powerback Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 11 hours ago, Altostrata said: pb, can you determine what effect Prozac has on you? How do you feel in the several hours after you take it? Tension=high anxiety =high/anticipatory anxiety =very high. intrusive/racing thoughts =high Agoraphobia =high Headaches =high Mental akathisia = high Noise sensitivity =high Mid afternoon fatigue =very high ,the mornings are back to being a nightmare . to me it looks like taking the Effexor away has ramped these up ,thus making me wonder about upping Prozac,A Dr would want me on at least 10mg ide say . Thanks Alto ,I'm very aware this a mess but it was my decision [switch] .the clinical phycologist i seen months ago recommended Prozac by the questionnaire i filed out .i never got to the point of what he thinks the dose should be [probably past 20mg ide say ] He instantly blamed me for my issues and dismissed all withdrawal talk and when i challenged him about evidence for me doing this to myself he looked through me [who's going to listen to me when he's walls are full of nice picture frames with accredited diplomas from wherever it may be ,I'm triggered by the building so its not an option to go near him again . For all my DRs ignorance he is a fairly cool guy ,everywhere i turn seems to be the Prozac route . We need disaster stories like mine so as people have cases to remind themselves of how bad it gets and ground themselves that they will be ok if they follow the correct path [tongue in cheek lol] Thanks Alto . Alcohol free since February 2015 1MG diazepam 4.5MG PROZAC. Link to comment
Martina23 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 11 minutes ago, powerback said: We need disaster stories like mine so as people have cases to remind themselves of how bad it gets and ground themselves that they will be ok if they follow the correct path [tongue in cheek lol] Pb you are again blaming yourself. Please don´t do that. The doctors are to blame not you. That particular doctor who gave this mess to you, he is to blame not you. Just put your head up and tell yourself that you are a wonderful personality who had just bad luck, and that it is not your fault. You don´t deserve that. The doctor is ignorant and stupid and harmful. That is the point. You will feel better. 05/2013 Lyrica 100 mg / per day for pain + PGAD resulting from caesarian delivery11/2014 started to taper: 50 mg per day/ for one week then c/tafter one month reinstated at 50 mg /per days of 10 July 2015 drug free- symptoms OCD Link to comment
powerback Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Martina23 said: Pb you are again blaming yourself. Please don´t do that. The doctors are to blame not you. That particular doctor who gave this mess to you, he is to blame not you. Just put your head up and tell yourself that you are a wonderful personality who had just bad luck, and that it is not your fault. You don´t deserve that. The doctor is ignorant and stupid and harmful. That is the point. You will feel better. Hi Martina thanks for pulling me up on this . I've a very dark sense of humour in to the bargain. Me personally blaming doctors for everything gets me no were these days. Im keeping aware of my self destructive behaviour .not to put a blame on anyone but my upbringing and environment and circumstances created a destructive self critic that's extrodianrly toxic ,its been fed hugely in this process and i cant control it .the fact I'm like this plays into some sort of DSM diagnosis . I have surrounded myself with reasons to keep on the correct path [road blocks ].i have an idea for a couple of drawings or paintings to express this ,your help would be good someday. I have a hurtful memory of drawing a heart[it was very good] for a science exam at 14yrs old ,the teacher took me out of maths class to accuse me off cheating ,on the spot without anyone else around ,this kind of stuff sticks in kids. .ive got loads of toxic memories pushing me to the edge . Alcohol free since February 2015 1MG diazepam 4.5MG PROZAC. Link to comment
btdt Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Hi PB I have written a lot about prozac over the years and some about the prozac bridge tho I never tried it... I tried to find some of my wise already posted words as I am rusty now been gone a long time... I can['t find exactly what I was looking for but my thoughts (experience with prozac are touched on here... as well as a link about how we pick on ourselves in wd....it could be of some use to you. peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Deep despair, dread, doom, horror Barbarannamated posted a topic in Symptoms and self-care Most of us have expressed feeling dread, especially upon awakening. Depression (outside of withdrawal) is often worse in the morning and associated with early morning wakenings. How do dread and depression differ? My early morning cortisol panics have subsided but dread has taken over. I'm r... Neuro-emotions Healing posted a topic in Symptoms and self-care ...ouremotions are on a hair-trigger, amplified, and perseverative. We probably don't even know all of what's going on physically yet, but it includes diminished prefrontal lobe executive functions, rebound amygdala, dysregulated HPA, over-active adrenals, etc. Theneuro-emotions include --. hope some of this helps peace to you WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Martina23 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, powerback said: Hi Martina thanks for pulling me up on this . I've a very dark sense of humour in to the bargain. Me personally blaming doctors for everything gets me no were these days. Im keeping aware of my self destructive behaviour .not to put a blame on anyone but my upbringing and environment and circumstances created a destructive self critic that's extrodianrly toxic ,its been fed hugely in this process and i cant control it .the fact I'm like this plays into some sort of DSM diagnosis . I have surrounded myself with reasons to keep on the correct path [road blocks ].i have an idea for a couple of drawings or paintings to express this ,your help would be good someday. I have a hurtful memory of drawing a heart[it was very good] for a science exam at 14yrs old ,the teacher took me out of maths class to accuse me off cheating ,on the spot without anyone else around ,this kind of stuff sticks in kids. .ive got loads of toxic memories pushing me to the edge . Hi pb, you are right. I have it also. As a child I also felt as the worst from the whole class. I was very shy therefore I looked slow. So the boys gave me various names, it was very unconfortable. Since then I always had to fight not to be enough. Today these boys are policemen or not so good jobs but till now I have a problem to present myself before a huge group, because I see them before my eyes and I am afraid that the people would laugh. Even when they are not better. Actually this I dont say too often. But with the time I tried to live with this. You have to work it through. This teacher had maybe complexes, there are such harsh people, they are not gods. If he would be so good, he woouldnt do a teacher. The old saying says, who knows something does it, who doesn´t know something he teaches it, and who doesnt do or teach then he criticizes it. I know you will overcome this. 05/2013 Lyrica 100 mg / per day for pain + PGAD resulting from caesarian delivery11/2014 started to taper: 50 mg per day/ for one week then c/tafter one month reinstated at 50 mg /per days of 10 July 2015 drug free- symptoms OCD Link to comment
powerback Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Martina23 said: Hi pb, you are right. I have it also. As a child I also felt as the worst from the whole class. I was very shy therefore I looked slow. So the boys gave me various names, it was very unconfortable. Since then I always had to fight not to be enough. Today these boys are policemen or not so good jobs but till now I have a problem to present myself before a huge group, because I see them before my eyes and I am afraid that the people would laugh. Even when they are not better. Actually this I dont say too often. But with the time I tried to live with this. You have to work it through. This teacher had maybe complexes, there are such harsh people, they are not gods. If he would be so good, he woouldnt do a teacher. The old saying says, who knows something does it, who doesn´t know something he teaches it, and who doesnt do or teach then he criticizes it. I know you will overcome this. This teacher was extremely inappropriate ,he would spend half the class talking rubbish and play acting with students .I can see why the elite pay for top schools .anyway deep buried emotions are shooting up like a guizer .these schools turn a blind eye to the students that don't perform like the top students .this is nothing new in Ireland . I dream of being rich and giving these kids the chance and scholarships.this is a nicer dream than what I would have had a few years ago ,that dream would of been filled with all vacuous pointless possessions . Alcohol free since February 2015 1MG diazepam 4.5MG PROZAC. Link to comment
powerback Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 51 minutes ago, btdt said: Deep despair, dread, doom, horror Barbarannamated posted a topic in Symptoms and self-care Most of us have expressed feeling dread, especially upon awakening. Depression (outside of withdrawal) is often worse in the morning and associated with early morning wakenings. How do dread and depression differ? My early morning cortisol panics have subsided but dread has taken over. I'm r... Neuro-emotions Healing posted a topic in Symptoms and self-care ...ouremotions are on a hair-trigger, amplified, and perseverative. We probably don't even know all of what's going on physically yet, but it includes diminished prefrontal lobe executive functions, rebound amygdala, dysregulated HPA, over-active adrenals, etc. Theneuro-emotions include --. hope some of this helps peace to you Thanks btdt. in a dark day like today its all hands on deck.I'm missing some sort of gene to put up with all this .something very creepy is creeping up on me for months .this time of the day is the worst for me .so ile watch the clock and get past it. Take care. Alcohol free since February 2015 1MG diazepam 4.5MG PROZAC. Link to comment
Martina23 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 3 hours ago, powerback said: This teacher was extremely inappropriate ,he would spend half the class talking rubbish and play acting with students .I can see why the elite pay for top schools .anyway deep buried emotions are shooting up like a guizer .these schools turn a blind eye to the students that don't perform like the top students .this is nothing new in Ireland . I dream of being rich and giving these kids the chance and scholarships.this is a nicer dream than what I would have had a few years ago ,that dream would of been filled with all vacuous pointless possessions . You know now I came from work when I was at work we talked to colleagues. I told them that maybe in some other countries there is more democracy and they wouldnt just put my complaint away. They were so nice, they told me that it would be in almost every country because I am alone, if we protest 200 they wouldnt put it away. It calmed me because I thought they do it because I am a foreigner. You can still be rich. Many people were on the street and if they followed their dreams they became rich. You can still do a lot from you (and forget the stupid teacher). And you are already somewhat rich. Because now you see with your soul what is important. So you actually gained a lot. Palace in soul is more important than three hundred cars before the house. So just nurture yourself and see that you have your all life before you. You can still do a lot. 05/2013 Lyrica 100 mg / per day for pain + PGAD resulting from caesarian delivery11/2014 started to taper: 50 mg per day/ for one week then c/tafter one month reinstated at 50 mg /per days of 10 July 2015 drug free- symptoms OCD Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted January 13, 2019 Administrator Share Posted January 13, 2019 powerback -- you're saying these symptoms INCREASE in the hours after you take Prozac? On 1/11/2019 at 3:40 AM, powerback said: Tension=high anxiety =high/anticipatory anxiety =very high. intrusive/racing thoughts =high Agoraphobia =high Headaches =high Mental akathisia = high Noise sensitivity =high Mid afternoon fatigue =very high What time do you take Prozac? What happens in the late afternoon? How's your sleep? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Carmie Posted January 13, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 13, 2019 Hi Powerback, Just wanted to pop around and send you some hugs. I appreciate the encouraging things you write on other people’s threads despite what you’re going through yourself. My brain isn’t functioning great at the moment but I vaguely remember you saying something on another thread about that person jumping on your life raft with you. Did I get that right? Can I join you?😄 Speaking of life rafts, I went to an aqua park the other weekend and they gave you a life jacket. I looooved the life jacket. You can just jump into the water and float, it takes no effort. I really want to buy a life jacket now so I can float in the water when I don’t have the strength to do anything else ( I have CFS ). I’m a major water freak!🌊🌊🌊🌊💦💦💦💦💦 Thanks for the positivity you share despite the pain you’re in💚 Seroquel. 2019:➡️ From 7.25mg to 5.80mg✔️ 2020➡️From 5.60 to 4.80✔️ 2021➡️From 4.60 to 4.0✔️ 2022➡️From 3.95 to 3.55✔️2023➡️ Jan 26=3.50✔️March 17=3.45✔️ June12=3.40✔️ July30=3.35✔️ Sep14=3.30✔️ Oct31=3.25✔️ 2024➡️Jan15=3.20✔️ Feb19=3.15✔️ March26=3.10✔️This is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor. Link to comment
powerback Posted January 13, 2019 Author Share Posted January 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Altostrata said: powerback -- you're saying these symptoms INCREASE in the hours after you take Prozac? What time do you take Prozac? What happens in the late afternoon? How's your sleep? Yep theyve all increased. Yesterday I was like my old self and in bits all in the same day. I had a positive dream lastnight for the first time ever.I was jogging/hiking in the forrest ,a year ago this is was my heaven. Then this morning I wake in sheer terror and suicidal lying in the bed for an hour .it has eased somewhat . Its defo all worse since the change over but still early days I suppose . Answers on a postcard folks 😴. Thanks ALto Alcohol free since February 2015 1MG diazepam 4.5MG PROZAC. Link to comment
powerback Posted January 13, 2019 Author Share Posted January 13, 2019 7 hours ago, Carmie said: Hi Powerback, Just wanted to pop around and send you some hugs. I appreciate the encouraging things you write on other people’s threads despite what you’re going through yourself. My brain isn’t functioning great at the moment but I vaguely remember you saying something on another thread about that person jumping on your life raft with you. Did I get that right? Can I join you?😄 Speaking of life rafts, I went to an aqua park the other weekend and they gave you a life jacket. I looooved the life jacket. You can just jump into the water and float, it takes no effort. I really want to buy a life jacket now so I can float in the water when I don’t have the strength to do anything else ( I have CFS ). I’m a major water freak!🌊🌊🌊🌊💦💦💦💦💦 Thanks for the positivity you share despite the pain you’re in💚 Thanks carmie nice of you to say,im try to absorb commplements rather than swat them away,ive read enough self help to see its the only way to change my toxic mindset .im fighting off the devil negitivity hard alot . Im paying back the suport ive been given myself . Good youve found a way to be in the water while tired . The oven door has come off ,its a week sitting there ,I better try and fix lt lol,keep me busy or frustrated ha. Take care . Alcohol free since February 2015 1MG diazepam 4.5MG PROZAC. Link to comment
thecowisback Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 no answers for you but i hope things to start improving for you very soon xxxx Took prozac 40 mg for 20 years. January 2017 started cutting down prozac by 12.5% a week. End of February 2017 completely off prozac and withdrawals began. Currently taking Levothyroxine 75 mcg, Magnesium citrate 200mg,Sage leaf 50mg daily Amlodipine: October 2017 , discontinued 26 Feb 2019; Candesartan: 26 Feb 2019, 4mg. Discontinued magnesium citrate 200mg Apr 3rd 2019 Reinstated prozac: 14 Jan 2019, 1mg; 26 Jan, 1.5mg; 4 Feb, 2mg; 16 Feb, 2.5mg; 2 Mar, 3mg; 5 Mar, 2.5mg, 23 Mar, 3 mg; 6 Apr, 3.5mg, 14 Apr 4mg, 23 Apr 5mg, 10 Jul 8mg, 1 Dec 20mg, 1 Apr 2020 40mg Link to comment
powerback Posted January 13, 2019 Author Share Posted January 13, 2019 16 minutes ago, thecowisback said: no answers for you but i hope things to start improving for you very soon xxxx Thanks TCIB,im in a weird little window at this minute ,door fixed ,used the mindfulness to stop myself over thinking it with anxiety . We take the little wins . Be safe ,take care . Alcohol free since February 2015 1MG diazepam 4.5MG PROZAC. Link to comment
thecowisback Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 i get really stressed and scared over diy jobs that need doing around the house. well done for managing to fix it!!! that is quite an accomplishment in my book!! Took prozac 40 mg for 20 years. January 2017 started cutting down prozac by 12.5% a week. End of February 2017 completely off prozac and withdrawals began. Currently taking Levothyroxine 75 mcg, Magnesium citrate 200mg,Sage leaf 50mg daily Amlodipine: October 2017 , discontinued 26 Feb 2019; Candesartan: 26 Feb 2019, 4mg. Discontinued magnesium citrate 200mg Apr 3rd 2019 Reinstated prozac: 14 Jan 2019, 1mg; 26 Jan, 1.5mg; 4 Feb, 2mg; 16 Feb, 2.5mg; 2 Mar, 3mg; 5 Mar, 2.5mg, 23 Mar, 3 mg; 6 Apr, 3.5mg, 14 Apr 4mg, 23 Apr 5mg, 10 Jul 8mg, 1 Dec 20mg, 1 Apr 2020 40mg Link to comment
powerback Posted January 13, 2019 Author Share Posted January 13, 2019 Its usually always our though process that stops us ,not the actual job ,ive always did my own work around the house ,im that way inclined ,plus you save loads of money . The last few months the smallest things I cant get my head around but its temporary .I mite of done too much since june,I put floors down,wardodes,painted,took an old conservatory down and put in new energy efficient doors and internal doors ,im a few years trying to get my head around growing my own veg and make a garden . Loads of ideas are making me tired, let alone doing it lol. Alcohol free since February 2015 1MG diazepam 4.5MG PROZAC. Link to comment
thecowisback Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 wow - i wish i was that handy round the house - just changing a door handle is a challenge to me at the moment. i wasn't always this crap at things - i used to be able to put up shelves and stuff like that but after a couple of diy disasters i just catastrophize everything and don't even start the jobs in the first place. Took prozac 40 mg for 20 years. January 2017 started cutting down prozac by 12.5% a week. End of February 2017 completely off prozac and withdrawals began. Currently taking Levothyroxine 75 mcg, Magnesium citrate 200mg,Sage leaf 50mg daily Amlodipine: October 2017 , discontinued 26 Feb 2019; Candesartan: 26 Feb 2019, 4mg. Discontinued magnesium citrate 200mg Apr 3rd 2019 Reinstated prozac: 14 Jan 2019, 1mg; 26 Jan, 1.5mg; 4 Feb, 2mg; 16 Feb, 2.5mg; 2 Mar, 3mg; 5 Mar, 2.5mg, 23 Mar, 3 mg; 6 Apr, 3.5mg, 14 Apr 4mg, 23 Apr 5mg, 10 Jul 8mg, 1 Dec 20mg, 1 Apr 2020 40mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus apace41 Posted January 13, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 13, 2019 6 hours ago, powerback said: Yesterday I was like my old self and in bits all in the same day. Oddly enough, PB, I would take some comfort in that. The fact that you had moments of "normalcy" is very encouraging. The up and down nature of all of this is what gets people in withdrawal diagnosed with Bipolar disease and then put on mood stabilizers. Let's watch to see if your "normal" periods stretch out. If so, you are on the right path. Best, Andy Sertraline 50mg and Clonazapam .375mg from 2000 -- symptoms of dizziness Spring 2012 increased to .5 Clonazapam and 100mg Sertraline -- no improvement Benzo microtaper from November 2012 to November 2014 (followed benzo sites "taper benzo first") Started Sertraline taper in December 2014 cut by 25mg to 75mg; 62.5mg 1/1/15 and 50mg on 2/1/15 Held at 50mg through April 5 to use liquid Reduced dosage in 10% or less drops from 50mg to 25mg -- at single tablet of 25mg on 10/5/15 Transitioned to all liquid for accuracy while tapering -- Horrible insomnia -- back to 25mg liquid and held until October 1, 2016 10/16 -- 11/18 tapered very slowly to 10.6mg. No real improvement and never really stable so updosed to 12.5mg (1/2 a pill) for convenience and long hold. After 8+ months of holding with no noticeable improvement decided to add .4ml of liquid Prozac (about 1.5mg) to see if that improves the situation Supplements, Magnesium, D3, Omega 3, curcumin, Valerian, 81mg Aspirin, L-Theanine, Vit. C, Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted January 13, 2019 Administrator Share Posted January 13, 2019 20 hours ago, Altostrata said: What time do you take Prozac? What happens in the late afternoon? How's your sleep? Please answer these questions. I'm still confused. You have an INCREASE in symptoms after you take a dose of Prozac? What times of day does this happen? I need to see those daily notes with times of day about your symptoms, when you take your drugs, and their dosages. Use a simple list format with time of day on the left and notation (symptom, drug and dosage) on the right. You can post the notes in your Intro topic every day. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
grandmaD Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) PB I have just read your recent thread. I didn't realise you switched to Prozac! It looks like you are worse.. and suicidal... or were you that before the switch? I was switched to another a/d years ago and it was really bad. Back then I knew nothing and neither did doctor, obviously. She switched me to two other a/d's because of what I was going through. However, now in hindsight, I KNOW I was hell as a result of CT original drug and so withdrawal hit hard and fast. I ended up making my own decision to go back on original drug (full dose) thinking it was better the devil I knew than the devil I didn't know! I was going to do prozac switch a year or so ago, but I saw that doing so doesn't necessarily cover the w/d symptoms from original drug. I really feel for you, I know the desperate desire to feel somewhat normal at least and find peace in mind and body, etc. It doesn't help when there are no easy answers, either! Edited January 14, 2019 by ChessieCat removed link 1995-2007 20mg Aropax/Paxil for pain. Years of up and down doses 2008 Endep, Lexapro and then Esipram (hell!) CT (oh dear!) 2009 20mg Aropax. Tried skipping doses for a year (more hell!) 2010 10mg. 10% taper. Lasted 4 months. Crashed again 2011 5% taper. 9mg-7mg (hell got even worse!) 2012 2.5% taper. 6.6mg – 5.6mg (worser still & unbearable) 2013 5% taper. Big mistake. 5.5mg – 4.6mg (even worserer) 2014 2.5% taper. 4.9mg – 4.5mg; 2015 2.5% taper 4.4 - 4.0mg 2016 2.5% taper. 3.9mg Feb 3.8 Mar 3.7 May 3.6 Jul 3.5 2017 2.5% taper. Jan 3.4; Mar 3.35; Apr 3.3; Oct 3; Dec 2.9; 2018 2.5% taper. Jan 2.8; Mar 2.7; Mar: 2.75; Jun 2.7; Aug 2.6; Oct 2.5; Nov 2.4; Dec 2.3 2019 Jan 2.2; Feb 2.1; Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus apace41 Posted January 14, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 14, 2019 12 hours ago, grandmaD said: It looks like you are worse.. and suicidal... or were you that before the switch? grandmaD, While I've seen PB struggle for quite some time, and the switch has not been a "quick fix", to my way of thinking he has remained largely positive and optimistic and I don't think it is appropriate to characterize him as "suicidal". I am hoping that the breaks he is getting are the start of an improved windows and waves pattern that will carry him out to a higher baseline level. Best, Andy Sertraline 50mg and Clonazapam .375mg from 2000 -- symptoms of dizziness Spring 2012 increased to .5 Clonazapam and 100mg Sertraline -- no improvement Benzo microtaper from November 2012 to November 2014 (followed benzo sites "taper benzo first") Started Sertraline taper in December 2014 cut by 25mg to 75mg; 62.5mg 1/1/15 and 50mg on 2/1/15 Held at 50mg through April 5 to use liquid Reduced dosage in 10% or less drops from 50mg to 25mg -- at single tablet of 25mg on 10/5/15 Transitioned to all liquid for accuracy while tapering -- Horrible insomnia -- back to 25mg liquid and held until October 1, 2016 10/16 -- 11/18 tapered very slowly to 10.6mg. No real improvement and never really stable so updosed to 12.5mg (1/2 a pill) for convenience and long hold. After 8+ months of holding with no noticeable improvement decided to add .4ml of liquid Prozac (about 1.5mg) to see if that improves the situation Supplements, Magnesium, D3, Omega 3, curcumin, Valerian, 81mg Aspirin, L-Theanine, Vit. C, Link to comment
powerback Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 21 hours ago, Altostrata said: 'm still confused Hi Alto ,I'm confused myself . ile put a symptom list of the day up soon ,very busy the next few days . basically about midday I get crushing fatigue ,I need to rest for an hour .meds are always taken on waking up between 7am and 9am . Ide say its a bit of both ,symptoms dropping the Effexor and picking up the Prozac . Only time I suppose will tell . Thanks for your help .take care. Alcohol free since February 2015 1MG diazepam 4.5MG PROZAC. Link to comment
powerback Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 18 hours ago, grandmaD said: PB I have just read your recent thread. I didn't realise you switched to Prozac! It looks like you are worse.. and suicidal... or were you that before the switch? Please see this post (CC) I was switched to another a/d years ago and it was really bad. Back then I knew nothing and neither did doctor, obviously. She switched me to two other a/d's because of what I was going through. However, now in hindsight, I KNOW I was hell as a result of CT original drug and so withdrawal hit hard and fast. I ended up making my own decision to go back on original drug (full dose) thinking it was better the devil I knew than the devil I didn't know! I was going to do prozac switch a year or so ago, but I saw that doing so doesn't necessarily cover the w/d symptoms from original drug. I really feel for you, I know the desperate desire to feel somewhat normal at least and find peace in mind and body, etc. It doesn't help when there are no easy answers, either! Thanks GD your so kind for your concern .the best way a switch is recommended is from one drug to other before even tapering ,I was in withdrawl coming to the site .its my mess I need to take responsibility for .the last 8 months my body is putting up with an accumulation of health issues that is all contributing to this mess ,my nervous system is getting bombarded .my main thing this winter is to stay clear of the swine flu strain of flu doing the rounds in Ireland ,I'm petrified , I believe this will finish me off. I'm very watchful for SI but if I do notice it increasing I will drop the Prozac pronto . Take care GD . Alcohol free since February 2015 1MG diazepam 4.5MG PROZAC. Link to comment
powerback Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 6 hours ago, apace41 said: grandmaD, While I've seen PB struggle for quite some time, and the switch has not been a "quick fix", to my way of thinking he has remained largely positive and optimistic and I don't think it is appropriate to characterize him as "suicidal". I am hoping that the breaks he is getting are the start of an improved windows and waves pattern that will carry him out to a higher baseline level. Best, Andy Im blessed and appreciate both of yous,im a veteran at this stage lol. Last night I even enjoyed some belly laughter ,this is a positive . Take care . Alcohol free since February 2015 1MG diazepam 4.5MG PROZAC. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted January 14, 2019 Administrator Share Posted January 14, 2019 @grandmaD powerback is extraordinarily brave and resourceful. Maybe a little too reticent about his daily symptom pattern; still, I am honored to share electrons with him. I am optimistic about the success of his switch to Prozac. 1 hour ago, powerback said: basically about midday I get crushing fatigue ,I need to rest for an hour .meds are always taken on waking up between 7am and 9am . Interesting. Must see those daily notes! This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
powerback Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, Altostrata said: @grandmaD powerback is extraordinarily brave and resourceful. Maybe a little too reticent about his daily symptom pattern; still, I am honored to share electrons with him. I am optimistic about the success of his switch to Prozac. Interesting. Must see those daily notes! Well at the moment I'm holding onto this freaky human feeling of enjoying being alive and enjoying music ,my heart is even getting nice feelings lol. Apoloagies Alto ile sort symptom pattern out in a few days 🙂.im busy during the day until Thursday. honored to share electrons with him. this is a very nice thing to say ,thanks . Alcohol free since February 2015 1MG diazepam 4.5MG PROZAC. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted January 14, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 14, 2019 Just posting this here for PB's own reference: 14 minutes ago, powerback said: I'm claiming one of my best windows today for ages ,a little hyper tonight but I'm aware of it . * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
powerback Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 Just now, ChessieCat said: Just posting this here for PB's own reference: 👍🙏. Thanks CC Alcohol free since February 2015 1MG diazepam 4.5MG PROZAC. Link to comment
wantrelief Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, powerback said: Well at the moment I'm holding onto this freaky human feeling of enjoying being alive and enjoying music ,my heart is even getting nice feelings This is great news, PB....sounds wonderful!! -1/06 - 3/07 Cymbalta. Fast taper (essentially CT); withdrawal symptoms after 4 mos (didn't realize was WD) -10/07: 100 mg Zoloft; 1 mg Klonopin - tapered off Klonopin after 4 mos. Several unsuccessful slow tapers of Zoloft; went up and down in dose a lot -Spring 2013 back on 1 mg Klonopin to counter WD symptoms; switched over 5-6 mos from Zoloft to 35 mg citalopram -Two attempts at slow tapering citalopram, always increased dose due to WD; also increased Klonopin to 1.25 mg in 2014, then to 1.5 mg in 2015 -8/17-9/17: After holding one year at 20 mg, feeling withdrawal symptoms due to stress - slowly increased to 25 mg. No change in symptoms after 6 months (? tolerance ?) - decided to start citalopram taper February 2018 (still on Klonopin 1.5 mg). Supplements: fish oil; magnesium; vitamin D3; curcumin Citalopram taper: 2/2018 - 12/2019: 25 mg - 11.03 mg I 2020: 10.89 mg - 7.9 mg I 2021: 7.8 mg - 5.26 mg I 2022: 5.2 mg - 3.36 mg I 2023: 3.3 mg - 1.47 mg 2024: 1/5/24: 1.44 mg; 1/19/24: 1.40 mg; 1/26/24: 1.37 mg; 2/2/24: 1.34 mg; 2/9/24: 1.31 mg; 2/23/24: 1.28 mg; 3/1/24: 1.25 mg; 3/8/24: 1.22 mg; 3/15/24: 1.19 mg; 3/29/24: 1.17 mg; 4/5/24: 1.14 mg; 4/13/24: 1.11 mg Link to comment
powerback Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, grandmaD said: PB I have just read your recent thread. I didn't realise you switched to Prozac! It looks like you are worse.. and suicidal... or were you that before the switch? I was switched to another a/d years ago and it was really bad. Back then I knew nothing and neither did doctor, obviously. She switched me to two other a/d's because of what I was going through. However, now in hindsight, I KNOW I was hell as a result of CT original drug and so withdrawal hit hard and fast. I ended up making my own decision to go back on original drug (full dose) thinking it was better the devil I knew than the devil I didn't know! I was going to do prozac switch a year or so ago, but I saw that doing so doesn't necessarily cover the w/d symptoms from original drug. I really feel for you, I know the desperate desire to feel somewhat normal at least and find peace in mind and body, etc. It doesn't help when there are no easy answers, either! I feel there needs to be some background here because GD gave me her time during PMs over the last 2 weeks and I cant express my gratitude enough.it got pretty dark at times ,so she is coming at it from a different perspective ,no offence to my thread of course . 🙏. Edited January 14, 2019 by ChessieCat updated quote Alcohol free since February 2015 1MG diazepam 4.5MG PROZAC. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus apace41 Posted January 14, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, powerback said: I feel there needs to be some background here because GD gave me her time during PMs over the last 2 weeks and I cant express my gratitude enough.it got pretty dark at times ,so she is coming at it from a different perspective ,no offence to my thread of course . 🙏. Got it. As usual, on the internet there is no way to know what is REALLY going on. Glad she was there when you needed that. I was commenting with incomplete information so I withdraw my comment. Best, Andy Edited January 14, 2019 by apace41 Sertraline 50mg and Clonazapam .375mg from 2000 -- symptoms of dizziness Spring 2012 increased to .5 Clonazapam and 100mg Sertraline -- no improvement Benzo microtaper from November 2012 to November 2014 (followed benzo sites "taper benzo first") Started Sertraline taper in December 2014 cut by 25mg to 75mg; 62.5mg 1/1/15 and 50mg on 2/1/15 Held at 50mg through April 5 to use liquid Reduced dosage in 10% or less drops from 50mg to 25mg -- at single tablet of 25mg on 10/5/15 Transitioned to all liquid for accuracy while tapering -- Horrible insomnia -- back to 25mg liquid and held until October 1, 2016 10/16 -- 11/18 tapered very slowly to 10.6mg. No real improvement and never really stable so updosed to 12.5mg (1/2 a pill) for convenience and long hold. After 8+ months of holding with no noticeable improvement decided to add .4ml of liquid Prozac (about 1.5mg) to see if that improves the situation Supplements, Magnesium, D3, Omega 3, curcumin, Valerian, 81mg Aspirin, L-Theanine, Vit. C, Link to comment
powerback Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, wantrelief said: This is great news, PB....sounds wonderful!! Thanks WR, ive gone ahead and booked myself in for an iron man next week lol,tongue it cheek 😁. Alcohol free since February 2015 1MG diazepam 4.5MG PROZAC. Link to comment
powerback Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, apace41 said: Got it. As usual, on the internet there is no way to know what is REALLY going on. Glad she was there when you needed that. I was commenting with incomplete information so I withdraw my comment. Best, Andy All my fault as per usual Andy lol. It had nothing to do with anyone but my mindset during the last few weeks ,mods are busy enough and we got chatting . Thanks Andy . Alcohol free since February 2015 1MG diazepam 4.5MG PROZAC. Link to comment
direstraits Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 hours ago, powerback said: Well at the moment I'm holding onto this freaky human feeling of enjoying being alive and enjoying music ,my heart is even getting nice feelings lol YAY!! I hope it lasts a while...so happy for you ! ❤️ went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ct back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs. Link to comment
Steve61 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 So pleased for you PB 👍👍 You needed and deserved a window for all the times that you support others. I’m rooting for you 🤗🤗 Quote Dosulepin 75 mgs per night since 1993. Dosulepin March 16 2018 75mgs and 50 mgs alternate nights. Dosulepin. March 30. 2018. 50 mgs per night Dosulepin. May 2. 2018. 50mgs and 25 mgs alternate nights Dosulepin. May 27 2018. 50 mgs per night ( increased ) Dosulepin. July 11 2018. 45 mgs per night Dosulepin. August 13 2018 40 mgs per night Dosulepin October 10 2018. 37.5 mgs per night Dosulepin. October. 24 2018. 35 mgs per night Dosulepin. December 5 2018. 32.5 mgs per night Dosulepin. January 2. 2018 30mgs per night February 14 2018 29 mgs per night Dosulepin February 27 28 mgs per night Link to comment
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