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Does someone have a strategy to cope with breathing OCD? I still get affcted now and then esp. when base anxiety is present.
I can't stop thinking about by breathing and manually control it. And very often the thought about get stuck in this repeated tking scares the hell out of me :(
It's even spread out the way that I'm not even get struggle with the breathing itself, but just the idea of thinking about it...While I know it's automatic when not to control it .

1998-2020  Paroxetine 20mg, stopped working 2018/08 tapered down to 6mg now @ 1%/week 2019 /04      Lorazepam 3x1mg, 1x0,5mg night, Lormetazepam 0,5mg night
2019/05       Buspirone addition 3x5mg worked like wonders for one month, stopped ct 2019/12        Mirtazipine, first 2x10mg til 2021/2, no effect, now 3mg for sleep
2020/06       Wellbutrin 6 weeks, no effect stopped ct 2020/08 Lexapro, trying, to crossover, got crazy from 1 mg/day after 6 days, stopped
2020/11        Clomipramine to 50mg, adverse effect, restless, panic, low mood, anxiety, fast taper down to 30 (plan is go to ~20 and hold and taper only parox. and benzo's and maybe Mirt if I sleep)

2021/1         3x1000mg gaba, 3x10mg Lithium Orotate, 3x 1000mg L-Tyrosine,2-3 times 1x400mg magnesium citrate , 2-3 times 1x1000mg vit. C,1x15mg Zinc,

                     3 times 2mg Molybdeen Glycinate, 2 times 2000mg Omgea 3-6-9 and 1x16mg B6 (P5P) 2021/03/17  Gaba, Tyrosine and Lithium orotate to 3x1 tablet.

2021/03/17   Cl 30, P 5,8. 2021/03/20 Cl 28. 2021/03/23 M 2,7. 2021/03/25 M 2,6, Cl 26, P 5,7. 2021/03/28 Cl 25. 2021/04/1 P 5,6. 2021/04/07 Cl 24,P 5,5. 2021/04/08 Cl 23,5. 2021/04/13 P5,4

2021/03/26  Lor 3x0,9, 1x0,45 night, Lorm 0,45night 2021/04/13 CL 23, M 2,5. 2021/04/16 Cl 22,5, P 5,3. 2021/04/18 M 2,4. 2021/04/24 Cl 22. 2021/04/29 M2,3, P5,28. 2021/05/8 Cl 21,5.

2021/05/9   M 2,2, P 5,22. 2021/05/12 Cl back to 22, 2021/05/20 Lor 3x0,8, night 1x0,40 Lorm 1x0,40 2021/05/27 Cl 20(holding)2021/05/28 P5,15 (holding)2021/05/31 Cl 22 (holding)

2021/06/7   Lor 3x0,75 1x0,38 night, Lorm 0,38night 2021/11/7 P5

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There are many existing topics on SA.  Use a search engine and add site:survivingantidepressants.org to the search term.  Searching for breathing found these:

 

shortness-of-breath-and-other-breathing-issues

 

breathing-technique-to-help-anxiety-sleep-asthma-dry-mouth-etc

 

breathing-for-mood-and-well-being-yoga-wim-hoff-and-other-techniques

 

I think that some of the issue may be actually anxiety causing it.  When I am anxious I tend to only breathe shallowly.  Learning and using non drug coping techniques can be helpful.  I have found that doing concentrated / controlled deep breathing whilst focusing on the movements of my body when I breathe in and out has helped when it happens to me.  If I am driving and unable to do it fully, I just tell myself to chill or you are okay and take a few slow, deeper breaths.

 

This is labeled diagram on this excellent website which shows what happens to the body when we are anxious:

 

https://www.getselfhelp.co.uk/anxiety.htm

 

 

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Will take a look there and search for sensorimotor obsessions:

 

This is what it is:

International OCD Foundation | When Automatic Bodily Processes Become Conscious: How to Disengage from “Sensorimotor Obsessions” (iocdf.org)

Will try your thechnique tomorrow when it pops up again, thanks!

1998-2020  Paroxetine 20mg, stopped working 2018/08 tapered down to 6mg now @ 1%/week 2019 /04      Lorazepam 3x1mg, 1x0,5mg night, Lormetazepam 0,5mg night
2019/05       Buspirone addition 3x5mg worked like wonders for one month, stopped ct 2019/12        Mirtazipine, first 2x10mg til 2021/2, no effect, now 3mg for sleep
2020/06       Wellbutrin 6 weeks, no effect stopped ct 2020/08 Lexapro, trying, to crossover, got crazy from 1 mg/day after 6 days, stopped
2020/11        Clomipramine to 50mg, adverse effect, restless, panic, low mood, anxiety, fast taper down to 30 (plan is go to ~20 and hold and taper only parox. and benzo's and maybe Mirt if I sleep)

2021/1         3x1000mg gaba, 3x10mg Lithium Orotate, 3x 1000mg L-Tyrosine,2-3 times 1x400mg magnesium citrate , 2-3 times 1x1000mg vit. C,1x15mg Zinc,

                     3 times 2mg Molybdeen Glycinate, 2 times 2000mg Omgea 3-6-9 and 1x16mg B6 (P5P) 2021/03/17  Gaba, Tyrosine and Lithium orotate to 3x1 tablet.

2021/03/17   Cl 30, P 5,8. 2021/03/20 Cl 28. 2021/03/23 M 2,7. 2021/03/25 M 2,6, Cl 26, P 5,7. 2021/03/28 Cl 25. 2021/04/1 P 5,6. 2021/04/07 Cl 24,P 5,5. 2021/04/08 Cl 23,5. 2021/04/13 P5,4

2021/03/26  Lor 3x0,9, 1x0,45 night, Lorm 0,45night 2021/04/13 CL 23, M 2,5. 2021/04/16 Cl 22,5, P 5,3. 2021/04/18 M 2,4. 2021/04/24 Cl 22. 2021/04/29 M2,3, P5,28. 2021/05/8 Cl 21,5.

2021/05/9   M 2,2, P 5,22. 2021/05/12 Cl back to 22, 2021/05/20 Lor 3x0,8, night 1x0,40 Lorm 1x0,40 2021/05/27 Cl 20(holding)2021/05/28 P5,15 (holding)2021/05/31 Cl 22 (holding)

2021/06/7   Lor 3x0,75 1x0,38 night, Lorm 0,38night 2021/11/7 P5

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Sadly I haven't found many content about this specific issue. I hoped to find some tips.
Btw, I got this issue due our fantastic antidepressants, otherwise I was never able to think into so much insanity...

I hope I am able to get back at my factory default brain instead of this psychothic insanity one. (it scares me allready a bit less and I'm even laugh at it sometimes, so like, it's all through the drugs)).

1998-2020  Paroxetine 20mg, stopped working 2018/08 tapered down to 6mg now @ 1%/week 2019 /04      Lorazepam 3x1mg, 1x0,5mg night, Lormetazepam 0,5mg night
2019/05       Buspirone addition 3x5mg worked like wonders for one month, stopped ct 2019/12        Mirtazipine, first 2x10mg til 2021/2, no effect, now 3mg for sleep
2020/06       Wellbutrin 6 weeks, no effect stopped ct 2020/08 Lexapro, trying, to crossover, got crazy from 1 mg/day after 6 days, stopped
2020/11        Clomipramine to 50mg, adverse effect, restless, panic, low mood, anxiety, fast taper down to 30 (plan is go to ~20 and hold and taper only parox. and benzo's and maybe Mirt if I sleep)

2021/1         3x1000mg gaba, 3x10mg Lithium Orotate, 3x 1000mg L-Tyrosine,2-3 times 1x400mg magnesium citrate , 2-3 times 1x1000mg vit. C,1x15mg Zinc,

                     3 times 2mg Molybdeen Glycinate, 2 times 2000mg Omgea 3-6-9 and 1x16mg B6 (P5P) 2021/03/17  Gaba, Tyrosine and Lithium orotate to 3x1 tablet.

2021/03/17   Cl 30, P 5,8. 2021/03/20 Cl 28. 2021/03/23 M 2,7. 2021/03/25 M 2,6, Cl 26, P 5,7. 2021/03/28 Cl 25. 2021/04/1 P 5,6. 2021/04/07 Cl 24,P 5,5. 2021/04/08 Cl 23,5. 2021/04/13 P5,4

2021/03/26  Lor 3x0,9, 1x0,45 night, Lorm 0,45night 2021/04/13 CL 23, M 2,5. 2021/04/16 Cl 22,5, P 5,3. 2021/04/18 M 2,4. 2021/04/24 Cl 22. 2021/04/29 M2,3, P5,28. 2021/05/8 Cl 21,5.

2021/05/9   M 2,2, P 5,22. 2021/05/12 Cl back to 22, 2021/05/20 Lor 3x0,8, night 1x0,40 Lorm 1x0,40 2021/05/27 Cl 20(holding)2021/05/28 P5,15 (holding)2021/05/31 Cl 22 (holding)

2021/06/7   Lor 3x0,75 1x0,38 night, Lorm 0,38night 2021/11/7 P5

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I feel my Neuro emotions are my normal thoughts, well I guess most peoples normal thoughts.  However instead of letting the thoughts go I ruminate on them. 

 

For example, everyone worries about losing their job, the death of a loved one, their own death.  But these are fleeting and the feeling passes quickly.  However, when in withdrawal, these thoughts and emotions become exaggerated.  It's horrible and relentless.  I feel trapped inside my own mind.

 

Did anyone have bad Neuro emotions that went away after a while?

Med History

 

March 2014 - June 2014: Zoloft 100mg?

August 2014: Effexor for 3 days

August 2014 - October 2017: Lexapro 20mg, three month taper (jumped at 5mg)

January 2018 - August 2020: Reinstate Lexapro 20 mg, six month taper (jumped at 1mg)

August 2014 - December 2019: Klonopin from 1mg to 1.5mg, year long taper (jumped at .125mg)

 

Supplement: Magnesium 

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On 3/29/2011 at 5:02 PM, Healing said:

Whenever you're having an intense, disturbing feeling, try to remind yourself that, right now -- even if it does have something to do with reality -- it is largely a neuro-emotion that you wouldn't be feeling if you were fully healed. And you *will* be fully healed. It's happening! Get ready!


I’m currently in the throes of these intense emotions. Been crying on and off all day and my emotions have been a mess. Reading this is encouraging to me even though the concept of being “fully healed” seems like an impossibility right now. 

2013-2015: paroxetine, with brief switch to sertraline, and brief combo with bupropion  • 2015: got off all antidepressant meds for approx 9-12 months, felt great 2015: fluoxetine, bad side effects, quit after two weeks 2015: escitalopram 15mg/day Summer 2019: attempted fast taper off escitalopram, reinstated to 15mg/day dose after six weeks • October 16, 2020: begin taper off escitalopram at rate of 1mg per 1 week (sometimes per 2 weeks) using 1mg/ml liquid from pharmacy • January 22, 2021: down to 3mg and holding due to worsening of WD symptoms • February 4, 2021: reinstate 4mg dose and holding • February 2021: tapering at 10% every 28 days July 2021: begin using microtaper of 2.5% per week February 2022: down to 1.43mg and experiencing worsening WD symptoms, updose to 1.45mg and holding March 2022: resume microtaper schedule, lowest dose: 1.34 mg March 2022: extended hold at 1.36 mg

July 2022: resume taper, current dose 1.22 mg

 

Supplements: vitamin D, vitamin C, iron, magnesium, omega-3 fish oil, vitamin B complex, melatonin(as needed). Other prescription meds: metformin (for type 2 diabetes), levothyroxine (for hypothyroidism)
 

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I'm experiencing neuro emotions today - neuro - paranoia.  My husband likes to tease, and I am finding myself taking offense to teasing, at times.   I was teased by bullies as a child, so I think that is triggering me.  I've discussed it with him, and shown him the first page of this thread.  My poor husband, this WD is hard for him too.  I'm also getting over another crying spell.  I do think the tears are partly from my emotions having been covered up by the psych drugs all those years.  After a crying spell, I always feel a sense of relief and lightness.  

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***Please note this is not medical advice.  Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a doctor who understands psych meds and how to withdraw from them, if you can find one.

 

Lexapro   Started Apr 15 '02 - 10 mg;  Apr 2 '20  0.18 mg; Jul 16  0.17 mg, Aug 23  0.16 mg, Oct 7  0.15 mg, Nov 8 - 0.14, Jan 16 '21 - 0.13, Feb 7 - 0.12, Feb 22 - 0.11, Mar 26 - 0.10, May 21 - 0.09, June 15 - 0.08 Aug 16 - 0.07, Oct 6 - 0.06, Nov 21 0.05, Dec. 17 0.04, Jan 14 '22 0.03, Feb 19 0.02, Apr 18 0.01, May 15 0.005,  Jul 8, 0.00.  Psych Drug Free as of July 8, 2022!!  Woohoo!!!

Ibuprofen 800 mg, Tylenol 1000 mg, Benadryl 50 mg as needed

other meds: Levothyroxine 75 mg

Trazodone on occasion, stopped in late 2019

Xanax on occasion, stopped in late 2019

magnesium in small amounts at 4 AM, 3 PM, before bed

suppl AM: fish oil, flax oil, vit C, vit E, multivitamin, zinc

suppl noon: calcium

suppl supper: calcium

suppl 8 PM: magnesium 350 mg, GABA 750 mg, Estroven, melatonin 2 mg

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I'm sorry you're dealing with these fake emotions. They are so real to us no? I'm having same. Two weeks ago, I was in wd normal, close to my usual happier, confident self. My last cut saw a such a change in that. Moody, sad, anxiety filled.... what the heck? 10% reductions monthly up 'til now have been manageable. Must've caught up with me because I've been slammed this last time. Praying (for us both) and holding 'til if fades back to wd normal again.

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2002 Escitalopram 10 mg

2018 2.5 mg - stopped by Dr./Reinstated, up-dosed to 7.5 mg

04/19 Began BM slide

CURRENT  .82mg 🌼

 

"If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth."

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@getofflex: I really related to your post and appreciated your openness at what has been happening for you.  You are not alone.

 

I am glad you are able to cry (I can't always although will feel that I want to so badly) and get out those emotions - that it great it brings you a sense of relief and lightness.

 

You are doing great!  Keep hanging in there - you are almost done with your taper....that is so exciting!!

-1/06 - 3/07 Cymbalta. Fast taper; withdrawal symptoms after 4 mos (didn't realize was WD)

-10/07: 100 mg Zoloft; 1 mg Klonopin - tapered off Klonopin
-Tried several times to slowly taper Zoloft by 10%, then 5% every 4-6 weeks; could never get below approx. 40 mg - spring 2012 experienced major WD symptoms due to stress; tried to updose but no relief, back on Klonopin 1 mg.
-Switched over 5-6 mos from Zoloft to Citalopram. Finished Zoloft 1/13; Citalopram 35 mg and 1 mg Klonopin.
-8/13: 27 mg Citalopram; 1 mg Klonopin

-11/14: 12.6 Citalopram - began to have bad withdrawal symptoms; out of desperation increased to 1.25 mg Klonopin at the beginning of December.  12/13/14 16 mg Citalopram - going to stay here to try to stabilize; stabilized on 16 mg Citalopram after 4-5 months

-7/15 - 3/16: reduced to 15 mg; ~ 2 months later w/d hit hard (probably r/t stress); 6/16 updosed to 20 mg Citalopram and trying to stabilize. Updosed to 1.5 Klonopin as well. Stabilized on 20 mg Citalopram after 4-5 months

8/17-9/17: feeling withdrawal symptoms at 20 mg Citalopram (due to stress) - slowly increased to 25 mg. No change in symptoms after 6 months (? tolerance ?)  - decided to start citalopram taper February 2018 (still on Klonopin 1.5 mg).

Supplements: fish oil; magnesium; vitamin D3; curcumin

Citalopram taper:  2/2018 - 12/2019: 25 mg - 11.03 mg I 2020: 10.89 mg - 7.9 mg I 2021: 7.8 mg - 5.26 mg

2022: 1/5/22: 5.2 mg (1.25%); 1/12/22: 5.1 mg (1.25%); 1/19/22: 5.07 mg (1.25%); 1/26/22: 5.0 mg (1.25%); 5/1/22: 4.9 mg (1.25%); 5/8/22: 4.88 mg; 5/15/22: 4.8 mg  (1.25%); 5/22/22: 4.76 mg (1.25%); 6/5/22: 4.7 mg (1.25%); 6/12/22: 4.6 mg (1.25%); 6/19/22: 4.58 mg (1.25%); 6/26/22: 4.5 mg; 7/10/22: 4.47 mg (1.25%); 7/17/22: 4.4 mg (1.25%); 7/24/22: 4.36 mg (1.25%); 7/31/22: 4.3 mg (1.25%)

 

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Is anyone else struggling with feelings of shame? Last winter my brain suddenly decided that a thing I did which I had been fine with up until that point, was in fact incredibly immoral and it made me feel so guilty that I thought I would implode. But it was not a big deal at all.

 

Then this spring, a moderately negative event happened in my relationship and it has filled me with so much shame that I can barely express myself to my partner. I just don't say anything. The emotion engulfs me, I can feel it in every fiber of my being.

 

Took me a few months to stop worrying about the first event. The second, is still ongoing. I realize it's no big deal, but then, for no apparent reason, the emotion returns in exactly the same state as it was.

 

The reason why I believe these two events are due to withdrawal is because the onset is so sudden, and when I manage to realize they are no big deal, the shame inevitably returns like a dark cloud in my life.

- March 2017: 50mg Sertraline starts

- August 2017: up to 100mg

- February 2018: down to 50mg

- November 2018: one-week taper down to 0mg

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I don't know that I'd call what I had shame, although it came close, I think....

during WD recovery, all of my feelings were really strong.

I would have feelings of deep regret and remorse over the silliest stuff- even things that had happened a long time in the past

I also worried that people knew about this shameful thing and then got anxiety over it... but I have a trauma history so this paranoia was more related to my past trauma I believe, than to WD recovery.

 

I think it's part of the recovery process.... My thinking is that psych meds dull or damp down your emotions so when they come back, they can be very intense.

 

not sure if that helps any. I hope so. 

 

 

I hope your emotions settle down soon! 

 

  • pysch med history: 1974 @ age 18 to Oct 2017 (approx 43 yrs total)
  •  Drug list: stelazine, haldol, elavil, lithium, zoloft, celexa, lexapro(doses as high as 40mgs), klonopin, ambien, seroquel(high doses), depakote, zyprexa, lamictal- plus brief trials of dozens of other psych meds over the years
  • started lexapro 2002, dose varied from 20mgs to 40mgs. I tried to get off it several times. WD symptoms were mistaken for "relapse". 
  •  2013 too fast taper down to 5mg but WD forced me back to 20mgs
  •  June of 2105, tapered again too rapidly to 2.5mgs by Dec 2015. Found SA, held at 2.5 mgs til May 2016 when I foolishly "jumped off". Crashed in Sept, reinstated at 0.3mgs in Oct. 2106
  • Tapered off to zero by  Oct. 2017 Doing very well
  • Nov. 2018 feel 95% healed, current age 63 
  • Jan. 2020 feel 100% healed, peaceful and content 
  • Aug  2022 ❤️ loving life ❤️ 
 
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4 hours ago, herod said:

Is anyone else struggling with feelings of shame?

 

There are many existing discussions about various topics on the SA website.  The easiest way to find them is to use a search engine and add site:survivingantidepressants.org to the search term.  I searched for the word "shame":

 

shame-guilt-regret-and-self-criticism

 

 VIDEO:   Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management

 

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED:    (6 year taper)      0mg Pristiq      on 13th November 2021

Woohoo!!!  Finally off Pristiq    Post 0 updates start here

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021   LAST DOSE 0.0025mg

My full tapering program     My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)    My website

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.  Please DO NOT TAG me - thank you.

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My God these neuro emotions are tough. They feel so REAL. I do worry my intense anger and irritability will get me into trouble sometimes and I'll end up punching not the wall, but..... Neuro depression and fear have taken root too. I am just one big ball of raw nerves. It helps to journal all this out on here....I hope that's OK. Hopefully someone will read all my ranty guff and relate! Healing thoughts to everyone. x

History of depression and anxiety. Symptoms of PTSD.

1998-1999 Venlafaxine 2006-2007 Prozac. 2013-15 Sertraline 50mg. 2015 cross-tapered to citalopram 20mg. 2015-2021 Citalopram 20mg (brief increase to 30mg for 2/3 months in 2019.

01/2021 Dropped from 20mg to 10mg, back up to 20mg til June.

25/6/21 stopped CT. Started 50mg 5htp after a week without citalopram in the hope this would balance out my serotonin levels. After 3 days increased to 100mg 5htp.
11/7/21 Stopped 5htp with the intention of reinstating citalopram at 1mg.  

16/7/21 Reinstated cit at 1mg.

2/8/21 Increased dose to 2mg. 
28/11/21 10% reduction to 1.8mg.

8/12/21 2mg 6/1/22 1.8mg 10/2/22 1.6mg 13/5/22 1.5mg 4/6/22 1.55mg 4/7/22 1.4mg 4/8/22 1.25mg

Multiple unsuccessful previous attempts to taper off citalopram. Vegan, otherwise healthy lifestyle. Other medications; kliovance (HRT) Other supplements; magnesium glycinate, calcium, B12, vitD and vegan omega3. I use valerian and lemon balm tea for anxiety relief

Completely OFF booze (since 6/11/21) and caffeine (since July 21) now. Main symptoms; crushing depression, anhedonia/emotional anesthesia, irritability, rage, anxiety/fear, cognitive fog, inability to focus, restlessness and some insomnia

 

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5 hours ago, Kat66 said:

It helps to journal all this out on here....I hope that's OK.

 

Please use your Intro topic for journaling.

 

5 hours ago, Kat66 said:

It helps to journal

 

Do you do any relaxation exercises throughout the day?

 

SA strongly encourages members to learn and use non drug coping methods.  It's a good idea to try different things.  What works for one thing might not work for another, and what works for a thing now might not work for the same thing later:

 

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

 VIDEO:   Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management

 

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED:    (6 year taper)      0mg Pristiq      on 13th November 2021

Woohoo!!!  Finally off Pristiq    Post 0 updates start here

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021   LAST DOSE 0.0025mg

My full tapering program     My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)    My website

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.  Please DO NOT TAG me - thank you.

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On 11/4/2021 at 10:57 PM, ChessieCat said:

Do you do any relaxation exercises throughout the day?

I meditate/do relaxation body scans etc every day. I listen to a lot of relaxing soundscapes on YT. These do have an effect but when things are turned up to 11 in a bad way, nothing helps, I have to be honest.

History of depression and anxiety. Symptoms of PTSD.

1998-1999 Venlafaxine 2006-2007 Prozac. 2013-15 Sertraline 50mg. 2015 cross-tapered to citalopram 20mg. 2015-2021 Citalopram 20mg (brief increase to 30mg for 2/3 months in 2019.

01/2021 Dropped from 20mg to 10mg, back up to 20mg til June.

25/6/21 stopped CT. Started 50mg 5htp after a week without citalopram in the hope this would balance out my serotonin levels. After 3 days increased to 100mg 5htp.
11/7/21 Stopped 5htp with the intention of reinstating citalopram at 1mg.  

16/7/21 Reinstated cit at 1mg.

2/8/21 Increased dose to 2mg. 
28/11/21 10% reduction to 1.8mg.

8/12/21 2mg 6/1/22 1.8mg 10/2/22 1.6mg 13/5/22 1.5mg 4/6/22 1.55mg 4/7/22 1.4mg 4/8/22 1.25mg

Multiple unsuccessful previous attempts to taper off citalopram. Vegan, otherwise healthy lifestyle. Other medications; kliovance (HRT) Other supplements; magnesium glycinate, calcium, B12, vitD and vegan omega3. I use valerian and lemon balm tea for anxiety relief

Completely OFF booze (since 6/11/21) and caffeine (since July 21) now. Main symptoms; crushing depression, anhedonia/emotional anesthesia, irritability, rage, anxiety/fear, cognitive fog, inability to focus, restlessness and some insomnia

 

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4 hours ago, Kat66 said:

when things are turned up to 11 in a bad way, nothing helps, I have to be honest.

 

That is good that you are doing regular relaxation.  Many members of SA have times when nothing helps.

 

Please read the following:

  

On 8/9/2021 at 5:06 AM, brassmonkey said:

AAF is one of the foundations of self care.

 

AAF: Acknowledge, Accept, Float.  It's what you have to do when nothing else works, and can be a very powerful tool in coping with anxiety.  The neuroemotional anxiety many of us feel during WD is directly caused by the drugs and their chemical reactions in the brain.  Making it so there is nothing we can do about them.  They won't respond to other drugs, relaxation techniques and the like.  They do, however, react very well to being ignored.  That's the concept behind AAF.  Acknowledge, get to know the feeling involved, explore them.  Accept, These feelings are a part of you and they aren't going anywhere fast. Float, let the feeling float off as you get on with your life as best as you can.  It's a well documented fact that the more you feed in to anxiety the worse it gets.  What starts as generalized neuroemotinal anxiety can be easily blown into a full fledged panic attack just by thinking about it.

 

I often liken it to an unwanted house guest.  At first you talk to them, have conversations, communicate with them.  After a while you figure out that they aren't leaving and there is nothing you can do to get rid of them.  So you go on about your day, working around them until they get bored and leave.

 

It can take some practice, but AAF really does work.

 

There is a lot of other information around the site, a site search on AAF will bring it up.

 

 

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On 4/26/2021 at 3:53 PM, Jennings said:

I feel my Neuro emotions are my normal thoughts, well I guess most peoples normal thoughts.  However instead of letting the thoughts go I ruminate on them. 

 

For example, everyone worries about losing their job, the death of a loved one, their own death.  But these are fleeting and the feeling passes quickly.  However, when in withdrawal, these thoughts and emotions become exaggerated.  It's horrible and relentless.  I feel trapped inside my own mind.

 

Did anyone have bad Neuro emotions that went away after a while?

 

@Jennings

This is what I am currently going through.  I can't stop thinking about time, death and being alone.  The feelings are so magnifying that I feel as they will cripple me.

Starting around 2014 - 100mg Luvox / mid-August 2021 - 100mg Luvox to 50mg (30days) / mid-September 2021  - 25mg Luvox (30 days) / mid-October 2021 - Stopped completely / Tried 10mg of Prosac for 2 nights only (Dec 14-15, 2021) / Before all this in 2014, I was taking around 10mg of Lexapro for around 2-3 years

Supplements:  Chelated Magnesium / Fish Oil / Vitamin E

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When the emotions come back ...

 

Hey guys, does anybody experienced, when the emotions come back, that they "hit" really brutal? 

 

I didn't had emotions for more or less 7 month after CT. And now, out of nowhere i feel all day long extrem intense feelings.

 

Like i am hyper emotional..

One minute i cry, than i feel emotional pain, than i feel unwell... mostly very terrible emotions. But i couldn't cry before that "stage".

 And now i am crying all day long. It is way harder than without emotions, but heeling i guess isn't always nice. 

 

Has somebody experienced similar ? 

 

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I'm wondering if something in your brain has healed enough that it's now restored your ability to feel these negative emotions. Things which have been held back and suppressed by WD and antidepressants. 

 

Because you might've not felt these negative emotions for so long, they're coming out more intense. You may even be more sensitive towards anything which can provoke a negative reaction. 

 

Hopefully within time it should begin to settle down, and not be as intense. I believe there's many people who have experienced the same thing 

Riseridone (dose unknown) 2010 (no approximate end, short-term use), Aspergers. Tapered. Fluxoetine 10mg 13/14. Direct switch to -- Citalopram 2014/14. Quetiapine 2014/14. 1 week. (Cold turkey, advised by NHS). 

Risperidone, 20th March 2016, cold turkey April 10th, 2016 Zoloft, April, 2016, 25mg, increased to 50mg in May, increased to 100mg in late 2016, decreased to 50mg, September 2019(Accidentally)weaned myself off. Reinstated Zoloft 50mg for 3 days - March 23rd to 26th. Early 2021 (changed brand of Zoloft. Tapered down. Med free since 11th February. Waiting to see if any windows happen). Supplements (occasionally l theanine 300mg, trialing CBD) Took a small light dab of powder, barely a compound. Deciding to wait and see what happens afterwards, not wanting to reinstate now. 

 

Took a small dose of L-Theanine (under 20mg). Negative reaction included: sweating, mania, head pressure, head tingling, worse insomnia. Not touching anything ever again. 

 

Anhedonic since March 2020!

Using a THC free edible on the 5th June ruined everything. Insomnia, no appetite, numbness, DP/DR.

 

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I started having emotions the lower my daily dose of escitalopram got. It was (and is) really unsettling and takes considerable strength to control myself. What's the worst is that I suddenly seem to realize that 24 years of life have passed by and I am still here sitting like I am in my twenties.

First years:

2004-2007: Amitriptyline (which in retrospect did not help much)

2007-2009/10: Mirtazapine

2010 - 2012: Fluoxetine (gave me diarrhea), Trimipramine/Doxepin (at least helped with sleep)

2012-2015: Clomipramine; (great after I got used to its initial side effects, but absolutely killed my sex drive); Doxepin; Quetiapine during a crisis (made me gain weight like hell and nailed me to the bed)

2016 to today: Escitalopram (more tolerable like Clomipramine, but made me indifferent to everything around me) Doxepin, Pregabaline (killed my anxiety, but tolerance built quickly)

First more or less successful Escitalopram taper in spring 2021: about four weeks from 20mg to 0mg, stayed there until July 2021


Now: Escitalopram: 0mg since June 24th, 2022
Other psych meds: Pregabalin 25mg in the morning, 45mg Doxepin at bedtime, 1mg Melatonin at bedtime

 

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@00ColdTurkey 

Thank you so much for your answer. Yes, i am pretty sure there is something healed in my brain, and now my brain is able to produce emotions again. But it's definitely not right calibrated at the moment. But i am sure it will get better!

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Hi, thank you so much for your answer! 

I wasn't that long on AD (7 month, enough to make me suffer hard).. but in my experience those pills just let us feel okay. We don't feel good or bad.. Everything is okay. But the normal ups and downs are deleted. 

 

And in my case those ups and downs are coming back now. But it's definitely to much! But I guess it will level out. 

 

Normally those emotions are telling me what is good and what not. 

 

For example when I feel unwell in a situation, I try to get out of it.. 

 

Now I feel extremely unwell... but for no reason! And that's extremely annoying, because you can't do anything, just wait it out.. 

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Hi, sorry I haven't been here for a while.

 

Yes, the ups and downs are definitely coming back for me too now and, to be hontest, I am starting to hate it.

Hope I will get used to them after a while. The downs are most annoying and I am sometimes thinking of starting medication again.

But I am not yet feeling bad enough for that.

First years:

2004-2007: Amitriptyline (which in retrospect did not help much)

2007-2009/10: Mirtazapine

2010 - 2012: Fluoxetine (gave me diarrhea), Trimipramine/Doxepin (at least helped with sleep)

2012-2015: Clomipramine; (great after I got used to its initial side effects, but absolutely killed my sex drive); Doxepin; Quetiapine during a crisis (made me gain weight like hell and nailed me to the bed)

2016 to today: Escitalopram (more tolerable like Clomipramine, but made me indifferent to everything around me) Doxepin, Pregabaline (killed my anxiety, but tolerance built quickly)

First more or less successful Escitalopram taper in spring 2021: about four weeks from 20mg to 0mg, stayed there until July 2021


Now: Escitalopram: 0mg since June 24th, 2022
Other psych meds: Pregabalin 25mg in the morning, 45mg Doxepin at bedtime, 1mg Melatonin at bedtime

 

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Does this sound like neuro-emotions? I keep going into these depressive states where no matter what anyone says to me, no matter how caring or positive, it doesn't break me out of the cycle. And I just fall deeper until I'm somewhat catatonic... 

 

Also another thing. I keep on reacting to things weirdly. For example, I've always had tough luck with friends, but usually I'd be able to shrug off any depression and be able to smile again. But this time I'm constantly obsessing over the nasty stuff people have said and done to me. All of the questions unanswered, etc. 

 

And the thing is, I'm not doing this. I'm not consciously wanting to THINK about this. I keep trying to be positive and think about things that aren't so sh*t. But my brain keeps freaking out, having existential crisis, and my self worth goes down and I can't break out and feel so much anxiety and dread. 

 

I'm hoping it goes away soon... it isn't me... I hate that I can't access my happiness... I hate that I'm being terrorised by my own brain 

 

Edit: also whenever I do feel some joy, this HUGE WAVE of anxiety rushes over me and involuntarily blocks me from feeling that... it's driving me mental

Riseridone (dose unknown) 2010 (no approximate end, short-term use), Aspergers. Tapered. Fluxoetine 10mg 13/14. Direct switch to -- Citalopram 2014/14. Quetiapine 2014/14. 1 week. (Cold turkey, advised by NHS). 

Risperidone, 20th March 2016, cold turkey April 10th, 2016 Zoloft, April, 2016, 25mg, increased to 50mg in May, increased to 100mg in late 2016, decreased to 50mg, September 2019(Accidentally)weaned myself off. Reinstated Zoloft 50mg for 3 days - March 23rd to 26th. Early 2021 (changed brand of Zoloft. Tapered down. Med free since 11th February. Waiting to see if any windows happen). Supplements (occasionally l theanine 300mg, trialing CBD) Took a small light dab of powder, barely a compound. Deciding to wait and see what happens afterwards, not wanting to reinstate now. 

 

Took a small dose of L-Theanine (under 20mg). Negative reaction included: sweating, mania, head pressure, head tingling, worse insomnia. Not touching anything ever again. 

 

Anhedonic since March 2020!

Using a THC free edible on the 5th June ruined everything. Insomnia, no appetite, numbness, DP/DR.

 

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Hi @00ColdTurkey

 

I'm sorry you're having such a hard time. It can be so very difficult, I know. 

 

Everything you describe sounds normal for withdrawal. I cannot be sure exactly what you mean, but what I'm hearing is that you're experiencing withdrawal-related anxiety and panic (intrusive thoughts, hypersensitivity to perceived threat, etc. are related to this), as well as withdrawal-related "depressive states" (to use your words), characterized by apathy, anhedonia, emotional anesthesia, etc. Unfortunately, all of this is common throughout withdrawal. Fortunately, it does get better with time. 

 

Perhaps it could be useful to read through the following help topics:

 

Apathy, anhedonia, emotional numbness, emotional anesthesia:

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/2873-apathy-anhedonia-emotional-numbness-emotional-anesthesia/#comment-5105

 

Repetitive, intrusive thoughts, rumination, and increased panic:

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/9671-withdrawal-causing-repetitive-or-intrusive-thoughts-rumination-and-increased-panic/

 

Dealing with emotional spirals:

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/13492-dealing-with-emotional-spirals/

 

Ways to cope with daily anxiety:

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/13669-ways-to-cope-with-daily-anxiety/

 

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms:

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/1112-non-drug-techniques-to-cope-with-emotional-symptoms/

 

"Change the channel" - dealing with cognitive symptoms

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/846-change-the-channel-dealing-with-cognitive-symptoms/

 

Since you posted your question here in this help topic, I'm guessing you might already be familiar with these, but they may bear repeating. 

There are many phenomenal resources on SA. As helpful as the many threads are, it's also a lot of information. Even a non-withdrawal brain would probably feel overwhelmed trying to take it all in. At various stages of withdrawal, certain topics will be more applicable to your experience than others. Then something changes and you find it useful to go back and revisit posts that you read at the very beginning, or maybe to look for new ones. I find myself continuously reading and re-reading the same threads, learning new tools and being reminded of what I read before but forgot in the interim. I've bookmarked many of my favorite topics to make them easy to find. I'm also constantly discovering new-to-me subjects and discussions that are relevant to whatever it is I'm dealing with in the moment. 

Another thing -- it took me a while to get the hang of the terminology and apply it to my embodied experience. What X symptom is called here may not necessarily resonate with our internal labeling of it, as the way we use words and language, and the way/what we feel in our bodies, is to a large extent subjective. In your post you ask:

2 hours ago, 00ColdTurkey said:

Does this sound like neuro-emotions?

 

and there may be differing opinions on whether what you describe is that which has been assigned this or that name. Ultimately, beyond a certain convenience and facility of communication, it doesn't matter that much what something is called exactly. It's possible to feel the changing sensations occurring in the body, recognize any discomfort that arises, and apply healthy, non-drug coping strategies as needed. In the long run, a lot of one's success with coping techniques is trial and error, by which I mean, there's a learning curve. Developing the ability to match the feeling in one's body to an appropriate self-soothing response will cultivate self-knowledge and self-relationship on a level more profound than the verbal plane. And now, I'm off to practice this some more myself. 

 

Best of luck to you,

A.

 

 

 

 

1996-2018 - misc. polypharmacy, incl. SSRIs, SNRIs, neuroleptics, lithium, benzos, stimulants, antihistamines, etc. (approx. 30+ drugs)

2012-2018 - 10mg lexapro/escitalopram (20mg?)    Jan. 2018 - 10mg -> 5mg, then from 5mg -> 2.5mg, then 0mg  -->  July 2018 - 0mg

2017(?)-2020 - vyvanse/lisdexamfetamine 60-70mg    2020-2021 - 70mg down to 0mg  -->  July 2021 - 0mg

March-April 2021 - vortioxetine 5-10mg (approx. 7 weeks total; CT)  -->  April 28th, 2021 - 0mg

supplements: magnesium powder (dissolved in water) as needed throughout the day; 1 tsp fish oil w/ morning meal; 2mg melatonin 

August 1, 2022 - 1 mg melatonin

 

Courage is fear that has said its prayers.  - Karle Wilson Baker

love and justice are not two. without inner change, there can be no outer change; without collective change, no change matters.  - Rev. angel Kyodo williams

Holding multiple truths. Knowing that everyone has their own accurate view of the way things are.  - text on homemade banner at Afiya house

 

I am not a medical professional; this is not medical advice. 

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@Arielthanks so much for responding. For the last 3 weeks I've been feeling borderline crazy as no matter what, I couldn't use positive or rational thought to break out of the cycle. 

 

It's distressing, because when I'm so close to breaking out of it and being happy, the anxiety rushes over forcing a memory into my head and then I'm terrified again. 

 

The resources you've shared has been a lifesaver too! It helps to put things into perspective and there's others who are going through the same battle. 

 

I can't wait to get better. 

Riseridone (dose unknown) 2010 (no approximate end, short-term use), Aspergers. Tapered. Fluxoetine 10mg 13/14. Direct switch to -- Citalopram 2014/14. Quetiapine 2014/14. 1 week. (Cold turkey, advised by NHS). 

Risperidone, 20th March 2016, cold turkey April 10th, 2016 Zoloft, April, 2016, 25mg, increased to 50mg in May, increased to 100mg in late 2016, decreased to 50mg, September 2019(Accidentally)weaned myself off. Reinstated Zoloft 50mg for 3 days - March 23rd to 26th. Early 2021 (changed brand of Zoloft. Tapered down. Med free since 11th February. Waiting to see if any windows happen). Supplements (occasionally l theanine 300mg, trialing CBD) Took a small light dab of powder, barely a compound. Deciding to wait and see what happens afterwards, not wanting to reinstate now. 

 

Took a small dose of L-Theanine (under 20mg). Negative reaction included: sweating, mania, head pressure, head tingling, worse insomnia. Not touching anything ever again. 

 

Anhedonic since March 2020!

Using a THC free edible on the 5th June ruined everything. Insomnia, no appetite, numbness, DP/DR.

 

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On 4/25/2022 at 2:37 AM, 00ColdTurkey said:

Does this sound like neuro-emotions? I keep going into these depressive states where no matter what anyone says to me, no matter how caring or positive, it doesn't break me out of the cycle. And I just fall deeper until I'm somewhat catatonic... 

 

Also another thing. I keep on reacting to things weirdly. For example, I've always had tough luck with friends, but usually I'd be able to shrug off any depression and be able to smile again. But this time I'm constantly obsessing over the nasty stuff people have said and done to me. All of the questions unanswered, etc. 

 

And the thing is, I'm not doing this. I'm not consciously wanting to THINK about this. I keep trying to be positive and think about things that aren't so sh*t. But my brain keeps freaking out, having existential crisis, and my self worth goes down and I can't break out and feel so much anxiety and dread. 

 

I'm hoping it goes away soon... it isn't me... I hate that I can't access my happiness... I hate that I'm being terrorised by my own brain 

 

Edit: also whenever I do feel some joy, this HUGE WAVE of anxiety rushes over me and involuntarily blocks me from feeling that... it's driving me mental

 

@00ColdTurkey I feel so bad for you! I'm kind of going through some very similar things.  The anxiety is brutal and I have a hard time "accepting and floating " through it. Can't stop shaking and crying all the time. Yes, existential stuff. And also some new physical symptoms that are causing me to have to stay in the house. I was getting out and working outside a bit with the garden and my horse. It was helping a lot until I had to stop.  And I know what you mean about being terrorized by your own brain. It's exhausting.

 

I just want you to know that you're not alone. I'm  praying for you that all this will pass and you will have some relief and peace in your mind. 

 

Do you have anyone for support, or are you having to deal with it all alone? I hope you have someone. I'm finding that being alone while my husband is at work is making things harder.  Please know that I'm holding you close in thought. Feel free to reach out if you need to talk. I'm from England originally and my best friends are still there. 

 

((hugs to you, love))

 

Pollyjay

64 y/o Female

Current meds:

Started:26 February, Propranolol 5 mg 8am and 8 pm

Started: 11 March 2022, Ativan : 0 .25mg 1pm and 9pm

Started: 19 February (?) Seroquel 25 mg :Now, just less than 1/4 pill ( 0.012 scale weight) 1030 pm

Started: 26 February 2022, Lunesta 1 mg: Now less than 1/4 pill (0.018 scale weight) 10:30 pm

 

Other meds: Levothyroxine 50mcg with extra 25mcg Mon. Wed. Fri.

 

 

 

 

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@00ColdTurkey @Pollyjay how are you both doing?

 

I am going through the same excruciating anxiety rumination intrusive thoughts and depression. I thought it was just me but (hope you don’t mind me saying this) I gained some comfort reading that you two had/are having the same symptoms. What I hate is that they feel so real, and it was only when I came on here and read your accounts that I realised it was part of WD. I am at a very low dose (1.5mg) and apparently the neuroemotions/other symptoms get worse at this low level (great news).

 

Sending love and support xx
 

History of depression and anxiety. Symptoms of PTSD.

1998-1999 Venlafaxine 2006-2007 Prozac. 2013-15 Sertraline 50mg. 2015 cross-tapered to citalopram 20mg. 2015-2021 Citalopram 20mg (brief increase to 30mg for 2/3 months in 2019.

01/2021 Dropped from 20mg to 10mg, back up to 20mg til June.

25/6/21 stopped CT. Started 50mg 5htp after a week without citalopram in the hope this would balance out my serotonin levels. After 3 days increased to 100mg 5htp.
11/7/21 Stopped 5htp with the intention of reinstating citalopram at 1mg.  

16/7/21 Reinstated cit at 1mg.

2/8/21 Increased dose to 2mg. 
28/11/21 10% reduction to 1.8mg.

8/12/21 2mg 6/1/22 1.8mg 10/2/22 1.6mg 13/5/22 1.5mg 4/6/22 1.55mg 4/7/22 1.4mg 4/8/22 1.25mg

Multiple unsuccessful previous attempts to taper off citalopram. Vegan, otherwise healthy lifestyle. Other medications; kliovance (HRT) Other supplements; magnesium glycinate, calcium, B12, vitD and vegan omega3. I use valerian and lemon balm tea for anxiety relief

Completely OFF booze (since 6/11/21) and caffeine (since July 21) now. Main symptoms; crushing depression, anhedonia/emotional anesthesia, irritability, rage, anxiety/fear, cognitive fog, inability to focus, restlessness and some insomnia

 

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@Kat66 @Pollyjay @00ColdTurkey and everyone else here

 

There's a great topic that goes behind-the-scenes of what we are experiencing, incl. neuro-emotions, and offers an explanation for why we get the symptoms we get. It's an interesting read and personally I find it very reassuring.

There are good reasons for why we feel the way we do, i.e. it's not in my head, it's just my brain! 

 

Check it out: 

What is happening in your brain?

1996-2018 - misc. polypharmacy, incl. SSRIs, SNRIs, neuroleptics, lithium, benzos, stimulants, antihistamines, etc. (approx. 30+ drugs)

2012-2018 - 10mg lexapro/escitalopram (20mg?)    Jan. 2018 - 10mg -> 5mg, then from 5mg -> 2.5mg, then 0mg  -->  July 2018 - 0mg

2017(?)-2020 - vyvanse/lisdexamfetamine 60-70mg    2020-2021 - 70mg down to 0mg  -->  July 2021 - 0mg

March-April 2021 - vortioxetine 5-10mg (approx. 7 weeks total; CT)  -->  April 28th, 2021 - 0mg

supplements: magnesium powder (dissolved in water) as needed throughout the day; 1 tsp fish oil w/ morning meal; 2mg melatonin 

August 1, 2022 - 1 mg melatonin

 

Courage is fear that has said its prayers.  - Karle Wilson Baker

love and justice are not two. without inner change, there can be no outer change; without collective change, no change matters.  - Rev. angel Kyodo williams

Holding multiple truths. Knowing that everyone has their own accurate view of the way things are.  - text on homemade banner at Afiya house

 

I am not a medical professional; this is not medical advice. 

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4 minutes ago, Ariel said:

@Kat66 @Pollyjay @00ColdTurkey and everyone else here

 

There's a great topic that goes behind-the-scenes of what we are experiencing, incl. neuro-emotions, and offers an explanation for why we get the symptoms we get. It's an interesting read and personally I find it very reassuring.

There are good reasons for why we feel the way we do, i.e. it's not in my head, it's just my brain! 

 

Check it out: 

What is happening in your brain?

Thanks @Ariel I’ll check that out now. I’ve not been on SA for a while and have been trying to muddle through on my own, so glad I’ve come back on and found this support just when I need it most. My god do I need it!!

History of depression and anxiety. Symptoms of PTSD.

1998-1999 Venlafaxine 2006-2007 Prozac. 2013-15 Sertraline 50mg. 2015 cross-tapered to citalopram 20mg. 2015-2021 Citalopram 20mg (brief increase to 30mg for 2/3 months in 2019.

01/2021 Dropped from 20mg to 10mg, back up to 20mg til June.

25/6/21 stopped CT. Started 50mg 5htp after a week without citalopram in the hope this would balance out my serotonin levels. After 3 days increased to 100mg 5htp.
11/7/21 Stopped 5htp with the intention of reinstating citalopram at 1mg.  

16/7/21 Reinstated cit at 1mg.

2/8/21 Increased dose to 2mg. 
28/11/21 10% reduction to 1.8mg.

8/12/21 2mg 6/1/22 1.8mg 10/2/22 1.6mg 13/5/22 1.5mg 4/6/22 1.55mg 4/7/22 1.4mg 4/8/22 1.25mg

Multiple unsuccessful previous attempts to taper off citalopram. Vegan, otherwise healthy lifestyle. Other medications; kliovance (HRT) Other supplements; magnesium glycinate, calcium, B12, vitD and vegan omega3. I use valerian and lemon balm tea for anxiety relief

Completely OFF booze (since 6/11/21) and caffeine (since July 21) now. Main symptoms; crushing depression, anhedonia/emotional anesthesia, irritability, rage, anxiety/fear, cognitive fog, inability to focus, restlessness and some insomnia

 

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@Pollyjay@Kat66@00ColdTurkey

Thank you for sharing--Like Kat66 says--it's a reminder that I are not alone... sometimes it can feel like I are the only on on a deserted island.  I   suffer from the depression-obsessing thoughts-fatigue- anxiety--the depression makes it so hard to stay positive and hopeful....I know Kat66 has talked about anger--do either of you have that too?  The cold-emotionless  anger almost distain towards something.  That is frightening...You wonder if you will snap and do something to hurt someone...  

Our poor brain trying to get it right after it's chemical brain injury

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/24894-greatful-is-this-withdrawal-or-to-many-med-changes-at-once/

1995? Prozac,  tried several Paxil, Serzone, St John's Wart back to Prozac and Trazodone ct:d Traz

 Lexapro. Tried to stop Crash in 2015  Kindled   Hospitalized, Vybrid, Seroquel, Effexor, Abilify  Pristiq, Wellbutrin-- 2016  ended back on   Prozac and Lamictal 200mg

5/2020  thru 12/2020 taper from 20mg  Prozac  down to 3mg.  Crashed  12/13/2020 Zoloft 50mg 1/29ct  1/29/2021 Seroquel 50mg ct  2/12/2021 Wellbutrin 75mg.  Became hypo manic 2/1  6ct Trazodone 50mg 4/25  25mg 2/5/ 2021 Lamictal 150mg.  2/24  100mg   4/9  75mg   4/21 37.5 

2/16/2021 Seroquel 50xr  3/3 100mg  3/17  150mg  side effects ct   4/3 2021 Lexapro 5mg  4/14  7.5mg  4/30 10mg  5/10  7.5mg 

2021/ 5/16  5mg Lexapro   37.5 Lamictal   25mg trazadone,   xanax  .0625mg  3x a day   Magnesium glycinate 300 to 400mg a day 

Xanax 0.625 3x a day   Trazodone 25mg  Holding these

Lexapro   Sept/01/2021  4.90mg>  Sept/25  4.75mg>   Oct/19 4.69mg > Nov/14 4.2mg    Jan/30/2022-- All liquid  4.2mg  (2.20mg at 8am & 2mg at 4pm) 2/17 4mg>  2/24  3.8mg   3/21 3.4mg>  5/2 3mg > 6/1  decreasing by 0.02ml  daily  to 2.7mg>  7/1 decreasing 0.02ml daily to  2.5 mg>  8/1 decreasing 0.02ml daily to 2.26mg

Lamictal  7/17/2022  25mg

Supplements  Magnesium 300mg-400mg

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5 hours ago, Kat66 said:

@00ColdTurkey @Pollyjay how are you both doing?

 

I am going through the same excruciating anxiety rumination intrusive thoughts and depression. I thought it was just me but (hope you don’t mind me saying this) I gained some comfort reading that you two had/are having the same symptoms. What I hate is that they feel so real, and it was only when I came on here and read your accounts that I realised it was part of WD. I am at a very low dose (1.5mg) and apparently the neuroemotions/other symptoms get worse at this low level (great news).

 

Sending love and support xx
 

 

Oooh, sending love and support back, Kat66. (another Lancashire lass here) I know what you're going through.  This last two days I've been in a real a real slump.  I have to keep reminding myself that it will pass and I look at the success stories here by people who went through way worse symptoms and are now living meaningful, enjoyable lives.  I hope you soon start to get some little ( or big) windows. We are here rooting for you!  We'll get there Kat!

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Started:26 February, Propranolol 5 mg 8am and 8 pm

Started: 11 March 2022, Ativan : 0 .25mg 1pm and 9pm

Started: 19 February (?) Seroquel 25 mg :Now, just less than 1/4 pill ( 0.012 scale weight) 1030 pm

Started: 26 February 2022, Lunesta 1 mg: Now less than 1/4 pill (0.018 scale weight) 10:30 pm

 

Other meds: Levothyroxine 50mcg with extra 25mcg Mon. Wed. Fri.

 

 

 

 

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@Kat66 hey, I'm grateful that you're feeling less alone now and found a little comfort. ☺️ Sometimes you've got to look in those little corners to find someone with the same battle. 

 

You asked both me and pollyjay to give our updates, as I'm me (lol), here's my update! I ate a CBD * see note below infused cookie earlier. I have NEVER tried CBD before, but whoa! That smallest amount has given me some great relief. I wouldn't even be writing this comment if it weren't for the cookie, I would be trembling in fear. 

 

I hope someday everyone on here wakes up one day without a single withdrawal symptom anymore. That their brain's are healed and they're free to do everything they might've not been able to do before! 

 

Sending hugs. 

 

* MOD NOTE:

What works for one member might not work for you.  SA strongly encourages members to be very cautious and to do their own research before trying anything new and if you do decide to try something, then to start with a very small dose to see how you react.

 

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Riseridone (dose unknown) 2010 (no approximate end, short-term use), Aspergers. Tapered. Fluxoetine 10mg 13/14. Direct switch to -- Citalopram 2014/14. Quetiapine 2014/14. 1 week. (Cold turkey, advised by NHS). 

Risperidone, 20th March 2016, cold turkey April 10th, 2016 Zoloft, April, 2016, 25mg, increased to 50mg in May, increased to 100mg in late 2016, decreased to 50mg, September 2019(Accidentally)weaned myself off. Reinstated Zoloft 50mg for 3 days - March 23rd to 26th. Early 2021 (changed brand of Zoloft. Tapered down. Med free since 11th February. Waiting to see if any windows happen). Supplements (occasionally l theanine 300mg, trialing CBD) Took a small light dab of powder, barely a compound. Deciding to wait and see what happens afterwards, not wanting to reinstate now. 

 

Took a small dose of L-Theanine (under 20mg). Negative reaction included: sweating, mania, head pressure, head tingling, worse insomnia. Not touching anything ever again. 

 

Anhedonic since March 2020!

Using a THC free edible on the 5th June ruined everything. Insomnia, no appetite, numbness, DP/DR.

 

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@Greatful oh man. I think I know the kind of cold anger you're talking about. The amount of times I've gotten the urge to yell at someone... or God Forbid pinch them... 🤢

 

Luckily I've managed to find control so they only surface as emotions and never escalated. But yikes! Why? Why does that have to happen!? 

Riseridone (dose unknown) 2010 (no approximate end, short-term use), Aspergers. Tapered. Fluxoetine 10mg 13/14. Direct switch to -- Citalopram 2014/14. Quetiapine 2014/14. 1 week. (Cold turkey, advised by NHS). 

Risperidone, 20th March 2016, cold turkey April 10th, 2016 Zoloft, April, 2016, 25mg, increased to 50mg in May, increased to 100mg in late 2016, decreased to 50mg, September 2019(Accidentally)weaned myself off. Reinstated Zoloft 50mg for 3 days - March 23rd to 26th. Early 2021 (changed brand of Zoloft. Tapered down. Med free since 11th February. Waiting to see if any windows happen). Supplements (occasionally l theanine 300mg, trialing CBD) Took a small light dab of powder, barely a compound. Deciding to wait and see what happens afterwards, not wanting to reinstate now. 

 

Took a small dose of L-Theanine (under 20mg). Negative reaction included: sweating, mania, head pressure, head tingling, worse insomnia. Not touching anything ever again. 

 

Anhedonic since March 2020!

Using a THC free edible on the 5th June ruined everything. Insomnia, no appetite, numbness, DP/DR.

 

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2 hours ago, 00ColdTurkey said:

* MOD NOTE:

What works for one member might not work for you.  SA strongly encourages members to be very cautious and to do their own research before trying anything new and if you do decide to try something, then to start with a very small dose to see how you react.

 

cannabis-marijuana-hashish-thc-cbd-cannabidiol-or-hemp-oil

 

I've added the above note to 00ColdTurkey's post about CBD.

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The advice added to my comment is important! Yes, the CBD oil cookie did work temporarily to stop my panicking. But as a result it has brought back some of my anhedonia...

 

Be cautious when trying anything out, because what may seem like a solution, may result in an unwanted result!

Riseridone (dose unknown) 2010 (no approximate end, short-term use), Aspergers. Tapered. Fluxoetine 10mg 13/14. Direct switch to -- Citalopram 2014/14. Quetiapine 2014/14. 1 week. (Cold turkey, advised by NHS). 

Risperidone, 20th March 2016, cold turkey April 10th, 2016 Zoloft, April, 2016, 25mg, increased to 50mg in May, increased to 100mg in late 2016, decreased to 50mg, September 2019(Accidentally)weaned myself off. Reinstated Zoloft 50mg for 3 days - March 23rd to 26th. Early 2021 (changed brand of Zoloft. Tapered down. Med free since 11th February. Waiting to see if any windows happen). Supplements (occasionally l theanine 300mg, trialing CBD) Took a small light dab of powder, barely a compound. Deciding to wait and see what happens afterwards, not wanting to reinstate now. 

 

Took a small dose of L-Theanine (under 20mg). Negative reaction included: sweating, mania, head pressure, head tingling, worse insomnia. Not touching anything ever again. 

 

Anhedonic since March 2020!

Using a THC free edible on the 5th June ruined everything. Insomnia, no appetite, numbness, DP/DR.

 

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