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Hi. Im just going to chip in sorry!

 

Yes yes yes - my IQ is that of a gold fish. Except i cant swim for the fact of getting there anyways ......

 

My concentration, memory, brain you name it is smashed. 

 

My biscuit tin is no longer full of hob nobs. Its full of smashed mis fits. 

 

If you read it is a common symptom. It bothers me alot. 

May 2016 - Aug 2016 - Prozac 20mg

 

March 2017 - June 2017 - Sertraline 100mg. Horrific withdrawal 5 m onths.

 

July 2017 - Aug 2017 - Mirtazapine 15mg. Horrific.

 

August 2017 - December 2017 Fluoxetine 10mg for 2 weeks ghen Escitalopram 20mg for 12 weeks. Never felt normal since this. Or baseline.

 

March 2018 - June 2018 - Escitalopram 5mg for 12 weeks. Stopped and here i am full of symptoms i never had.

 

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48 minutes ago, Alanmane said:

I accept this process and try to handle it as best I can, I know I will go out, in half a year I have gone down from 150mg to 64mg so I have already done a lot of work, now I have to continue. My mood is stable although I do not feel very happy, above all it bothers me to feel little concentrated, something mentally slow, is this common? Does it happen to you?

 
A greeting and a lot of strength.

Mentally slow yep and the concentration ,don't fight it ,on bad days just accept it and float  .that's a good chunk off your dose in 6 months ,fairplay mate .but ide recommend checking in with a mod/Alto  going further because symptoms can attack further down the road .

Im not blowing you off mate ,im just not comfortable giving advice on meds because im far from a good example of tapering .

Theres a big difference between not being happy and serious depression ,so don't be too hard on yourself .

Take care .

Alcohol free since February 2015 

1MG diazepam

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52 minutes ago, Leo1983 said:

Hi. Im just going to chip in sorry!

 

Yes yes yes - my IQ is that of a gold fish. Except i cant swim for the fact of getting there anyways ......

 

My concentration, memory, brain you name it is smashed. 

 

My biscuit tin is no longer full of hob nobs. Its full of smashed mis fits. 

 

If you read it is a common symptom. It bothers me alot. 

Chip away leo no sweat ,I often set an alarm to remind me ive something in the oven or cooker but usually the smell reminds me . 

Alcohol free since February 2015 

1MG diazepam

4.5MG PROZAC.

 

 

 

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33 minutes ago, powerback said:

Mentalmente disminuya la velocidad y la concentración, no lo pelee, en los días malos, simplemente acéptelo y flote. Eso es una buena parte de su dosis en 6 meses, un compañero de juego limpio, pero le recomiendo que consulte con un mod / Alto que vaya más lejos porque los síntomas Puede atacar más allá de la carretera.

No estoy decepcionando a mi compañero, simplemente no me siento cómodo dando consejos sobre medicamentos porque estoy lejos de ser un buen ejemplo de reducción.

Hay una gran diferencia entre no ser feliz y una depresión grave, así que no seas demasiado duro contigo mismo.

Cuídate .

Yes, I am learning to accept and I do not punish myself for not being very agile now, I flow without problems most days. About my reduction I will continue as my body asks me, without going fast but not slow, I do not want to follow percentages or calendars, just go slowly and listen to my mind and body. Thank you for your answers, it's not about giving advice, just telling about retirement experiences and different points of view.

 
a greeting

Mayo 2018: Venlafaxina 150 mg y toma 64mg Diciembre 2018: Venlafaxina xr 56mg 

Diciembre de 2018: Venlafaxina xr 58mg Enero de 2019: Venlafaxina xr 56mg

Febrero 2019: Venlafaxina xr 37,5 mg + 40 perlas Mayo 2019: Venlafaxina xr 37,5 mg + 7 perlas Mayo 2019: Venlafaxina xr 37,5mg

Octubre 2019: venlafaxina xr 18mg aprox.

Enero 2020: 50 perlas Febrero 2020: 40 perlasMarzo 2020: 30 perlas 

Abril 2020: 35 perlas (en crisis)

Agosto 2020: 25 perlas, 23 perlas Noviembre: 03/11/2020 26 perlas 05/11/2030 22 perlas, 22/11/2020 24 perlas.Diciembre: 40 perlas (5 días) , vuelvo a 30 perlas.

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On ‎11‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 8:41 PM, Alanmane said:

Yes, I am learning to accept and I do not punish myself for not being very agile now, I flow without problems most days. About my reduction I will continue as my body asks me, without going fast but not slow, I do not want to follow percentages or calendars, just go slowly and listen to my mind and body. Thank you for your answers, it's not about giving advice, just telling about retirement experiences and different points of view.

 
a greeting

Your welcome Alanmane ,best of luck on your journey to healing of all kinds 🙏.

Alcohol free since February 2015 

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Hi everyone having a day of "acceptance" 🤨and trying to relax .very trying indeed .

Watching a tv series the last few nights and I took 2 sayings from it that interested me and relate to me a lot.

1. you are at war with yourself.

2.If you look into the abys for long enough it looks back into you .

These totally apply to me ,I think 2 is Friedrich Nietzsche.

Peace 🙏.

Alcohol free since February 2015 

1MG diazepam

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1 minute ago, powerback said:

I think 2 is Friedrich Nietzsche.

 

Yes.  It is.  

 

Enjoy the day of acceptance.

 

Best,

 

Andy

Sertraline 50mg and Clonazapam .375mg from 2000 -- symptoms of dizziness Spring 2012

increased to .5 Clonazapam and 100mg Sertraline -- no improvement

Benzo microtaper from November 2012 to November 2014 (followed benzo sites "taper benzo first")

Started Sertraline taper in December 2014 cut by 25mg to 75mg; 62.5mg 1/1/15 and 50mg on 2/1/15

Held at 50mg through April 5 to use liquid 
Reduced dosage in 10% or less drops from 50mg to 25mg -- at single tablet of 25mg on 10/5/15

Transitioned to all liquid for accuracy while tapering -- Horrible insomnia -- back to 25mg liquid and held until October 1, 2016

10/16 -- 11/18 tapered very slowly to 10.6mg.  No real improvement and never really stable so updosed to 12.5mg (1/2 a pill) for convenience and long hold.

After 8+ months of holding with no noticeable improvement decided to add .4ml of liquid Prozac (about 1.5mg) to see if that improves the situation

Supplements, Magnesium, D3, Omega 3, curcumin, Valerian, 81mg Aspirin, L-Theanine, Vit. C,

 

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5 minutes ago, apace41 said:

 

Yes.  It is.  

 

Enjoy the day of acceptance.

 

Best,

 

Andy

Hi Andy 👍.hope your well my friend .

Alcohol free since February 2015 

1MG diazepam

4.5MG PROZAC.

 

 

 

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49 minutes ago, powerback said:

you are at war with yourself

Withdrawal really does feel like this.  Hang in there, PB.  Thinking about you - WR.

-1/06 - 3/07 Cymbalta. Fast taper; withdrawal symptoms after 4 mos (didn't realize was WD)

-10/07: 100 mg Zoloft; 1 mg Klonopin - tapered off Klonopin
-Tried several times to slowly taper Zoloft by 10%, then 5% every 4-6 weeks; could never get below approx. 40 mg - spring 2012 experienced major WD symptoms due to stress; tried to updose but no relief, back on Klonopin 1 mg.
-Switched over 5-6 mos from Zoloft to Citalopram. Finished Zoloft 1/13; Citalopram 35 mg and 1 mg Klonopin.
-8/13: 27 mg Citalopram; 1 mg Klonopin

-11/14: 12.6 Citalopram - began to have bad withdrawal symptoms; out of desperation increased to 1.25 mg Klonopin at the beginning of December.  12/13/14 16 mg Citalopram - going to stay here to try to stabilize; stabilized on 16 mg Citalopram after 4-5 months

-7/15 - 3/16: reduced to 15 mg; ~ 2 months later w/d hit hard (probably r/t stress); 6/16 updosed to 20 mg Citalopram and trying to stabilize. Updosed to 1.5 Klonopin as well. Stabilized on 20 mg Citalopram after 4-5 months

8/17-9/17: feeling withdrawal symptoms at 20 mg Citalopram (due to stress) - slowly increased to 25 mg. No change in symptoms after 6 months (? tolerance ?)  - decided to start citalopram taper February 2018 (still on Klonopin 1.5 mg).

Supplements: fish oil; magnesium; vitamin D3; curcumin

Citalopram taper:  2/2018 - 12/2019: 25 mg - 11.03 mg I 2020: 10.89 mg - 7.9 mg

2021: 1/3/21: 7.8 mg (1.27% drop); 1/24/21: 7.7 mg (1.29%); 1/31/21: 7.6 mg (1.17%); 2/7/21: 7.5 mg (1.19%); 2/14/21: 7.4 mg (1.34%); 2/28/21: 7.3 mg (1.25%); 3/7/21: 7.2 mg (1.25%); 3/21/21: 7.1 mg (1.25%); 3/28/21: 7.0 mg (1.25%); 4/25/21 - 5/5/21 : generic clonazepam switch; 5/16/21: 6.9 mg (1.25%); 5/23/21: 6.85 mg (1.25%); 5/30/21: 6.8 mg (1.25%); 6/6/21: 6.7 mg (1.25%); 6/27/21: 6.6 mg (1.25%); 6.5 mg (1.25%); 7/11/21: 6.4 mg (1.25%); 7/18/21: 6.36 mg (1.25%)

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1 hour ago, wantrelief said:

Withdrawal really does feel like this.  Hang in there, PB.  Thinking about you - WR.

Exactly WR hi and I hope your well 🙏 .

 

Alcohol free since February 2015 

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Hi ,ive been doing some reading while extremely sick ,I'm 2 weeks at 37.5 and im much worse ,I reckon im being poisoned because since there's more of the drug in my system this corelates the drug to me and not withdrawal [I have it in me to do something silly lately] .

The feeling of tension and tiredness around  my eyes is tremendous .[signs of autoimmune disease] 

ive no choice but to change the drug .I wont be telling anyone in my life outside of here ,maybe my partner because I wont be able to hide it but the poor women isn't built for this hardship.

I'm petrified  .

I have all the info I need from alto and the mods .

Take care .

Best of luck to everyone and thanks for any encouragement in advance .

Apologies for any nasty triggers . 

I'm aware I'm repeating myself a lot here so thanks and respect .

Alcohol free since February 2015 

1MG diazepam

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I am so sorry you've felt so unwell, PB.  I really really hope the Prozac bridge (I assume that is what you are referring to) gives you some peace and you can then taper down from there.  Thinking about you - WR.

-1/06 - 3/07 Cymbalta. Fast taper; withdrawal symptoms after 4 mos (didn't realize was WD)

-10/07: 100 mg Zoloft; 1 mg Klonopin - tapered off Klonopin
-Tried several times to slowly taper Zoloft by 10%, then 5% every 4-6 weeks; could never get below approx. 40 mg - spring 2012 experienced major WD symptoms due to stress; tried to updose but no relief, back on Klonopin 1 mg.
-Switched over 5-6 mos from Zoloft to Citalopram. Finished Zoloft 1/13; Citalopram 35 mg and 1 mg Klonopin.
-8/13: 27 mg Citalopram; 1 mg Klonopin

-11/14: 12.6 Citalopram - began to have bad withdrawal symptoms; out of desperation increased to 1.25 mg Klonopin at the beginning of December.  12/13/14 16 mg Citalopram - going to stay here to try to stabilize; stabilized on 16 mg Citalopram after 4-5 months

-7/15 - 3/16: reduced to 15 mg; ~ 2 months later w/d hit hard (probably r/t stress); 6/16 updosed to 20 mg Citalopram and trying to stabilize. Updosed to 1.5 Klonopin as well. Stabilized on 20 mg Citalopram after 4-5 months

8/17-9/17: feeling withdrawal symptoms at 20 mg Citalopram (due to stress) - slowly increased to 25 mg. No change in symptoms after 6 months (? tolerance ?)  - decided to start citalopram taper February 2018 (still on Klonopin 1.5 mg).

Supplements: fish oil; magnesium; vitamin D3; curcumin

Citalopram taper:  2/2018 - 12/2019: 25 mg - 11.03 mg I 2020: 10.89 mg - 7.9 mg

2021: 1/3/21: 7.8 mg (1.27% drop); 1/24/21: 7.7 mg (1.29%); 1/31/21: 7.6 mg (1.17%); 2/7/21: 7.5 mg (1.19%); 2/14/21: 7.4 mg (1.34%); 2/28/21: 7.3 mg (1.25%); 3/7/21: 7.2 mg (1.25%); 3/21/21: 7.1 mg (1.25%); 3/28/21: 7.0 mg (1.25%); 4/25/21 - 5/5/21 : generic clonazepam switch; 5/16/21: 6.9 mg (1.25%); 5/23/21: 6.85 mg (1.25%); 5/30/21: 6.8 mg (1.25%); 6/6/21: 6.7 mg (1.25%); 6/27/21: 6.6 mg (1.25%); 6.5 mg (1.25%); 7/11/21: 6.4 mg (1.25%); 7/18/21: 6.36 mg (1.25%)

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Your suffering with the shite in ya body so my opinion is stop the lot and suffer without it. Twatful stuff mate!!

 

Or fair play prozac. You want off the lot ASAP. 

 

Wish ya luck. 

May 2016 - Aug 2016 - Prozac 20mg

 

March 2017 - June 2017 - Sertraline 100mg. Horrific withdrawal 5 m onths.

 

July 2017 - Aug 2017 - Mirtazapine 15mg. Horrific.

 

August 2017 - December 2017 Fluoxetine 10mg for 2 weeks ghen Escitalopram 20mg for 12 weeks. Never felt normal since this. Or baseline.

 

March 2018 - June 2018 - Escitalopram 5mg for 12 weeks. Stopped and here i am full of symptoms i never had.

 

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37 minutes ago, Leo1983 said:

Your suffering with the shite in ya body so my opinion is stop the lot and suffer without it. Twatful stuff mate!!

 

Leo,

 

There are different degrees of suffering.  You are entitled to your opinion but if suffering was an indication to cold turkey there would very likely be a lot of people on this board moving from very uncomfortable to disabled.  Please be careful with those kind of suggestions as people in distress can be highly suggestible.  We do not advocate cold turkey solutions.

 

Best,

 

Andy

Sertraline 50mg and Clonazapam .375mg from 2000 -- symptoms of dizziness Spring 2012

increased to .5 Clonazapam and 100mg Sertraline -- no improvement

Benzo microtaper from November 2012 to November 2014 (followed benzo sites "taper benzo first")

Started Sertraline taper in December 2014 cut by 25mg to 75mg; 62.5mg 1/1/15 and 50mg on 2/1/15

Held at 50mg through April 5 to use liquid 
Reduced dosage in 10% or less drops from 50mg to 25mg -- at single tablet of 25mg on 10/5/15

Transitioned to all liquid for accuracy while tapering -- Horrible insomnia -- back to 25mg liquid and held until October 1, 2016

10/16 -- 11/18 tapered very slowly to 10.6mg.  No real improvement and never really stable so updosed to 12.5mg (1/2 a pill) for convenience and long hold.

After 8+ months of holding with no noticeable improvement decided to add .4ml of liquid Prozac (about 1.5mg) to see if that improves the situation

Supplements, Magnesium, D3, Omega 3, curcumin, Valerian, 81mg Aspirin, L-Theanine, Vit. C,

 

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22 minutes ago, Leo1983 said:

Your suffering with the shite in ya body so my opinion is stop the lot and suffer without it. Twatful stuff mate!!

 

Or fair play prozac. You want off the lot ASAP. 

 

Wish ya luck. 

Exactly Leo .I was totally wrong how I went about the taper but that's on me for the most part .I'm fed up with myself ,let alone the people i live with .I'm super conscious of my very dark moods.I left house today in no fit state because of it,if I lived alone ide try a faster taper ,my biggest problem is my living arrangements .I'm highly irritated .

I need to find someone I trust ,I want to get my affairs in order ,I'm sick to the back teeth of living like this .if it goes wrong that's it .but I believe im at the worst to try something different .ide imagine a cold turkey would be worse.

Take care .

 

Alcohol free since February 2015 

1MG diazepam

4.5MG PROZAC.

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, powerback said:

but I believe im at the worst to try something different .ide imagine a cold turkey would be worse.

 

Per Alto's suggestion, PB, trying the bridge makes a lot of sense, especially because it moves you from one "type" of drug (SNRI) to another (SSRI).  With any luck you will see some modest improvements early on in the shift as you get the venlafaxine out of the system and bring the Prozac on board.

 

Fingers crossed.

 

Best,

 

Andy

Sertraline 50mg and Clonazapam .375mg from 2000 -- symptoms of dizziness Spring 2012

increased to .5 Clonazapam and 100mg Sertraline -- no improvement

Benzo microtaper from November 2012 to November 2014 (followed benzo sites "taper benzo first")

Started Sertraline taper in December 2014 cut by 25mg to 75mg; 62.5mg 1/1/15 and 50mg on 2/1/15

Held at 50mg through April 5 to use liquid 
Reduced dosage in 10% or less drops from 50mg to 25mg -- at single tablet of 25mg on 10/5/15

Transitioned to all liquid for accuracy while tapering -- Horrible insomnia -- back to 25mg liquid and held until October 1, 2016

10/16 -- 11/18 tapered very slowly to 10.6mg.  No real improvement and never really stable so updosed to 12.5mg (1/2 a pill) for convenience and long hold.

After 8+ months of holding with no noticeable improvement decided to add .4ml of liquid Prozac (about 1.5mg) to see if that improves the situation

Supplements, Magnesium, D3, Omega 3, curcumin, Valerian, 81mg Aspirin, L-Theanine, Vit. C,

 

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6 minutes ago, apace41 said:

 

Per Alto's suggestion, PB, trying the bridge makes a lot of sense, especially because it moves you from one "type" of drug (SNRI) to another (SSRI).  With any luck you will see some modest improvements early on in the shift as you get the venlafaxine out of the system and bring the Prozac on board.

 

Fingers crossed.

 

Best,

 

Andy

sound Andy thanks for coming by ,I'm already thinking of the weight gain ,this seems to be an issue on Prozac .Anyway needs must .

Take care .

Alcohol free since February 2015 

1MG diazepam

4.5MG PROZAC.

 

 

 

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Just now, powerback said:

sound Andy thanks for coming by ,I'm already thinking of the weight gain ,this seems to be an issue on Prozac .Anyway needs must .

Take care .

 

Keep your priorities straight, PB.  I would be happy looking like Santa Claus (spirit of the season)  if I felt like I did before meds.

 

You can lose the weight down the road (if you even gain it).

 

Best,

 

Andy

Sertraline 50mg and Clonazapam .375mg from 2000 -- symptoms of dizziness Spring 2012

increased to .5 Clonazapam and 100mg Sertraline -- no improvement

Benzo microtaper from November 2012 to November 2014 (followed benzo sites "taper benzo first")

Started Sertraline taper in December 2014 cut by 25mg to 75mg; 62.5mg 1/1/15 and 50mg on 2/1/15

Held at 50mg through April 5 to use liquid 
Reduced dosage in 10% or less drops from 50mg to 25mg -- at single tablet of 25mg on 10/5/15

Transitioned to all liquid for accuracy while tapering -- Horrible insomnia -- back to 25mg liquid and held until October 1, 2016

10/16 -- 11/18 tapered very slowly to 10.6mg.  No real improvement and never really stable so updosed to 12.5mg (1/2 a pill) for convenience and long hold.

After 8+ months of holding with no noticeable improvement decided to add .4ml of liquid Prozac (about 1.5mg) to see if that improves the situation

Supplements, Magnesium, D3, Omega 3, curcumin, Valerian, 81mg Aspirin, L-Theanine, Vit. C,

 

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Andy i appreciate your opinion. 

 

However at no point do i mention CT!

 

I mention getting off it asap. And suffer without it. Or use the prozac. 

 

I see this alot on here however it does not make it right. There are i agree alot of people who are vulnerable and do not need extra pressure. 

 

Thanks

 

Lee. 

May 2016 - Aug 2016 - Prozac 20mg

 

March 2017 - June 2017 - Sertraline 100mg. Horrific withdrawal 5 m onths.

 

July 2017 - Aug 2017 - Mirtazapine 15mg. Horrific.

 

August 2017 - December 2017 Fluoxetine 10mg for 2 weeks ghen Escitalopram 20mg for 12 weeks. Never felt normal since this. Or baseline.

 

March 2018 - June 2018 - Escitalopram 5mg for 12 weeks. Stopped and here i am full of symptoms i never had.

 

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1 minute ago, apace41 said:

 

Keep your priorities straight, PB.  I would be happy looking like Santa Claus (spirit of the season)  if I felt like I did before meds.

 

You can lose the weight down the road (if you even gain it).

 

Best,

 

Andy

👍 cheers ,im on a total negative biased .

Alcohol free since February 2015 

1MG diazepam

4.5MG PROZAC.

 

 

 

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PB. I hope you withdraw the best way possible but it seems to me you need to start making a move to get off the stuff however that may be.

 

Im sure the advise will be good and i do wish you luck. 

May 2016 - Aug 2016 - Prozac 20mg

 

March 2017 - June 2017 - Sertraline 100mg. Horrific withdrawal 5 m onths.

 

July 2017 - Aug 2017 - Mirtazapine 15mg. Horrific.

 

August 2017 - December 2017 Fluoxetine 10mg for 2 weeks ghen Escitalopram 20mg for 12 weeks. Never felt normal since this. Or baseline.

 

March 2018 - June 2018 - Escitalopram 5mg for 12 weeks. Stopped and here i am full of symptoms i never had.

 

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57 minutes ago, Leo1983 said:

stop the lot and suffer without it.

 

Sorry if I misunderstood, Leo.  I took these words to imply cold turkey.

 

If that's not your suggestion we are all on the same page.

 

Best,

 

Andy

Sertraline 50mg and Clonazapam .375mg from 2000 -- symptoms of dizziness Spring 2012

increased to .5 Clonazapam and 100mg Sertraline -- no improvement

Benzo microtaper from November 2012 to November 2014 (followed benzo sites "taper benzo first")

Started Sertraline taper in December 2014 cut by 25mg to 75mg; 62.5mg 1/1/15 and 50mg on 2/1/15

Held at 50mg through April 5 to use liquid 
Reduced dosage in 10% or less drops from 50mg to 25mg -- at single tablet of 25mg on 10/5/15

Transitioned to all liquid for accuracy while tapering -- Horrible insomnia -- back to 25mg liquid and held until October 1, 2016

10/16 -- 11/18 tapered very slowly to 10.6mg.  No real improvement and never really stable so updosed to 12.5mg (1/2 a pill) for convenience and long hold.

After 8+ months of holding with no noticeable improvement decided to add .4ml of liquid Prozac (about 1.5mg) to see if that improves the situation

Supplements, Magnesium, D3, Omega 3, curcumin, Valerian, 81mg Aspirin, L-Theanine, Vit. C,

 

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Pb don’t even think of a CT as there is different levels to this what is unthinkable.

 

your talking to some one who as lost everything due to CT & house bound.Can function enough to cook that’s it.We all want off ASAP but you would tramatize your brain & CNS so bad...

 

This is all about a leap of faith here pb I can imagine how very frightened you are.But  you have come so far to let all this hard work go.The fear is also chemical as well pb.What ever you decide to do I wish you all the luck in this world.

 

one day your going to look back at this chapter & be so grateful you didn’t give up.Its just a chapter & all chapters end.just like seasons...Then when this chapter is over you can start a whole new beginning.

 

All storms run out of rain PB...

 

Best of luck to you my friend & keep the faith because your worth it 🙏🏻♥️ Xxx

Binge drinker thru out my life 17/37,recreational use of street drugs 17-30. Numerous AD from age 23 upwards

Matazpine 30mg 2007-2012

Paxil an zopiclone 2012-2016

Taken off Paxil in four weeks in janurary 2016

Given diazepam 2-4 feb to June 2016

C/t diazepam June (had no idea not too)

Reinstated 8mg of diazepam in July,crossed over to 8mg of diazepam! given 7.5 matazpine.

Nov 2016 at 5 mg of diazepam

Given Olanzpine 2.5 November 28th-stopped

paxil 1mg 3rd of dec -stopped

Started liquid diazpam 10th of jan.alchol free 13month

February 2018 - reduced to 4 mg diazepam and 7.5 mg mirtazapine

November 2018 - tried 2% diazepam reduction - updosed back to 4 mg after one week

 

 

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I feel i have to explain i was not advocating CT. However i do think you need a plan to start getting off. 

 

You have wrote many times how the meds are poisioning you?. So i would think getting off is a good plan to make. 

 

Thats all i meant. 

May 2016 - Aug 2016 - Prozac 20mg

 

March 2017 - June 2017 - Sertraline 100mg. Horrific withdrawal 5 m onths.

 

July 2017 - Aug 2017 - Mirtazapine 15mg. Horrific.

 

August 2017 - December 2017 Fluoxetine 10mg for 2 weeks ghen Escitalopram 20mg for 12 weeks. Never felt normal since this. Or baseline.

 

March 2018 - June 2018 - Escitalopram 5mg for 12 weeks. Stopped and here i am full of symptoms i never had.

 

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12 minutes ago, Leo1983 said:

PB. I hope you withdraw the best way possible but it seems to me you need to start making a move to get off the stuff however that may be.

 

Im sure the advise will be good and i do wish you luck. 

Best way possible was missed more than 3 years ago when I knew nothing of this process and I followed my doctor to the word 75mg cut in half ,ive been in the choppy ocean since ,a good while after that  I challenged him on the cut in half ,he went on to be defensive and say "I don't know what you do with them meds at home ",nice hey . this is what happens when you challenge authority .

I can see your being thoughtful and hoping for an end in sight for a fellow sufferer  ,there is no silver bullet i made that mistake many years ago ,thinking there was .

Take care leo ,respect to your healing ,ile defo take you up on any questions about Prozac if needs be👍 .

Alcohol free since February 2015 

1MG diazepam

4.5MG PROZAC.

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Leo1983 said:

I feel i have to explain i was not advocating CT. However i do think you need a plan to start getting off. 

 

You have wrote many times how the meds are poisioning you?. So i would think getting off is a good plan to make. 

 

Thats all i meant. 

sound ,no sweat .Your fairly on the money because I often made a choice to put tapering off for external reasons and I never achieved any healing in that respect .theres members on here nearly healed from cold turkeys 2 years ago .

In some respects I kicked the can down the road for too long I believe .

 

Alcohol free since February 2015 

1MG diazepam

4.5MG PROZAC.

 

 

 

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I'm sad that you are suffering so much, PB.  Let's hope Prozac makes a difference that is a good one.  It has for others.  Venlafaxine seems to be a particularly bad AD.

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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3 minutes ago, Rosetta said:

I'm sad that you are suffering so much, PB.  Let's hope Prozac makes a difference that is a good one.  It has for others.  Venlafaxine seems to be a particularly bad AD.

Thanks Rosetta your very kind .I do wonder if I've stretched the elastic band to far sometimes take care . 

 

Alcohol free since February 2015 

1MG diazepam

4.5MG PROZAC.

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, pinkfairy said:

Pb don’t even think of a CT as there is different levels to this what is unthinkable.

 

your talking to some one who as lost everything due to CT & house bound.Can function enough to cook that’s it.We all want off ASAP but you would tramatize your brain & CNS so bad...

 

This is all about a leap of faith here pb I can imagine how very frightened you are.But  you have come so far to let all this hard work go.The fear is also chemical as well pb.What ever you decide to do I wish you all the luck in this world.

 

one day your going to look back at this chapter & be so grateful you didn’t give up.Its just a chapter & all chapters end.just like seasons...Then when this chapter is over you can start a whole new beginning.

 

All storms run out of rain PB...

 

Best of luck to you my friend & keep the faith because your worth it 🙏🏻♥️ Xxx

hi pink ,I'm petrified beyond belief ,I better log off ,sunday night is bad for me bringing up all this ,im aware my nervous system is very sick so its a crap shoot .if im so kindled with fear of the bridge ,my only option is taper venex with serious symptoms ,this will no doubt put a detrimental stress on my relationship.

I hope you ok. 

Alcohol free since February 2015 

1MG diazepam

4.5MG PROZAC.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, powerback said:

hi pink ,I'm petrified beyond belief ,I better log off ,sunday night is bad for me bringing up all this ,im aware my nervous system is very sick so its a crap shoot .if im so kindled with fear of the bridge ,my only option is taper venex with serious symptoms ,this will no doubt put a detrimental stress on my relationship.

I hope you ok. 

PB, you and I are on the same boat in so many ways.  The deep pain and intolerable wd is very wearing.  

 

I see you and want you to know you are not alone on your journey. 

 Sept 2013-Apr 2014:  After death of my mom put on as series of meds. Zoloft 6 days, Lexapro1 day, Nortriptyline 10 days, Liquid Prozac 1 week, Cymbalta 1 week.

Got off Clonzapam: 1/2014-9/2014. After given Lamictal, stopped Clonzapam at .125mgs

Completed Remeron taper: 41.25 -0.025mgs  1/2015-4 2017. 

Completed Lamictal Taper: 200mgs-0.05 mgs 7/ 2015-11/2018. 

Clonazapam  December 2018. 0.625 Had paradoxical reaction to Lamictal wd, broke my heart to take a benzo but wasn't sleeping and not thinking straight. 28 March, 2019  4% taper Total: .625mgai   26 May, 2019  4% taper Total: .575 mgai,   24 June, 2019 2.5 % taper  10 Clonzapam tablets weigh1.999 mgpw  Average  200 mgpw.  0.0073mgai 9AM, 0.0073mgai 3PM, .415mgai, Total: 561mgai,  10 July, 2019 (Compounded pills) .0073mgai 9AM,.0073mgai 3PM, .415mgai,

Total .561mgai   26 August, 2019 (Back to regular pills due to bad reaction) .0078mgai 9AM, .01075mgai 3PM, .360mgai PM, Total: .545mgai   26 Sept. 2019 .0775mgai 9AM, .1mgai 3PM, 0.350mgai PM: Total: .5275mgai   31 Oct, 2019 .0750mgai 9AM, .0925mgai 3PM, 0.340mgai 930PM, Total: .5075mgai,   30 Nov. 2019 .0775mgai 9AM, .0825mgai 3PM, .3325mgai 9:30PM, Total:.490mgai   31 Dec. 2019 .0775mgai 9AM,  .080mgai 3PM, .3225mgai 9:30PM,  Total: .4775mgai   31 Jan. 2020 .0725mgai 9AM, .0750mgai 3pm, .315mgai 9:30PM, Total: .4625mgai    29 Feb. 2020  .0675mgai 9AM, .0675 3PM, .305 mgai 9PM Total: .440mgai 31 March 2020 .065mgai 9AM,  .065mgai 3PM, .2925mgai 10PM, Total: 4225mgai  30 April 2020 .0625mgai 9AM, .0625mgai 3PM, .2775mgai 10PM  Total: .4025mgai 31 May 2020 .0625mgai 9AM, .0625 mgai 3PM, .2526 mgai 10PM, Total: .3775mgai  30 June 2020 .0625mgai 9AM, .0625mgai 3PM  .2175 mgai 10PM Total .3425mgai.   31 July 2020 .0575 mgai 9AM .0550 mgai 3PM .180mgai 10PM Total .2925mgai  31 August 2020 .0475mgai 9AM, 0.045mgai 3PM, .01475mgai 10PM Total: .2375mgai  30 September 2020 0.0375mgai 9AM 0.035mgai 3PM 0.110mgai 10PM  Total: .1825mgai 31 October 2020 .0325mgai 9AM .0350mgai 3PM  .0725mgai 9PM

Total: .14mgai  30 Nov. 2020 .03mgai 9AM  .0276mgai 3PM 0.450mgai 9PM Total: .1025mgai 31 Dec. 2020 .02mgai 9AM .02mgai 3PM .02mgai 9PM Total: .06mgai  5 February, 2021 .0150mgai Stepped off of Clonzapam, Benzo Free

 

Additional Support:  Armour Thyroid 75mgs,  Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Magnesium Glycinate

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2 hours ago, powerback said:

hi pink ,I'm petrified beyond belief ,I better log off ,sunday night is bad for me bringing up all this ,im aware my nervous system is very sick so its a crap shoot .if im so kindled with fear of the bridge ,my only option is taper venex with serious symptoms ,this will no doubt put a detrimental stress on my relationship.

I hope you ok. 

All you can do is try the bridge pb...have faith it will all work out.Everything is a guessing game in this pb.But I will be praying for you that this works 🙏🏻 

 

Take care xxx

Binge drinker thru out my life 17/37,recreational use of street drugs 17-30. Numerous AD from age 23 upwards

Matazpine 30mg 2007-2012

Paxil an zopiclone 2012-2016

Taken off Paxil in four weeks in janurary 2016

Given diazepam 2-4 feb to June 2016

C/t diazepam June (had no idea not too)

Reinstated 8mg of diazepam in July,crossed over to 8mg of diazepam! given 7.5 matazpine.

Nov 2016 at 5 mg of diazepam

Given Olanzpine 2.5 November 28th-stopped

paxil 1mg 3rd of dec -stopped

Started liquid diazpam 10th of jan.alchol free 13month

February 2018 - reduced to 4 mg diazepam and 7.5 mg mirtazapine

November 2018 - tried 2% diazepam reduction - updosed back to 4 mg after one week

 

 

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11 hours ago, pinkfairy said:

All you can do is try the bridge pb...have faith it will all work out.Everything is a guessing game in this pb.But I will be praying for you that this works 🙏🏻 

 

Take care xxx

Exactly pink but I do wonder what it is about me that cant get the thought out of my head of just tapering further ,ile over power this and go with prozac .

Take care .

Alcohol free since February 2015 

1MG diazepam

4.5MG PROZAC.

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, Hibari said:

PB, you and I are on the same boat in so many ways.  The deep pain and intolerable wd is very wearing.  

 

I see you and want you to know you are not alone on your journey. 

Hi Hibari ,do we stay in the sinking boat or jump into the shark infested waters 😕,(sorry im a divel for analogys ).

Thanks for your message .

Be safe .

Alcohol free since February 2015 

1MG diazepam

4.5MG PROZAC.

 

 

 

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Hi Powerback, 

 

So very sorry you are going through such a rough time in withdrawal, my friend. Hope you stabilse and feel better soon. Much Love, Healing and Blessings to you, dear PB <3 Take gentle care of yourself <3

Dec 2016: Prazosin 2.5mg x2 at noon and night, Nifidipine 30mg x1 morn, Diltiazem 200mg x1 morn. for hypertension.  Cinnerizine 24mg as needed only. Metformin and Sitagliptin for hyperglycaemia. Vitamin C.

My meds: May 4th 2017 Abilify 10mg. May 10th dropped to 2.5 mg due to side effects. Tapered during several months in 2017. Currently drug free. 2019: I am doing well now, even if not updating this thread as much unless needed, sorry. Focusing more on supporting others' threads. Also friendly warning: Please do not read this thread if not up to it as it can be a somewhat triggering/stressful read, thank you. Love, peace and Blessings to you all <3

 
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Just checked in to your thread, PB, when I saw you were still suffering a lot in limbo.

Good to see lots of folks supporting you and caring, as do I.

I do hope your change of tactics, re the bridge, will give you some relief.

 

I am not in the good vibes club of vowing to be totally clear of the med, anymore, but I am now feeling a little better and more optimistic since I became realistic and have compromised.

 

As you know, I was on 150 - 225mg of Ven for nearly 13 years and had a reasonable to good life.  My journal and other records clearly show this.

 

Currently am on 125mg which is still the lowest steady dose for 17 years years - apart from during the ill-judged 2-year taper I have just endured (July 2016 - May 2018).

Anything is better than the at least 300 days of anguish, chronic fatigue, apathy, irritability, nausea, physical pain peaking at times to dark despair, I have just suffered.

I think the main problems are that, firstly, venlafaxine is near the top of the list for being difficult to taper off, secondly, some of us - depending on our past life experiences - are not going to be able to live a reasonable life without medication, and thirdly, tapering too fast, despite following the guidelines on here, but perhaps fooling ourselves into believing we are ready to reduce a dose when we are not.  Maybe the special case of "our kind on venlafaxine" needs to be addressed with a red alert on sites like SA?.

 

Anyway, PB, reiterating, I now firmly believe - because of the lived experience - some of us are not suitable candidates for being without professional medical help and meds.  Not all doctors are poor judges - difficult to remember when we are in distress and may have got tangled up with one as you seem to have done.  (75mg - 37.5mg reduction?!)

 

Well, all the best bhoy, remember, you must have some kind of special power to still be here - and at times laying floors and stuff for folks - some guy.

Best and warmest regards.

Born 1945. 

1999 - First Effexor/Venlafaxine

2016 Withdrawal research. Effexor.  13Jul - 212.5mg;  6Aug - 200.0mg;  24Aug - 187.5mg;  13Sep - 175.0mg;  3Oct - 162.5mg;  26Oct - 150mg 

2017  9Jan - 150.00mg;  23Mar - 137.50mg;  24Apr - 125.00mg;  31May - 112.50mg holding;  3Sep - 100.00mg;  20Sep - 93.75mg;  20Oct - 87.5mg;  12Nov - 81.25mg;  13 Dec - 75.00mg

2018  18Jan - 69.1mg; 16Feb - 62.5mg; 16March - 57.5mg (-8%); 22Apr - 56.3mg(-2%); CRASHED - Updose 29May - 62.5mg; Updose - 1Jul - 75.0mg. Updose - 2Aug - 87.5mg. Updose - 27Aug - 100.0mg. Updose - 11Oct 112.5mg. Updose - 6Nov 125.00mg

2019 Updoses 19 Jan - 150.0mg. 1April - 162.5mg. 24 April - Feeling better - doing tasks, getting outside.  7 May - usual depression questionnaire gives "probably no depression" result.

Supps/Vits  Omega 3;  Chelated Magnesium;  Prebiotics/Probiotics, Vit D3. 

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5 hours ago, powerback said:

Hi Hibari ,do we stay in the sinking boat or jump into the shark infested waters 😕,(sorry im a divel for analogys ).

Thanks for your message .

Be safe .

Good question.  I'm not sure those are only choices.  Maybe getting the holes in the filled will help. That's what I'm aiming for right now.  

 

H

 

 

 Sept 2013-Apr 2014:  After death of my mom put on as series of meds. Zoloft 6 days, Lexapro1 day, Nortriptyline 10 days, Liquid Prozac 1 week, Cymbalta 1 week.

Got off Clonzapam: 1/2014-9/2014. After given Lamictal, stopped Clonzapam at .125mgs

Completed Remeron taper: 41.25 -0.025mgs  1/2015-4 2017. 

Completed Lamictal Taper: 200mgs-0.05 mgs 7/ 2015-11/2018. 

Clonazapam  December 2018. 0.625 Had paradoxical reaction to Lamictal wd, broke my heart to take a benzo but wasn't sleeping and not thinking straight. 28 March, 2019  4% taper Total: .625mgai   26 May, 2019  4% taper Total: .575 mgai,   24 June, 2019 2.5 % taper  10 Clonzapam tablets weigh1.999 mgpw  Average  200 mgpw.  0.0073mgai 9AM, 0.0073mgai 3PM, .415mgai, Total: 561mgai,  10 July, 2019 (Compounded pills) .0073mgai 9AM,.0073mgai 3PM, .415mgai,

Total .561mgai   26 August, 2019 (Back to regular pills due to bad reaction) .0078mgai 9AM, .01075mgai 3PM, .360mgai PM, Total: .545mgai   26 Sept. 2019 .0775mgai 9AM, .1mgai 3PM, 0.350mgai PM: Total: .5275mgai   31 Oct, 2019 .0750mgai 9AM, .0925mgai 3PM, 0.340mgai 930PM, Total: .5075mgai,   30 Nov. 2019 .0775mgai 9AM, .0825mgai 3PM, .3325mgai 9:30PM, Total:.490mgai   31 Dec. 2019 .0775mgai 9AM,  .080mgai 3PM, .3225mgai 9:30PM,  Total: .4775mgai   31 Jan. 2020 .0725mgai 9AM, .0750mgai 3pm, .315mgai 9:30PM, Total: .4625mgai    29 Feb. 2020  .0675mgai 9AM, .0675 3PM, .305 mgai 9PM Total: .440mgai 31 March 2020 .065mgai 9AM,  .065mgai 3PM, .2925mgai 10PM, Total: 4225mgai  30 April 2020 .0625mgai 9AM, .0625mgai 3PM, .2775mgai 10PM  Total: .4025mgai 31 May 2020 .0625mgai 9AM, .0625 mgai 3PM, .2526 mgai 10PM, Total: .3775mgai  30 June 2020 .0625mgai 9AM, .0625mgai 3PM  .2175 mgai 10PM Total .3425mgai.   31 July 2020 .0575 mgai 9AM .0550 mgai 3PM .180mgai 10PM Total .2925mgai  31 August 2020 .0475mgai 9AM, 0.045mgai 3PM, .01475mgai 10PM Total: .2375mgai  30 September 2020 0.0375mgai 9AM 0.035mgai 3PM 0.110mgai 10PM  Total: .1825mgai 31 October 2020 .0325mgai 9AM .0350mgai 3PM  .0725mgai 9PM

Total: .14mgai  30 Nov. 2020 .03mgai 9AM  .0276mgai 3PM 0.450mgai 9PM Total: .1025mgai 31 Dec. 2020 .02mgai 9AM .02mgai 3PM .02mgai 9PM Total: .06mgai  5 February, 2021 .0150mgai Stepped off of Clonzapam, Benzo Free

 

Additional Support:  Armour Thyroid 75mgs,  Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Magnesium Glycinate

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