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So has anyone had bad side effects on an SSRI which they then discontinued and the side effects continued after stopping?

 

I had neck and general muscle tension while on Lexapro and the tension is continuing even after stopping it.  I don't know if this is a withdrawal symptom or it is the original side-effect that is not going away or what...

 

I guess I want to know if somebody had side effects persist after discontinuing their SSRI and then it went away after a few months of being off the drug?

Off and On Prozac - 20mg from 1997 - 2002,Consistently On Prozac from 2006 onwards to 2016 - dosage was upped from  20mg to 40mg to 60mg

Was on 60mg of Prozac consistently from 2015 onward,Tapered Off of Prozac starting August 2016 after noticing side-effects of Constipation, Sexual Libido reduction, Emotional Numbness. Tapering was done by reducing 10mg at a time starting August 2016 through September 2016

Developed severe Anxiety starting Mid-October 2016.Was put on Lexapro October 31, 2016 at 5 mg. Increased Lexapro to 10mg in November 2016

Developed pain in both arms (near thumb area), right forearm, right elbow, right shoulder and neck area in November 2016

Increased Lexapro to 15mg in December and then 20mg in December 2016. Had two panic-attacks - the last one landed me in Emergency in Jan 2017

Was given a prescription for Ativan for 7 days to help me sleep. Went Off Cold-Turkey from Lexapro after Emergency visit

Crying, Anger symptoms after cold-turkey of lexapro. Body pains were better.

Prescription of Ativan ran out and now I have cold tremors when waking up in the morning, and sleeplessness, and possible clenching of teeth

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It can be very difficult to tease apart the causes of various symptoms once psyche drugs enter the picture, both starting them and stopping them. In my situation I've had side effects of lexapro disappear once I was off the drug, but others became worse in withdrawal and some improved over time. The way our nervous system is effected by these drugs is very individual.

 

If you didn't have muscle tension before starting the drug, its not being caused by anything else and its not getting worse, I expect that its a lingering side effect and will get better as you slowly recover.

 

Check out this topic for ideas about how to help the recovery process along: 

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

I know muscle tension is physical, but mind and body are connected, so techniques for one, often have positive effects on the other.

I'm not a doctor.  My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one.

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Hi people,

 

So here is a question that can<t seam to find a real answer.

 

Are the antidepressant side effects indicative of what kind of withdrawal symptoms a person will have ? 

 

For example, if remeron causes dry mouth, is it more likely that you could have dry mouth when coming of that drug ?

 

So reading a list of potential side effect before starting a drug could tell you what kind of WD to expect at the other end.

2016 Back to cipralex 10 mg

2018 March From 10 mg to 5 mg cipralex

2018 april 15, stopped 5 mg cipralex

2018 May 16 Hypersensitive skin as withdrawal

2018 May 19 to 23 took 5 mg cipralex but skin was more painful so stopped cipralex

2018 May 30, skin is feeling better

2018 June 28, very stressful event

2018 July 3, Skin is more painful

2018 July 8, started .5 mg cipralex 

2018 July 12 skin is even worst

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3 hours ago, zibius said:

 

So here is a question that can<t seam to find a real answer.

 

Are the antidepressant side effects indicative of what kind of withdrawal symptoms a person will have ? 

 

For example, if remeron causes dry mouth, is it more likely that you could have dry mouth when coming of that drug ?

 

So reading a list of potential side effect before starting a drug could tell you what kind of WD to expect at the other end.

For myself, when I stopped Remeron, the dry mouth did not continue. I did not taper it, so I do not have experience with that side effect continuing with tapering.

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Effexor XL 2009-2012. CT 150mg Effexor XR  2012, Effexor XR  75mg  2012  then rapid taper to 0, Reinstated Effexor XR 13mg then updosed to 20mg, Tapered to 18mg Effexor XR 4/9/12, Off Effexor XL ?Reinstated  Effexor XL 150 mgs  August  2012, Crashed in November 2012, Prozac 40 mgs 2012 to Feb 2018, Buspar 60  mgs 2012-stopped 2015, Remeron 7.5 mgs as needed for sleep-stopped Feb 2017, Prozac 50 mgs Feb 2018 to March 2018, Lexapro 5 mgs March 18 2018 to May 17th 2018, Lexapro 2.5 mgs  May 18th to May 26th 2018, Prozac 10 mgs May 15th 2018, Prozac 5 mgs May 19th 2018 to current day May 28th 2018,  Xanax 0.25 mgs to 0.5 mgs daily for over 15 years. Increased Xanax to 1.5 mgs Sept 2012, Tapered Xanax to 0 mgs  May 2013.Reinstated Xanax Feb 2017 at 0.125 mgs as needed, Gradual increase of Xanax to 1.5 mgs daily till May 22nd 2018, Xanax 1.25 mgs daily. Holding

 

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My WD symptoms have been completely different to side effects.

Dose History: 19 Feb 2014 - Escitalopram 10mg daily June 2015 - Started taper, 5mg every other day July 2015 - 5mg every 2 days August 2015 - 5mg every 3 days September 2015 - 5mg every 4 days Sept 14th - Completed tapering, but at 7 weeks "drug free" I suffered serious WD symptoms as a consequence of "incorrect" tapering. Nov 25 2015 - Re-instated Cipralex @ 2.5mg daily. WD symptoms faded. Held at this dose and experienced "windows and waves". 12 Oct 2017 Reduced dose to 1.25mg. 13 Mar 2018 Reduced dose to 0.625mg (approx.). 16 April 2018 0mg. Windows and waves triggered by stress (IBS/reflux, headaches, sinus issues) Aug 2019 Mirena coil fitted 6 Jan 2020 MAJOR Wave hit 19 months following last dose (protracted WD).  Symptoms listed below Mar 2020 Mirena coil removal.

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Generally, side effects diminish when you lower the dosage. They are a consequence of too much drug, too strong a drug, or simply intolerance to the drug.

 

If you've dealt with drug side effects for a long time or repeatedly, they may sensitive your nervous system to drug dosage changes.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Can that cause different side effects some times and others another time and minimal sometimes too?  Seems I get very paradoxical symptoms from all my meds...the Viibryd CLonazepamen and hormone...can the enzymes you talked about cause changing symptoms? Or the sensitive system?  I know they share a same liver enzyme too.  I copy and past so much here...learning so much!!

-Nardil 1976 < year, stopped. React to AD's. Klonopin .5BID 1990, 2.5mg til 2016

-Klonopin doubled Jan '16. Taper to 2.25mg May to Nov '16. Bad react to Lexapro, stop. React to Prevacid too, taper off. 

-November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. Jan '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from Feb to June '17,     

-20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25 to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day

-Clonazepam 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to end November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17

-Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg  5/18 off Amiloride d/t react. Clonaz compounded  

-4/27 '18 Viibryd 9.5mg, 6/11 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19 Viibryd 8.75mg, ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm, Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19

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Taking a bunch of drugs at once changes how metabolism operates. The drugs compete. Variations in dosage timing, even what you eat can affect absorption and metabolism.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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On 6/8/2018 at 2:30 AM, zibius said:

Are the antidepressant side effects indicative of what kind of withdrawal symptoms a person will have ? 

 

For example, if remeron causes dry mouth, is it more likely that you could have dry mouth when coming of that drug ?

 

So reading a list of potential side effect before starting a drug could tell you what kind of WD to expect at the other end.

 

I found the opposite.  When I was on paroxetine at full dose, after a couple of years on it I was getting very drowsy in the evenings and I would go to bed very early.  In withdrawal I had moderate to severe insomnia.  Also after a couple of years on I was experiencing emotional blunting - I felt contented but never felt excited about anything, hardly ever cried - then in withdrawal I became emotionally very sensitive, cried a lot and so on.  It kind of makes sense that when you take the drug away you get the opposite effect, although it doesn't always seem to work this way.

2001–2002 paroxetine

2003  citalopram

2004-2008  paroxetine (various failed tapers) 
2008  paroxetine slow taper down to

2016  Aug off paroxetine
2016  citalopram May 20mg  Oct 15mg … slow taper down
2018  citalopram 13 Feb 4.6mg 15 Mar 4.4mg 29 Apr 4.2mg 6 Jul 4.1mg 17 Aug 4.0mg  18 Nov 3.8mg
2019  15 Mar 3.6mg  21 May 3.4mg  26 Dec 3.2mg 

2020  19 Feb 3.0mg 19 Jul 2.9mg 16 Sep 2.8mg 25 Oct 2.7mg 23 Oct 2.6mg 24 Dec 2.5mg

2021   29 Aug 2.4mg   15 Nov 2.3mg

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I found the opposite too. While I was taking venlafaxine the side effects (that made me want to stop taking it) were drowsiness during the day, emotional blunting, increased appetite, increased urination, especially at night. These were a nirvana compared to the withdrawal symtoms | experienced: panic attacks. mood swings, anxiety like I'd never experienced before, cortisol spike in the morning, increased sensitivity to noise, especially music and especially first thing in the morning, deep depression and complete hopelessness, suicidality, weight loss.

 

There are probably others, and then there were the side effects from the other drugs I was prescribed to try to treat the withrawal, which i now know would never have worked.

2011 - started Venlafaxine (again) at 75mg Raised to 150 mg at some point - unsure of dates. Reduced back down to 75 mg. Doctor advised this would be a lifetime, maintenance dose

2017 - Side effects now intolerable. Started taper from June 15th - 5% dose reduction steps (two 12 hourly doses).

2017 - October 20th - took last dose of Venlafaxine - 4 mg. Debilitating symptoms followed.

2017/18 - diazepam - 8mg/day for 1 month - 7 week taper Feb 2018

2017/18 - duloxetine - max 90mg - now stopped

2018 - Feb 25mg quetiapine, increased to 50mg.

2018 - March/April - increased venlafaxine slowly (10mg steps) to 75 mg/day. Recovery from withdrawal followed.

2018 - July 13 - stopped quetiapine after 2 month taper. Late July - had to reinstate quetiapine due to intolerable withdrawal. Now tapering from 25mg

2019 - June - stopped quetiapine after 10 month taper. Mild insomnia only symptom.

2021 - June - venlafaxine approx 6.0 mg see Taper history details

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