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divegrl

Hello!!!

 

Just posting a quick update! Still doing well at this dose.... 37.5. I'm giving myself a bit of time here to stabilize as my taper has been so fast up until this point. 

 

I'm experiencing food cravings! Trying to eat as healthy as I can. A ton of vegetables, healthy fats and proteins!!!

 

My next cut will be to 28.75, but that won't be for a while. Probably not for at least another 30 days. 

 

Take care everyone!!

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scallywag

Hey divegrl, remind us of your thinking about making a larger than SA-suggested decrease.  10% from 37.5 would take you to 33.57; 28.75 is a decrease of almost 25% from your current dose.

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divegrl

Hello!!!

 

Thank you for your response! Well I'm currently on 1/2 a 75 mg Wellbutrin IR pill. My plan is to cut by eighths and hold for a very long time. So the next cut will be to 3/8 which is 28.125. 

 

Yes! I know this is a big cut and thank you so much for your advice! The small cuts and measuring them have caused me stress. I would rather make big cuts and hold them longer. I know this is not recommended!

 

Im still holding at 37.5. My plan was to stay here for 60 days. 

 

Thank you moderators for your continued support!!!!  

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scallywag

Cool.  Thanks for explaining that you're making larger decreases while holding for longer.  Good to read that it's working for you.

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divegrl

Hi!

 

I just thought I would stop by with a quick update.  I am still at 37.5, waiting a couple more weeks to make the cut as I've been traveling for the summer.  

 

I've been doing a lot of research, and came upon an article about the devastating effects birth control has on women. I then started researching the effects of the copper iud, as this was the method I used.  For years I have been exhausted, I mean completely dead tired, for about 7-10 before my menstrual cycle.  The doctors all thought it was depression or pmdd.  They all wanted to put me on a stronger antidepressant.  I'm so glad I declined!

 

I've read story after story of the incapacitating effects of the copper iud in women.  Women describing symptoms just like me! I went back to look at my personal history.  I was prescribed Wellbutrin 4 months after my copper iud was placed!  It's been many years, but I am pretty confident that my symptoms of depression were due to my copper iud.  

 

My iud has now been removed and I am already feeling substantially better! I am more confident now then ever, that tapering off this medication is the right choice. It has given me a renewed energy to continue to taper.  

 

Thank you again everyone for your continued support.  :)

 

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divegrl

Hi!!

 

Today I make the cut to 28.125.  Taking a 75mg IR pill, cutting into eighths. Then taking 1/8 pill 3 times per day. 

 

After my long hold, I am experiencing no withdrawal symptoms.  I plan to hold here for at least 30 days.  

 

Ummmm, ok, nothing else to write!  Have a beautiful day!! :P

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divegrl

Hi!!

 

I have an actual question...I am going to have a filling done in 2 weeks.  I told the dentist I was nervous about drills.  She prescribed me Valium for the procedure.  I am very unsure about taking it. 

 

Although I am nervous about the dental procedure, I am even more nervous about taking Valium during my taper.  I am afraid it will throw my CNS out of line. Has anyone had any experience with this? Will this one time Valium does be ok?  I hate to be set back.  

 

Thanks so much!!!!

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ChessieCat

I think it's six of one, half a dozen of the other.  Being stressed about the procedure can knock the CNS around as can taking the valium.

 

You say she has prescribed.  Does that mean that she wants you to take it leading up to the procedure or only for the procedure?  If it were me I wouldn't be taking more than 1 dose just for the procedure and I would consider taking less than what she has suggested.

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divegrl

Hi!!

 

Thank you for your reply.  The prescription is for a one time dose to be taken right before the procedure.  

 

At this point I am hoping not to get the prescription filled and use other coping techniques.  :D

 

For journal purposes: This cut I experienced the following symptoms: anxiety, irritability, fatigue, indifference, tummy upset and food cravings.  Oh and vivid dreams.  All symptoms I've had before.  I've now been at this dose a full week and feel much improved.  Don't worry, I will be holding here for longer! 

 

Coping that has helped: Yoga, healthy eating (bone broth and green juice, yay!), chanting, meditation, mindful awareness and pranayama.  Oh and Epson salt baths! 

 

Have a beautiful day!!!!

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divegrl

Hi!

 

I can no longer make accurate cuts with a pill cutter alone.  I tried a liquid solution and that did not work for me.

 

I would like to purchase a scale to measure the smaller doses.  Is there a scale that this forum recommends?

 

Thank you so much for your help. 

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divegrl

I've come to the conclusion that in order to successfully complete this taper, I will need to focus on my nutrition.  Thru trial and error, I have found that my diet directly impacts the severity and length of my withdrawal symptoms.  If I am having a particularly tough day, I can go back and look at what I ate, and see how panic attacks, anxiety, anger and frustration are first preceded by ice cream, toast, crumbles and basically anything or everything with sugar or gluten.  

 

And days where I feel calm, grounded, supported and healed.... are preceded by bone broth, grass fed butter, coconut oils, omega 3s, grass fed eggs, proteins, green juice and vegetables.  

 

I need to take full responsibility.  This is my body, my health, my healing process. 

 

Peace to you my friends!!!

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ChessieCat

It could actually be the opposite and the sugar intake is caused by an increase in cortisol.

 

I read this a couple of days ago.

 

From  www.enkiverywell.com/high-cortisol-levels.html

 

High cortisol levels are closely linked to excessive eating, a high craving for sugary and fatty foods

 

From:  www.healthdirect.gov.au/the-role-of-cortisol-in-the-body

 

When released into the bloodstream, cortisol can act on many different parts of the body and can:

  • increase your body’s metabolism of glucose

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divegrl

Hi!!!

 

Our bodies have the amazing ability to tell us exactly what they need! I listen to what my body is telling me and trust my body and mind know exactly how to heal.  This is not based on any study, large data set, clinical trial.  Its based on my own personal human experience that is unique to me!!!!

 

I have been eating an extremely high fat diet.  Avocados, bone both, grass fed butter.  And I feel a million times better.  

 

I got my scale yesterday!!!  The scale verified what I already knew..... my doses had an extreme amount of variability.  I am so thankful I now have a scale so I can get more accurate measurements.  It is so hard to weigh the medicine down to a milligram!!!  But I'm doing the best I can!! I have taken 2 doses now that are measured with the scale, and just feel much more confident!

 

Very thankful for this community.  :wub:

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On 9/9/2017 at 10:17 AM, divegrl said:

Hi!!!

 

Our bodies have the amazing ability to tell us exactly what they need! I listen to what my body is telling me and trust my body and mind know exactly how to heal.  This is not based on any study, large data set, clinical trial.  Its based on my own personal human experience that is unique to me!!!!

 

I have been eating an extremely high fat diet.  Avocados, bone both, grass fed butter.  And I feel a million times better.  

 

I got my scale yesterday!!!  The scale verified what I already knew..... my doses had an extreme amount of variability.  I am so thankful I now have a scale so I can get more accurate measurements.  It is so hard to weigh the medicine down to a milligram!!!  But I'm doing the best I can!! I have taken 2 doses now that are measured with the scale, and just feel much more confident!

 

Very thankful for this community.  :wub:

Hi Divgrl,

 

I read all the way through your intro forum and I was so encouraged that I'm not alone in what I've experienced from withdrawal from Wellbutrin. I started my taper in July and I ended it in August by skipping doses (a terrible way to taper), but my doctor had prescribed me to sustained release after I had an awful experience the first time I tried quitting. I've been totally off of Wellbutrin for 5 and half weeks and I'm still struggling pretty bad with memory/concentration issues and insomnia. Are you having difficulties with brain fog and being able to concentrate? I'm also taking fish oil and vitamin B-12 as well as a daily probiotic. Hopefully I will start seeing some improvement soon. I feel like 5 weeks is a long time to go without seeing some sort of improvement in concentration/memory. But I know that the taper that I did was WAY too fast, and I kind of put myself in this situation. I just want to know if you had memory/concentrations in the beginning of your taper, and if so have you seen any improvements in your symptoms?

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divegrl

Hi

 

Thanks for stopping by! My main withdrawal symptom is anxiety.  Some brain fog, but not much.  

 

Cleaning up my diet has made a HUGE difference in my withdrawal symptoms.  I am basically following the Whole30 plan for nutrition, and I have seen a huge improvement.  As Hippocrates says, "Let thy food be thy medicine, and thy medicine be thy food".

 

Good luck!

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divegrl

Hello!

 

A bit of bouncing around this week.  Change is challenging... but just another way to learn to let things go!

 

So as I am cutting into smaller doses... I realize I should just be removing the outside coating of the pill.  I was taking this before, but I think its messing up my weights.  I've started taking the medication 4 times per day.  So trying to get an accurate dose.  

 

I've been referred to a medical provider who supposedly uses nutrition and lifestyle methods to help people off of meds.  I have not met with him... but I have promise that this doctor might understand what I'm going thru.  

 

I just ordered some hydrolyzed collagen... its supposed to calm the nervous system... We will see!  

 

I am very thankful for this community.... and each one of the members.  I feel very validated in my experience.  Many blessings my friends.  

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divegrl

Having a tough time.  Vivid dreams and neuro emotions.  

 

My body is healing..................... slowly.

 

 

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divegrl

Better days.  Starting taking turmeric and I feel much better.  Not sure if its because of the  turmeric.... but Ive now added this to my daily routine.  

 

So thankful for the good days..... I am healed. 

 

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divegrl

Feeling good.  A bit of neuro emotions.  

 

Made a cut today to 22.4mg.  

 

Started hypnosis.  Feel like its working? 

 

Today I am thankful for the air that fills my lungs.  I am thankful for my beautiful girls and their laugh.  I am thankful for smiles and happiness.  I can be still and know that God has healed me, He is providing protection and guidance.  

 

Peace to you my friends.  

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divegrl

Lots of neuro emotions.....

 

I upped my nutritional fat content like crazy.  Drinking straight avocado oil.  Eating duck eggs.  A high fat diet is really helping me.  :)

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baroquep

divegrl, dropped in to say hello and couldn't help but notice that you are tapering quite a bit faster than is recommended by Surviving Antidepressants and am a little concerned that if you continue to decrease every four days, you are going to run into trouble.  It takes approximately four days for the central nervous system to register a change, and changes so close together can have a cumulative effect.  It's possible for even very small reductions to have a cumulative effect over time and to get ahead of our brain's ability to heal. It's hard to gauge; we have to listen carefully to our bodies.  If I were you, I would hold for a while just to be on the safe side.  

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divegrl

Thank you for your response.  

 

I'm very thankful for this forum.  Everyone in my life, my doctors, therapists, counselors, and family think I should have been able to be off this medication by now.  They say my symptoms are due to the depression... which is why I need the meds.  

 

This forum has made me feel validated in all the symptoms I am going thru due to withdrawal.  Yes, I am holding here a bit longer.  Its very hard to have the patience to taper slowly... but I'm doing my best.  

 

Again forever thankful for this forum.  

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divegrl

Hi!!!!

 

Just some thoughts..... I have been working on my "triggers".  People or situations that lead to emotional spirals. I've identified the following triggers for myself:

 

1. There is someone in my life, who although they are an amazing person, does not treat me with respect.  I've invested so much energy into this person... only to get hurt over and over.  I have finally had the courage to let them go.  I feel lighter, more free.  I feel like I can breathe.  

2. I have a strict bedtime of 9pm.  I will not be asleep by 9, but I need to protect this space for meditation and self reflection.  Time just for me to do energy healing, body scans or yoga nidra. 

3. Being in a rush.  I schedule my days so I have plenty of time to get from one activity to the next.  Taking my time, allowing myself to be in the present moment during the day.  

 

I feel much more grounded, calmer and at peace.  Peace to you my friends.  

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divegrl

I had my appointment with my doctor who specializes in tapering psych drugs.  My doctor's words......

 

"In the 9 years I've been practicing, I have never had a patient have an issue coming off Wellbutrin.  All my patients have been fine doing a CT or an 8 week tapering schedule.  At 20mg, you should be able to quit now. The dose that you're on is not a therapeutic dose."

 

This doctors acknowledged that certain medications like Paxil and Ativan were extremely difficult to come of off.  But Wellbutrin is not one of those medications.  

 

I am experiencing cognitive dissonance; trying to understand what my Doctor is telling me versus what I've read here on SA.  

 

Thank you very much for reading. 

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Altostrata

Everybody is wrong sometimes. This is a blind spot for your doctor.

 

In short, your doctor is wrong.  The "therapeutic dose" concept is invalid when applied to tapering; a dose doesn't have to be "therapeutic" (theoretically effective for "depression") to forestall withdrawal. This makes me wonder about "specializes in tapering psych drugs"?

 

Next time you see your doctor, you can tell him or her "now you know, people can have difficulty coming off Wellbutrin."

 

Go off at the rate that's comfortable for you.

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divegrl
2 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Everybody is wrong sometimes. This is a blind spot for your doctor.

 

In short, your doctor is wrong.  The "therapeutic dose" concept is invalid when applied to tapering; a dose doesn't have to be "therapeutic" (theoretically effective for "depression") to forestall withdrawal. This makes me wonder about "specializes in tapering psych drugs"?

 

Next time you see your doctor, you can tell him or her "now you know, people can have difficulty coming off Wellbutrin."

 

Go off at the rate that's comfortable for you.

 

Hi Altostrata

 

Thank you so much for your reply.  I was feeling a bit upset after the appointment... but your words have comforted me a great deal.  I will continue to listen to my body, and taper at a rate that is appropriate for me.  

 

Thank you so much my friend.  

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Hey Divegirl, thanks for stopping by my page. Its comforting to know that I'm not the only one struggling with the anxiety of coming off wellbutrin. I'm glad youve found that diet helps you, I should really clean up mine and start taking omega 3s again. Also, I was very nervous about switching to liquid doses, but it actually isnt too bad. It took me a long time to wrap my head around it, but it was worth it, for me.

 

I wish you well with your taper.

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divegrl

Waves of pain washing over me today.  I've had this pain for as long as I can remember.  The fear, isolation, feeling of being alone.  

 

I know these waves and this grief is not me.  I am whole and complete.  I am love and I am loved.  

 

And so I sit.... I sit with the pain.  I do not give an identity to it or make a story out of the emotions.  I just sit and feel.  And breathe.  

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Marmot

Hey Divegrl,

 

How have you been since that last post? It sounds like you have built up a great set of feel-good tools. I hope they helped.

 

I've figured out too, in a long and windy way, that eating more fat, and cutting out sugar and processed foods also makes my life better. I read your experience with the IR preparation of Wellbutrin causing side effects when you made the switch. Did that get better over time?

 

Cheers,

Marmot

 

 

 

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divegrl

Hi!

 

Yes a lots of fats in our nutrition definitely does help.  I've seen it written so many times before, but bone broth has been wonderful.  Reducing symptoms of anxiety and depression.  

 

I gave up on making the IR liquid solution.  I bought a scale and just made cuts and weighed the amounts on the scale.  

 

I hope everyone is doing well today.  Many blessings. 

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On 8/11/2017 at 2:30 PM, divegrl said:

Hi!

 

I just thought I would stop by with a quick update.  I am still at 37.5, waiting a couple more weeks to make the cut as I've been traveling for the summer.  

 

I've been doing a lot of research, and came upon an article about the devastating effects birth control has on women. I then started researching the effects of the copper iud, as this was the method I used.  For years I have been exhausted, I mean completely dead tired, for about 7-10 before my menstrual cycle.  The doctors all thought it was depression or pmdd.  They all wanted to put me on a stronger antidepressant.  I'm so glad I declined!

 

I've read story after story of the incapacitating effects of the copper iud in women.  Women describing symptoms just like me! I went back to look at my personal history.  I was prescribed Wellbutrin 4 months after my copper iud was placed!  It's been many years, but I am pretty confident that my symptoms of depression were due to my copper iud.  

 

My iud has now been removed and I am already feeling substantially better! I am more confident now then ever, that tapering off this medication is the right choice. It has given me a renewed energy to continue to taper.  

 

Thank you again everyone for your continued support.  :)

 

Hi Divegrl,

 

I hope you are doing well since completing your taper!

 

I was curious about how it went when you had your IUD removed. You mentioned that you though that it might have been causing some feelings of exhaustion and that it might have been responsible for the depression that caused you to take Wellbutrin in the first place, and I'm suspicious that mine might be doing the same. I'm going to have it removed in a couple of weeks, but I wanted to ask you if you experienced a wave after taking it out. I C/T Wellbutrin a year ago, and I've been having depression, insomnia and anxiety since then, so I'm hoping that my waves will get less intense after I take out my IUD. 

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Marmot

How are you doing off of the wellbutrin divegrl?

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