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Another terrible night, again no specific trigger... Went to bed and just couldn't sleep. Felt shaky and anxious. Came downstairs and watched TV still feeling anxious. Eventually got approx 2 hours sleep.

Feeling so fed up. What is going on ūüėěūüėěūüėě

Citalopram 2008-2014

Venlafaxine started 2014 37.5mg - Increased over several months up to 300mg

Started reducing early 2015- reduced by 37.5mg each time

June 2016- cold turkey from 37.5mg

Re instated 37.5mg June 2016 -Increased to 75mg June 2016

Changed from 75mg Extended Release capsules to 37.5mg standard release liquid twice a day January 2017

Changed back to 75mg extended capsules February 2017

Tapered down by 12.5mg each reduction

Completely off Venlafaxine October 2020 - felt fine 

February 2021 - Sertraline 50mg for 2 days then stopped - bad reaction

February 2021- Venlafaxine XL 37.5mg for 12 days then stopped CT as couldn't sleep 

April 2021 - Re-instated Venlafaxine XL 12.5mg

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Last night I slept all night again and actually slept for 8 hours without waking at all. 

@Altostratais being so up and down a positive sign that I will stabilise? 

Citalopram 2008-2014

Venlafaxine started 2014 37.5mg - Increased over several months up to 300mg

Started reducing early 2015- reduced by 37.5mg each time

June 2016- cold turkey from 37.5mg

Re instated 37.5mg June 2016 -Increased to 75mg June 2016

Changed from 75mg Extended Release capsules to 37.5mg standard release liquid twice a day January 2017

Changed back to 75mg extended capsules February 2017

Tapered down by 12.5mg each reduction

Completely off Venlafaxine October 2020 - felt fine 

February 2021 - Sertraline 50mg for 2 days then stopped - bad reaction

February 2021- Venlafaxine XL 37.5mg for 12 days then stopped CT as couldn't sleep 

April 2021 - Re-instated Venlafaxine XL 12.5mg

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Altostrata
On 4/20/2021 at 11:07 PM, venlafaxine1990 said:

It's strange I'm so up and down all the time. - is this just because my brain is stabilising? I'm guessing this is a good thing? 

 

This is probably what's happening. Be sure to take the venlafaxine at the same time each day.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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@AltostrataI hope so. Slept all night again last night. Still have that internal shaky buzzy feeling every day that comes and goes and still feeling a bit dizzy/spacey at times. 

Do you think it will take months for this to go and for me to stabilise? 

Thank you for replying x

 

Citalopram 2008-2014

Venlafaxine started 2014 37.5mg - Increased over several months up to 300mg

Started reducing early 2015- reduced by 37.5mg each time

June 2016- cold turkey from 37.5mg

Re instated 37.5mg June 2016 -Increased to 75mg June 2016

Changed from 75mg Extended Release capsules to 37.5mg standard release liquid twice a day January 2017

Changed back to 75mg extended capsules February 2017

Tapered down by 12.5mg each reduction

Completely off Venlafaxine October 2020 - felt fine 

February 2021 - Sertraline 50mg for 2 days then stopped - bad reaction

February 2021- Venlafaxine XL 37.5mg for 12 days then stopped CT as couldn't sleep 

April 2021 - Re-instated Venlafaxine XL 12.5mg

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Altostrata

How are you doing? It can take some time to stabilize, months instead of weeks, be patient.

 

Please add the reinstatement information to your signature.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein

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venlafaxine1990

Hi @Altostrata

 

I am sleeping better (fingers crossed this continues !). I have been sleeping all night most nights recently which is a massive improvement.

I am still getting the internal shaky/ buzzing/ tremor feeling but it comes and goes rather than constant so thats also an improvement.

 

I still feel a bit dizzy/spacey most of the day, im hoping that will settle in time. I also still have the reflux/tight throat issue but this has improved so im again hopeful for further improvement over time.

 

Thank you for your advice and support. Going on your experience, are these all signs that re instatement is working and I am stabilising/will eventually fully stabilise?

 

Thanks again, much appreciated,

 

C x

 

Citalopram 2008-2014

Venlafaxine started 2014 37.5mg - Increased over several months up to 300mg

Started reducing early 2015- reduced by 37.5mg each time

June 2016- cold turkey from 37.5mg

Re instated 37.5mg June 2016 -Increased to 75mg June 2016

Changed from 75mg Extended Release capsules to 37.5mg standard release liquid twice a day January 2017

Changed back to 75mg extended capsules February 2017

Tapered down by 12.5mg each reduction

Completely off Venlafaxine October 2020 - felt fine 

February 2021 - Sertraline 50mg for 2 days then stopped - bad reaction

February 2021- Venlafaxine XL 37.5mg for 12 days then stopped CT as couldn't sleep 

April 2021 - Re-instated Venlafaxine XL 12.5mg

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Altostrata

Those are signs that stabilization is taking place after reinstatement.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein

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@Altostratalooking for some advice please.

I've been on 12.5mg reinstatement of venlafaxine for 2 and a half weeks now. I am sleeping better but the last few days my physical symptoms and anxiety have got worse. 

I have an almost constant feeling of nervousness/anxiety/churning stomach. Stomach feels like it's doing constant somersaults it's awful and makes me feel so upset 

I feel like I'm getting a bit of vertigo again like I did in January. Keep feeling like I'm moving, off balance and a bit dizzy. 

Still got the tight throat which comes and goes but very uncomfortable. 

Been quite emotional and crying a lot the last few days. 

What do you think is happening? 

Should I increase the dose? 

Is this likely withdrawal from last October that started in January and if so why have I got worse the Last few days?

Or is this just anxiety relapse and I need a higher dose? 

I'm having a really hard time and struggling to rationalise x

Citalopram 2008-2014

Venlafaxine started 2014 37.5mg - Increased over several months up to 300mg

Started reducing early 2015- reduced by 37.5mg each time

June 2016- cold turkey from 37.5mg

Re instated 37.5mg June 2016 -Increased to 75mg June 2016

Changed from 75mg Extended Release capsules to 37.5mg standard release liquid twice a day January 2017

Changed back to 75mg extended capsules February 2017

Tapered down by 12.5mg each reduction

Completely off Venlafaxine October 2020 - felt fine 

February 2021 - Sertraline 50mg for 2 days then stopped - bad reaction

February 2021- Venlafaxine XL 37.5mg for 12 days then stopped CT as couldn't sleep 

April 2021 - Re-instated Venlafaxine XL 12.5mg

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You will find that symptoms fluctuate and mutate. You will need to be patient and support your stabilization as well as you can.

 

Many people find fish oil and magnesium supplements helpful, see


https://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/36-king-of-supplements-omega-3-fatty-acids-fish-oil/


https://survivingantidepressants.org/topic/15483-magnesium-natures-calcium-channel-blocker/

 

You might try a little bit of one at a time to see how it affects you.

 

Please let us know how you're doing.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein

All postings © copyrighted.

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venlafaxine1990

@AltostrataI'm confused as to why the vertigo like feeling has come back after having it for 3 weeks in January/February when I'm now back on the Venlafaxine?

I feel like I've gone right backwards to how I felt at the end of January with all symtoms both physical and mental. 

I'm so so scared il be like this for months / years. Trying to just take a day at a time but it's so hard with 2 young children. 

Previously when I've reduced, had withdrawals and then reinstated, it's taken between 2 and 6 weeks to re stabilise but that was with just a dose reduction and then putting it back up. This time I had been completely off the Venlafaxine for a few months before having issues. Does this mean it's likely to be a longer time to stabilise? 

Is there a chance I won't re stabilise and I'm permanently damaged? 

I'm so so scared x

Citalopram 2008-2014

Venlafaxine started 2014 37.5mg - Increased over several months up to 300mg

Started reducing early 2015- reduced by 37.5mg each time

June 2016- cold turkey from 37.5mg

Re instated 37.5mg June 2016 -Increased to 75mg June 2016

Changed from 75mg Extended Release capsules to 37.5mg standard release liquid twice a day January 2017

Changed back to 75mg extended capsules February 2017

Tapered down by 12.5mg each reduction

Completely off Venlafaxine October 2020 - felt fine 

February 2021 - Sertraline 50mg for 2 days then stopped - bad reaction

February 2021- Venlafaxine XL 37.5mg for 12 days then stopped CT as couldn't sleep 

April 2021 - Re-instated Venlafaxine XL 12.5mg

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Stabilization is not something that happens instantly. See 


What is withdrawal syndrome? 
 
About reinstating and stabilizing to reduce withdrawal symptoms 
 
The Windows and Waves Pattern of Stabilization

 

Going on and off drugs repeatedly can make your system more vulnerable to withdrawal symptoms, causing stabilization to take longer. The nervous system is not made of rubber.

 

What time o'clock do you take your drugs, what are their dosages? How do you feel before and after you take each drug?

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein

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58 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Stabilization is not something that happens instantly. See 


What is withdrawal syndrome? 
 
About reinstating and stabilizing to reduce withdrawal symptoms 
 
The Windows and Waves Pattern of Stabilization

 

Going on and off drugs repeatedly can make your system more vulnerable to withdrawal symptoms, causing stabilization to take longer. The nervous system is not made of rubber.

 

What time o'clock do you take your drugs, what are their dosages? How do you feel before and after you take each drug?

Hi @AltostrataI take it at 9am every day. I take 12.5mg extended release. That was the last dose I had in October before stopping. Then in February I took 37.5mg for 12 days and stopped. Now just 12.5mg.

I seem to get less anxious in the evenings. Other physical symptoms of vertigo, dizziness, internal shaking are there all day pretty much. Occasionally the internal shaking isn't as bad. Been having ringing in my ears today aswell. 

Citalopram 2008-2014

Venlafaxine started 2014 37.5mg - Increased over several months up to 300mg

Started reducing early 2015- reduced by 37.5mg each time

June 2016- cold turkey from 37.5mg

Re instated 37.5mg June 2016 -Increased to 75mg June 2016

Changed from 75mg Extended Release capsules to 37.5mg standard release liquid twice a day January 2017

Changed back to 75mg extended capsules February 2017

Tapered down by 12.5mg each reduction

Completely off Venlafaxine October 2020 - felt fine 

February 2021 - Sertraline 50mg for 2 days then stopped - bad reaction

February 2021- Venlafaxine XL 37.5mg for 12 days then stopped CT as couldn't sleep 

April 2021 - Re-instated Venlafaxine XL 12.5mg

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How do you feel after you take 12.5mg venlafaxine compared to before you take it in the morning? This may require you to observe how you feel for several hours after you take your dose.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein

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venlafaxine1990

@Altostratato be honest I don't think I feel any different after I take the Venlafaxine. The vertigo is already there before taking it, as is the internal shakiness etc. 

Im concerned that the vertigo has come back even though I have reinstated the Venlafaxine 2 and a half weeks ago. Is this a sign reinstatement was a bad idea? Or is it just because my brain hasn't really registered the reinstatement yet? 

I am sleeping so much better since reinstating so that's a positive. 

The vertigo is awful, I feel like I'm moving when I'm not. When I walk or move around it's like the floor is wavy or I'm on a boat. X

 

Citalopram 2008-2014

Venlafaxine started 2014 37.5mg - Increased over several months up to 300mg

Started reducing early 2015- reduced by 37.5mg each time

June 2016- cold turkey from 37.5mg

Re instated 37.5mg June 2016 -Increased to 75mg June 2016

Changed from 75mg Extended Release capsules to 37.5mg standard release liquid twice a day January 2017

Changed back to 75mg extended capsules February 2017

Tapered down by 12.5mg each reduction

Completely off Venlafaxine October 2020 - felt fine 

February 2021 - Sertraline 50mg for 2 days then stopped - bad reaction

February 2021- Venlafaxine XL 37.5mg for 12 days then stopped CT as couldn't sleep 

April 2021 - Re-instated Venlafaxine XL 12.5mg

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Please closely observe how you feel before and after you take venlafaxine.

 

8 hours ago, venlafaxine1990 said:

I am sleeping so much better since reinstating so that's a positive. 

 

This is a good sign.

 

Is the vertigo better or worse at any particular time of day? Dizziness is a very common withdrawal symptom.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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@Altostrata I don't feel any different after taking it. The physical symtoms are already there before taking it and they seem to just be up and throughout the day. I find later at night I'm a bit more relaxed because I don't have to worry about the kids or work but still feeling physically rubbish. There's no pattern to the symptoms I just have days / hours that are better than others, sometimes in the morning, sometines in the afternoon. Doesn't make any difference what I'm doing either.

Its so confusing because I don't know if this is a delayed withdrawal from October that started in January and has Been up and down because of changing the tablets around. Or if this is just a return of my original anxiety. How would I know the difference? 

I've been on the 12.5mg Venlafaxine extended release for 3 weeks and 1 day now. Sleeping has massively improved and I'm now sleeping all night. But the anxiety and that churning nervous feeling in my stomach is still there most days. The internal shaking / buzzing feeling is also still there, but I do think that's improved. It was constant before whereas now it comes and goes throughout the day. 

The vertigo is pretty bad at the moment and the tight throat feeling also comes and goes. 

Do you think this is all signs of a slow stabilisation?? 

Should I keep on the 12.5mg or increase the dosage? 

I really appreciate the support you have given, you're a wonderful person to be giving back after your own experience, its very kind. 

Thanks 

C x

Citalopram 2008-2014

Venlafaxine started 2014 37.5mg - Increased over several months up to 300mg

Started reducing early 2015- reduced by 37.5mg each time

June 2016- cold turkey from 37.5mg

Re instated 37.5mg June 2016 -Increased to 75mg June 2016

Changed from 75mg Extended Release capsules to 37.5mg standard release liquid twice a day January 2017

Changed back to 75mg extended capsules February 2017

Tapered down by 12.5mg each reduction

Completely off Venlafaxine October 2020 - felt fine 

February 2021 - Sertraline 50mg for 2 days then stopped - bad reaction

February 2021- Venlafaxine XL 37.5mg for 12 days then stopped CT as couldn't sleep 

April 2021 - Re-instated Venlafaxine XL 12.5mg

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Hi just a quick observation, I found that taking venlafaxine in the morning, about 6 or 7 worked best for me. It may help with your sleep at night taking it a little earlier. Initially I was taking in evening and had probs sleeping.  If I took it early or later than that by more than an hour, I had horrendous side effects, heaven forbid if I forgot.. 

March - Current: mirtazapine 45mg, quetiapine 100mg, melatonin 2mg, once daily (night time). Diazepam 2mg as required, Max 2 day.
2013-2015 lexapro 10mg ceased
2015 fluoxetine, olanzapine, temazepam all ceased
2015-2019 venlafaxine 375mg, morning, titration completed with diazepam prn.. OTC codeine based meds to help with headaches and migraines.
2019-2020 venlafaxine 450mg, morning. OTC codeine meds ceased in Australia. Titration with diazepam. Prescription codeine meds, alcohol augmentation... I didn't realise that I was suffering severe side effects of the venlafaxine. Headache, migraine, middle insomnia, night sweats, difficulty concentrating, constant thirst, high blood pressure etc.
November 2020 hospital admission 16 days, venlafaxine reduced to 375mg, mirtazapine introduced, titration to 45mg, quetiapine 100mg ir, lorazepam prn.
Planned reduction of venlafaxine post discharge, 75mg drop monthly. Planned discontinuation of quetiapine 100-50-25 over 4 months. Lorazepam ceased on discharge.
2021 Hospital admission February, 5 weeks. Venlafaxine 225mg - 300mg - 0mg in 13 days. Worst 3 weeks of my life. Quetiapine 100mg up as high as 300mg combination of ir and xr, as well as being listed as 1st line prn... 100mg at discharge, Lorazepam 2nd line prn, mirtazapine 45mg.
 

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12 hours ago, venlafaxine1990 said:

I've been on the 12.5mg Venlafaxine extended release for 3 weeks and 1 day now. Sleeping has massively improved and I'm now sleeping all night. But the anxiety and that churning nervous feeling in my stomach is still there most days. The internal shaking / buzzing feeling is also still there, but I do think that's improved. It was constant before whereas now it comes and goes throughout the day. 

The vertigo is pretty bad at the moment and the tight throat feeling also comes and goes. 

Do you think this is all signs of a slow stabilisation?? 

 

Yes.

 

You will need to be patient and let your nervous system stabilize.

 

You can tell you experienced withdrawal because you have symptoms different from your usual anxiety and they're slowly going away with reinstatement, which is what we expect from reinstatement.

 

Many people find fish oil and magnesium supplements helpful, see


https://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/36-king-of-supplements-omega-3-fatty-acids-fish-oil/


https://survivingantidepressants.org/topic/15483-magnesium-natures-calcium-channel-blocker/

 

You might try a little bit of one at a time to see how it affects you.

 

Please let us know how you're doing.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein

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@AltostrataI've reduced my omeprazole by 10 beads which is approx 20% of the dose. Did this about 6 days ago I think although can't remember exactly. Could reducing omeprazole affect the Venlafaxine at all do you think? 

Citalopram 2008-2014

Venlafaxine started 2014 37.5mg - Increased over several months up to 300mg

Started reducing early 2015- reduced by 37.5mg each time

June 2016- cold turkey from 37.5mg

Re instated 37.5mg June 2016 -Increased to 75mg June 2016

Changed from 75mg Extended Release capsules to 37.5mg standard release liquid twice a day January 2017

Changed back to 75mg extended capsules February 2017

Tapered down by 12.5mg each reduction

Completely off Venlafaxine October 2020 - felt fine 

February 2021 - Sertraline 50mg for 2 days then stopped - bad reaction

February 2021- Venlafaxine XL 37.5mg for 12 days then stopped CT as couldn't sleep 

April 2021 - Re-instated Venlafaxine XL 12.5mg

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@Altostrata also... I had a bad night with anxiety last night. Was lying in bed and my mind was just spinning with all sorts and just couldn't quieten my mind. Felt really shaky and on edge. Got up and went downstairs to see if a change of scenery would help, it didn't. I ended up taking a 2mg Diazepam that I had in the cupboard. I then went to sleep not long after. It didn't completely take it away, but it did take the edge off the anxiety.

Feeling quite anxious again this morning with the stomach churning feeling. So tempting to take another diazepam but don't want to get addicted to something else x

Citalopram 2008-2014

Venlafaxine started 2014 37.5mg - Increased over several months up to 300mg

Started reducing early 2015- reduced by 37.5mg each time

June 2016- cold turkey from 37.5mg

Re instated 37.5mg June 2016 -Increased to 75mg June 2016

Changed from 75mg Extended Release capsules to 37.5mg standard release liquid twice a day January 2017

Changed back to 75mg extended capsules February 2017

Tapered down by 12.5mg each reduction

Completely off Venlafaxine October 2020 - felt fine 

February 2021 - Sertraline 50mg for 2 days then stopped - bad reaction

February 2021- Venlafaxine XL 37.5mg for 12 days then stopped CT as couldn't sleep 

April 2021 - Re-instated Venlafaxine XL 12.5mg

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