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Coopergirl1

Hello everyone. Just asking did everyone notice these neuro emotions on or off ssris?

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Coopergirl1

Same here. Thank you for answering me :)

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Coopergirl1

Please help. I am having terrible neuro emotions. Telling me to leave my wonderful boyfriend. I want it to stop. 2 months post Lexapro 20mg

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Faithbarelysurviving

 

When I get hopeless and depressed that I will never recover, I start fights with my family and sling every cruel word in the world at them, whether the words are true or not, and I'm not satisfied until I've created a storm of hatred and anger among the whole household. Never in my life have I ever done something like this, not until these medications ruined my health.

I've been doing this for 7 months.

 

Same here. I actually become very violent i totally am outside reality.....I don t know what causes it, but my brain is totally disregulated,

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LJ2015

It so wonderful to read that other people feel the same - today I really thought I had finally lost the plot - I am terrified of going to sleep because my thoughts creep up on me and catch me when I am tired and unable to fight back.  I have been having some really crazy thoughts - I have been off citalopram for nearly three months now and I must be improving a bit because as I am having these crazy thoughts a part of me is laughing at how crazy they are (I decided last night that I should leave my home and boyfriend of 12 years and move back in with my parents!!) today I told my boyfriend and we laughed at how ridiculous that was so I suppose that is progress but I am sick to death of myself and my rubbish mind - I cant believe some of the rubbish my brain is throwing at me - my biggest problem is actually functioning day to day as i have realised that I cannot trust anything my body or mind feels at the moment - wish I could sleep for 6 months!!

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GreMar

Hi there,

 

Some of you may know that RxISK has added a section focused on understanding protracted withdrawal - the intent is to discuss the possible biological mechanisms of withdrawal and devise theories of what may be wrong in the brain.  

 

There is a discussion forum here and I have added the comment below. I would encourage anyone with their thoughts about what is causing this to help provide information in understanding the complexity of withdrawal to add their thoughts. Note: it's not a forum for coping strategies, that's more the role of this message board. Rather it's goal is to focus on what is causing this in the brain. 

 

Hi,

I wanted to add an observation about a feature of withdrawal that is, for me anyway, one of the most distressing. I have only seen it specifically discussed on Surviving Antidepressants (SA) and want to make a request that this new forum bring it up and discuss the possible biological mechanics around it.

Someone in the SA forums dubbed the phenomenon “neuro emotions”. This is an oft-reported symptom from both benzo and SSRI withdrawal. In the broadest terms, it is a clearly over-exaggerated emotional response to negative thoughts, so exaggerated that one’s rational mind clearly understands there is a physical component driving it.

I’ll give an example as I’ve experienced it: the other day, I was making spaghetti sauce for dinner and accidentally opened up the wrong can of diced tomatoes. Upon realizing this, I immediately felt a profound sense of both failure and impending doom, as if this minor error represented some final failing of my self-worth and that, as a result, some horrible end will befall me. This was an instantaneous reaction to this discovery. It had a kernal of truth – as we all feel a negative response when we make mistakes – but the disproportionate cascading emotional reaction was so patently disproportionate to the actual severity of the “error” that my frontal lobes/rational self knew it could not possibly represent how I really felt about the situation.

As I experience this repeatedly, I notice that it is directly part of the brain associated with immediate reactivity. I often experience similar responses to presentation of unexpected events/change (regardless of whether they are positive or negative). I especially experience this whenever I think of something in the future that I have to remember to do – regardless of how insignificant the task. I suddenly feel like shrinking into a ball and conceding that I am unable to do this basic chore. However, re-running the thought after that reaction usually produces a less intense response. And it almost never prevents me from doing whatever task it was. As the sympathetic nervous system regulates the fight/flight response – our immediate responses to threats in our environment – the symptom must be associated with the biology of that part of our nervous system.

I believe the sympathetic nervous system has, in its natural state, “chemical sentries” that tamp down responses to non threatening changes in the environment – that enable us to distinguish between actual menace and benign change. Whatever chemical apparatus is involved with that defense mechanism is seriously jeopardized by what ever disregulation is occurring in withdrawal.

Because of the immediacy of the reaction and the way emotions can make us BELIEVE in the reality of our experiences, the demoralizing aspect of this symptom can at times be very overwhelming. Using CBT type methods of analyzing and recognizing the irrationality of the response has limited utility for me as the emotions are still coursing through my body and mind and the rationalizing thoughts do little to calm the response at first. (I’ve used CBT methods before withdrawal to an overreaction and found myself far more capable of “calming down.”)

However, the fact that it was given a name and that others on the board responded with profound identification to this symptom did help immensely – as it provided much-needed sense of validation. What could further help in enduring this psychologically traumatizing symptom, is more exploration of the brain chemistry associated with this (dis) response and ideas for what could potentially aid in mitigatig the severity of the oftentimes overwhelming immediate reaction.

Thanks for your consideration on this topic.

Sincerely,

Greg Martin

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Coopergirl1

LJ- I have been having the exact same thoughts! I want to leave and move back in with my parents and hide on their couch under the covers for about 6 months ( until this is over ) but we can't do that! That is taking the easy way out. We love ou boyfriends deep down even if our mind is telling us to leave. It is not true and our feelings are hidden by these drugs and once our brain heals we will feel again. Hang on. I am here if you need me!

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EarthFireWaterAir

This is SUCH a helpful concept. For my first 6 weeks after stopping sertraline (following a wholly inadequate taper), all my negative emotions -- anger, self-criticism, harsh judgments of others/total strangers who did something I didn't like, self-blame, seeing myself as a failure, all the painful parade -- kept occupying my mind and blocking any more balanced kind of view. Such a relief to learn these emotions are spin offs from a brain/spirit still desperately starting reorganizing itself after what I call the crash.

 

Nothing new there, but here's a thought. I've read posts from people whose nearest and dearest have behaved in ways that are hurtful to them. While it's true that we may be neuro-overreacting, and that we can't control anyone else, still, what about holding others accountable for their actions? We all deserve gentleness and understanding, especially when we!re sick and hurting. The fact that what's making us hurt isn't visible from the outside, only makes this more so, seems to me.

 

Instead of holding ourselves solely responsible for our emotional reactions when someone close to us has said or done something thoughtless, hurtful, or perhaps even cruel, what about taking a stand that we deserve better? That the people who love us (adults, that is) maybe have a responsibility to us, to themselves, and to what "love" means, to respond to pain and distress with kindness and respect for what we're dealing with? Not 100% of the time -- everyone's human -- but with a willingness and desire to learn, understand, and support. Whether the person with whom we're in the love-based relationship (marriage, partner-age, family member, friend) will undertake that joining with us is of course up to them. But if we don't say, hey, I deserve and want understanding and respect from you, and mean it, seems to me that the necessary conversation with the loved one has no place to begin.

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redangel

I am going through a morning of total rage!  My son sent me a text at 4am and I couldnt get back to sleep and it just put in in a total rage and I dont know how to stop this horrible feeling.  Sometimes it seams going off meds wasnt a smart idea because I dont much like the new me ether.  If anyone is on this thread maybe talk me down?  I dont want to take my rage out on my teen grand kids Im raising

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Nicole821

For me the neuro-emotions and apathy/detachment are going hand-in-hand. I almost feel like I have permanent PMS- if any women can relate. I have always been very optimistic, sensitive to others, kind and loving and now (3 months after stopping Lexapro) am not, at all.

 

I am irritable, I have no tolerance for anything, everything annoys me and I feel so cold towards those I love. I do things I used to enjoy and find myself mentally checked out and distant. I can feel/see myself acting this way and know it's not normal but can't do anything about it- it is so frustrating. 

 

A lot of users have discussed feeling zombie like and that's not quite how I would describe it... I still get up, enjoy getting dressed, and enjoy the idea of activities etc but once I am doing them I just can't get into it, or I fade in the middle- just like I am tired almost. As for detachment I feel NOTHING towards those I love. In my head I can create scenarios and make plans and I feel something but actually being with someone (not sexually) is completely irritating to me- like with PMS. It's def. hurting my romantic relationship (I actually don't have a problem with libido just with the emotional/relationship connection). 

 

Anyone feel anything similar? 

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Nicole821

I am going through a morning of total rage!  My son sent me a text at 4am and I couldnt get back to sleep and it just put in in a total rage and I dont know how to stop this horrible feeling.  Sometimes it seams going off meds wasnt a smart idea because I dont much like the new me ether.  If anyone is on this thread maybe talk me down?  I dont want to take my rage out on my teen grand kids Im raising

How long have you been off medication? I feel the same way- I do not like the 'new me' ... I never had any issues while taking the lexapro and now I feel like a distant B****. I am at 3 months without Lexapro. Wishing you the best! 

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Mort81

 YA Nicole I can relate not with the PMS obviously but I am way less able to be tolerant of others , small noises irratate me .I have to leave and go to a quiet room causes people annoy me.  I get angry over small things.This was never me before Lexapro or during . But WD has our whole system super sensitive and ramped up. Our abilites to handle stress of any kind is way off the norm. These neuro emotions have our systems in overdrive. One Day I have wicked Anxiety and Panic , the next week I have stomach irratation and Nausea than its Extreme weakness ..  plus messed up sleep.I mean we cant blame ourselves right now ..I know it can be tough on our families and friends but its only temporary . But holy smokes I also wish I could sleep for 6-12 months and get woken up when I feel more like myself.  

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Nicole821

YES Silver Star wouldn't that be perfect! I would totally take the option to just 'sleep it off' - I want to be in bed sleeping half the time anyway! 

Glad someone feels the same, it's like someone has taken over my body and I can't stop it. Just awful! 

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redangel

I have been off paxil for about 7 mths now.  I think my anger is caused by the am cortisol spikes and dont know how to rectify that.  i am taking the mag baths in the evening and taking a asprin before bed.  Its helping me sleep more but still waking up with a pounding heart and feelings like someone gave me a pure adrenaline shot in my brain. wish there was a cure for this!

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Nicole821

I have been off paxil for about 7 mths now.  I think my anger is caused by the am cortisol spikes and dont know how to rectify that.  i am taking the mag baths in the evening and taking a asprin before bed.  Its helping me sleep more but still waking up with a pounding heart and feelings like someone gave me a pure adrenaline shot in my brain. wish there was a cure for this!

 

Not sure about cortisol in releation to wd BUT I did have high cortisol on my last blood work and have been taking two supplements that have helped me a ton! 

Supernova Naturals - Siberian Rhodiola Rosea 500mg - 60 Vegetarian caps

 

Organic India Ashwagandha, 400 mg, Veg-Capsules, 90 Count

 

I get mine on Amazon. Best of luck! 

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manymoretodays

Have you tried AM mag baths and/or some orally?  I would suggest caution with too many additions of supplements at this tender stage.

 

I couldn't find your intro. topic redangel........possibly a small reinstatement.......I don't know........you could read on that.  Or put the question directly to the moderators on your intro. thread.  I'm sure you would get some feedback and ideas to consider.

 

I remember simply holding on.......pacing, rocking, sometimes curling up into a small ball and just waiting, waiting, until it passed.  And it doesn't happen to that degree anymore.  Oh......I tried phonecalls and such as well........even the crisis line on one occasion only to get chewed out.  And used a higher but safe amount of Trileptal, on that occasion as well.  Quickly decided that wasn't going to be the way.........later that night and into the next morning.

 

You're in a legal state too.  I mean I really did get a benefit from my herb for awhile, not without it's own side effects though.......for me anyway.  I know that there is low or no THC content stuff out there as well.....  Unfortunately or fortunately I do my best to be legal and clean right now......and that is going well enough.

 

Do you have any supports to help out.......I mean tell them whatever you think they can handle.......when you are in a better place(it sounds like morning is worse?) and if at all possible give yourself a break.  Even if only briefly......that may help too.

 

........not sure how or why you tapered..........not enough information really that I could find today........

 

It does get better.

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redangel

Im afraid of supplements right now.  I've tried sam e and 5htp and had bad reactions to both.  I've been 7 mths off Paxil now and would hate to re instate, have to maybe go through a lot the 2nd time around.  ive tried being off meds a couple times before and always got back on.  I did take this am  a mag supplement but not sure if it helped.  And I so wish I had some energy!  I also have fibro and chronic fatigue syndrome and that's not helping at all with the withdrawals.   The fibro is what cause me to get back on them, my doc assured me that cymbalta would help the fibro pain,  When it didn't after a couple years they switched to Paxil which was way worse.  Now a days, Id just like to curl up in a ball and do nothing but read or watch tv!  Or go visit one of my adult children, but cannot afford that. My sons are very supportive of me not being on drugs.  My drug habits is why they refuse to go to doctors, even when they need to.

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manymoretodays

The medications you mean.......that you were prescribed?  And bought into for some time.......??  Possibly, possibly not, you may have fibro and CFS.........hope that you can take some time and read soon.......not only here but elsewhere and draw your own conclusions.  Perhaps you already have.

 

I do believe that many of the originally psych drugs can actually lead to other drug problems.  And other medical diagnoses.   So ironic......so much of this.

 

I also don't believe that 1. other substance use and 2. being prescribed and then becoming dependent on many of the medications.........is the same thing exactly.  I don't really feel able to tease that all out for you, in words, right now........

 

Hang in there in any case.

 

And I encourage you to start an intro. topic for yourself, if not already done.  Go to: Read This First.  On the main page, right at the top, if you want to figure out how to do this......like I said, if not already done.........could be just me.....not finding it today....... :)

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redangel

I did start a topic about myself.  But with meds, both the prescribed ones and the sam e, 5htp, I have bad reactions to all.  Is why I was on so many different physc meds, one would react bad so they put me on another.  And yes, sometimes I believe that fibro and cfs were caused by the physc meds maybe. And yes, it has been the prescribed drugs for depression that turned my sons off docs.  Cause they were there and saw me change from a loving mom to someone they really didn't know anymore.  One of my sons said he wont go to a doc cause even if nothing is wrong, they will find something wrong any way just keep a patient and prescribe some meds.  I just got out of my meeting with my therapist.  She said there are people like me that cannot put anything into their system without bad reactions.  Even had bad side effects of the meds heart doc put me on for irregular heart beat.  She calls us sensitives, cause our systems are very sensitive.  She thinks its cause I have lots of allergies that makes me so sensitive.  I think maybe God just made me that way. And thanks ya'll for the encouragement!  Helps keep me from feeling so alone in this. But I am trying coconut oil, I already use it for my skin. And vitamin c.

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redangel

Oh and I tapered for a 6 mth period.  I know that is not long enough now but dont want to go back on to do a slower taper because its been 7 mths now and afraid if I go back on paxil Ill never get the courage to stop again.  

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manymoretodays

Okay.....lol......I need to check How to Use this Forum again myself then.......to find your intro.

 

Yes, neuro emotions are tough buggers.  I have people say to me sometimes......oh I wish I could cry......... but when it comes to the irritable/crabby/critical brain or cortisol stuff.........best for me to spend the day in the closet or something..........I mean it usually doesn't last all day for me..... and I can forget about it on days when it is gone.........but it is so tough to mask it........thankful it is improved........

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Coopergirl1

Hi guys sorry to bother..been tapering off and now having violent disturbing thoughts. Although I would never hurt anyone or myself I feel like these thoughts are so real. Has anyone else experience this? Please help

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starcontrol2

Hi guys sorry to bother..been tapering off and now having violent disturbing thoughts. Although I would never hurt anyone or myself I feel like these thoughts are so real. Has anyone else experience this? Please help

Hi coopergirl1,

 

Probably one of the most disturbing symptoms. First time it really scared me but it did subside. I feel it every now and then but I try not to let it scare me as much. I have seen people write that many times, you are definitely not alone or unique in this.

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Coopergirl1

Starcontrol..I can't thank you enough for your reply. You really have seen others say the same thing?

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RockSie

Coopergirl, these feelings and emotions (become sucidal and violent) are my main symptoms for a very long time! U are not the only one. Many others in wd telling the same!

It's very common in wd!

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Coopergirl1

Really?? I appreciate your response. Before this I was a normal person now I feel so weird as I taper off..it can only get better. I know the real me would never act on these thoughts but they are so scary real!!

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RockSie

I know it so good! The realness of this thoughts and especially this emotions is so scary and horrifying!

For me it was like a deep knowledge that this is the truth! I can tell u it's definitely not!!!

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Coopergirl1

Rocksie- how are you doing now? I am grateful for your post. It is real feeling..I am at work right now and my boyfriend has to work tonight..i like dont want to be home alone as i dont know what ill do....this is so scary! Any advice on how to distract? I was taking little bits of xanax but i dont want to become addicted so i replaced with benadryl..can i just sleep til this is over? Lol

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starcontrol2

There is a post here somewhere that describes it very well and in good detail.

They will go away, but how to deal in meantime...

Also, if you look at dr Glenmullens withdrawal checklist it is right there.

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Coopergirl1

Starcontrol- I am going through every single page lol. This may sound crazy but there was a police officer in my town who went crazy and shot her ex girlfriend ( crazy stuff ) & go figure after i see that article on facebook is when i started having these crazy thoughts..they have to coincide right? ( I have a hard time hurting a spider in my bathroom ) how could i be having these type of thoughts?

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starcontrol2

Coopergirl1, it may not have been this thread but trust me plenty of people experience this, it totally sucks but it will lessen and then go away. Do you still have thoughts about leaving your finance?

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Coopergirl1

I do! But then i will find myself loving him again and then my mind will say NO. I know this has to be neuro emotion

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Theon

I didn't know I had this, but now that I recall my mental state of last summer, i see that I definitely had this. I had intrusive thoughts of jumping out of a window, of biting my arm and eating it (weird, I know), of doing sexual stuff with old people or children (very messed up...),

 

Those intrusive thoughts didn't scare me because I was so emotionally flat that nothing scared me, but it scared me that I was not scared by them. Like, I was emotionally flat so i couldn't feel the feeling of fear, but I rationally knew how messed up those thoughts were and it rationally scared me, (I dont know if I am making any sense).

 

So I was having horrible intrusive thoughts of being a monster, and I couldn't even feel they were wrong because I was completely emotionally flat, so that made try to feel something, and the only thing that I could feel was anger towards those thoughts , and I used to start punching walls and throwing things to the floor. There was a time when I used to punch myself in the head whenever I had those thoughts, and that was about everyday. That's how I spent the whole last summer.

 

Weirdly I didn't have the insight to know why I was so angry at that time, I am now getting some insight back, and I am starting to understand some things..

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Coopergirl1

Theon-you are making complete sense. I just told my boyfriend it is weird to me that I cant feel these thoughts are wrong even though i know they are. I told him I feel like Jeckel & Hyde......SCARY. I am hoping it will fade..these thoughts seem so real at the time.

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