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Altostrata

Did you try a tiny chip of Effexor?

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1 minute ago, Altostrata said:

Did you try a tiny chip of Effexor?

ye ,its hard to tell what difference it made but I do remember it being not a nightmare day when I took it ,I have it logged .

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Just now, powerback said:

ye ,its hard to tell what difference it made but I do remember it being not a nightmare day when I took it ,I have it logged .

 

If I were you, I'd take a tiny chip of Effexor in the morning for a while. This should help your system settle down.

 

Give it a week, see if you need a bit more Prozac.

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Just now, Altostrata said:

 

If I were you, I'd take a tiny chip of Effexor in the morning for a while. This should help your system settle down.

 

Give it a week, see if you need a bit more Prozac.

 

Just now, Altostrata said:

 

If I were you, I'd take a tiny chip of Effexor in the morning for a while. This should help your system settle down.

 

Give it a week, see if you need a bit more Prozac.

I was thinking going to 6mg prozac alright [currently on 5 mg]

Thanks Alto 👍.

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Altostrata

I think your system needs a little Effexor to get over the transition. I expect this will go away, then we can assess the Prozac dosing.

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8 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

I think your system needs a little Effexor to get over the transition. I expect this will go away, then we can assess the Prozac dosing.

Ok sound thanks alto.i should get the empty capsules handy enough in chemist .maybe even more venlafaxine  to be safe  .

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Altostrata

A gelatin capsule might make a tablet fragment easier to get down, but it is not necessary if you can wash it down with a good swallow of water. The gelatin capsule quickly dissolves in your stomach.

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2 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

A gelatin capsule might make a tablet fragment easier to get down, but it is not necessary if you can wash it down with a good swallow of water. The gelatin capsule quickly dissolves in your stomach.

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Steve61

How you doing , PB ? Getting any better since the switch ?

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14 minutes ago, Steve61 said:

How you doing , PB ? Getting any better since the switch ?

Hi Steve thanks for checking in ,I hope your well .

its very early days but so far this process has just added more problems .

I wont be writing anymore about symptoms and the extraordinary madness of living with a brain and nervous system this sick.  

Aches /pains , serious tension in my muscles is driving me nuts ,neck shoulders and back . 

 

I just hope spring brings an improvement . 

 

I'm in dangerous territory  of being sick of myself .

 

Im wondering about previous damage to my system from my lifestyle,ive got insight now after more than 30 months of this process ,its not as simple as blaming the meds for everything.

 

How's yourself . 

 

 

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No , sometimes I don’t think it’s all about the meds although until I’m off them I won’t know for sure.

 

I tapered again last Wednesday and yesterday and today have been pretty rough. Not as much mentally as physically. Severe joint aches and pains . Some paranoia and anger as well. Took it out on my partner yesterday which is something I try to avoid doing. Had to do a lot of apologising last night. Very lucky that she is so understanding.  I haven’t updated my own thread yet but I will. My concentration isn’t too good today. 

 

Oh well, we continue our journey and help each other. I always get encouragement from the success stories.

Good Luck

Steve

 

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52 minutes ago, Steve61 said:

No , sometimes I don’t think it’s all about the meds although until I’m off them I won’t know for sure.

 

I tapered again last Wednesday and yesterday and today have been pretty rough. Not as much mentally as physically. Severe joint aches and pains . Some paranoia and anger as well. Took it out on my partner yesterday which is something I try to avoid doing. Had to do a lot of apologising last night. Very lucky that she is so understanding.  I haven’t updated my own thread yet but I will. My concentration isn’t too good today. 

 

Oh well, we continue our journey and help each other. I always get encouragement from the success stories.

Good Luck

Steve

 

Do a hold for a while steve ,its not worth the torture

.I cant believe im much worse than a year ago .

Im running out of options fast .

 

I can't believe how vunerable I am .

 

I feel like one of them dogs in a garden ,barking at everyone in sight .my brain is coming up with arguments constantly .

I cant sustain this madness.

Ile end up alone fast being this toxic.

 

Its great your partner is understandable .

Mine is also but I cant forgive myself .

Take care steve.

 

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18 minutes ago, powerback said:

Do a hold for a while steve ,its not worth the torture

.I cant believe im much worse than a year ago .

Im running out of options fast .

 

I can't believe how vunerable I am .

 

I feel like one of them dogs in a garden ,barking at everyone in sight .my brain is coming up with arguments constantly .

I cant sustain this madness.

Ile end up alone fast being this toxic.

 

Its great your partner is understandable .

Mine is also but I cant forgive myself .

Take care steve.

 

Try and keep it in the day PB. That’s what I am trying to do. If Im having an awful day I try to think that I only have to endure it for today. Tomorrow might be different. We’ve always got hope , PB 🤗🤗

 

Hope thst you don’t mind virtual hugs off a man !!

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10 minutes ago, Steve61 said:

Try and keep it in the day PB. That’s what I am trying to do. If Im having an awful day I try to think that I only have to endure it for today. Tomorrow might be different. We’ve always got hope , PB 🤗🤗

 

Hope thst you don’t mind virtual hugs off a man

Cheers steve very kind of you, but dont get too close, youl get the arm ripped off you in this mood .

I dont believe for a second this a wave .its the rule .

Keep yourself well .

 

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29 minutes ago, powerback said:

Cheers steve very kind of you, but dont get too close, youl get the arm ripped off you in this mood .

I dont believe for a second this a wave .its the rule .

Keep yourself well .

 

If you are right and it’s not a wave , there’s still lots of hope. We can change . For what it’s worth , I think the drugs must still be playing a part. We won’t know what we are left with until they are out of our system and our brains heal. That will take time. We will get there PB. I have lots of hope and faith for both of us.

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dj2010

How you doing today pb? Hope you feeling a bit better

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Martina23

Hi pb,

 

I am sorry that you are feeling worse. I guess it is because that you are still taking medication. Do you still take Prozac? 5 mg? I watched yesterday this video from Virapen, where he said he was reaponsible for one clinical study and the first week two healthy volunteers have tried to commit suicide. It was an interesting video. I am well. Today I almost quit my job again. I am already working for one coleague who is for 3 months away from the office. And the boss wanted today that I work also for the second one who quit. So I had to work for three people. We quarelled and most probably I will start working half time again.

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1 hour ago, dj2010 said:

How you doing today pb? Hope you feeling a bit better

HI DJ thanks for the check in ,today is better than yesterday that's for sure ,so ile take that .yesterday was nuts ,held on by the skin of my teeth all day .I even "nearly" got out for a walk in the sun earlier .getting back on track with my food prep and good eating .

Ile take better today than yesterday for now .

How's yourself ,think yous have the cold before us .

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3 minutes ago, Martina23 said:

Hi pb,

 

I am sorry that you are feeling worse. I guess it is because that you are still taking medication. Do you still take Prozac? 5 mg? I watched yesterday this video from Virapen, where he said he was reaponsible for one clinical study and the first week two healthy volunteers have tried to commit suicide. It was an interesting video. I am well. Today I almost quit my job again. I am already working for one coleague who is for 3 months away from the office. And the boss wanted today that I work also for the second one who quit. So I had to work for three people. We quarelled and most probably I will start working half time again.

Hi Martina ,well that's ridiculous having to take on others work .

I always wonder about the term "you'll get worse before better"when they start people on meds .how many stick with the agony because they listen to the advice and they would be better off putting them in the bin .I'm fairly strongly suicidal lately alright  but I have my tools and ile batten down through it .

Take care.

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6 minutes ago, powerback said:

Hi Martina ,well that's ridiculous having to take on others work .

I always wonder about the term "you'll get worse before better"when they start people on meds .how many stick with the agony because they listen to the advice and they would be better off putting them in the bin .I'm fairly strongly suicidal lately alright  but I have my tools and ile batten down through it .

Take care.

me  for 18 years..... when I couldn't properly metabolize any of the drugs they put me on ... they kept adding more like that was the answer.... 

you'll get worse before better"when they start people on meds .how many stick with the agony because they listen to the advice I think they said 8 wks to wait for them to work by then they could have sold me swamp land or anything ... my brain was gone... that is the thing too dense to know your dense... trick may have been to quit early... even in doing that was prozac after a wk or two it was too late... the fallout took years and got me a few more dx... what was plainly a severe adverse reaction to was dx as other things and more pills came .. I was so trusting.. it is sad. 

 

"Trust and you will be trusted said the liar to the fool"

I was that fool. 

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6 minutes ago, btdt said:

me  for 18 years..... when I couldn't properly metabolize any of the drugs they put me on ... they kept adding more like that was the answer.... 

you'll get worse before better"when they start people on meds .how many stick with the agony because they listen to the advice I think they said 8 wks to wait for them to work by then they could have sold me swamp land or anything ... my brain was gone... that is the thing too dense to know your dense... trick may have been to quit early... even in doing that was prozac after a wk or two it was too late... the fallout took years and got me a few more dx... what was plainly a severe adverse reaction to was dx as other things and more pills came .. I was so trusting.. it is sad. 

 

"Trust and you will be trusted said the liar to the fool"

I was that fool. 

Hi btdt ,its scandalous .I was watching a documentary on Netflix about the thalidomide scandal .sadly this could be nothing compared to what we face the last few decades .

so the route to go down in the future is how ones system metabolises the drug  before even touching them .

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Hi PB - I am so sorry you are struggling at the moment.  I am so glad today is better than yesterday; really hoping this is a good sign of your nervous system settling in with the switch.  I am thinking about you - WR.

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16 hours ago, powerback said:

HI DJ thanks for the check in ,today is better than yesterday that's for sure ,so ile take that .yesterday was nuts ,held on by the skin of my teeth all day .I even "nearly" got out for a walk in the sun earlier .getting back on track with my food prep and good eating .

Ile take better today than yesterday for now .

How's yourself ,think yous have the cold before us .

 

thats great PB, really good sign that you are getting windows and waves, best hold for 3 months before trying to taper the prozac, make sure no delayed withdrawal from the venlafaxine first,

 

hopefully you will get out for a walk today, only couple months now until we start getting improved weather

 

im doing good thanks, had a couple bad nights recently but not too bad, had loads of stuff going on so overactive mind, got a solid 7 hours last night so hopefully snapped out of it

 

take care

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Altostrata

pb, did you try a tiny chip of Effexor? How are you today?

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2 hours ago, Altostrata said:

pb, did you try a tiny chip of Effexor? How are you today?

Hi Alto ,ive been doing the tiny chip for a few days now ,im mostly very unstable .I actually had to take two 250micro gram Xanax last night ,within 30mins I loved the drowsiness that came over me and I slept from 10am until 8am .my system is craving a break badly .

Going up to 5,5mg Prozac what you reckon .

Thanks for checking in ,it means a lot .

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Martina23

Hi pb I read your update and I am sorry  that you still suffer so much.

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9 minutes ago, Martina23 said:

Hi pb I read your update and I am sorry  that you still suffer so much.

Hi martina ,yep if it wasn't reality it could be a  horror movie to turn off,i wish  .no one likes a pity party so ile grin and bare it .lately its a nightmare one day and not so much a nightmare the next .

I now understand why people end up on stronger dirtier drugs because the drama constantly going on in my mind is unsustainable .

 

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6 minutes ago, powerback said:

lately its a nightmare one day and not so much a nightmare the next .

 

PB,

 

Sometimes windows and waves can be disguised as "less crap" and "crap", but it shows a pattern nonetheless.

 

I know you don't want to hear it while you feel generally like something people try not to step in on the sidewalk, but this is modestly encouraging.

 

Best,

 

Andy

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Just now, apace41 said:

 

PB,

 

Sometimes windows and waves can be disguised as "less crap" and "crap", but it shows a pattern nonetheless.

 

I know you don't want to hear it while you feel generally like something people try not to step in on the sidewalk, but this is modestly encouraging.

 

Best,

 

Andy

Hi Andy happy new year,im tryng to judge if its the switch or Effexor withdrawl ,its very bad ,ive acid burning headaches for days .

Im not taking Prozac for a year and so unstable .im very watchful every hour because of  the SI ,my mind is going to nasty places ,I don't want to for one second but ive done enough reading to know what I'm in for .its weird because im also able to be jovial while texting a friend on the phone .

You mods are brilliant ,help all newbies before me .my soul is shattered.

I was so unstable last night and it was a night my partner really needed me ,shes a great person and it destroys me not being able to be strong for her ,I did my best .

the empathic feeling I have feels like that movie the green mile ,today im like him and I just want to sleep with a heavy   heart .

Thanks andy take care mate .

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3 minutes ago, powerback said:

my mind is going to nasty places ,I don't want to for one second but ive done enough reading to know what I'm in for .its weird because im also able to be jovial while texting a friend on the phone .

 

These swings are a normal part of the "healing process" and they are why conventional psychiatry takes a look, calls it bipolar 1, and adds a "mood stabilizer" to the mix.

 

4 minutes ago, powerback said:

You mods are brilliant

 

On behalf of my colleagues (and there are several lights that shine WAY brighter than mine) thank you for saying that.

 

5 minutes ago, powerback said:

help all newbies before me .my soul is shattered

 

Don't lose sight of the fact this is temporary, PB.  Feels like forever but it's not.  You still have a strong soul and, from all you post, a very good soul.  You will reemerge when this is over -- like the Phoenix rising.

 

6 minutes ago, powerback said:

I was so unstable last night and it was a night my partner really needed me ,shes a great person and it destroys me not being able to be strong for her ,I did my best .

 

More evidence of your being a good soul.  She's sticking by you -- you are a lucky man.

 

Best,

 

Andy

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9 minutes ago, apace41 said:

-- you are a lucky man

come on now Andy if I wanted comedy ide put on Saturday night live .😂 only jokn .cheers thanks .

I'm my own worse enemy is what I've discovered .

Take care Andy 

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10 minutes ago, powerback said:

I'm my own worse enemy is what I've discovered .

 

Be careful not to engage in self-blame during this horrific process.  You seem like a good guy with his head and heart in the right place.

 

Own that.

 

Best,

 

Andy

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34 minutes ago, apace41 said:

self-blame during this horrific process. 

My biggest problem.

Cheers andy 👍.

Be safe .

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Altostrata

pb, can you determine what effect Prozac has on you? How do you feel in the several hours after you take it?

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On 1/8/2019 at 10:14 AM, powerback said:

Hi btdt ,its scandalous .I was watching a documentary on Netflix about the thalidomide scandal .sadly this could be nothing compared to what we face the last few decades .

so the route to go down in the future is how ones system metabolises the drug  before even touching them .

genetically I am part Irish not sure where my metabolism genes come from but it could be there ...since I notice your in Ireland.   Thing is the genetic testing I can access most doctors do not think is valid so they will push the drugs anyway ...it is always up to us what drug we put in our body...unless we are unconscious in emerg... then it is a crap shoot. 

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7 hours ago, powerback said:

My biggest problem.

Cheers andy 👍.

Be safe .

It is a trap Andy and I think you will find all of us have fell into it for a time... if you can find a thread on  here called neuroemotions take a look at that ... some of the crap we go thru it due to the drug effects on our brains and getting stuck there is a bad idea... anything that gets you unstuck is favourable to being stuck... there are a lot of ideas in that thread on how to get out how to distract and how to treat yourself with love... yes love and kindness... unlocks the trap.. as does mindfulness... there should be a old thread here called the power of now... take a look at that... all that has gone before is done the only thing with any power any real power is the minute your living right now... and you can affect this minute... you can so... take step towards healing try the tapping take a walk have a epson salt bath... move in some direction towards health... eat some green veggies buy a juicer... everything counts. 

when nothing is moving fast distraction can be key... color watch a meditation video avoid the news... watch cartoons... just be in nature. it is healing

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