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FleeingFluoxetine: Trying to get off Prozac

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Altostrata

Hello, Fleeing.

 

We haven't heard from you in a long time, we might have been able to help you with the Prozac taper.

 

Yes, you can still have withdrawal syndrome even though you're taking another drug or drug cocktail. Weeping is a common withdrawal symptom.

 

As this is a site for going off drugs, we don't advise on med combos for "diurnal depression" or any other condition. That's up to your doctor. Most likely, you are being over-medicated for withdrawal syndrome, not "diurnal depression."

 

See

 

Waking with panic or anxiety -- managing cortisol spikes

 

Neuro-emotions

 

Deep emotional pain and crying spells, spontaneous weeping

 

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Tarheel109

I don’t have much to add, but I want to say that reading your posts has been very inspiring to me. You should be proud of how far you’ve come. I’m sorry that you’re experiencing anguish and hope that it subsides soon.

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FleeingFluoxetine

Hey Tarheel. Thanks for your kind words. 

 

I realize now it was silly to ask for med cocktails here. I apologize. I don’t know what I was thinking. :(

 

Diurnal depression is a well-known phenomenon, though. https://www.goodtherapy.org/learn-about-therapy/issues/diurnal-mood-variation

 

I don’t know if I’ll try to get off the meds again any time soon. I couldn’t take ten months of pacing and agoraphobia and crying spells. I’ve only just started to live my life again. I know that’s not what people want to hear but I was so exhausted emotionally that I had to tap out. 

 

Maybe I should change my nickname to Chugging Cipralex.  

 

FleeingFluoxetine

 

 

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Altostrata

Whatever diurnal depression might be, you might not have it. There's also the issue of psychiatry coining new psychiatric diagnoses all the time for iatrogenic symptoms. However, if you want to go that route, see where it takes you.

 

Having worse symptoms in the early part of the day is classic for withdrawal syndrome, because of the early-morning cortisol surge.

 

PS The effect of the early-morning cortisol surge, which is amplified by the neurological sensitization caused by going on and off psychiatric drugs, may be reduced with installation of blackout curtains, shades, and use of a sleep mask. It is triggered by sunrise. The drawback is there's no profit for psychiatrists or drug companies in this kind of treatment.

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FleeingFluoxetine

I’ve worn a sleep mask and used black out curtains for years, but I still wake up feeling so depressed that I don’t want to be here. It got so bad that I went back on another SSRI. :(

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Altostrata

Not sure what we can do for you here. If you feel you need your drugs, stay on them.

 

It's possible your symptoms are caused by drugs, please research their side effects via Dr. Google. Drugs.com is a good source.

 

We don't offer treatment for any kind of depression here, other than recommend non-drug means. You might try face-to-face counseling to explore potential situational or historical causes of your depression.

 

See

 

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

 

Health anxiety, hypochondria, and obsession with symptoms

 

Dealing With Emotional Spirals

 

 

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Greenriver
On 5/16/2018 at 10:53 PM, FleeingFluoxetine said:

Seroquel

I can relate to your story.  I’ve currently reduced to 4mg and I’m thinking of going back on a higher dose of something - not necessarily Prozac though.  

 

I think for some people withdrawals are easier - if you have a support network: friends a partner etc. I’m just emotionally wide open and raw at the moment. As your Doctor said to, it is no way to live. I honestly cannot handle reality anymore - I think existence is pure evil.  That’s not withdrawal. 

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FleeingFluoxetine

I wouldn't say that existence itself is evil, but medications can definitely change the way you interpret reality. Once the withdrawal eases off things will start to feel better and live won't seem so evil. Hang in there. :)

 

fleeing

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FleeingFluoxetine

Hey, everyone. I’m debating dropping my Cipralex from 15 mg to 12.5 mg to hopefully get rid of or reduce the diarrhea side effect I’m having. I was wondering if I’ll get withdrawal effects from doing this. I know everyone responds differently to meds but maybe people out there have some suggestions? I was fine on 15 mg of Prozac last year but my world fell apart when I dropped to 10 mg and I’m trying to avoid that. 

 

Cheers, 

 

fleeing fluoxetine 

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Altostrata

Please add questions about your drug tapering to this topic. Please update your signature with the date you switched from Prozac to Cipralex.

 

If you've been taking Cipralex for more than a month, any decrease in dosage may cause withdrawal symptoms. We recommend a 10% decrease to minimize this risk. That would be a decrease from 15mg to 13.5mg Cipralex for you. See Tips for tapering off Lexapro (escitalopram)

 

When did the diarrhea start? When did you make the switch from Prozac to Cipralex? How did you accomplish this switch?

 

What time of day do you take each of your drugs, and at what dosage? Please put ALL your drugs in the Drug Interactions Checker https://www.drugs.com/drug_interactions.php
and copy and paste the results in this topic.

 

Have you discussed Cipralex side effects with your doctor? What advice did you get?

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FleeingFluoxetine

Okay, I’ve updated the date of the Cipralex. I didn’t do anything special to switch, I just stopped taking the Prozac and started taking the Cipralex. 

 

I’ve been taking it for more than a month but I don’t know how to measure a single milligram of a tablet unless I get it compounded. I think going from 15 to 12.5 would be okay because I can always restart the Cipralex. I’m not trying to get off it right now. 

 

There’s apparently a heart arrhythmia side effect from combining Cipralex and Seroquel. For some reason I wasn’t told of this but I seem to be fine after being on Cipralex for four months, though sometimes I feel like I’ve been punched in the mouth because my gums hurt. I haven’t had my teeth cleaned in 18 months, though, but the sore gums started around the same time I started the Cipralex. 

 

I take the 15 mg of Cipralex in the evenings. I was taking it when I would wake up at six but then I would go back to bed. When I got up at 9 I would feel terribly bleak and unmotivated. My doctor hypothesized that it was sedating me, so I started taking it at bedtime and I feel like my old self again. 

 

The diarrhea has plagued me for twenty years. It was awful on 80 mg of Prozac as a teenager but my doctor told me I needed to be on it for the rest of my life and then left town. It brought with it a bunch of other side effects that I thought were part of my personality. When I realized the Prozac was the cause of them three years ago I started trying to get myself off. Then I learned about drug withdrawal and that’s what landed me here. The Cipralex causes diarrhea still but it’s not nearly as bad as the Prozac. I’m hoping that a lower dose will reduce the diarrhea enough for me to do things I haven’t done in twenty years, like go on hikes and do things outside where there aren’t any toilets. 

 

Some people dream of power and millions of dollars. I just want control over my bowels so I can be like everyone else. 

 

-fleeing

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FleeingFluoxetine

Are my anxiety symptoms waves or are they just me?

 

Hey, everyone. I'm wondering if the waves of anxiety I'm getting around death/dying are withdrawal waves or if they're just me. Note that I'm not in any way wanting to hurt myself.

 

Since I started coming off the Prozac last year, I get these moments where I fear that either I'm going to die or that I won't be able to handle my  parents' inevitable death. As I type this, I'm fine with it. I accept it as a normal part of life and all is well. But I get moments where I can't shake the fear of it all, and then it's suddenly gone. It happened yesterday. I was working and found it really hard to think of anything else, so I went to the gym. I tried to keep the thoughts from my mind and exercise, and then in one moment it was suddenly gone and I was my old self again. It came back in the evening, then suddenly it was gone again.

 

The worst was a few days ago when I woke up and felt this weird pressure behind my eyes and had all of these horrible thoughts about it all. I don't feel like I was even thinking about it. I felt like it was being put upon me by some outside force.

 

Do these sound like withdrawal waves? Right now I'm perfectly happy and all is well. I'm just tired of the rollercoaster.

 

- Fleeing Fluoxetine

 

Edited by ChessieCat
added topic title to post before moving to Intro topic

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bluepm

Sounds like like  your brain  is healing  

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Jakebob

I have quite similar thoughts since I came off Paroxetine three months ago. I feel alright and then suddenly comes this intense fear about my own death. Never felt something like that when I was on Paro.

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FleeingFluoxetine

Hey, everyone. Thanks for the support and thanks to Gridley for the link. That describes it perfectly. Neuro-fear. I’m mostly fine and life is good, then wham! I’m terrified. I thought it had to be the meds. I’m so glad I’m right. 

 

This website is a life saver. :)

 

Fleeing

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FleeingFluoxetine

Hey, everyone. I thought I’d post an update. I’ll update my profile when I have my laptop again. 

 

I’m currently at 2.5 mg of Cipralex and going to ask my doctor about dropping it to zero when I see her next week. The Prozac has been out of my blood for a year now and it’s taken all the anxiety it’s caused with it. 

 

What’s been interesting is that I’ve kearned that the more Cipralex I take, the sadder I become. When my doctor put me on 20 mg of Cipralex to get me off of the Prozac, all of my favorite television shows, movies, and songs we’re making me cry. It was super weird. I thought maybe that’s who I was without the Prozac. But every time I lower the Cipralex I feel stronger, less anxious, and less depressed. I even showed my doctor a scene from Wonder Woman that had me fighting back tears on 20 mg, but on 2.5 I’m almost completely dry-eyed. I think when I get back to zero I’ll be fine. Has anyone else experienced anything like this?

 

I still get these weird waves of fatigue and depression at about 7 pm every night. They last about twenty minutes and then they’re gone. But they’re becoming much less significant the less of the Cipralex I take. Can anyone else speak to this?

 

fleeing fluoxetine 

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ChessieCat
18 minutes ago, FleeingFluoxetine said:

I’m currently at 2.5 mg of Cipralex and going to ask my doctor about dropping it to zero

 

Q:  Are you considering jumping off from 2.5mg Cipralex?

 

If yes, I strongly caution you against doing so.  If you are feeling reasonable now, why risk upsetting things and making things worse?  When to end the taper and jump to zero?

 

The thing to realise is that we might feel that we don't need the drug any more.  But it's not about us, it's about what the brain needs.

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Carmie

Hi FF, 

 

Please don’t jump off at 2.5mg as you might regret it. You might think it’s a low dose, but it really isn’t. Off course, you have to make your own decision, but if I were you I wouldn’t do it. I won’t be jumping off until I’m down to 0.0something. Some people have jumped off at doses they thought were low and had withdrawals for a long time afterwards. 

 

Slow and steady is the way to go. Please stay safe💚

 

 

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JackieDecides
8 hours ago, FleeingFluoxetine said:

I’m currently at 2.5 mg of Cipralex and going to ask my doctor about dropping it to zero when I see her next week.

 

hello, FF, I don't know anything about Cipralex and i haven't ready your whole thread but I wanted to caution you as the mods posted above.

 

I went off 2.5 mg of lexapro because I thought the dose was so low that probably hardly anything would happen and I had significant withdrawal. 

 

good luck with whatever you decide! 

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FleeingFluoxetine

Hey, everyone. Thanks for the replies. 

 

I’m considering the jump because I want to regain my evenings. I don’t really go out at night anymore because of the waves of depression/fatigue that I’m sure are caused by the Cipralex. It’s very likely that I could end up in withdrawal hell if I just jump completely, though. I felt better and better reducing the Prozac until I got below 15 mg, which is when I fell apart. Or I could keep easing down. I guess I’d have to have the drug compounded or get a liquid version. I’m way below the therapeutic dose though, which is why I think I’d be okay. I really just want my evenings back.  

 

Fleeing

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ChessieCat
3 hours ago, FleeingFluoxetine said:

I’m way below the therapeutic dose though

 

"Therapeutic dose" is an arbitrary term* that the pharmaceutical companies use (think $$$$$) and the pharma reps are the ones who provide the information to the doctors.  SA prefers to use the term "lowest effective dose".

 

I completely understand how you feel.  Just before Christmas I was considering jumping off from 5mg.  Then I started thinking about all the members who have had issues since I joined SA over 3 years ago.  The trouble is we think that we don't need the drug, and we forget that the brain needs the drug.

 

From Post #1 of the Reinstatement topic (Altostrata made the font large and red, not me):

 

On 10/9/2012 at 10:17 AM, Altostrata said:

Don't suddenly go off medication assuming that reinstatement is a safety net. This is one of the reasons we advocate gradual tapering to minimize withdrawal symptoms. Once the nervous system is destabilized by withdrawal, all bets are off. Humpty Dumpty has fallen off the wall.  (Humpty Dumpty is a character in a children's nursery rhyme - he is an egg.)

 

Reinstatement does not always work, and you may have to live with severe withdrawal syndrome for a long while. Medicine wants to believe the acute phase of withdrawal lasts only a few weeks. From what people have posted on the Web, it can last many months.

 

 

based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.

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FleeingFluoxetine

I hadn’t thought about reinstatement failing. I think I’ll have my dose compounded. 

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ChessieCat

Phew!  Glad to hear it.

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Carmie

Hi FF,

 

Just checking in to see how you’re doing. Did you end up getting a compounding or liquid formula? I hope you continued with your decision not to jump off at 2.5mg of Cipralex, and you’re tapering down instead. Take care💚

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