powerback: tapering no 2

[Leo1983]

Hi. Im just going to chip in sorry!

 

Yes yes yes - my IQ is that of a gold fish. Except i cant swim for the fact of getting there anyways ......

 

My concentration, memory, brain you name it is smashed. 

 

My biscuit tin is no longer full of hob nobs. Its full of smashed mis fits. 

 

If you read it is a common symptom. It bothers me alot. 

[powerback]

48 minutes ago, Alanmane said:

I accept this process and try to handle it as best I can, I know I will go out, in half a year I have gone down from 150mg to 64mg so I have already done a lot of work, now I have to continue. My mood is stable although I do not feel very happy, above all it bothers me to feel little concentrated, something mentally slow, is this common? Does it happen to you?

 

A greeting and a lot of strength.

Mentally slow yep and the concentration ,don't fight it ,on bad days just accept it and float  .that's a good chunk off your dose in 6 months ,fairplay mate .but ide recommend checking in with a mod/Alto  going further because symptoms can attack further down the road .

Im not blowing you off mate ,im just not comfortable giving advice on meds because im far from a good example of tapering .

Theres a big difference between not being happy and serious depression ,so don't be too hard on yourself .

Take care .

[powerback]

52 minutes ago, Leo1983 said:

Hi. Im just going to chip in sorry!

 

Yes yes yes - my IQ is that of a gold fish. Except i cant swim for the fact of getting there anyways ......

 

My concentration, memory, brain you name it is smashed. 

 

My biscuit tin is no longer full of hob nobs. Its full of smashed mis fits. 

 

If you read it is a common symptom. It bothers me alot. 

Chip away leo no sweat ,I often set an alarm to remind me ive something in the oven or cooker but usually the smell reminds me . 

[Alanmane]

33 minutes ago, powerback said:

Mentalmente disminuya la velocidad y la concentración, no lo pelee, en los días malos, simplemente acéptelo y flote. Eso es una buena parte de su dosis en 6 meses, un compañero de juego limpio, pero le recomiendo que consulte con un mod / Alto que vaya más lejos porque los síntomas Puede atacar más allá de la carretera.

No estoy decepcionando a mi compañero, simplemente no me siento cómodo dando consejos sobre medicamentos porque estoy lejos de ser un buen ejemplo de reducción.

Hay una gran diferencia entre no ser feliz y una depresión grave, así que no seas demasiado duro contigo mismo.

Cuídate .

Yes, I am learning to accept and I do not punish myself for not being very agile now, I flow without problems most days. About my reduction I will continue as my body asks me, without going fast but not slow, I do not want to follow percentages or calendars, just go slowly and listen to my mind and body. Thank you for your answers, it's not about giving advice, just telling about retirement experiences and different points of view.

 

a greeting

[powerback]

On ‎11‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 8:41 PM, Alanmane said:

Yes, I am learning to accept and I do not punish myself for not being very agile now, I flow without problems most days. About my reduction I will continue as my body asks me, without going fast but not slow, I do not want to follow percentages or calendars, just go slowly and listen to my mind and body. Thank you for your answers, it's not about giving advice, just telling about retirement experiences and different points of view.

 

a greeting

Your welcome Alanmane ,best of luck on your journey to healing of all kinds 🙏.

[powerback]

Hi everyone having a day of "acceptance" 🤨and trying to relax .very trying indeed .

Watching a tv series the last few nights and I took 2 sayings from it that interested me and relate to me a lot.

1. you are at war with yourself.

2.If you look into the abys for long enough it looks back into you .

These totally apply to me ,I think 2 is Friedrich Nietzsche.

Peace 🙏.

[apace41]

1 minute ago, powerback said:

I think 2 is Friedrich Nietzsche.

 

Yes.  It is.  

 

Enjoy the day of acceptance.

 

Best,

 

Andy

[powerback]

5 minutes ago, apace41 said:

 

Yes.  It is.  

 

Enjoy the day of acceptance.

 

Best,

 

Andy

Hi Andy 👍.hope your well my friend .

[wantrelief]

49 minutes ago, powerback said:

you are at war with yourself

Withdrawal really does feel like this.  Hang in there, PB.  Thinking about you - WR.

[powerback]

1 hour ago, wantrelief said:

Withdrawal really does feel like this.  Hang in there, PB.  Thinking about you - WR.

Exactly WR hi and I hope your well 🙏 .

 

[powerback]

Hi ,ive been doing some reading while extremely sick ,I'm 2 weeks at 37.5 and im much worse ,I reckon im being poisoned because since there's more of the drug in my system this corelates the drug to me and not withdrawal [I have it in me to do something silly lately] .

The feeling of tension and tiredness around  my eyes is tremendous .[signs of autoimmune disease] 

ive no choice but to change the drug .I wont be telling anyone in my life outside of here ,maybe my partner because I wont be able to hide it but the poor women isn't built for this hardship.

I'm petrified  .

I have all the info I need from alto and the mods .

Take care .

Best of luck to everyone and thanks for any encouragement in advance .

Apologies for any nasty triggers . 

I'm aware I'm repeating myself a lot here so thanks and respect .

[wantrelief]

I am so sorry you've felt so unwell, PB.  I really really hope the Prozac bridge (I assume that is what you are referring to) gives you some peace and you can then taper down from there.  Thinking about you - WR.

[Leo1983]

Your suffering with the shite in ya body so my opinion is stop the lot and suffer without it. Twatful stuff mate!!

 

Or fair play prozac. You want off the lot ASAP. 

 

Wish ya luck. 

[apace41]

37 minutes ago, Leo1983 said:

Your suffering with the shite in ya body so my opinion is stop the lot and suffer without it. Twatful stuff mate!!

 

Leo,

 

There are different degrees of suffering.  You are entitled to your opinion but if suffering was an indication to cold turkey there would very likely be a lot of people on this board moving from very uncomfortable to disabled.  Please be careful with those kind of suggestions as people in distress can be highly suggestible.  We do not advocate cold turkey solutions.

 

Best,

 

Andy

[powerback]

22 minutes ago, Leo1983 said:

Your suffering with the shite in ya body so my opinion is stop the lot and suffer without it. Twatful stuff mate!!

 

Or fair play prozac. You want off the lot ASAP. 

 

Wish ya luck. 

Exactly Leo .I was totally wrong how I went about the taper but that's on me for the most part .I'm fed up with myself ,let alone the people i live with .I'm super conscious of my very dark moods.I left house today in no fit state because of it,if I lived alone ide try a faster taper ,my biggest problem is my living arrangements .I'm highly irritated .

I need to find someone I trust ,I want to get my affairs in order ,I'm sick to the back teeth of living like this .if it goes wrong that's it .but I believe im at the worst to try something different .ide imagine a cold turkey would be worse.

Take care .

 

[apace41]

1 minute ago, powerback said:

but I believe im at the worst to try something different .ide imagine a cold turkey would be worse.

 

Per Alto's suggestion, PB, trying the bridge makes a lot of sense, especially because it moves you from one "type" of drug (SNRI) to another (SSRI).  With any luck you will see some modest improvements early on in the shift as you get the venlafaxine out of the system and bring the Prozac on board.

 

Fingers crossed.

 

Best,

 

Andy

[powerback]

6 minutes ago, apace41 said:

 

Per Alto's suggestion, PB, trying the bridge makes a lot of sense, especially because it moves you from one "type" of drug (SNRI) to another (SSRI).  With any luck you will see some modest improvements early on in the shift as you get the venlafaxine out of the system and bring the Prozac on board.

 

Fingers crossed.

 

Best,

 

Andy

sound Andy thanks for coming by ,I'm already thinking of the weight gain ,this seems to be an issue on Prozac .Anyway needs must .

Take care .

[apace41]

Just now, powerback said:

sound Andy thanks for coming by ,I'm already thinking of the weight gain ,this seems to be an issue on Prozac .Anyway needs must .

Take care .

 

Keep your priorities straight, PB.  I would be happy looking like Santa Claus (spirit of the season)  if I felt like I did before meds.

 

You can lose the weight down the road (if you even gain it).

 

Best,

 

Andy

[Leo1983]

Andy i appreciate your opinion. 

 

However at no point do i mention CT!

 

I mention getting off it asap. And suffer without it. Or use the prozac. 

 

I see this alot on here however it does not make it right. There are i agree alot of people who are vulnerable and do not need extra pressure. 

 

Thanks

 

Lee. 

[powerback]

1 minute ago, apace41 said:

 

Keep your priorities straight, PB.  I would be happy looking like Santa Claus (spirit of the season)  if I felt like I did before meds.

 

You can lose the weight down the road (if you even gain it).

 

Best,

 

Andy

👍 cheers ,im on a total negative biased .

[Leo1983]

PB. I hope you withdraw the best way possible but it seems to me you need to start making a move to get off the stuff however that may be.

 

Im sure the advise will be good and i do wish you luck. 

[apace41]

57 minutes ago, Leo1983 said:

stop the lot and suffer without it.

 

Sorry if I misunderstood, Leo.  I took these words to imply cold turkey.

 

If that's not your suggestion we are all on the same page.

 

Best,

 

Andy

[pinkfairy]

Pb don’t even think of a CT as there is different levels to this what is unthinkable.

 

your talking to some one who as lost everything due to CT & house bound.Can function enough to cook that’s it.We all want off ASAP but you would tramatize your brain & CNS so bad...

 

This is all about a leap of faith here pb I can imagine how very frightened you are.But  you have come so far to let all this hard work go.The fear is also chemical as well pb.What ever you decide to do I wish you all the luck in this world.

 

one day your going to look back at this chapter & be so grateful you didn’t give up.Its just a chapter & all chapters end.just like seasons...Then when this chapter is over you can start a whole new beginning.

 

All storms run out of rain PB...

 

Best of luck to you my friend & keep the faith because your worth it 🙏🏻♥️ Xxx

[Leo1983]

I feel i have to explain i was not advocating CT. However i do think you need a plan to start getting off. 

 

You have wrote many times how the meds are poisioning you?. So i would think getting off is a good plan to make. 

 

Thats all i meant. 

[powerback]

12 minutes ago, Leo1983 said:

PB. I hope you withdraw the best way possible but it seems to me you need to start making a move to get off the stuff however that may be.

 

Im sure the advise will be good and i do wish you luck. 

Best way possible was missed more than 3 years ago when I knew nothing of this process and I followed my doctor to the word 75mg cut in half ,ive been in the choppy ocean since ,a good while after that  I challenged him on the cut in half ,he went on to be defensive and say "I don't know what you do with them meds at home ",nice hey . this is what happens when you challenge authority .

I can see your being thoughtful and hoping for an end in sight for a fellow sufferer  ,there is no silver bullet i made that mistake many years ago ,thinking there was .

Take care leo ,respect to your healing ,ile defo take you up on any questions about Prozac if needs be👍 .

[powerback]

5 minutes ago, Leo1983 said:

I feel i have to explain i was not advocating CT. However i do think you need a plan to start getting off. 

 

You have wrote many times how the meds are poisioning you?. So i would think getting off is a good plan to make. 

 

Thats all i meant. 

sound ,no sweat .Your fairly on the money because I often made a choice to put tapering off for external reasons and I never achieved any healing in that respect .theres members on here nearly healed from cold turkeys 2 years ago .

In some respects I kicked the can down the road for too long I believe .

 

[Rosetta]

I'm sad that you are suffering so much, PB.  Let's hope Prozac makes a difference that is a good one.  It has for others.  Venlafaxine seems to be a particularly bad AD.

[powerback]

3 minutes ago, Rosetta said:

I'm sad that you are suffering so much, PB.  Let's hope Prozac makes a difference that is a good one.  It has for others.  Venlafaxine seems to be a particularly bad AD.

Thanks Rosetta your very kind .I do wonder if I've stretched the elastic band to far sometimes take care . 

 

[powerback]

20 minutes ago, pinkfairy said:

Pb don’t even think of a CT as there is different levels to this what is unthinkable.

 

your talking to some one who as lost everything due to CT & house bound.Can function enough to cook that’s it.We all want off ASAP but you would tramatize your brain & CNS so bad...

 

This is all about a leap of faith here pb I can imagine how very frightened you are.But  you have come so far to let all this hard work go.The fear is also chemical as well pb.What ever you decide to do I wish you all the luck in this world.

 

one day your going to look back at this chapter & be so grateful you didn’t give up.Its just a chapter & all chapters end.just like seasons...Then when this chapter is over you can start a whole new beginning.

 

All storms run out of rain PB...

 

Best of luck to you my friend & keep the faith because your worth it 🙏🏻♥️ Xxx

hi pink ,I'm petrified beyond belief ,I better log off ,sunday night is bad for me bringing up all this ,im aware my nervous system is very sick so its a crap shoot .if im so kindled with fear of the bridge ,my only option is taper venex with serious symptoms ,this will no doubt put a detrimental stress on my relationship.

I hope you ok. 

[Hibari]

1 hour ago, powerback said:

hi pink ,I'm petrified beyond belief ,I better log off ,sunday night is bad for me bringing up all this ,im aware my nervous system is very sick so its a crap shoot .if im so kindled with fear of the bridge ,my only option is taper venex with serious symptoms ,this will no doubt put a detrimental stress on my relationship.

I hope you ok. 

PB, you and I are on the same boat in so many ways.  The deep pain and intolerable wd is very wearing.  

 

I see you and want you to know you are not alone on your journey. 

[pinkfairy]

2 hours ago, powerback said:

hi pink ,I'm petrified beyond belief ,I better log off ,sunday night is bad for me bringing up all this ,im aware my nervous system is very sick so its a crap shoot .if im so kindled with fear of the bridge ,my only option is taper venex with serious symptoms ,this will no doubt put a detrimental stress on my relationship.

I hope you ok. 

All you can do is try the bridge pb...have faith it will all work out.Everything is a guessing game in this pb.But I will be praying for you that this works 🙏🏻 

 

Take care xxx

[powerback]

11 hours ago, pinkfairy said:

All you can do is try the bridge pb...have faith it will all work out.Everything is a guessing game in this pb.But I will be praying for you that this works 🙏🏻 

 

Take care xxx

Exactly pink but I do wonder what it is about me that cant get the thought out of my head of just tapering further ,ile over power this and go with prozac .

Take care .

[powerback]

12 hours ago, Hibari said:

PB, you and I are on the same boat in so many ways.  The deep pain and intolerable wd is very wearing.  

 

I see you and want you to know you are not alone on your journey. 

Hi Hibari ,do we stay in the sinking boat or jump into the shark infested waters 😕,(sorry im a divel for analogys ).

Thanks for your message .

Be safe .

[Benzhelp]

Hi Powerback, 

 

So very sorry you are going through such a rough time in withdrawal, my friend. Hope you stabilse and feel better soon. Much Love, Healing and Blessings to you, dear PB <3 Take gentle care of yourself <3

[peng]

Just checked in to your thread, PB, when I saw you were still suffering a lot in limbo.

Good to see lots of folks supporting you and caring, as do I.

I do hope your change of tactics, re the bridge, will give you some relief.

 

I am not in the good vibes club of vowing to be totally clear of the med, anymore, but I am now feeling a little better and more optimistic since I became realistic and have compromised.

 

As you know, I was on 150 - 225mg of Ven for nearly 13 years and had a reasonable to good life.  My journal and other records clearly show this.

 

Currently am on 125mg which is still the lowest steady dose for 17 years years - apart from during the ill-judged 2-year taper I have just endured (July 2016 - May 2018).

Anything is better than the at least 300 days of anguish, chronic fatigue, apathy, irritability, nausea, physical pain peaking at times to dark despair, I have just suffered.

I think the main problems are that, firstly, venlafaxine is near the top of the list for being difficult to taper off, secondly, some of us - depending on our past life experiences - are not going to be able to live a reasonable life without medication, and thirdly, tapering too fast, despite following the guidelines on here, but perhaps fooling ourselves into believing we are ready to reduce a dose when we are not.  Maybe the special case of "our kind on venlafaxine" needs to be addressed with a red alert on sites like SA?.

 

Anyway, PB, reiterating, I now firmly believe - because of the lived experience - some of us are not suitable candidates for being without professional medical help and meds.  Not all doctors are poor judges - difficult to remember when we are in distress and may have got tangled up with one as you seem to have done.  (75mg - 37.5mg reduction?!)

 

Well, all the best bhoy, remember, you must have some kind of special power to still be here - and at times laying floors and stuff for folks - some guy.

Best and warmest regards.

[Hibari]

5 hours ago, powerback said:

Hi Hibari ,do we stay in the sinking boat or jump into the shark infested waters 😕,(sorry im a divel for analogys ).

Thanks for your message .

Be safe .

Good question.  I'm not sure those are only choices.  Maybe getting the holes in the filled will help. That's what I'm aiming for right now.  

 

H