still encounters problems). I didn't see anything in there yet offering a cure for C/t. She has a section on the Fisher Wallace, etc. devices.

1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13

Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15

11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)

9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

56 years old

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 She has a section on the Fisher Wallace, etc. devices.

sorry im ignorant what is this fisher stuff?

Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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I bought it, reading at the moment. I love this book, because she is very straight forward about the harm that antidepressants are doing and offers real advice and plans how to heal your body and mind without the drugs. She is very convincing and I'm so happy that such knowledge is spreading. It might be too late for us, we are already damaged by drugs, but the next generation can be saved by this information. 

 

I can't say if it's useful for the people with withdrawal issues because I haven't gotten to the part of solutions. but I strongly believe that people in withdrawal should also heal their bodies with diet, lifestyle changes, etc. I have gotten so much better with diet and vitamins, in spite of withdrawal. I really do believe in doing many other things to heal your body, instead of just withdrawing and waiting. 

in 2002- 0,5 tablet cipramil for half a year, ended it uneventfully. in 2006 - citalopram for half a year, ended in horrific state, ditched the drugs CT. 2007-2008 not feeling well but drug free. in 2008 prozac 20mg + quetiapine 25mg. 2009 tried to stop, ended up in hole after couple of months, started zoloft. 2009-2011 zoloft 50mg. went to 25mg in 2011 summer, it resulted in half a year horrible suffering. reinstated, changed drugs, nothing happened. by 2012 beginning suddenly felt great and CT meds. after 4 months came suddenly most horrible human suffering that's possible. was started on prozac and questiapine. started tapering slowly, GFCF diet and Hardy Nutritionals vitamins in 2013 summer. 

current medications: 1) fluoxetine and quetiapine since Aug 2012; 2) Daily Essential Nutrients by Hardy Nutritionals 7 capsules / since May 2013 + omega3; 3) Gluten-free-casein-free diet since june 2013

 

Started withdrawing slowly since april 2013. Mostly around 10% cuts. 

April'13 - March'14: fluoxetine 40mg -> 19,5mg; quetiapine 50mg -> 40mg
April'14-March'15: fluoxetine 19,5mg -> 14,4mg; quetiapine 40mg -> 22mg

April'15-March'16: fluoxetine 14,4mg -> 7,4mg; quetiapine 22mg -> 15mg

April'16-March'17: fluoxetine 7,4mg -> 5,0mg; quetiapine 15mg -> 7,25mg

April'17-March'18: fluoxetine 5,0mg -> 4,0mg; quetiapine 7,25mg -> 0 (as of 1st Feb 2018)!!!!

April´18-March´19: fluoxetine 4,0mg - > 2,3mg. Jumped off fluoxetine 1,4mg due to pregnancy in July 2019. Oct 2019 severe withdrawal syndrome started.

Took mistakenly a complex for hormonal support that included pregnenolone dec2019-april2020. Stopped it april 2020 and immediately severe akathisia started. Have had life threatening akathisia since, 100% disabled, suicidal, very hard to hold on. 

 

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 She has a section on the Fisher Wallace, etc. devices.

sorry im ignorant what is this fisher stuff?

 

Google :Phttp://www.fisherwallace.com/

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Current from 6 Feb 2021:  Pristiq 0.365 mg

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

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I borrowed a copy of the audiobook from the library.  Interesting read, she says a lot of things that my functional medicine Dr used to say.  She does not offer specific advice on tapering, which I was hoping for.  She does offer lots of advice about how to live healthy including a 4 week plan to get your body ready to taper.

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Nortriptylene
Started 2009 at 50, went up to 75
7/15/16 reduced nortriptylene from 75 to 50
2010 60 mg bus-par
2014 300 mg welbutrin-tapering now
2015 5 mg abilify-off as of 4/2016
2014 10 mg cyclobenzaprine<p>
PRN: Xanax .25, Zyprexa 10, Ambien 5, Nuvigil

Tried along the way : Cymbalta, Prozac, zyprexa, protriptylene, amitriptylene, Fetzima, Lamictal, lexapro, trazadone,

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As promised I have bought the book and have started reading it at the weekend.

 

So far the information about big pharma seems to be spot on with my beliefs. I know the book is aimed at the female market but being male I can also relate to some of the items that Kelly is writing about. I wouldn't let gender be an obstacle to any body that is thinking about buying the book.

 

Namaste,

 

DC.

1997 - 2001 Seroxat 10mg

2001 - 2013 Escitalopram 10mg

Gradual taper from 10mg to 5mg over 2.5 years (between 2011 - 2013)

Last taper from 5mg to 0 under advice from doctor done in 1 month (too damn fast!) - included missing out days.

Have been drug free since Oct 2013.  - Yep 5 years drugs free

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Thanks cc

i didnt go any further beyond this paragraph.

 

The Fisher Wallace Stimulator® is cleared by the FDA for the treatment of depression and anxiety. During each 20-minute treatment session (once or twice a day), the device stimulates the brain to produce serotonin and other neurochemicals required for healthy mood, without causing the side effects of medication. Patients may use the device with or without medication, but should not reduce their current medication without first speaking to their doctor.

 

"The Fisher Wallace Stimulator the device stimulates the brain to produce serotonin and other neurochemicals required for healthy mood, "

 

What a lot of nonsense if Brogan is pushing this stuff then im sorry but i am disappointed.

 

So this seems to be operating from the premise that there is a chemical imbalance ...that is just speculation in fact some studies have shown that drugs given that  reduce serotonin have not triggered depression they seem to show the reverse effect.

The reserpine studies showed that rather than making healthy people depressed it in fact made depressed people better. Funny how these placebo controlled studies are totally ignored....for  obvious reasons i guess.

Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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  She does not offer specific advice on tapering, which I was hoping for.  She does offer lots of advice about how to live healthy including a 4 week plan to get your body ready to taper.

Well thats disappointing to say the least.

 

Whats the point of getting people ready for tapering and then remaining silent.....

Wouldnt that be like going skydiving without being given a parachute?

Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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If you have a spare half hour listen to this podcast. Nice to know some doctors have professional integrity. Ultimately she is exposing the pharmacy industry for what it is, a pack of murdering liars. I'm in love with this woman. Just ordered her book.

 

http://seancroxton.com/008-kelly-brogan/

<p>Various benzos 4 months for insomnia prior to Effexor 37.5mg may 2014 for two weeks, Mirtazapine 30mg june 2014 - feb 2015.Pristiq 50 mg Feb 2015. six weeks later attempted coming off with a six week taper. ten days off and it got ugly. Tapering now using compounded pristiq with slow release agent. 37.5 mg 3 weeks, 30 mg 6 weeks, 25mg 4.5 weeks, 20mg for 6 weeks, 17.5 mgs 7 weeks, 20 mg 8 weeks, 19 mg 3 weeks, 18 mg 3 weeks, 17 mg 3 weeks, 16 mg 3 weeks, 15mg 2 weeks, 14mg 2 weeks, 13 mgs 2 weeks, 12 mgs 6 weeks, 11mg 3 weeks, 10.5mg 2 weeks, 10 mg 3.5 weeks. 9mg 4 weeks. Jumped at 8mg currently 16 months free

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 'a pack of murdering liars' wow great phrase.

 

Thanks for posting this.

What a wonderful interview gee that gal sure can articulate stuff very well...and at speed.

 

Loved it when she said "We were taught bullsh#t".(30mins)...when she learnt she had been believing false paradigms she says...."i was pissed."

"i dont prescribe anymore"

To people who say those involved in drug violence should be given more drugs she says "bullsh#t".

 

That host was pretty damn good too...a very intelligent guy.

Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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Hello fellow kiwi nz11. I just had to share. Gosh if she was my doctor she would have identified my problems as hormonal instead of labelling me depressed and anxious. What a breath of fresh air. Everything she says makes perfect sense. So relatable, so personable and articulate, just the kind of person we need on our side. Justice will be served with the likes of Kelly at the helm. It's inexplicable as to how this is not mainstream thinking in the medical profession. We can only hope that one day it will be.

<p>Various benzos 4 months for insomnia prior to Effexor 37.5mg may 2014 for two weeks, Mirtazapine 30mg june 2014 - feb 2015.Pristiq 50 mg Feb 2015. six weeks later attempted coming off with a six week taper. ten days off and it got ugly. Tapering now using compounded pristiq with slow release agent. 37.5 mg 3 weeks, 30 mg 6 weeks, 25mg 4.5 weeks, 20mg for 6 weeks, 17.5 mgs 7 weeks, 20 mg 8 weeks, 19 mg 3 weeks, 18 mg 3 weeks, 17 mg 3 weeks, 16 mg 3 weeks, 15mg 2 weeks, 14mg 2 weeks, 13 mgs 2 weeks, 12 mgs 6 weeks, 11mg 3 weeks, 10.5mg 2 weeks, 10 mg 3.5 weeks. 9mg 4 weeks. Jumped at 8mg currently 16 months free

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KB says that she has patients that taper at one thousandth of a mg a month.

I wonder how they measure that? Thats some high powered scale.

 

"[ad] withdrawal i would argue is potentially the worst of all chemical withdrawals, i cannot think of a chemical on earth that is more challenging to come off of than 15 yrs on celexa' for example. I have patients in my practice that i taper off by one thousandth of a mg a month. I have never heard of someone struggling to come off of heroin or oxycontin at this rate. I have never heard of anything comparable to this it is so disabling that patients develop neurologic symptoms, they  develop cataclismic mood syndromes, they develop impulsivity and violence totally out of character for them. Its pretty horrifying."

Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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one mention to Rosie they talk about SSRI stories...  Rosie Meysenburg started and owned that work. 

 

The rest kind of blows my mind for other people I am not sure what it offers me at this point in my recovery and I won't know until I read the book.  

 

Question the companion series I could not make out what it was called did anybody catch the title?  I think I am going deaf... 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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KB says that she has patients that taper at one thousandth of a mg a month.

I wonder how they measure that? Thats some high powered scale.

 

"[ad] withdrawal i would argue is potentially the worst of all chemical withdrawals, i cannot think of a chemical on earth that is more challenging to come off of than 15 yrs on celexa' for example. I have patients in my practice that i taper off by one thousandth of a mg a month. I have never heard of someone struggling to come off of heroin or oxycontin at this rate. I have never heard of anything comparable to this it is so disabling that patients develop neurologic symptoms, they  develop cataclismic mood syndromes, they develop impulsivity and violence totally out of character for them. Its pretty horrifying."

 

Now to get this to all those who use to love me and convince them... like she said living it is convincing beyond that people don't believe it.  

I hope she has something to offer those of use who have been drugged more then 15 years.  

 

I wish she had talked about all the off label prescribing too. 

 

But the biggest miss was Grace E Jacksons work... to my mind that is huge. 

 

Ok those are the things I found missing everything else seems right on... it could spare a lot of people the trap we are in.  One bad thing about that they will never learn how to cure wd... if there is a way and maybe there isn't a way for some of us. 

 

Still very hopeful it catches on. 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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She sent out a mass email,,,Amazon sold out...I don't think she's going to lack for an audience. Just read your post re: Lactium. The book has a section on sleep, maybe some ideas that might help you (all of us) out.

http://www.amazon.com/Mind-Your-Own-Depression-Reclaim/dp/0062405578/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

 

there are plenty available

Getting off Amitriptyline 25 mg, on 12.5 mg now. 50 mg to 25 mg; Cymbalta 60 mg, currently 30 mg/day for 15 days. Decided to cut open remaining 60 mg capsules and take the little tablets inside. 6 = 30 mg. If need be, I can up the dosage, but aside from a bit of toe pain I am ok.UPDATE: >>>>> Amitriptyline 25 mg 1992- ??? ----- 50 mg until March 21, 2016. 2016 - then 25 mg <<<<<went to 20 mg of Amitriptyline, and down 5 tiny tabs of Cymbalta. (less than 30 mg now. cut Klonopin to 1/4 mg now. Trazadone 50 mg 4/14/16Variety of ADs, Buspar, Effexor, Celexa, Zoloft, Wellbutrin (to quit smoking. Success!) Cymbalta, Klonopin from '95 to present.Norco (Vicodin or Hydrocodone) '92 to 2014 - cold turkey - minor issuesHad 1 day with withdrawal symptoms - dealing mostly with Side Effects. April 7, 2016: now taking Ami 12.5 and Cymbalta 30 mg. (in bead form) still 1/2 mg Klonopin. Melatonin 10 mg (have been for years). 1 Trazadone 50 mg for sleep. Amino Acids, Omega 3,6 and 9 w/DHA. Turmeric and Ibuprofen for pain,Tramadol, 50 mg, as needed (PRN) - take maybe 1 per day for Fibro pain. Had one day of very swollen calves and ankles, one day of lumps on calves, all better. Today the toes, lasted 2 hrs, now gone. Important to note I am getting off these drugs BECAUSE of multiple side effects. BM much better, I have an appetite and crave healthy foods again. More energy, but not nervous. Sleeping great, much easier to rise, ok with 7 hrs/sleep, used to need 9 or 10.No burning toes 2nd day. Doing well so far. 4/14/16. legs, ankles still an issue, but less so. <p>
4/21/16.>>>> went to 4 tablets Cymbalta and 15 mg Ami and cut Klonpin to 1/8.
UPDATE: 5/5/16 - 15 mg Amitriptyline, 3 tablet Cymbalta (there are 12 in a 60 mg capsule,) very little Klonopin, 50 mg Trazadone, 10 mg Melatonin, Inositol and Ashwagandha. Tramadol PRN.
---- feeling great - no addl. symptoms , only 3 times something like you all list here. leg/ankle swelling still an issue, but not so much-----

6/5/2016 - All done, except for Trazadone. 50mg/nt is all. It is next, in a couple of months. No more Tramadol either - that was unintentionally, but hey, I am not complaining. I am using Kratom once or twice daily.

6/13/2016 - 25 mg of trazadone. 
Doctor is happy for me how well this is all going. :) Almost done with it all!!

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There has always been something about the pineal gland that draws me in like an answer hides there.  I searched Kelly's site... for pineal... a few hits in comments on scary... look for yourself if you want.  This one hit on Hpv vaccine... 

 

http://kellybroganmd.com/hpv-vaccine-katie-couric/

 

is really ringing bells for me low vit D ... B1 has been a God send to me at times..histamine 

I will post a few of the titles from the article so you get the gist of it... and how much it is like me at least and maybe some of you...

 

it starts with this:

The Gardasil HPV is actually targeting people of Irish, Scottish, English and Northern European ancestry who carry certain genetic mutations:

Four Year Analysis of Adverse Reactions to the Gardasil HPV Vaccine
by Lloyd W. Phillips
Copyright ©2013 Lloyd W. Phillips

ABSTRACT
Prolonged inflammation initiated by powerful vaccine adjuvants such as Amorphous Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate (AAHS), may be life-threatening and/or result in cognitive and motor skill disorders in those individuals with multiple genetic mutations which affect:
1) Transsulfuration (such as CBS 699t),
2) Glutathione production and utilization (such as GSTM1), and
3) Pathogen Load (such as HLA-DR15).
Although other mutations may contribute to the cascade of debilitating events, such as C282Y, which is associated with Hemochromatosis, the above three genetic conditions formed the core group in this study.
Concomitant (multiple) vaccinations may increase the severity of adverse reactions.

I have not been tested and have no idea of what genetics could have to do with this prolonged trouble... but others have so a bit of list above you may relate to. 

 

Physical Activity as a Risk Factor for an Adverse Vaccine Reaction

Syncope / Fainting

Head Pressure (acute)

Vitamin D - plummets 

Intracellular Magnesium

Symptoms of Vitamin B1 Deficiency (Beriberi): Thiamine tetrahydrofurfuryl disulfide

Genetics and Pathogens

Genetics and Transsulfuration

Interstitial Cystitis

Histamine Intolerance and Sustained Inflammation

Insomnia

This is where I got the hit on pineal so I will post it ... 
Insomnia was present in the majority of the subjects. We attribute this to the pineal gland possibly being inhibited by cortisol as a result of inflammation, including inflammation associated with the newly acquired histamine intolerance.
is that our clue... maybe the word possibly says it can only be a maybe
 
Pathogens and Body Burden
it goes on to list parasites and other things.. and the last one is pregnancy... which seems to cause all symptoms to go away...
"Several girls became pregnant during this four year study, and in each case their symptoms subsided for the length of the pregnancy. We hypothesize that elevated levels of Interleukin-10, released during pregnancy, attenuates inflammation, which is key to this syndrome."
 
This makes me wonder at the test I had just prior to quitting all drugs. where my hormons were all over the map 7 tests with 6 different results...one showing pregnancy was my body trying to heal this and could not find the right combination
 
 
What do you think of the list I know this may be in a bad place but I have not been feeling so hot of late and so here it will stay unless somebody wants to move it... I am not going to worry about it.
It sounds like me but so many things do just ask google I have spent 9 years asking google searching here and there... had most things on this list... since wd started still cycle thru many... not sure but it is checking a lot of boxes for me.  We are not all the same some of us are different so for some of us this may be worth a look.

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Penial Gland  in  multiple chemical Sensitivity injured folks... 

 

failure of the pineal gland... conversion tryptophan to melatonin

http://www.rileyjacksonlaw.com/Pages/Traumatic-Brain-Injury-Case/

 

 

can;t copy from it as it is pdf I don't know how to do that

lots of hormone talk which I can't read just now some for men too which is different testosterone low sex binding hormone is high... both hypothalmic at the base of the problem

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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All I can possibly contribute is that leaky gut is progressively being seen as the cause of MCS per Josh Axe in Eat Dirt.

1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13

Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15

11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)

9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

56 years old

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She sent out a mass email,,,Amazon sold out...I don't think she's going to lack for an audience. Just read your post re: Lactium. The book has a section on sleep, maybe some ideas that might help you (all of us) out.

 

Yes the more I read in to this, the more I feel easily led. 

 

The book is said to be blacklisted..... but Amazon has it (so surely that can't be entirely true).

 

A twitter / facebook campaign aimed at getting awareness which in return will mean more conversions to sales. 

 

May be it's just my suspicious mind kicking in but I think this could very well be a marketing strategy.

 

Hey Daddy - 

 

NaturalNews reported it as "banned" and "blacklisted"

 

What this means, according to interviews with Kelly Brogan - is that she is not allowed to talk about the book on media outlets who receive drug company money, "Our sponsers do not approve."

 

This does not mean that the book is banned, or that she cannot discuss it in other outlets - like Twitter, etc.

 

I do not think it is a marketing device - Big Pharma may put something in her Green Tea, if she's not careful.  I think she is challenging a paradigm which earns the networks (and print media - which is all in a state of financial decay) criticism from their sponsors, and they don't dare challenge it.

 

As far as the advice in the book - it needs to be heard by most of mainstream America - but since she doesn't offer tapering advice, that means we will get more traffic here in SA, as people "go off their meds" and run into trouble.  Especially since very few of them can consult with Dr. Brogan personally.

 

The advantage of this book is it gives MD's (if they will listen) some alternate views to consider.

"Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna

 

Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again.

 

My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices.

 

A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia.   CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013.   Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine).     Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 -  Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years  on Lithium).  Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made.


The tedious thread (my intro):  JanCarol ☼ Reboxetine first, then Lithium

The happy thread (my success story):  JanCarol - Undiagnosed  Off all bipolar drugs

My own blog:  https://shamanexplorations.com/shamans-blog/

 

 

I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016!

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For any doctor that wanted to know Glenmullen Healy Breggin Grace E Jackson Whitaker .... the list goes on... all off the top of my head ... there are two more recent ones with more difficult names.... PLOs... studies... so much if doctors wanted or were seeking an alternative we don't have a shortage .. they are not seeking they are not looking.  

 

Pharma taught them or their teachers and pharma will have to unteach them or their teachers... or we do not stand a chance this is how I really feel as I have been living this 30 years and reading about it for 8 

 

Now if she taught doctors we would have a chance with a few but that is not going to happen till change does... how I don't know... suddenly tired and confused. 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Thanks cc

i didnt go any further beyond this paragraph.

 

The Fisher Wallace Stimulator® is cleared by the FDA for the treatment of depression and anxiety. During each 20-minute treatment session (once or twice a day), the device stimulates the brain to produce serotonin and other neurochemicals required for healthy mood, without causing the side effects of medication. Patients may use the device with or without medication, but should not reduce their current medication without first speaking to their doctor.

 

"The Fisher Wallace Stimulator the device stimulates the brain to produce serotonin and other neurochemicals required for healthy mood, "

 

What a lot of nonsense if Brogan is pushing this stuff then im sorry but i am disappointed.

 

So this seems to be operating from the premise that there is a chemical imbalance ...that is just speculation in fact some studies have shown that drugs given that  reduce serotonin have not triggered depression they seem to show the reverse effect.

The reserpine studies showed that rather than making healthy people depressed it in fact made depressed people better. Funny how these placebo controlled studies are totally ignored....for  obvious reasons i guess.

At one point I heard the AP lower serotonin after you had too much of an Ad your primed for a AP... and around you go eat some pills ... I agree about the stimulator it is back to serotonin and "other" ... not good enough... "other"  lab rats rebel..........

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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All I can possibly contribute is that leaky gut is progressively being seen as the cause of MCS per Josh Axe in Eat Dirt.

Not according to this doctor

https://www.amazon.c...n/dp/0471292141

 

 

Chemical Brain Injury

by Kaye H. Kilburn, M.D.

 

Book Review

Chemical Brain Injury by Kaye H. Kilburn, M.D

 

SOURCE: University of Southern California, School of Medicine

 

Chemical Brain Injury by Kaye H. Kilburn, M.D. Raises Provocative

Questions, Provides Disturbing Conclusions

 

LOS ANGELES--(BW HealthWire)--Sept. 10, 2001--Kaye H. Kilburn, M.D., Ralph

Edgington Professor of Medicine, University of Southern California, Keck

School of Medicine, Laboratory for Environmental Sciences, has released

Chemical Brain Injury, a nineteen-chapter text published by John Wiley &

Sons, Inc., that examines knowledge of causation, treatment and prognosis

for this fast-growing medical phenomenon affecting 15 to 30 per cent of the

population.

 

Chemical Brain Injury, the definitive volume on adverse effects of chemical

exposure on the human brain, focuses on how common everyday chemicals

affect the brain. It synthesizes the work of more than two decades of study

and treatment and 45 published papers. Chemical Brain Injury makes a

significant contribution to the environmental health profession by

providing scientific evidence for the neurotoxic effects of commonly used

chemicals, and the methodology for testing effects of exposure.

 

Environmental health professionals and the research community are working

to develop a solid scientific foundation for the world to deal with

increasing numbers of environmentally-related health problems. Efforts are

focused on determining the causes of environmentally-related diseases and

disorders and identifying ways to prevent them. Chemical Brain Injury is

based on Dr. Kilburn's extensive work with patients and communities

suffering from braininjuries resulting from accidental and occupational

environmental chemical exposure.

 

Dr. Kilburn began his exploration of chemical brain injury as a skeptic. By

the early 1980s, he was well known in environmental medicine and

occupational health, having demonstrated that airways-obstruction caused

the Monday-morning asthma from cotton dust in textile workers, which led to

the Cotton Dust Standard. He had shown how asbestos scarred the lungs'

small airways, trapping air and reducing vital capacity; and that welding

fumes, aluminum refining, diesel exhaust and formaldehyde caused asthma by

narrowing small airways. But it was these latter workers' complaints of

memory loss, inability to concentrate, dizziness, lightheadedness, and loss

of balance that led him to consider how to measure brain function.

 

He borrowed and adapted tests and built devices to measure brain

activities.  He discovered how symptoms predicted losses of balance,

quickness and strength, and loss of vision for color and form. Nearly 500

patients exposed to chemicals were evaluated, and 4,000 people exposed in

groups were evaluated for chemical effects. Statistical analysis of data on

individuals and groups in cities, towns and rural areas provided

complementary insights.

 

His tests included some of the usual psychological tests, but also included

precise and objective tests of balance, reaction times, vision and hearing.

Often the observed differences between chemically exposed and unexposed

were so great, and variability within each group so small, that the

probability of test differences appearing by chance was negligible.

Disturbingly, many of the control groups were found to be significantly

impaired, compared to four groups that seemed least exposed. Dr. Kilburn

finally had to admit that we all may become impaired by the ubiquitous

toxic chemical exposures that float through the air and contaminate our

water, food, and the earth.

 

Dr. Kilburn states that conditions including MCS, fibromyalgia, chronic

fatigue, sick building and Gulf War syndromes, chronic Lyme disease,

asthma, ADHD, and others may seem different, but research has demonstrated

they all may be induced by chemicals.

 

With impeccable credentials, Dr. Kilburn has often been an expert witness,

and his testimony is unassailable in court. In many of the legal cases

where he found significant differences, the exposed people received

substantial settlements. These results do not satisfy Dr. Kilburn, however,

who wants to make the public aware of chemical brain damage, which often

masquerades as accelerated aging or premature Alzheimer's Disease. ``We

don't need a senile population to face up to our problems.''

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Hi All - Just wanted to chime in here to say that I am a patient of Dr. Brogan. Saw her first a couple yrs ago. Did all the blood work, following her diet recommendations. Unfortunately for me I am unable to tolerate supplements so have not been able to take any she prescribed for me except B12 injection once a month.  I am hoping that will change. The diet changes have helped with digestive issues.

 

She understands the sensitivity and suggested I see a homeopath. I did that for a period and I think it helped some but as with most treatments it eventually aggravated symptoms. After stopping the homeopathic treatment i found that i needed to make cuts more frequently. I am doing a micro taper off Lexapro using compounding pharmacy. aprox 1% per cut. Since the homoepathic work I found that I could only stay at each dose aprox 2 wks at which point the side effect symptoms would kick in and I'd have to make another cut. sometimes the transition is smooth and sometimes there are a few bumpy days. I am down to .4 mg of lexapro.

Both Brogan and the homeopath helped me to understand that meditation and relaxation are very effective for me since stress is very aggravating for me.

 

I will be seeing her next week for a check in since it has been a while. I want to discuss symptoms and see if there are any diet changes I might make to help things along.

 

I am grateful to her for her work. I only wish there was someone doing that kind of in depth research on what happens to a body in severe w/d and how to treat it.

 

Best,

 

Pokeshaw in Bklyn

7 yrs Lexapro 10 mg. Mar/2011 - 1 month taper. Severe W/D. Multiple symptoms.Gallbladder and parathyroid surgery in Aug and Oct. Disability 3 months.  Dec/2011 reinstated 5mg Lex and went back to work. very bad shape.

By Aug/2012 - self tapered to 1.25 mg cutting pills. -very bad shape. Nov/2012  Dr. Hinz neuro-replete. up and down. Aug/2013 at aprox 1.0 mg Lex stopped neuro-replete ~Oct 2013 Found this site  ~ began using compounded Lexapro and have been micro tapering since then and holding as needed.

11/6/2013 -  0.6 mg

2/1/2018 - .135 mg  Now reducing 5-10% per month 

4/1/18 - .1 mg

4/17/18 - changed delivery from compounded individual caps to aliquot. went from .1 mg to .09 aliquot

7/4/2018 - .09 mg Holding due to wave of W/D symptoms

7/22/18 updosed to .1 mg aliquot

9/30/18 - reduced to .0975 aliquot

2/1/19 - updosed to .1 mg aliquot due to instability bad wave W/D

9/12/19 - back to .1 mg individual caps since could not get stable using aliquot

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". I only wish there was someone doing that kind of in depth research on what happens to a body in severe w/d and how to treat it.

"

 

This is what we all want and she is not doing it... Grace E Jackson was starting but then seemed to fall of the earth... 

 

She has some attempts and ideas some like B12 may help if you could take it I know I can't... neither can many others... all the questions are still there. Preventing some from taking these drugs may be the biggest use of this book.  Again not to help us folks already in the fire so much... unless of course she is doing something wonderful and you come back and report about it... from the book I don't see any new revelations that will help us so far. 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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