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Two years ago I was imprisoned, tortured and chemically lobotomized. Psychiatrists convinced me I needed to take neuroleptics or risk brain damage from another psychotic episode. I believed them and I took ziprasidone 160mg for almost two years until I developed tardive dyskenesia. I was switched to Saphris in Feb 2017. Since then I have been tapering from Saphris 5 mg at night. I was tapering 10% every two weeks, which I realize after being on this forum is too fast. Since I started the Saphris I have had a terrible time eating.

My last reduction was a week ago. Two weeks before that I had reduced to 4 mg and I got really sick for two days. Other people at my work had been sick, so I didn't think it was necessarily withdrawal and I reduced again after two weeks. I became unbelievable ill. Even though I have bumped my dose back up I have still been ill.

The mornings are pure hell. When I was in the hospital I was absolutely terrified that I would never get out. I look back at what has happened to me and I realize that I never have. Any hope, encouragement or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I know this is a site for ADs but I noticed there were a few neuroleptics posts. I hope that's ok.

I just really need some help and encouragement that this will get better. The only thing keeping me going is that I usually feel ok by the afternoon. I've lost 30lbs since I started the Saphris and although I have plenty of extra weight to lose from gaining so much on the neuroleptics it is also starting to concern me.

Should I switch drugs and start my taper over again once I find one I can eat on or should I just slow down my taper and hope things get better?

Thank you all so much. It is an inspiration to read stories of people getting off these poisons.

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Zyprexa August 2014- October 2015

Ziprasidone 160mg October 2015 - February 2017-developed tardive dyskenesia

Saphris 5mg February-March 2017

Saphris 4.5mg March 2017

Saphris 4mg April 2017

Saphris 3.5mg April 2017- got way too sick

Saphris 4mg April-present

 

Omega-3 oil, Mother wort tincture for anxiety, vitamin e, vitamin D, probiotics, magnesium

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Hi Genevieve,

 

Welcome to SA.  I'm not familiar with Saphris so I will leave discussion of your drug for the other mods who do know about it.

 

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Welcome Genevieve,

 

I'm glad you found us, yes, we provide information and support for withdrawal and tapering from all psychiatric medications.

 

It would be helpful if you filled in your signature as ChessieCat requested.

 

Saphris, needs to be tapered slowly just like all psych meds. But it sounds like you have been tapering too fast. We suggest reducing by no more than 10% of the current dose every 4 weeks, this reduces the risk of withdrawal symptoms arising. Please read through this which will explain why:

  

Why taper by 10% of my dosage?

 

If I were you I would stop tapering for now and give your nervous system a chance to settle down. When you have stabilized, which might take several weeks, or possibly longer, I would recommend switching to our slower, safer tapering method.

 

I was also unable to eat and lost a lot of weight, but I wasn't taking any medication at the time. My nervous system was disrupted by withdrawal from a drug rather than it being an adverse reaction to being on a drug. Eventually it settled down, I was able to eat more and I have regained the weight, unfortunately, more than I would have liked. So try not to worry, you will recover and will be able to eat again.

 

When the nervous system is unstable, regardless of the cause, appetite problems and weight changes are common.

 

Do you find it easier to eat in the afternoon and evening when your symptoms have reduced? I had no appetite for a long time, but was able to eat later in the day and made sure I was getting at least one or two healthy meals a day.

 

Here is the link to our symptoms and self care section, you may find some useful ideas to help manage symptoms as you wait to stabilize.  Especially read the topics pinned at the top.

 

You might also find this topic helpful: Weight Gain, Weight Loss and Appetite Changes - Symptoms and self ...

 

Please feel free to write whenever you want, you will find a lot of friendly help and support here.

 

Petunia.

I'm not a doctor.  My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one.

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DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms

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Thank you so much Petunia. I plan on waiting until I start feeling better to reduce again. It makes me very hopeful that you regained your appetite.

Zyprexa August 2014- October 2015

Ziprasidone 160mg October 2015 - February 2017-developed tardive dyskenesia

Saphris 5mg February-March 2017

Saphris 4.5mg March 2017

Saphris 4mg April 2017

Saphris 3.5mg April 2017- got way too sick

Saphris 4mg April-present

 

Omega-3 oil, Mother wort tincture for anxiety, vitamin e, vitamin D, probiotics, magnesium

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  • 4 weeks later...

I have stabilized now. I have not vomited for about two weeks and since I started getting acupuncture my nausea is mostly gone. I am going to reduce again this weekend and see how it goes. Wish me luck. Thank you so much for your support and help. The wonderful things is that since I've reduced I've been dreaming again, it's wonderful.

Zyprexa August 2014- October 2015

Ziprasidone 160mg October 2015 - February 2017-developed tardive dyskenesia

Saphris 5mg February-March 2017

Saphris 4.5mg March 2017

Saphris 4mg April 2017

Saphris 3.5mg April 2017- got way too sick

Saphris 4mg April-present

 

Omega-3 oil, Mother wort tincture for anxiety, vitamin e, vitamin D, probiotics, magnesium

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Hi Genevieve, I am glad that you are feeling better. I would hold for few months to let your brain have a break and catch up as Petunia suggested.  You have been tapering quite fast and a good long hold will help you to stabilise properly.   When you are ready, I agree that it will be much better for you to make smaller cuts and avoid the withdrawal symptoms. 

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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That's probably good advice. I just want to get off this poison. I know I need more patience. I should wait for awhile. I probably won't wait for too long. But I'll give it a couple more weeks. I know there is no way to avoid some withdrawals. Thank you.

Zyprexa August 2014- October 2015

Ziprasidone 160mg October 2015 - February 2017-developed tardive dyskenesia

Saphris 5mg February-March 2017

Saphris 4.5mg March 2017

Saphris 4mg April 2017

Saphris 3.5mg April 2017- got way too sick

Saphris 4mg April-present

 

Omega-3 oil, Mother wort tincture for anxiety, vitamin e, vitamin D, probiotics, magnesium

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Welcome Genevieve,

 

I'm glad you found us, yes, we provide information and support for withdrawal and tapering from all psychiatric medications.

 

It would be helpful if you filled in your signature as ChessieCat requested.

 

Saphris, needs to be tapered slowly just like all psych meds. But it sounds like you have been tapering too fast. We suggest reducing by no more than 10% of the current dose every 4 weeks, this reduces the risk of withdrawal symptoms arising. Please read through this which will explain why:

  

Why taper by 10% of my dosage?

 

If I were you I would stop tapering for now and give your nervous system a chance to settle down. When you have stabilized, which might take several weeks, or possibly longer, I would recommend switching to our slower, safer tapering method.

 

I was also unable to eat and lost a lot of weight, but I wasn't taking any medication at the time. My nervous system was disrupted by withdrawal from a drug rather than it being an adverse reaction to being on a drug. Eventually it settled down, I was able to eat more and I have regained the weight, unfortunately, more than I would have liked. So try not to worry, you will recover and will be able to eat again.

 

When the nervous system is unstable, regardless of the cause, appetite problems and weight changes are common.

 

Do you find it easier to eat in the afternoon and evening when your symptoms have reduced? I had no appetite for a long time, but was able to eat later in the day and made sure I was getting at least one or two healthy meals a day.

 

Here is the link to our symptoms and self care section, you may find some useful ideas to help manage symptoms as you wait to stabilize.  Especially read the topics pinned at the top.

 

You might also find this topic helpful: Weight Gain, Weight Loss and Appetite Changes - Symptoms and self ...

 

Please feel free to write whenever you want, you will find a lot of friendly help and support here.

 

Petunia.

Sorry about not replying. Yes. I can eat later in the day and usually not much in the morning. But it has been getting better and I've had a few days where I was able to eat earlier in the day. So that has made me really hopeful. Thank you so much. Take care.

Zyprexa August 2014- October 2015

Ziprasidone 160mg October 2015 - February 2017-developed tardive dyskenesia

Saphris 5mg February-March 2017

Saphris 4.5mg March 2017

Saphris 4mg April 2017

Saphris 3.5mg April 2017- got way too sick

Saphris 4mg April-present

 

Omega-3 oil, Mother wort tincture for anxiety, vitamin e, vitamin D, probiotics, magnesium

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Update: I've reduced again last Saturday and so far I am fine. The nausea is gone. No vomiting.  Accupuncture has been helping with that. I have some anxiety in the mornings when I first wake up but I do a little meditating and that helps and then I feel pretty good for the rest of the day.  Of course my original goal was to be off this poison by August and it looks like it will take much longer so I'm disappointed about that but I'm really happy that I was able to reduce without getting violently ill. Thanks so much for all your support. It was a good idea to wait to reduce, I think that really helped me to not get so sick this time. The last time I reduced and got sick I was ill by Monday, I always reduce on Saturday. Now it's Thursday and I feel pretty good.  I'll hold here for at least a month and see how it goes. Thanks again. 

Zyprexa August 2014- October 2015

Ziprasidone 160mg October 2015 - February 2017-developed tardive dyskenesia

Saphris 5mg February-March 2017

Saphris 4.5mg March 2017

Saphris 4mg April 2017

Saphris 3.5mg April 2017- got way too sick

Saphris 4mg April-present

 

Omega-3 oil, Mother wort tincture for anxiety, vitamin e, vitamin D, probiotics, magnesium

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Genevieve, good to hear that your latest dose reduction is going smoothly.  Two things

  1. Please update your signature with the date you decreased and the new dose. Account Settings – Create or Edit a signature.
     
  2. Your experience getting acupuncture to help with nausea may be helpful for other people.  Would you be willing to get more information from your acupuncture therapist about the treatment and to post those details in our topics on
    Acupuncture, and
    What to do for dizziness, queasiness, and nausea

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.
1997-1999 Effexor; 2002-2005 Effexor XR 37.5 mg linear taper, dropping same #beads/week with bad results

Cymbalta 60 mg 2012 - 2015; 2016: 20 mg to 7 mg exact doses and dates in this post; 2017: 6.3 mg to  0.0 mg  Aug. 12; details here


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Online spreadsheet for dose taper calculations and nz11's THE WORKS spreadsheet

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