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Is there anything worse than psych drugs?

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phoenix7

Maybe chemotherapy pills? But even those dont have these nasty withdrawals..

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Mort81

Maybe only the pills that kill you immediately like rat poison

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LexAnger

I have a friend who went through chemo therapy followed by multiple pshyc drugs told me this, chemo is a piece of cake as compared to pshyc drug. And she didn't even have any problems withdrawal all those drugs, only the side effects.

 

As for poisons killing ppl immediately, it's still better than these pshyc drugs, as they put you into the worst longest most bazaar suffering as someone put it, it's below death!

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LexAnger

Want to add one thing more, they take away your dignity nothing in the whole world does. I was so gphoping I can die but I can't die like this leaving my family suffer from the indignity

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Mort81

Lex I agree with you its a shame, in 50 yrs people will look back and wonder how the hell this was allowed to happen. I wish I abused other substances instead of SSRI. I would be healthier right now If I drank, smoked and took steroids everyday for the last 7 yrs.

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tjdeepthinker

I have a friend who went through chemo therapy followed by multiple pshyc drugs told me this, chemo is a piece of cake as compared to pshyc drug. And she didn't even have any problems withdrawal all those drugs, only the side effects.

 

As for poisons killing ppl immediately, it's still better than these pshyc drugs, as they put you into the worst longest most bazaar suffering as someone put it, it's below death!

I think this is true. Although not to take away from the poor people who go through chemo! That is it's own type of hell! But I think... Maybe if we were more accepted / supported / listened to by modern medicine.... It would somehow be more bearable too? Does that make sense. I mean. I have lost many family members to cancer. It is NOT EASY. But everyone steps up... You know? To help. Instead of shaming you, and not believing you. I think, for me. That is the hardest part. Feeling alone in my suffering. When the withdrawals get tough, or a life event gets tough... I feel alone. There is nothing I can.. 'Do'. There really isn't. Except maybe hope. Or pray... If praying is your thing. If there was smaller doses easily available for tapering... And support and sympathy available too... I think it would be easier. But I totally agree. So called 'psych drugs' are the worst drugs... So far. I am sure the new ones are worse, as humans get better at making poison every year. :( 

 

Just wanted to add that here. 

 

Strength and fire to everyone! 

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powerback

Id b astonished if there was .I have the constant fear of loosing everything because of my horrible symtoms .

 

At times im impossible to live with and i cant blame them.no self pity just reality.

 

Bring on the fight nasty drugs  

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tjdeepthinker

Id b astonished if there was .I have the constant fear of loosing everything because of my horrible symtoms .

 

At times im impossible to live with and i cant blame them.no self pity just reality.

 

Bring on the fight nasty drugs  

Hi Powerback, I struggle with this as well. So much. But I need people. SO I just  keep saying how sorry I am to everyone. They get sick of that too. But it is possible to be accepted, just as you are. I am learning that. Even though I am not perfect. I allow others to not be perfect too, and that helps me accept my own imperfects somehow. And to remind myself that it is not my fault! 

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powerback

HI tjdeepthinker , good point about allowing yourself to b accepted for the way we are, couple of years ago a therapist told me I had the strongest self critic he had ever come across ,I found that very interesting ,I wouldn't even take positive praise from anyone let alone trying to cope with negative criticism .

since I've become aware of this I've been working on things like perfectionism and letting a positive praise sit with me and accept it and cope better with criticism and failure .

It is helping me hugely the last year because I'm stuck in a pit of symptoms and accepting sympathy and help from others when needed.

Knowledge is poor .

take care .

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powerback

knowledge is power

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tjdeepthinker

HI tjdeepthinker , good point about allowing yourself to b accepted for the way we are, couple of years ago a therapist told me I had the strongest self critic he had ever come across ,I found that very interesting ,I wouldn't even take positive praise from anyone let alone trying to cope with negative criticism .

since I've become aware of this I've been working on things like perfectionism and letting a positive praise sit with me and accept it and cope better with criticism and failure .

It is helping me hugely the last year because I'm stuck in a pit of symptoms and accepting sympathy and help from others when needed.

Knowledge is poor .

take care .

Hi Powerback,

 

I am also working on these things in my life at the moment! Letting go. And letting be... Sounds like yoiu have made some really good insights. I guess it's a working daily progress. -TJ

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powerback

 

HI tjdeepthinker , good point about allowing yourself to b accepted for the way we are, couple of years ago a therapist told me I had the strongest self critic he had ever come across ,I found that very interesting ,I wouldn't even take positive praise from anyone let alone trying to cope with negative criticism .

since I've become aware of this I've been working on things like perfectionism and letting a positive praise sit with me and accept it and cope better with criticism and failure .

It is helping me hugely the last year because I'm stuck in a pit of symptoms and accepting sympathy and help from others when needed.

Knowledge is poor .

take care .

Hi Powerback,

 

I am also working on these things in my life at the moment! Letting go. And letting be... Sounds like yoiu have made some really good insights. I guess it's a working daily progress. -TJ

 

 

Hi TJ,exactly its a working progress and it can b very exciting learning to understand ourselves better without constantly judging ourselves so harshly and having more compassion.

For me personally when I realised the drugs don't solve my issues they just numbed me .I've been on a self discovery journey soaking up as much philosophy and phsycology as I can and its helped so much .I will warn anyone going down my route to do it under the supervision of a trained therapist first. [GP put me on drugs not therapist in my case].

I'm a big fan of a guy called gabor mate ,he has amazing insight into the human condition and very open about he's own story ,well worth a look at

The main thing is we should never judge ourselves for the pain in our lives or going on drugs and never stop learning about ourselves when the time or circumstances allow .   

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HI tjdeepthinker , good point about allowing yourself to b accepted for the way we are, couple of years ago a therapist told me I had the strongest self critic he had ever come across ,I found that very interesting ,I wouldn't even take positive praise from anyone let alone trying to cope with negative criticism .

since I've become aware of this I've been working on things like perfectionism and letting a positive praise sit with me and accept it and cope better with criticism and failure .

It is helping me hugely the last year because I'm stuck in a pit of symptoms and accepting sympathy and help from others when needed.

Knowledge is poor .

take care .

Hi Powerback,

 

I am also working on these things in my life at the moment! Letting go. And letting be... Sounds like yoiu have made some really good insights. I guess it's a working daily progress. -TJ

 

 

Hi TJ,exactly its a working progress and it can b very exciting learning to understand ourselves better without constantly judging ourselves so harshly and having more compassion.

For me personally when I realised the drugs don't solve my issues they just numbed me .I've been on a self discovery journey soaking up as much philosophy and phsycology as I can and its helped so much .I will warn anyone going down my route to do it under the supervision of a trained therapist first. [GP put me on drugs not therapist in my case].

I'm a big fan of a guy called gabor mate ,he has amazing insight into the human condition and very open about he's own story ,well worth a look at

The main thing is we should never judge ourselves for the pain in our lives or going on drugs and never stop learning about ourselves when the time or circumstances allow .   

 

I will def take a look at that! My favs are Jon Kabat-Zinn, and Eckhart Tolle. Also worth taking a look at if you haven't yet. Sorry to hear about your GP. I was also first medicated by a gp... It's so sad. They really are trying to help. They just don't understand. They are not taught about the dangers of these very strong drugs!  -TJ 

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greyed

I would quite honestly say no. Below death, for sure.

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Revenge

Yes. Incarceration in mental hospital. You can get a psych drug off the street and no one will ever know if you took a pill of it. But if you were in mental hospital, you'll have one helluva time afterward, if you live. If you go in for suicide, it's like you're a criminal. Forever. Try going in and having them threaten state on you.

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chicken

I've read quite a few horror stories about mefloquine, Anti-parasite malaria drug. I would say it ranks up there with psych drug horrors.

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compsports

The Prednisone I took as my part of my Rchop chemotherapy was pretty evil.   

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arwilliams

Mercury poising is pretty bad I heard.  Your organs start to slowly fail and there isn't really anything they can do about it.

Starts collecting in your brain and well yeah kinda lick Psych drugs.

 

It was kinda common when thermometers used mercury I have heard.

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FarmGirlWorks
On 1/24/2017 at 11:40 PM, LexAnger said:

I have a friend who went through chemo therapy followed by multiple pshyc drugs told me this, chemo is a piece of cake as compared to pshyc drug. And she didn't even have any problems withdrawal all those drugs, only the side effects.

Wow, just saw this @LexAnger... so glad to have seen it. I have been dumbfounded by a friend, diagnosed with breast cancer, who just spent the past seven months on chemo/radiation and also got off a psych drug (Celexa although it might have been for a short time) on a fast taper or cold turkey. Nothing! She never felt WD, dealt with the chemo/radiation and is now being flown to another state for a new job. I've felt like such a sad Sally around her as her sickness was much "more." So heartened to see that your friend validated what I kinda thought had to be true. It doesn't change the fact that I try not to mention it to her and I know she thinks I am just letting myself fall away but people have no clue how hard WD is! Thanks.

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FarmGirlWorks
On 1/26/2017 at 5:58 AM, tjdeepthinker said:

I have lost many family members to cancer. It is NOT EASY. But everyone steps up... You know? To help. Instead of shaming you, and not believing you. I think, for me. That is the hardest part. Feeling alone in my suffering. When the withdrawals get tough, or a life event gets tough... I feel alone. There is nothing I can.. 'Do'. There really isn't. Except maybe hope. Or pray...

Exactly!

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LexAnger

So true both of you!,

 

We are not trying to or ever try to compare with other illness, but the pshyc wd left you with tons unique and very difficult challenges other condition might not, such as no one, in the whole universe knows what is the right thing to do, every day and minute for unknown period of time with unknown outcome. You have to go search being your own scientist and doctor, nurse, care giver, and being mentally stressed every minute with your experiment on top of the wd sxs. There is no temp relief of any of the sxs either. All you can do is endure day in and day out in the darkest hell ALONE. No one else's experience can help you as it's so individualized, so many hidden bombs that you can only know by being bombed at least once or often times multiple time without a clue. You can't use your energy to take care of yourself by giving all the decision to a professional as there is none. You can't be the strongest human to fight as your soul and mental is the core being taken. Of course the social stigma and shame of feeling mentally ill. If tour cognitive is also impacted then you would be surely shamed in another way (the greatest shame myself). There are tons others no other illness have to face but this one. If I can add just one more, you dont even have the privilege to die gravefully or normally if you do want to. 

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Barbarannamated

It's a special kind of hell....or purgatory. 

 

I pray to get cancer just to know there's an end in sight. I would never do chemo or any life extending treatments.  

Suffering since 1993. Enough is enough.

 

 

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