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Initially I was diagnosed way back in 1977 when I made my first acquaintance with our mental health care system. A very bad acquaintance which sadly lasted for 40 years. I have childhood trauma which never has been touched upon. In that time all sorts of terrible drugs have been shoved down my throat by all sorts of terrible psychiatrists.

 

Recently I tapered off the AD cipralex ( Escitalopram) over 2 months, from 10mg to zero. I am still on anti-psychotic , tapered from 30mg to 6mg in 7 years.

 

The AD withdrawal symptoms are so bad. Crying a lot of the time, depressed, nausea , all sorts of pains in the body, including my feet. I guess I am experiencing waves , no windows lately. Everything is just bad. Anger, irritability,no appetite. It's really so awful.

 

I have gained confidence, though, that it will all end some day, by reading these posts.I guess I'll just have to persevere.

 

I am not going back on any drugs. I refuse. I don't even consult my doctor bc they are all just drug pushers and I don't want to listen to their crap.

 

I've bought some cannabis oil I'll start on soon. It won't harm I'm sure.

 

I take a lot of supplements, including fish oil, turmeric, glucosamine, calcium and c, d and b vitaminer. I've taken supplements for years. I have a pretty staple healthy diet, don't weight too much and generally get a lot of exexcise by walking and commuting. I don't work anymore ( for years)

 

I will have to consult a specialist when I come off the last anti-psychotic dose. Bc that has proven difficult the last few mgs. I will wait until I'm well over the AD withdrawal.

 

I am healthy physically but have little or no network or family for support.

 

Am very much a loner. And that is probably the main issue, not depression or anything else. But loneliness .

 

I quit the AD bc they didn't help much,they made me angry, irrational, depressed and suicidal. AD is not the solution to loneliness.

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On psychotropic drugs since 1977. Current anti-psychotic Zuchlopenixol 6mg. Tapered from 30mg in 7 years. Anti-depressant withdrawn now 2 months after 4 years usage Cipralex (Escitalopram) 10mg. Cipralex withdrawal..2.5mg 10days, 2.5mg 10 days, 0.5mg for 1 week , shards as the last tapering. Finished 2.1.2017.

Tapering Zuchlopenixol. 2010 30mg February 2017 6mg March 2017 5mg

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Just stoping by to say hello. This site has a lot of information and everyone is very helpful with suggestions and support. I saw that you withdrew lexapro and I can say I can relate . I am still in the process and it is terrible. I also identify with loneliness. I do not have a big family nor friends group. I also can say that before lexapro I was very sociable and had a lot of friends and I do think lexapro made me kind of withdrawn indifferent tired and not caring . Hang in there it will be okay

04/10 Luvox 25 mg PM, Nortriptyline 1 mg PM

03/08/19: Buspar 2.5 mg AM, 5 mg PM

01/01/19: Xanax 0.125 AM 5 times a week. Occasionally, 0.125 twice a day AM & noon

12/18 Armour Thyroid 60 mg (for hypothyroidism) 

 

Supplements: B Complex, B12 (adeno), multi-vitamin, D, Adrenal Cortex, iron

  • Lexapro 20 mg 2007 - 2013 with various attempts to stop
  • 2013 found a new Dr and started trying other meds: Prozac, Notryptoline, Effexor, Buspar, Gabapentin, Paxil, Nardil
  • Lexapro 15 mg 2015 - 04/2016
  • Vibryiid 10 - 15mg 05/16-06/16 
  • NO MEDS 07/16 - 10/31/16
  • Reinstated 10/31/16 at 2.5 mg lexapro, increased to 5 mg   
  • 1/13/17 switched to Luvox 50 mg before bed
  • 1/20/17 Luvox 37.5 mg PM
  • 12/18 Luvox 10 mg PM, Nortriptyline 2 mg (started Nortriptyline 06/17 at 10 mg)
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Piapil -- Welcome to Surviving Antidepressants (SA)

I'm sorry to read that you are having difficult symptoms after discontinuing Cipralex. These symptoms are very common after a rapid taper. Cipralex (escitalopram) is a very powerful medication and taking only 2 months to decrease from 10 mg to 0 mg is too fast for many people.

I know that you've said that you WON'T go back on any drugs. I hope that you are open to investigating the idea of low-dose reinstatement. Some people find that their symptoms reduce if they take a very small dose of the medication they discontinued. A very small dose of escitalopram would be 1 mg or less. These reinstatements are most predictable when done within 3 months of the last dose. Others choose to live with the symptoms for as along as they last, which can be many months. It's up to you.

Please do not take the cannabis oil. You are taking an anti-psychotic medication. Some of our members who have combined the 2 have regretted it.

When was your last dose of Cipralex? If you don't remember the actual date, an approximate one is fine.

How many mg was your last dose of Cipralex?

Please add that information to your signature so that we can get an overview at a glance below every one of your posts.

 

What supplements are you taking?  Sometimes we take supplements that contribute to our symptoms rather than help.

 

I hope you'll find the information in the SA forums helpful for your situation. I'm sorry that you are in the position that you need the information, but am glad that you found us.


 

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.
1997-1999 Effexor; 2002-2005 Effexor XR 37.5 mg linear taper, dropping same #beads/week with bad results

Cymbalta 60 mg 2012 - 2015; 2016: 20 mg to 7 mg exact doses and dates in this post; 2017: 6.3 mg to  0.0 mg  Aug. 12; details here


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Hi scallywag. Could you please link to some posts where people have difficulty combining cannabis and anti-psychotics?

Thanks for your advice. I prefer not to go back on the drug, not even a tiny dose. I'll see this through, no matter what. I think that any drug that affects you this way in coming off certainly isn't worth anything but quitting it completely . It is genuine poison.

My supplements are

Omega 3,6,9

Glucosamine

Turmeric

Arctic root

C,D3, and B vitamins plus a multi vitamin.

Ginger

I am also a vegan.

Hi blondie thanks for your welcome.

On psychotropic drugs since 1977. Current anti-psychotic Zuchlopenixol 6mg. Tapered from 30mg in 7 years. Anti-depressant withdrawn now 2 months after 4 years usage Cipralex (Escitalopram) 10mg. Cipralex withdrawal..2.5mg 10days, 2.5mg 10 days, 0.5mg for 1 week , shards as the last tapering. Finished 2.1.2017.

Tapering Zuchlopenixol. 2010 30mg February 2017 6mg March 2017 5mg

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I didn't know lexapro was the same.

I'm afraid I can't do this on my own anymore. It's too painful both physically and mentally. I will be reinstating by tomorrow. I don't have any medication in the house. I am calling my GP tomorrow if I don't go to the hospital today. There are no lifeline supports answering at the moment.

On psychotropic drugs since 1977. Current anti-psychotic Zuchlopenixol 6mg. Tapered from 30mg in 7 years. Anti-depressant withdrawn now 2 months after 4 years usage Cipralex (Escitalopram) 10mg. Cipralex withdrawal..2.5mg 10days, 2.5mg 10 days, 0.5mg for 1 week , shards as the last tapering. Finished 2.1.2017.

Tapering Zuchlopenixol. 2010 30mg February 2017 6mg March 2017 5mg

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When I see how many different drugs people here are/have been on simultaneously I wonder. And when I read how difficult it it's to come off the crap I wonder too. Why do we do this to ourselves ? Both say yes to all the drugs and then want to come off them ? I will not be following these pages bc there is too much pain in coming off the drugs and the success stories are limited. I become quite ill reading these posts.

On psychotropic drugs since 1977. Current anti-psychotic Zuchlopenixol 6mg. Tapered from 30mg in 7 years. Anti-depressant withdrawn now 2 months after 4 years usage Cipralex (Escitalopram) 10mg. Cipralex withdrawal..2.5mg 10days, 2.5mg 10 days, 0.5mg for 1 week , shards as the last tapering. Finished 2.1.2017.

Tapering Zuchlopenixol. 2010 30mg February 2017 6mg March 2017 5mg

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Hi  Just to let you know I am trying to get off citalopram too with a history of early sexual abuse in life and lots of trouble.  I have not been particularly successful but remain hopeful.

 

I have only ever reinstated by large amounts which I have regretted, probably good to do a small one and see how you feel.  I too am a lonely person,,  a lot of people on this board are because there histories and struggles have taken up all their time and energy.

 

Keep posting.

 

Joy

 

Back to 20 mg at some point

22/3/18 down to 19.8 mg and feeling well

31/3/18 down to 19.6 mg and feeling well

14/4/18 down to 19.4 mg

05/5/18 down to 19.2 mg and feeling well

14/5/18 kicked out of my marital home/marriage/family unexpectedly when son took over farm

During many hospitalisations for shock/stress put on

1mg lorazepam prn

50mg quetiapine night for sleep

40 mg citalopram

10/01/2021  stopped taking quetiapine totally after a slow taper

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Hi joy2730 thanks. In fact , after I wrote the previous 2 comments I had a great many hours of windows. I have,reassesed my "need" for reinstating. I spoke to a help line and she was a doctor and very adamant supporter of SSRI 's. She refused to speak further with me. That threw me.

Unkucky.

Yes lots of bagage we have spent time trying to survive with.

It's so sad. Even my kids keep their distance, as tho it is my fault everything. I mean they did have fathers along the way. But they get no blame. I've been hospitalised often.

I am very lonely and my social skills are lacking. I'm afraid I'm way too honest.

It's such a long time since I jad fun.

I am.going to beat these withdrawal.symptoms. I promise you.

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On psychotropic drugs since 1977. Current anti-psychotic Zuchlopenixol 6mg. Tapered from 30mg in 7 years. Anti-depressant withdrawn now 2 months after 4 years usage Cipralex (Escitalopram) 10mg. Cipralex withdrawal..2.5mg 10days, 2.5mg 10 days, 0.5mg for 1 week , shards as the last tapering. Finished 2.1.2017.

Tapering Zuchlopenixol. 2010 30mg February 2017 6mg March 2017 5mg

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Hi scallywag. Could you please link to some posts where people have difficulty combining cannabis and anti-psychotics?

 

Please use a search engine, such as google or bing or duck duck go, to locate the content. Including site:survivingantidepressants.org as a search term will put links to this site at the top of the search results.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.
1997-1999 Effexor; 2002-2005 Effexor XR 37.5 mg linear taper, dropping same #beads/week with bad results

Cymbalta 60 mg 2012 - 2015; 2016: 20 mg to 7 mg exact doses and dates in this post; 2017: 6.3 mg to  0.0 mg  Aug. 12; details here


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Online spreadsheet for dose taper calculations and nz11's THE WORKS spreadsheet

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Thanks scallywag. I did have a look. I discovered I have a lactose intolerance so after cutting dairy products out of my diet I feel much better.

I am not sure which vitamins and supplements are good or less good? B12-vitamin? I take that because I am a vegan. Also I take arctic root instead of an anti-depressant.

Nevertheless the WDS hit me seriously recently. Had no idea what was going on but have become wiser after reading these pages. Thank you everyone. I'll have to weather it. Windows and waves.

On psychotropic drugs since 1977. Current anti-psychotic Zuchlopenixol 6mg. Tapered from 30mg in 7 years. Anti-depressant withdrawn now 2 months after 4 years usage Cipralex (Escitalopram) 10mg. Cipralex withdrawal..2.5mg 10days, 2.5mg 10 days, 0.5mg for 1 week , shards as the last tapering. Finished 2.1.2017.

Tapering Zuchlopenixol. 2010 30mg February 2017 6mg March 2017 5mg

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The supplements that seem to help the most people in withdrawal with the fewest negative reaction are omega 3 fatty acids and magnesium

Omega-3 fatty acids (fish oil).

Magnesium, nature's calcium channel blocker.

 

If you want to try these, start with ONE at a low dose (½ or ¼ of what's recommended on the container) and work your way up.

 

Start any new supplement on its own and don't make changes in other supplements or medications at the same time. If you get a negative reaction, you want to know what's causing it.

 

B12 can be stimulating but is very important for vegans. If you notice that you're getting "wired" or having other symptoms of stimulation, consider reducing your B12 dose a bit.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.
1997-1999 Effexor; 2002-2005 Effexor XR 37.5 mg linear taper, dropping same #beads/week with bad results

Cymbalta 60 mg 2012 - 2015; 2016: 20 mg to 7 mg exact doses and dates in this post; 2017: 6.3 mg to  0.0 mg  Aug. 12; details here


scallywag's Introduction
Online spreadsheet for dose taper calculations and nz11's THE WORKS spreadsheet

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Thanks scallywag I've been on omega 3,6,9 for years and does me good, especially my arthritic pains, B12 or rather a B- combine I have taken for a month or so bc I'm vegan. I have just ordered vitamin E, no harm methinks. I am also making magnesium spray atm as I was recommended this by someone who is off all drugs now. I am tapering anti-psychotics atm too. I think I'm over the worst AD withdrawal symptoms which were totally frightening. I hope I'm over them. Now fatigue but I have also had a bad flu which now has left me fatigued. I take drops of cannabis oil 3% which are very beneficial for me. Gives me peace of mind.

I wish to be rid of the anti-psychotics Zuchlopenixol asap.have tapered from 30mg to 6mg in 7 years. Am currently on 5mg..

On psychotropic drugs since 1977. Current anti-psychotic Zuchlopenixol 6mg. Tapered from 30mg in 7 years. Anti-depressant withdrawn now 2 months after 4 years usage Cipralex (Escitalopram) 10mg. Cipralex withdrawal..2.5mg 10days, 2.5mg 10 days, 0.5mg for 1 week , shards as the last tapering. Finished 2.1.2017.

Tapering Zuchlopenixol. 2010 30mg February 2017 6mg March 2017 5mg

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You may want to look at increasing the omega 3; EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid) and DHA (docosahexanoic acid) are notable for the effects on the brain and CNS (central nervous system). Most people don't need supplementation with Omega 6 -- grain (wheat, barley, oats, etc.) and seed (sunflower, safflower, etc.) products are commonly eaten foodstuffs that provide at least as much Omega 6 as we need.
 
Tapering more than one medication at the same time risks setting off withdrawal symptoms. please be cautious:
3KIS: Keep it slow. Keep it simple. Keep it stable.
Taking multiple drugs? Which to taper first.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.
1997-1999 Effexor; 2002-2005 Effexor XR 37.5 mg linear taper, dropping same #beads/week with bad results

Cymbalta 60 mg 2012 - 2015; 2016: 20 mg to 7 mg exact doses and dates in this post; 2017: 6.3 mg to  0.0 mg  Aug. 12; details here


scallywag's Introduction
Online spreadsheet for dose taper calculations and nz11's THE WORKS spreadsheet

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Just stoping by to say hello. This site has a lot of information and everyone is very helpful with suggestions and support. I saw that you withdrew lexapro and I can say I can relate . I am still in the process and it is terrible. I also identify with loneliness. I do not have a big family nor friends group. I also can say that before lexapro I was very sociable and had a lot of friends and I do think lexapro made me kind of withdrawn indifferent tired and not caring . Hang in there it will be okay

 

This I can relate to Blondiee1915, in particular "I do not have a big family nor friends group. I also can say that before lexapro I was very sociable and had a lot of friends and I do think lexapro made me kind of withdrawn indifferent tired and not caring".

Dose History: 19 Feb 2014 - Escitalopram 10mg daily June 2015 - Started taper, 5mg every other day July 2015 - 5mg every 2 days August 2015 - 5mg every 3 days September 2015 - 5mg every 4 days Sept 14th - Completed tapering, but at 7 weeks "drug free" I suffered serious WD symptoms as a consequence of "incorrect" tapering. Nov 25 2015 - Re-instated Cipralex @ 2.5mg daily. WD symptoms faded. Held at this dose and experienced "windows and waves". 12 Oct 2017 Reduced dose to 1.25mg. 13 Mar 2018 Reduced dose to 0.625mg (approx.). 16 April 2018 0mg. Windows and waves triggered by stress (IBS/reflux, headaches, sinus issues) Aug 2019 Mirena coil fitted 6 Jan 2020 MAJOR Wave hit 19 months following last dose (protracted WD).  Symptoms listed below Mar 2020 Mirena coil removal.

Therapy: Nov 15th 2016 Re-started therapy Jan 19th 2017 Started CBT Dec 2017 Started listening to Hypnotherapy CD (self-esteem). Nov 2019 Started couples therapy.

Supplements: "Bioglan" Biotic Balance Ultimate Flora 10 billion CFU, live Bacteria, Probiotic, suitable for Vegetarians, with Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Lactobacillus Rhamnosus, Bifidobacterium Longum"Pukka" Vitalise a unique blend of 30 energising botanicals.

Diet: 16 April 2018 Detox cleanse / anti-candida for 90 days. Jan 2020 Started "small plate" diet (i.e child size portions).

Exercise: Stretching, Yoga, Pilates, Spinning, Elliptical/upper body workout, walking.

Medical Test Results: 4 Jan 2017 Homeopathic Treatment starts 24 Feb 2017 Started weight loss program 24 Mar 2017 Naturopathic Treatment + anti-Candida diet started due to suspected Candida Related Complex (CRC). DETOXED for 7 weeks to "re-set" gut. April 2017 "Genova Diagnostics" Comprehensive Stool Analysis NEGATIVE; Full Blood Count (Normal) / Blood Cholesterol: 5.6 (Borderline) / Blood Sugar (Normal) / 28 Jun 2017 FSH 8.2 / 14 Nov 2017 FSH 17.7 Dec 2017 Blood Cholesterol: 3.9 (Normal) / Kidney Function (Normal) / Blood Sugar (Normal). December 2017 "Genova Diagnostics" Food panel allergy (bloodwork) analysis - a few "VERY LOW/VL" allergens; Mar 2018 "Genova Diagnostics" SIBO urine analysis: High Level of Yeast/fungal markers found in small intestine but NO SIBO.  April 2018 Thyroid (Normal) / Full Blood Count (Normal) / FSH (Normal). 16 April 2018 Started anti-Candida diet - 3 month protocol.   25 March 2020 All test results "Normal". CRP" 5 mg/L (normal range to 0-5 mg/L).

Symptoms:  Flu-like symptoms, anxiety, anhedonia, sinus headaches right-side (severe), IBS issues/reflux (severe)**, tinnitus, fatigue, inner tremor, nausea, chills/hot flushes, pounding heart, muscular issues including stiff left hip flexor, intense anger, PSSD (ongoing).  **Histhamine intolerance (suspected).

Major Life Events: 

Re-located to UK from Canada: Jan 2016

My father died: 5:05pm, Monday 5 Feb 2018 Last Lexapro dose: 16 April 2018 (its now been over a year since I quit ADs)  Moved house: Friday 23rd February 2018  "Divorced" toxic Mother: Monday 26 March 2018 Starting working again: 19 November 2018  Diagnosed with: 5th August 2021 PTSD/C-PTSD Diagnosed with: March 2022 Interstitial Cystitis (IC)/Painful bladder syndrome

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Hi I am really sorry to tell about my tapering and withdrawal. In the end it was successful and I am  thankful I am off the anti-depressants. But it was extremely hard. I had no support  apart from this site. I simply had no confidence in the professionals, doctors etc as they are too supportive of  anti-depressants in my country. I tapered off way to fast. I  had only shards in the end but it was still way too fast. I took 4  mths from 10mg Ciipralex- from October to January. I am afraid I experienced psychosis and had a suicide attempt. I have been prone to psychosis in stressful situations bc of a traumatic childhood but hadn't had a psychosis for years. During my adult life I have been prescribed a variety of drugs- anti-psychotic without  being  treated  for my trauma and each time I came off the drugs, I experienced psychosis from the stress. I have often quit the drugs from one day to the next, which you definitely shouldn't but doctors and psychiatrists kept denying my side-effects and told me that I was chronically ill and it wasn't the drugs which were causing depression and stress  but my " illness"- bollocks. I'm afraid 2 of my best friends  experienced acute withdrawal symptoms from their anti-depressants as they quit suddenly. They both committed suicide. I am really sorry to tell you this. It was in 2003 and 2013 and neither them nor I were aware of the dangers of these drugs at the time. 

I am prescribed anti-psychotics which I still take- a small dose. I have tried to wean off several times but when I get to a lower dose the withdrawal symptoms are so acute that I don't dare continue and end up back on the same dose again- 8mg Zuchlopenixtol- it is banned in the US and UK- a first generation put on the market in 1962. Now I have weaned down to a  low dose ( initially 30mg) I am pretty free of side-effects so I will most likely continue , at least until I can afford professional withdrawal support. 

About the anti-depressant Cipralex- Escitalopram -- it is so important- vital you wean very very slowly.

Now into 6 month off I am fine. No daily suicide plans like before. Much more in touch with my feelings and my body. I am not exactly gleeful :-) and have now and again considered going back on them but I always stop myself. I know it is my current life situation that no drug would help- well they'd only confuse me and make me indecisive and well.. drugged with all the side-effects and once you are off them you tend to forget all the negative effects. 

Luckily I survived my suicide attempt. But there is way too little support out there for coming off the drugs. 

please take care out there.

On psychotropic drugs since 1977. Current anti-psychotic Zuchlopenixol 6mg. Tapered from 30mg in 7 years. Anti-depressant withdrawn now 2 months after 4 years usage Cipralex (Escitalopram) 10mg. Cipralex withdrawal..2.5mg 10days, 2.5mg 10 days, 0.5mg for 1 week , shards as the last tapering. Finished 2.1.2017.

Tapering Zuchlopenixol. 2010 30mg February 2017 6mg March 2017 5mg

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Piapil yes I totally agree their is just no support what so ever in getting off these drugs and coping with wdl.

Glad you are doing okay at 6 mnhs off lex.

 

Piapil your voice and experience in withdrawal is important have you completed the withdrawal survey yet?

 

Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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