Mentor ang Posted March 17, 2015 Mentor Share Posted March 17, 2015 Peter C Gotzsche 'Deadly medicines and organised crime How big pharma has corrupted healthcare' (New York :Radcliff publishing, 2013) Gotzsche is a world leader in critquing clinic studies. 22 chapters with 2 chapters on psychiatric drugs. He doesn't hold back he has a lot of damning words to say about pharma. His telling of the commercialization of prozac reveals a truly sickening story. http://www.radcliffehealth.com/sites/radcliffehealth.com/files/samplechapter/gotzsche_chpt18.pdf go to this link for a free chapter....... Chapter 18... a great read. 1992 Dothiepin 375mg 8 weeks, exhaustion/depression. Serotonin syndrome, oh yes! seizures . Fell pregnant, 3rd baby, Nitrous Oxide, 3 weeks mental hospital pp psychosis. zoloft tegretol. Feb 1996 ct tegretol, tapered Zoloft 8 weeks. as (unexpectedly) pregnant. Steven died after 3 days.(Zolft HLHS baby). 98 had run in with Paxil, 2 tablets, 3 weeks taper, survived.2005..menopause? exhausted again. Zyprexa, mad in three days, fallout.... Seroquel, Effexor, tegretol, and 8 years of self destruction. Failed taper.Damn 1/4 valium... nuts again! .fallout, zoloft 100mg seroquol 400mg mirtazapine 45 mg tegretol 400mg. Mid 14 3 month taper. Nov 14 CRASH.Mid 15 .... 75mg seroquel, 3 x 1800mg SJW 2 week window end of December followed by 6 week wave5/2 68mg seroquel, 2.5 x 1800mg SJW::::20/2 61mg seroquel, 2.5 x SJW::: 26/2 54mg seroquel, 2 x SJW::::21/3 43mg seroquel, 1 x 2700SJW :::: 23/4 36mg seroquel 1 x 1800 SJW15/5 33mg seroquel, 1 x SJW:::: 28/5 30mg seroquel, 1 x SJW::::; 18/6 25mg seroquel 1/2 SJW::::, 11/7 21mg seroquel 1/2 SJW::, 26/7 18mg seroquel 1/2 SJW:::, 9/8 12mg seroquel :::, 16/8 6mg seroquel ;;;;, 12/9 0 jump. 23/9 3mg....., 27/9 0mg. Reinstated, 6mg, then 12mg............. LIGHTBULB MOMENT, I have MTHFR 2x mutations. CFS and issues with MOULD in my home. So I left home, and working 150km away during week, loving it. Oh was hard, panic attacks first week, gone now, along with the mould issues. Link to post Share on other sites
Meimeiquest Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I think The Adrenal Reset Diet is the best book I've read on managing cortisol/stress hormone problems. It is about much more than a diet. And he acknowledges that adrenal issues start in the brain. It is a fairly simply written book and diet.For people with an underlying chronic disease that affects their recovery, my vote is for The Wahls Protocol by Wahls. Her illness is MS, but the principles are widely applicable.Still reading on chronic fatigue syndrome.... 1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms. Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12 Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13 Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15 11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble) 9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol 7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol 56 years old Link to post Share on other sites
btdt Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Heres a book i have been slowly reading lately .. Peter C Gotzsche 'Deadly medicines and organised crime How big pharma has corrupted healthcare' (New York :Radcliff publishing, 2013) Gotzsche is a world leader in critquing clinic studies. 22 chapters with 2 chapters on psychiatric drugs. He doesn't hold back he has a lot of damning words to say about pharma. His telling of the commercialization of prozac reveals a truly sickening story. http://www.radcliffehealth.com/sites/radcliffehealth.com/files/samplechapter/gotzsche_chpt18.pdf go to this link for a free chapter....... Chapter 18... a great read. "THE BOTTOM LINE OF PSYCHOTROPIC DRUGS How come we have allowed drug companies to lie so much, commit habitual crime and kill hundreds of thousands of patients, and yet we do nothing? Why don’t we put those responsible in jail? Why are many people still against allowing citizens to get access to all the raw data from all clinical trials and why are they against scrapping the whole system and only allow publicly employed academics to test drugs in patients, independently of the drug industry? Pushing children into suicide with happy pills above... people write books we read them nothing changes. Why indeed I notice he does not answer the question. I can't read it all just now eyes are acting badly but I skimmed it and did not see "anything new under the sun" it is all old stuff we have known for years. The paxil 329 study... was the perfect reason to launch a change yet non happened. I have little hope... but then again I am jaded. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONGHad a car accident in 85Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which yearWas not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to post Share on other sites
btdt Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I think The Adrenal Reset Diet is the best book I've read on managing cortisol/stress hormone problems. It is about much more than a diet. And he acknowledges that adrenal issues start in the brain. It is a fairly simply written book and diet. For people with an underlying chronic disease that affects their recovery, my vote is for The Wahls Protocol by Wahls. Her illness is MS, but the principles are widely applicable. Still reading on chronic fatigue syndrome.... I watched Terry Wahls video on Teds years ago and used part of it to change my diet and life I would say I incorporated her ideas with another book on healing the liver they were not in contradiction. I did find I had good results while it lasted. Being hurt in the car accident meant I could not longer shop and cook like I did then... still have not gained back all it takes to pull it off. I do however recommend it if you up to it as it does take a lot of work and thought. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONGHad a car accident in 85Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which yearWas not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to post Share on other sites
UnfoldingSky Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Don't know if this one will be any good as it's not yet released, however in theory it sounds excellent... The Myth of the Brain Chemical Imbalance by Dr. Terry Lynch http://www.recoveryourmentalhealth.com/my-next-book-depression-delusion-volume-one-the-myth-of-the-brain-chemical-imbalance-publication-date-02-sept-2015/ Love the book cover... I am not a medical professional and nothing I say is a medical opinion or meant to be medical advice, please seek a competent and trusted medical professional to consult for all medical decisions. Link to post Share on other sites
anonymous4317 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Don't know if this one will be any good as it's not yet released, however in theory it sounds excellent... The Myth of the Brain Chemical Imbalance by Dr. Terry Lynch ... Looks like it was released. Has anyone here read it? Link to post Share on other sites
nz11 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Anyone read the new book called 'The pill that steals lives' .? https://www.amazon.com/Pill-That-Steals-Lives-Antidepressants/dp/1786061333 It sounds a bit scary to me. nz11 Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to post Share on other sites
nz11 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Don't know if this one will be any good as it's not yet released, however in theory it sounds excellent... The Myth of the Brain Chemical Imbalance by Dr. Terry Lynch ... Looks like it was released. Has anyone here read it? Yes i have . I appreciated being able to read this book and i recommend it. Heres an interesting thing Lynch wrote of: Lynch read through a heap of medical biochemistry textbooks at the medical school. He identified plenty of evidence of the abnormal biochemistry of diabetes but no evidence whatsoever of scientifically verifed chemical abnormalities in depression. These textbooks had little or no vested interest in maintaining psychiatrys dominant position in mental health or in prioritizing allegiance to their psychiatrist colleagues above truth. Textbooks on the basic medical sciences such as biochemistry are particularly objective in this regard. In reading this book i learnt what a false dilemma logical fallacy was. It is jam packed with great quotes. Adolf Hitlers propaganda officer Joseph Goebbels said in 1939 "Tell a lie a hundred times and it becomes the truth" Psychiatrist Meerloo wrote in 1949, "a lie repeated 10 times becomes believable and one repeated a 100 times exerts a hypnotic effect." pg 293. The law of the instrument Maslow 1964, "I call it the law of the instrument and it clearly may be formulated as follows ; give a small boy a hammer and he will find that everything he encounters needs pounding." In 1966 Maslow wrote "I suppose it is tempting , if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail" Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to post Share on other sites
nz11 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Well i had Glenmullen's book 'antidepressant solution 'on my shelf for about 2 yrs now and only started reading it today. i guess its just been sitting there cos i thought oh it will just be the same old stuff i have read before. Well i really rec this book. As usual i am turning it into another heavily highlighted book. Im now half way through it. Yes there are a lot of things i have read before but that is totally ok to be reminded again. However im finding some gold im reading some things i had never heard before and will be useful to know so im finding it very informative. Too bad about the unfortunate title though. Sadly Glenmullen like Healy says he prescribes ssris. Gee i really feel disappointed when i read of those admissions. That's why i put Breggin at the number one spot on my heroes list and number two is Brogan. Both these people say 'I don't prescribe'. I wonder if Lucire prescribes? Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to post Share on other sites
Happy2Heal Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 here are some books I've ordered (second hand copies of) The reviews look good, I'll let you know what I think after I read them Bouncing Back: Rewiring your brain for maximum resilience and wellbeing by Linda Graham Hardwiring Happiness: The new brain science of contentment, calm and confidence by Rick Hanson Buddha's Brain by Rick Hanson pysch med history: 1974 @ age 18 to Oct 2017 (approx 43 yrs total) Drug list: stelazine, haldol, elavil, lithium, zoloft, celexa, lexapro(doses as high as 40mgs), klonopin, ambien, seroquel(high doses), depakote, zyprexa, lamictal- plus brief trials of dozens of other psych meds over the years started lexapro 2002, dose varied from 20mgs to 40mgs. I tried to get off it several times. WD symptoms were mistaken for "relapse". 2013 too fast taper down to 5mg but WD forced me back to 20mgs June of 2105, tapered again too rapidly to 2.5mgs by Dec 2015. Found SA, held at 2.5 mgs til May 2016 when I foolishly "jumped off". Crashed in Sept, reinstated at 0.3mgs in Oct. 2106 Tapered off to zero by Oct. 2017 Doing very well Nov. 2018 feel 95% healed, current age 63 Jan. 2020 feel 100% healed, peaceful and content Nov. 2020, loving life ❤️ Link to post Share on other sites
Cipramillion Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) I highly recommend this book, The Sedated Society: The Causes and Harms of our Psychiatric Drug Epidemic https://www.amazon.com/Sedated-Society-Causes-Psychiatric-Epidemic/dp/3319449109 Can also be bought as an e-book from Springer. Edited May 9, 2017 by scallywag added book title <p>Sept 2015: 5 mg Cipralex for 3 weeks. Lots of side effects. Reduced to 2.5 mg for 2 weeks. Experiencing withdrawal and side effects still after dose reduction. Quit after almost 4 weeks on 2.5 mg because of adverse effects. Experiencing withdrawal symptoms still. Reinstating 1mg after 3 weeks. Reduced to 0.50 after 2 days due to sensitive reaction (dysautonomia) and trip to ER. January 2016: After 14 months of tapering from 0.5 mg im now down to 0.08mg. Planing on one more drop before 4-8 weeks healing, then jump to zero. 14.03.17: Lexapro free! Link to post Share on other sites
UnfoldingSky Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 I haven't read the full thread so maybe this is here, though I doubt it...Anyone read this tome? Drug-Induced Dysfunction In Psychiatry by Matcheri S. Keshavan Seems it's probably a textbook and shockingly there aren't any reviews on Amazon... It's from the nineties, so it would be interesting to know what they knew about in the early days of SSRIs and were teaching in schools. I am not a medical professional and nothing I say is a medical opinion or meant to be medical advice, please seek a competent and trusted medical professional to consult for all medical decisions. Link to post Share on other sites
UnfoldingSky Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 I just realized you can preview parts of it, and it doesn't seem like they cover SSRIs/SNRIs. However there are whole passages on akathisia, TD, drug-induced psychosis, sexual dysfunction, etc... and other drug effects from other classes of drugs, early ADs, lithium, antipsychotics, benzos...So it could prove useful to anyone who wants to learn about these other topics. I am not a medical professional and nothing I say is a medical opinion or meant to be medical advice, please seek a competent and trusted medical professional to consult for all medical decisions. Link to post Share on other sites
nz11 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 On 3/18/2017 at 10:25 PM, Cipramillion said: I highly recommend this book, The Sedated Society: The Causes and Harms of our Psychiatric Drug Epidemic https://www.amazon.com/Sedated-Society-Causes-Psychiatric-Epidemic/dp/3319449109 Can also be bought as an e-book from Springer. Cipramiilion any choice quotes from the book you want to share. I think I might go to the library to see if they have this book. Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to post Share on other sites
nz11 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 On 7/17/2016 at 2:38 PM, nz11 said: Anyone read the new book called 'The pill that steals lives' .? https://www.amazon.com/Pill-That-Steals-Lives-Antidepressants/dp/1786061333 It sounds a bit scary to me. nz11 I'm now on page 96 she writes well. I'm posting here to keep myself accountable to finish this in the next month! eek page 92 "They take me off the drugs...........in the middle of the night I ring my brother David. I'm screaming in agony. He tries to calm me down but neither he nor I understand that now my mind and body are going through indescribable agony from going CT ....." Can anyone relate to this? I know I sure can. I didn't ring my brother I rang my father and it was 1am! Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to post Share on other sites
Nevertoolate Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 I was recently given a book called Rethinking Depression by Eric Maisel If you want to be given a whole new slant on the very existence of there even being such a medical condition and the role the Pharmaceutical industry has had in it it's a very interesting read. I found the very first couple of chapters extremely revealing almost light bulb moments. I'd love to know if anyone else has read it and what you're thoughts are. Lexapro 10MG Almost continually for 25 odd years Reduced to 5MG beginning July 2018- end August 2018 August 2018 til now off completely Link to post Share on other sites
Oliver1974 Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 (edited) I highly recommend the following book : Complex PTSD From Surviving to Thriving by Pete Walker. Don’t worry if you think or if you don’t think you have CPTSD, Trust me, it’s very relevant to so many of us here . Edited April 8, 2019 by ChessieCat reduced font 2 May 2018- 75 mg Zoloft - 75 mg Trazadone - 0.75 mg Xanax March 2019- 75 mg Zoloft- 2 mg / 1 ml liquid Diazepam August 2019 - ended diazepam taper - 75 mg Zoloft My intro thread: Oliver1974: sertraline / Zoloft tapering My benzo thread: Oliver1974: Benzo withdrawal and backache Link to post Share on other sites
Mentor ShiningLight Posted April 25, 2019 Mentor Share Posted April 25, 2019 The Myth of Mental Illness by Thomas Szasz Now: Gabapentin 12 mg 4x/day =48 mg, 150 mg Zoloft am since 2004, 50 mg Trazodone bedtime. Daily drug burden decreased from 2050 mg to 248 mg 🐢🐢 2020, Gabapentin each dose 4x/day: Current taper schedule from Aug 30-present: drop 8 mg every 2-3 weeks. Aug 20 31 mg, Aug 18, 33 mg, July 29, 35 mg, July 23 38 mg, July 22 40 mg Jun 24 42 mg, Jun 15 44 mg, Jun 9 48 mg, May 22 50 mg, May 14 54 mg, May 7 56 mg, Apr 16 58 mg, Mar 28 60 mg, Mar 18 62 mg. Feb 26 64 mg. Feb 19, 66 mg. Jan 23, 70 mg. 2019 Dec 19, 72 mg. Nov 14 ,76 mg. Aug 8, 80 mg. Aug 6, 85 mg. Jul 26, 90 mg. Jul 11, 95 mg. Jul 16 trazodone from 100 to 50 mg. Jun 17-July 10 Slowly changed gab fr pill to liquid at same dose 100 mg 4x/d. Apr 24 Stopped klon!!! 🌞 Apr 4 Decreased gaba to 400 mg (100 mg 4x/day)-Apr 4, 2019 0.25 klon March 11 Klonopin .5 mg twice daily, varied dose til Apr 15. Started Klon fast taper 25%, short use Mar 16, 450 mg gaba 3x/day cut 600 mg--not exact!--updose after learning w/d Feb 20, 2019 1800 mg gabapentin; MD taper; off 3 days=mvt disorder & autonomic instability. July 2018 temazepam 15 mg 1-2; prn several x/wk til Jan/Feb 2019 when cold turkey, flu illness for months July 2018 started gabapentin 100 3x/day; titrated up to 1800 mg (600 3x/day) Buspar, I forget how much, 2 pills a day Jan 2017-July 2018 cold turkey *I speak from my experience. Nothing I say is medical advice. I'm not a doctor. Link to post Share on other sites
btdt Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Grace E Jackson she has the goods.. the proof and has a book or two... https://www.amazon.ca/Drug-Induced-Dementia-MD-Grace-Jackson/dp/1438972318 and because for years I only read books about antidepressant recovery ect cause I would have no life without recovery.... this little gem https://www.amazon.ca/Better-Living-Pursuit-Happiness-Prozac/dp/014026521X in this book is described a trial on ADs on medical staff.... one pill I think with a glass of orange juice... sweet little test in its simplicity that may be worth as much as all those tainted drug trials... only after one person started talking about odd effects did other join in saying it must be a side effect I did not think that possible.... well guess what folks neither did we.... the drugs that change things all people thought were impossible to change with a drug... in a nutshell... I know I am signing to the choir and gave up trying to convince anyone else ages ago... been gone a long time think i will be gone a long time again wishing you all peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONGHad a car accident in 85Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which yearWas not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to post Share on other sites
Mentor mstimc Posted December 29, 2019 Mentor Share Posted December 29, 2019 Career Suicide is Overrated by Brian Knowler. A very short book with a limited publication run written by a Canadian aw enforcement officer who dealt with PTSD and depression. A great resource for those who work while dealing with behavioral issues, especially in high-stress jobs. Tim C Started Paxil for GAD in 1999 Unsuccessful taper attempt in 2006 Paxilprogress helped with a successful taper completed in 2009 Using therapy and CBT to manage my anxiety Link to post Share on other sites
Onmyway Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Didn't see these titles here: The Body Keeps The Score by Bassel van der Kolk (trauma healing) Trauma and Recovery by Judith Herman The Brain That Changes Itself by Norman Doidge (neuroplasticity) The Upward Spiral by Alex Korb (behavioral changes that can rewire your brain to get you out of a funk) 1 Aug 2000 - July 2003 (ct, 4-6 wk wd) , citalopram 20 mg , xanax prn, wellbutrin for a few months (don't remember dates), trazodone prn Dec 2004 - July 2018 citalopram 20 mg Aug 2018 - citalopram 40 mg (self titrated up), occasionally did this in difficult times September 2018 - January 2019 tapered citalopram - 40/30/20/10/5 no issues until a week after reaching 0 Feb 2019 0.25 xanax/day, then 0.5/day (3 weeks) over to klonopin 0.25 once a day to manage severe wd March 6, reinstated citalopram 2.5 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 mg for sleep 2-3 times a week Apr 1st 2.0 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 once a week, April 14 , 2019 - citalopram 1.8 mg (liquid), May 8, 2019 - citalopram 1.6 mg (liquid), July 27, 2019 - citalopram 1.5 mg (liquid), August 15, 2019 - citalopram 1.35 (liquid) supplements: melatonin 1 mg Link to post Share on other sites
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted July 11, 2020 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted July 11, 2020 The following books are recommended by the excellent website getselfhelp.co.uk. I've checked some of the reviews and they all look very good. Christian Self Help Books I'm Not Supposed to Feel Like This: A Christian Approach to Depression and Anxiety by Christopher Williams, Paul Richards, Ingrid Whitton A Practical Workbook for the Depressed Christian by John Lockley Don't Forget to Look Up: A Christian's Guide to Overcoming Anxiety and Panic Attacks by Angela K Brittain NEW!!! INTERVIEW with Altostrata, SA's founder NEW!!! REMINDER TO SELF: I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does. Current from 9 Jan 2021: Pristiq 0.405 mg ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering Oct 2015 My tapering program My Intro (goes to my tapering graph) My website PLEASE NOTE: I am not a medical professional. I provide information and make suggestions. Link to post Share on other sites
Katygran Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Hi Read lots of advice re tapering ssris on here and Coming of Andidepressants by Glenmullen is recommended by many. Where can I get a copy of this book in UK or has anyone got a copy for sale on here please Thank you August 2013 depression(A Deppressants prozac 20 mg prozac a day. June 2017 started slow taper down to 15 mg by december2017. Jan 2018 down to 10mg a day. May 2020 chemist changed tabs from Prozac to Fluoxitine 10 mg tabs I x 10mg tab 6 days a week Monday to Saturday = 8.57mg a day. Symptoms stomach ache bloating than fatigue then low mood and anxiety. Link to post Share on other sites
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted July 27, 2020 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted July 27, 2020 @Katygran If you are wanting to taper your drug/s I suggest that you create an Introduction topic and we can assist you. There is a wealth of information on this site about how to do this. Dr Joseph Glenmullen's Withdrawal Symptom List is available here: Dr Joseph Glenmullen's WD Symptoms Checklist This topic has links to many of the useful topics including Tips for Tapering specific drugs: Important topics in the Tapering forum and FAQ The book might be available on Amazon UK, but it looks like it might be expensive. NEW!!! INTERVIEW with Altostrata, SA's founder NEW!!! REMINDER TO SELF: I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does. Current from 9 Jan 2021: Pristiq 0.405 mg ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering Oct 2015 My tapering program My Intro (goes to my tapering graph) My website PLEASE NOTE: I am not a medical professional. I provide information and make suggestions. Link to post Share on other sites
Katygran Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Thank you Chessie cat for your kind reply yes just looked and Coming off Antidepressants is available on Amazon but as you say it is rather expensive. Wondering if anyone has a spare copy I could buy not so expensive Kind regards Kate August 2013 depression(A Deppressants prozac 20 mg prozac a day. June 2017 started slow taper down to 15 mg by december2017. Jan 2018 down to 10mg a day. May 2020 chemist changed tabs from Prozac to Fluoxitine 10 mg tabs I x 10mg tab 6 days a week Monday to Saturday = 8.57mg a day. Symptoms stomach ache bloating than fatigue then low mood and anxiety. Link to post Share on other sites
Administrator Altostrata Posted July 29, 2020 Administrator Share Posted July 29, 2020 Dr. Glenmullen's book is more widely available under the US title "The Antidepressant Solution". Used paperbacks are very inexpensive. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to post Share on other sites
Artistic1 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Dr. Glenmullen's book, "The Anti-Depression Solution" is good, but I think he recommends a taper that is too fast. His information on the side effects is the most useful part of the book. Celexa - 20 mg May 2015 - March 2016 (Felt quite good)..... Celexa taper from May 2016 - Nov 2016.....Depression and Anxiety returned June 2017 July, 2017: Zoloft = 25 mg; Aug. 2017 = 37.5 mg; Nov. 2017 = 50 mg thru Jan. 23, 2018. Jan. 2018 - May 6, 2019 = taper Zoloft from 50 mg to 12.5 mg. Aug. 11, 2019 - felt so bad that I reinstated at 25mg. Hold at this dose until Feb. 3, 2020 Feb. 4, 2020 = reduce dose to 21.875 mg. Hold for 10 weeks. April 14, 2020 = 18.75 mg. Hold for 10 weeks. June10, 2020 - start cycle of 2 weeks to taper slowly from old dose to new dose, then hold at new dose for 6-7 weeks. June 23, 2020 = 16.666 mg.........August 26, 2020 = 14.75 mg ....... October 28, 2020 = 13.15 mg 2021: Jan. 1 = 11.85 mg. Link to post Share on other sites
Katygran Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Hi Read lots of advice re tapering ssris on here and Coming of Andidepressants by Glenmullen is recommended by many. Where can I get a copy of this book in UK or has anyone got a copy for sale on here please Thank you August 2013 depression(A Deppressants prozac 20 mg prozac a day. June 2017 started slow taper down to 15 mg by december2017. Jan 2018 down to 10mg a day. May 2020 chemist changed tabs from Prozac to Fluoxitine 10 mg tabs I x 10mg tab 6 days a week Monday to Saturday = 8.57mg a day. Symptoms stomach ache bloating than fatigue then low mood and anxiety. Link to post Share on other sites
Katygran Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Thank you Artistic 1 coming off antidepressants was recommended so was enquiring if anyone on here had a spare copy I could buy but now learned that the antidepressant solution is the same book . I am trying coming off prozac a bit too fast I think Kind regards kate August 2013 depression(A Deppressants prozac 20 mg prozac a day. June 2017 started slow taper down to 15 mg by december2017. Jan 2018 down to 10mg a day. May 2020 chemist changed tabs from Prozac to Fluoxitine 10 mg tabs I x 10mg tab 6 days a week Monday to Saturday = 8.57mg a day. Symptoms stomach ache bloating than fatigue then low mood and anxiety. Link to post Share on other sites
Administrator Altostrata Posted July 29, 2020 Administrator Share Posted July 29, 2020 Dr. Glenmullen's basic taper is faster than what we recommend here, but he does caution to adjust the schedule to individual tolerance here and there throughout the book. That is why he spends so many pages on withdrawal symptoms. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to post Share on other sites
Mentor ShiningLight Posted September 13, 2020 Mentor Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) Doing Harm: The Truth About How Bad Medicine and Lazy Science Leave Women Dismissed, Misdiagnosed, and Sick by Maya Dusenbery Not directly specific to antidepressants, yet applies. Covers the ridiculous acrobatics we have to do when we see the doctor, and how "medically unexplained" physical ailments are blamed on temperament and psych. Edited September 13, 2020 by ChessieCat added link to Amazon and author's name Now: Gabapentin 12 mg 4x/day =48 mg, 150 mg Zoloft am since 2004, 50 mg Trazodone bedtime. Daily drug burden decreased from 2050 mg to 248 mg 🐢🐢 2020, Gabapentin each dose 4x/day: Current taper schedule from Aug 30-present: drop 8 mg every 2-3 weeks. Aug 20 31 mg, Aug 18, 33 mg, July 29, 35 mg, July 23 38 mg, July 22 40 mg Jun 24 42 mg, Jun 15 44 mg, Jun 9 48 mg, May 22 50 mg, May 14 54 mg, May 7 56 mg, Apr 16 58 mg, Mar 28 60 mg, Mar 18 62 mg. Feb 26 64 mg. Feb 19, 66 mg. Jan 23, 70 mg. 2019 Dec 19, 72 mg. Nov 14 ,76 mg. Aug 8, 80 mg. Aug 6, 85 mg. Jul 26, 90 mg. Jul 11, 95 mg. Jul 16 trazodone from 100 to 50 mg. Jun 17-July 10 Slowly changed gab fr pill to liquid at same dose 100 mg 4x/d. Apr 24 Stopped klon!!! 🌞 Apr 4 Decreased gaba to 400 mg (100 mg 4x/day)-Apr 4, 2019 0.25 klon March 11 Klonopin .5 mg twice daily, varied dose til Apr 15. Started Klon fast taper 25%, short use Mar 16, 450 mg gaba 3x/day cut 600 mg--not exact!--updose after learning w/d Feb 20, 2019 1800 mg gabapentin; MD taper; off 3 days=mvt disorder & autonomic instability. July 2018 temazepam 15 mg 1-2; prn several x/wk til Jan/Feb 2019 when cold turkey, flu illness for months July 2018 started gabapentin 100 3x/day; titrated up to 1800 mg (600 3x/day) Buspar, I forget how much, 2 pills a day Jan 2017-July 2018 cold turkey *I speak from my experience. Nothing I say is medical advice. I'm not a doctor. Link to post Share on other sites
Bruci Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 On 2/12/2013 at 10:32 AM, hippopotamus said: Has anyone ever thought of making a book in which the most important info from sources like this forum about withdrawal is bundled? I think that it could be an excellent help for people who want to withdraw. Any thoughts on this? I have. And here it is seven years later.I have. And here it is seven years later. 1980s: First diagnosed with depression. Treated with a tricyclic. 1988: Switched to Prozac 20 mg after triclyclic stopped working. 1990s to 2010: On and off Prozac. Increased dose led to side effects. 2010: Work stress led to increased depression/anxiety. Tried several SSRIs but tolerated none of them. Put on Zyprexa. 2011: Work burnout and breakdown. Hospitalized for suicidal depression. Switched to Seroquel. Prozac increased to 80 mg. 2017: Started psychotherapy. Helped a lot. Switched to Celexa 40 mg and lithium 300 mg. 2019: Stopped Seroquel. Lost weight. 2020 June: Added Wellbutrin to try and correct sexual dysfunction. Could not tolerate Wellbutrin. Taper (Lithium 300 mg maintained until off Celexa): 2020 July: Decreased Celexa to 30 mg in attempt to alleviate sexual dysfunction. Worked somewhat. 2020 August: Decreased Celexa to 20 mg. Sexual function improved but w/d effects started. 2020 September: Maintaining Celexa at 20 mg. Experiencing w/d effects - fatigue, dysphoria, mood instability 2020 September 13: Increased Celexa to 30 mg due to w/d effects. Still on lithium 300 mg/day. 2020 October 3: Reduced Celexa to 27 mg. Started taper. 10% per month as recommended. 2020 October 18: Reduced to 24 mg. 2020 December 4: Reduced to 21 mg. 2020 December 23: Reduced to 20 mg (spacing out taper intervals due to persistent w/d effects) Link to post Share on other sites
Bruci Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 On 7/28/2016 at 4:06 AM, nz11 said: Well i had Glenmullen's book 'antidepressant solution 'on my shelf for about 2 yrs now and only started reading it today. i guess its just been sitting there cos i thought oh it will just be the same old stuff i have read before. Well i really rec this book. As usual i am turning it into another heavily highlighted book. Im now half way through it. Yes there are a lot of things i have read before but that is totally ok to be reminded again. However im finding some gold im reading some things i had never heard before and will be useful to know so im finding it very informative. Too bad about the unfortunate title though. Sadly Glenmullen like Healy says he prescribes ssris. Gee i really feel disappointed when i read of those admissions. That's why i put Breggin at the number one spot on my heroes list and number two is Brogan. Both these people say 'I don't prescribe'. I wonder if Lucire prescribes? Sometimes prescription is necessary which is why I like Glennmullen and Healy. They are competent psychiatrists who do what is needed. I’m afraid Breggin is too extreme for my taste. I would not send anyone to him for treatment. I’ve seen too many people suffer terribly because of antipsychiatry opposition to all medications. Sometimes meds are called for, especially with schizophrenia. 1980s: First diagnosed with depression. Treated with a tricyclic. 1988: Switched to Prozac 20 mg after triclyclic stopped working. 1990s to 2010: On and off Prozac. Increased dose led to side effects. 2010: Work stress led to increased depression/anxiety. Tried several SSRIs but tolerated none of them. Put on Zyprexa. 2011: Work burnout and breakdown. Hospitalized for suicidal depression. Switched to Seroquel. Prozac increased to 80 mg. 2017: Started psychotherapy. Helped a lot. Switched to Celexa 40 mg and lithium 300 mg. 2019: Stopped Seroquel. Lost weight. 2020 June: Added Wellbutrin to try and correct sexual dysfunction. Could not tolerate Wellbutrin. Taper (Lithium 300 mg maintained until off Celexa): 2020 July: Decreased Celexa to 30 mg in attempt to alleviate sexual dysfunction. Worked somewhat. 2020 August: Decreased Celexa to 20 mg. Sexual function improved but w/d effects started. 2020 September: Maintaining Celexa at 20 mg. Experiencing w/d effects - fatigue, dysphoria, mood instability 2020 September 13: Increased Celexa to 30 mg due to w/d effects. Still on lithium 300 mg/day. 2020 October 3: Reduced Celexa to 27 mg. Started taper. 10% per month as recommended. 2020 October 18: Reduced to 24 mg. 2020 December 4: Reduced to 21 mg. 2020 December 23: Reduced to 20 mg (spacing out taper intervals due to persistent w/d effects) Link to post Share on other sites
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